SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted November 17 (edited) Hello all, I have edited the template @ICDP created with my unworthy Photoshop skills 😁. "I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy, I'm scum" - Waynes World. Change Log: Edited National Insignia's (star and bars are now white). Added stainless steel areas. Added dark aluminum areas. Added painted aluminum lacquer areas. Added filled in panel lines. Adjusted the aluminum skin color and shine. Further adjustment on aluminum and stainless steel for a more convincing appearance. (blue Fresnel effects like real aluminum, I stare at aluminum all day). Corrected my Alpha Channel .psd National insignia's. Added Serial Number Guide boxes for positioning. Added USAAF Number Stencils that you can cut and assemble. Adjusted all colors. Corrected starboard sided aileron control cable shrouds paint. Many, many refinements for texture, color and glossiness Added editable Manufacturing Data Plate in both the Diffuse and Alpha .PSD's. SEE MY RESOURCE THREAD HERE FOR PICTURES: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/55836-reference-p-51d-metals-wing-filler-and-hamilton-standard-logo/?tab=comments#comment-849862 see if you can spot all the stuff I just mentioned! (click image for full resolution of example skin, update December 04, 2019) DOWNLOAD: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k3XE2dAxm7rSPi7RChJtLg41zyrmNIYb/view?usp=sharing ENJOY! Edited December 9 by SOLIDKREATE description, resource thread 3 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorattacker 1457 Posted November 17 Sweet lookin' Lt. Col.! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
361st_Hoss 185 Posted November 17 376th Fighter Squadron would be E9-S................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted November 17 19 minutes ago, 361st_Hoss said: 376th Fighter Squadron would be E9-S................... Corrected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megalax 178 Posted November 18 Now I have to redo my Mustang skins. Oh well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted November 18 No you don't buddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rjel 1239 Posted November 18 I get this message below when trying to open the template. When I okay the program to discard this layer, it then tells me CS2 isn't compatible. Any ideas? The Alpha does open up as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rjel 1239 Posted November 19 43 minutes ago, SOLIDKREATE said: I can save it as a CS2 file. This was saved in CC2019. That would be great. I appreciate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted November 19 38 minutes ago, Rjel said: That would be great. I appreciate it. It appears they have removed that feature. You cannot 'Save as' an older version. And since these files are way over 2GB, you couldn't do it even if you wanted too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rjel 1239 Posted November 19 6 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said: It appears they have removed that feature. You cannot 'Save as' an older version. And since these files are way over 2GB, you couldn't do it even if you wanted too. NP. I appreciate your effort. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted November 20 (edited) Guys I have to update this. I missed the two aileron control shrouds on the starboard wing. They are still chromed and not matte aluminum lacquer. I'll be uploading tonight and making a comment to let you all know it is done. I also need to all WX (weathering) the parts like the Bendix antenna, bomb racks, ect. They are colored but not weathered. And I need to update the normal map too. Edited November 20 by SOLIDKREATE 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rjel 1239 Posted November 27 Just for the heck of it, I DL'd this newer version of your template. I was able to open it with CS2. Not sure what the issue was before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted November 28 Post #1 added historical images of the factory planes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted December 4 Added more historical reference images to post #1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted December 5 (edited) Hard at work getting in that "detail". I forgot, and I'm sure many other skinners, the serial is in the stencil as well. It's the factory card just above the forward wing root. I'll be adding a "typeable" area where the serial would be entered. CLICK IMAGE FOR FULL DETAIL Edited December 5 by SOLIDKREATE 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted December 5 (edited) Just a few tweaks and she'll be ready. I think this plane looks more the part of a WWII P-51D. Just check my photos above this post. Edited December 5 by SOLIDKREATE 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCG_Pips 955 Posted December 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said: Hard at work getting in that "detail". I forgot, and I'm sure many other skinners, the serial is in the stencil as well. It's the factory card just above the forward wing root. I'll be adding a "typeable" area where the serial would be entered. CLICK IMAGE FOR FULL DETAIL Speficiation Proj. number is not the same depending of period and type of plane version. On my skins, you can see different numbers...😉 Edited December 5 by CCG_Pips Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PatCartier 1893 Posted December 5 Looks pretty nice IMO, thx. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted December 5 13 minutes ago, CCG_Pips said: Speficiation Proj. number is not the same depending of period and type of plane version. On my skins, you can see different numbers...😉 It's just there for this image. The whole manufacturing stencil is now editable text on both the Alpha and the Paint file. 😉 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCG_Pips 955 Posted December 5 Yes Solidkreate !!! the only big difficulty is to find the good document for each plane and report the right Speficication project number, depending of period of fabrication/ factory and type of the plane. Regarding serial number it is much more easy. And many thanks for your outstanding work helping all skinners!!!😉 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted December 5 (edited) On 12/4/2019 at 11:09 PM, CCG_Pips said: Yes Solidkreate !!! the only big difficulty is to find the good document for each plane and report the right Speficication project number, depending of period of fabrication/ factory and type of the plane. Regarding serial number it is much more easy. And many thanks for your outstanding work helping all skinners!!!😉 The one I used was from a 15 block I believe. I found a good close up of the factory stencil. I'll have to look at it again. I was in a hurry just to get the editable text section on there so I can see how it looked. Look what I found brother!: http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/production Edited December 6 by SOLIDKREATE 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCG_Pips 955 Posted December 5 (edited) Well done brother !!!!😄 Just to say that construction number, does not appear on the factory Stencil blocks....it is the specification project number. Please compare the picture here below And you will see that plane is a P-51D-25-NA (plane in the game is a P-51D-15-NA) and serial number is correct with your document ( planes sent unassembled from Inglewood california factory to Australia), but construction number does not appear on Factory stencil. It is only the ARMY AIR FORCE SPECIFICATION NUMBER. Anyway, your job is a great help and we will have all necessary documents for the serial numbers!!!😉 Edited December 5 by CCG_Pips 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rjel 1239 Posted December 5 10 hours ago, CCG_Pips said: Speficiation Proj. number is not the same depending of period and type of plane version. On my skins, you can see different numbers...😉 Dammit.....I was hoping to use that a while longer before others discovered it. 😉 I asked a few months ago if anyone knew if that number is consistent throughout that production block or if it changes with the serial number sequence. I've searched all my books and did numerous web searches without really finding the answer. Do you know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCG_Pips 955 Posted December 5 (edited) Myself and friends made research without success. The specification number depended of the US ARMY AIR FORCE DEPARTMENT and most probably, details exist somewhere .... For sure, that number change from aircraft type and factory, but seems it follow serial numbers. My ONLY source are decal sheets from AEROMASTER and Carl Molesworth work and each plane I made for "BLUE DIAMONDS" or "IWO JIMA" follows the numbers I found there. But then, if I does not have that source, the only way is to find a close serial number and apply same Specification number......(with some possible mistake). Anyway, this is just a detail on a skin 😉 Sorry for my bad English !!!😓 Edited December 5 by CCG_Pips 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rjel 1239 Posted December 6 7 hours ago, CCG_Pips said: Myself and friends made research without success. The specification number depended of the US ARMY AIR FORCE DEPARTMENT and most probably, details exist somewhere .... For sure, that number change from aircraft type and factory, but seems it follow serial numbers. My ONLY source are decal sheets from AEROMASTER and Carl Molesworth work and each plane I made for "BLUE DIAMONDS" or "IWO JIMA" follows the numbers I found there. But then, if I does not have that source, the only way is to find a close serial number and apply same Specification number......(with some possible mistake). Anyway, this is just a detail on a skin 😉 Sorry for my bad English !!!😓 I'm glad to know someone else is looking for the information too. Maybe we'll stumble onto it. You English is fine. No worries. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted December 6 (edited) AI'm going to cross reference these with the webpage I posted earlier. The ones that are not confirmed came from photos of museum birds or privately owned birds. P-51D-5 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92951-R - 44-72739 ??? POSSIBLE D-25 due to serial number P-51D-5 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92797-N - 44-13014 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO P-51D-5 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92798-R - 44-11622 P-51D-5 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 41037-TF - 44-74497 ??? POSSIBLE D-25 due to serial number P-51D-10 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92778-N - 44-14419 P-51D-10 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 32792-N - 44-14937 P-51D-15 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 32782-M P-51D-15 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92549-R - 44-63363 ??? not convinced P-51D-15 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 90936-R - 44-15131 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO P-51D-25 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92778-N - 44-63272 ??? not convinced P-51D-20 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 90674-N - 44-63675 P-51D-20 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92948-R - 44-72216 P-51D-20 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92948-R - 44-72260 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO P-51D-25 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 90387-N - 44-83341 P-51D-25 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 96997-N - 44-72890 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO P-51D-20 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92917-R - 44-63632 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO P-51D-20 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92917-R - 44-63694 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO P-51D-20 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 9691?-N-IRON - 44-11622 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO P-51D-25 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 93015 - 44-73420 P-51D-25 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 90388-N - 44-74009 P-51D-25 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 39015-R - 44-73264 P-51D-25 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 172782-N - 44-73304 P-51D-30 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92543-R - 44-73945 P-51K-40 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 96998-R - 44-12016 Edited December 6 by SOLIDKREATE 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rjel 1239 Posted December 6 (edited) I may have found some info in this book. At least one of the cover pages mentions "project numbers" along with contract numbers and the like. There is a ton of statistical information about the USAAF in WWII regardless. https://ia802505.us.archive.org/5/items/ArmyAirForcesStatisticalDigestWorldWarII/ArmyAirForcesStatisticalDigestWorldWarII.pdf P-51D-20 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92917-R - 44-63632 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO P-51D-20 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92917-R - 44-63694 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO So then, do you think the Spec. Proj. No. relates to certain serial blocks? Edited December 6 by Rjel 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted December 6 (edited) This range of serials from the Inglewood plant match with No.9 bullet in my list above. P-51D-15-NA NA-109 109-28486 109-28885 44-14853 44-15252 400 This one from No.15 above in my list to AUS for PTO P-51D-25NA NA-122 122-39086 122-40085 44-72627 44-73626 1000 and this one from No.16 and 17 above, sent to AUS for PTO. P-51D-20NA NA-122 122-30886 122-31885 44-63160 44-64159 1000 Edited December 6 by SOLIDKREATE 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCG_Pips 955 Posted December 6 (edited) You are right both Rjel and SOLIDKREATE. Specification porject numbers are related to ordered contracts between Department of US ARMY AIR FORCE, North American constructor and various factories (such as Inglewood CA) So, it is may be related to serial numbers blocks, period of consttruction and factories. Each time, Department of US ARMY AIR FORCE, ordered a quantoty of planes to a factory, a new contract was engaged.....and so on, a new number edited.....but reading documents show that it is not certain. examples: (Rjel) P-51D-20 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92917-R - 44-63632 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO P-51D-20 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92917-R - 44-63694 - CONFIRMED.HIST.PHOTO but P-51D-10 = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 32792-N - 44-14937 is also related to serial number 44-72518 (????) Ok, now, I need some aspirin tablet !!!😄 FOR SURE, direct documents are still in the Department of US ARMY AIR FORCE in Washington (?) they have archives and if this informations are not "classified"...it is, may be, possible to get them...😉 Edited December 6 by CCG_Pips Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pierre64 577 Posted December 6 Hi all, do you know what means the « + » frequently seen beside this factory stencil ? (And also on some P-38s and P-47s). Related to fuel load ? Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCG_Pips 955 Posted December 6 Hello Pierre , No, I do not know (not made research on that point, frankly speaking) ...it is not shown on all aircraft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rjel 1239 Posted December 6 Here's another Mustang picture that's confused me for quite some time. The data block says it's a -15 model but yet the serial number falls clearly into a -5 model run. The serial number matches the P-51D assigned to Goodson and is the same as the plane he was shot down in on 06/20/1944. The serial number is stenciled oddly which has made me wonder if it was a doctored photo possibly taken after the war. It's been published numerous times so I'd guess it legit and an oddity that can't be explained. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pierre64 577 Posted December 6 2 hours ago, Pierre64 said: Hi all, do you know what means the « + » frequently seen beside this factory stencil ? (And also on some P-38s and P-47s). Related to fuel load ? Thanks. Answer maybe found in P-51-D-5 pilot's flight operating instructions : "All airplanes equipped with 85 gallon fuselage fuel tanks may be identified by a white plus (+) sign painted below the serial number on the left hand side of the fuselage." (Actually, not really a white cross on my examples…). End of the off-topic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCG_Pips 955 Posted December 6 Many thanks @Pierre64................Great !!!😉 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted December 6 (edited) Yeah I am thinking the Project Numbers are actually contract numbers between the Army and the Supplier. I also believe as you do that they apply to specific serial blocks. We do the same thing where I work. I know you spotted a serial that applies to -5 on a -15. Sometimes these things happen where they have an unused non-allocated number that the have to use and the customer ordered an older model to replace an original. So those get applied to future "demand". The -15 you say could also be a retrofit as well. We also retrofit aircraft where I work. This kind of thing is a large part of what I do for a living. But please keep searching and posting. I bet we can create a database of some sorts. At least we have one serial number block confirmed for the -15's. Edited December 6 by SOLIDKREATE 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rjel 1239 Posted December 7 (edited) P-51D-5-NA = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92700-R s/n 44-13322 P-51D-5-NA = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92701-R s/n 44-13411 P-51D-10-NA = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92790-N s/n 44-14327 P-51D-20-NA = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92948-R s/n 44-72181 P-51D-20-NA = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92948-R s/n 44-72327 Edited December 7 by Rjel 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted December 8 !!!! UPDATE COMPLETED !!!! DOWNLOAD IN POST #1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCG_Pips 955 Posted December 8 COOL COOOL COOL COOL 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WWGreyWolfe 29 Posted December 8 Just some info for those who need it, the + next to the data on the port side aft of the engine cowling is the CG location on that specific P-51D. all AC are weight and balance with the equipment on board except fuel. Salute GreyWolfe 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOLIDKREATE 1920 Posted December 8 I just sent this to the two people who I am working with on building a data base in Google Docs. Once we get enough in there, I will publish it to the community for 'Read Only' access. I think I had a "happy accident"! 😁 P-51D-5-NA = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92700-R s/n 44-13322 P-51D-5-NA = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92701-R s/n 44-13411 P-51D-10-NA = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92790-N s/n 44-14327 P-51D-20-NA = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92948-R s/n 44-72181 P-51D-20-NA = AAF. SPEC. PROJ. NO. 92948-R s/n 44-72327 Based off the first two I think I found a 'Primer'. EXAMPLE of S/N break-down correlated to AFF SPEC. PROJ. NO.: 44 13 322 ^ ^ ^ YEAR BLOCK ASSY LINE POSITION. A/C NO. THAT WAS BUILT So, 92700 = 300 series block of aircraft 300 - 399 on ASSY POS 13 and 92701 = 400 series block of aircraft 400 - 499 and 92702 = 500 series block of aircraft 500 - 599 and 92703 = 600 series block of aircraft 600 - 699, ect... and 92790 = 300 series block or aircraft 300 - 399 on ASSY POS 14 so 92791 = 400 series block of aircraft 400 - 499 on ASSY POS 14 - should be this, need more data. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
