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@Novice-Flyer 1941 to 1944.  1940 was incorrect as we do not have the planes.

 

Think about how well that plane set and that map would mesh with what we have.  I'm not talking BoB.  I'm talking Channel Front with Spitfire vs Me109F and early FW190s.  Introduction of the Americans flying the P47.  Later introduction of the P51.  British tactical operations with the Beaufighter and Mosquito.  If they manage to make medium bombers flyable maybe a flyable B26.  There was plenty of cross channel action.  It wasn't all strategic.

 

Anyhow, I buy everything they sell.  Just got into tank crew yesterday after owning it for quite some time.  I'll definitely get my money's worth out of it just as I have everything else from 1C.  If the next theater is Pacific I'll buy it.  If it's Italy I'll buy it.  I still haven't even scratched the surface of the things that I have bought  ( have yet to look through a bomb sight) and I still feel like I have gotten very good value for my dollar.

 

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1 hour ago, Novice-Flyer said:

because the game engine can't handle large formations of aircraft

Hopefully this won't last long.

 

1 hour ago, Novice-Flyer said:

plus there may be more than 10 planes that you have to include as flyables

Why sticking to 10 plane formula?

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2 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

The reason is because Team Fusion Simulations are covering those areas for IL-2 Cliffs of Dover.


Team Fusion is doing North Africa for now, and it's not done yet, who knows how much more time it will take, and at least in the immediate future after that they would cover Malta / Channel 1942 afaik... But you just keep adding theaters BoX "isn't allowed to do" even if they are nowhere near to be developed let alone released by TFS. For Battle of France and Malta it made sense, but D-Day and Italy mid-late 1943 is stretching it, you are trying to pass your personal wishlist of theaters for CloD as true fact.

We all know you really like CloD, no one is going to take it away, it's going to remain the only Battle of Britain/early-mid war Channel and North Africa modern sim for quite some time at least, but please stop with all this "don't talk about X European theater since it will be done in CloD 12.0". In less than a week you already posted about this like 4 or 5 times, we got it the first time or two.

I think BoX is going Pacific next, and for a couple dev cycles at least, so there is plenty of chance of TFS getting all of the above, but i'm tired of reading your constant "no, it's better to leave it to TFS" remarks.

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If PTO is next despite being my favourite theatre i'd like them to go back to Europe (Italy, BoB, Normandy) after two PTO battles (Midway, Solomons or Okinawa).

Variety is VERY important, for players and developer business!

Going from russian fronts to BoBp is very refreshing so as PTO and Med will be.

 

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3 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

Guys,

 

This stupid to argue over. No matter what we do, some will like and some will not.

 

Jason

 

NO JASON, the only thing that matters is IF I like it. Let's not care about anyone else. 😁

 

Seriously, the icon thing is a red herring. They stated they are working on the Pacific. It will come when it is ready. Regardless what they release, 80% will probably buy in on early release if not more. If you enjoy flight combat sims and you love WWII history, then there isn't going to be a scenario they release that won't interest you. Perhaps some more than others, but you WILL be interested in it. 

 

Again, I started off with Rise of Flight, bought the wrong rig (long story) could not play it, then got a good one, now can play it. I bought IL2 content and participating in the board. Why can't I speculate? I am new. let me have my fun! No one is forcing you to read this thread. You have a choice, so exercise it. 

 

Personally, I would love the Pacific and sooner rather than later, but I also want a polish game. If they ain't ready yet, then I find waiting. I am cool with France 1940s, Italian Campaign, Sino-Japanese war, or really any other campaign. 

 

The only thing is, the site is going to have find something else to represent the games in the postbit. If you own all of the games, some members will start to look like North Korean Generals. I mean one sentence posts would have huge wasted space. 

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9 hours ago, Mac_Messer said:

I know we all have our dream scenarios for this game but the raids thing, ain`t happening. I`d be upset if devs made the planes, then gave me a bombing run of a whole 12 planes to shoot at.

 

Now if I had to defend a shipyard from a flock of B26/P38 escorted by P47/P51, preferably in South Italy - I`m all for it.

 

Surely the devs can create AI a/c models similar to how they've done it in DCS. Yes its not flyable but the air war in the WTO did revolve around massed air raids from 43 to 45. 

 

A France map would cover a heck of a lot of this and would potentially be usable for WW1 scenarios as well you'd think. Look, I don't know - I'm throwing stuff out there just like everyone else. Just saying you have to go somewhere after BoBP (which is going to be difficult I know because they've given us most of the best late war fighters). Would be good to get some sort of indication where they're heading. Put us out of our misery! lol

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1 minute ago, [ASOR]Pharoah said:

Just saying you have to go somewhere after BoBP (which is going to be difficult I know because they've given us most of the best late war fighters). Would be good to get some sort of indication where they're heading. Put us out of our misery! lol

 

 

I'm sure you'e a nice guy...but you're also this guy...

 

 

10 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

They wouldn’t freak out.

You could put an actual Zero model in the editor and people would still be speculating here about Spanish Civil War, Malta or Battle of Helm’s Deep.

 

 

 

If it's not PTO (and acknowledge that's an outside possibility) then it's in spite of some HUGE indications.

 

1. Jason huge PTO fan

2. Jason announcing PTO

3. Jason stating PTO is "DELAYED NOT CANCELLED", using BobP time to get ducks in a row with regard to PTO

4 . PTO sub-forum still up on front page of the forum (Maybe 1C just wants that left there to mess with us)

5. Japanese flag in QMB

6. Japanese nationality in Mission Editor.

 

Can it still be another theater? Sure...I'd be a dummy to claim otherwise. Now would that would be extremely surprising given the above? Yes it should be.

At the very least these items should quell some of the random speculation, then if it's not PTO some of the above items, especially 5 and 6 are huge head scratchers to say the least.

 

If it's not PTO then I want a Mosquito.

Actually I want both.

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I actually wouldn't mind Pacific at all, would be fine with Western Europe, Italy, or pretty much anything WW2 :)

 

The thing that I think is causing me doubt about the Pacific (sorry Gambit, I know it seems to upset you (and I truly wouldn't mind Pacific at all, that I promise))  is that Jason initially said that Pacific would be postponed with one of the major reasons being lack of accurate data/access to regarding Japanese aircraft to build any to their standards. But when he comes back again this September (post already quoted in this thread for other reasons - people can go back and have a look through his entire statement or find the original thread it was from) and posts in the midst of yet another lively discussion of next theater that there are some planes that they can never do because they don't have the proper data to do it up to their standards  -- if that re-iteration was subtly referring to Japanese aircraft (which I think it very much could have been), then we may not see the Pacific at all. Yes, i know about the icons (one claimed to be a joke and the others in the game for years), and the editor selection choice (this latter being the most compelling support of Pacific (was this actually newly put in place or was it sitting there for a while, btw? ) and I will give you that - but I am not sure it is a slam dunk like you think it may be...and there is certainly room for doubt in my opinion (and I know you have yours) It's all good :) 

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Nobody should get overly sold on one idea or theatre until we find out what the team is doing next. Every time I've been certain of something I have reason to doubt and I move on to the next idea. Getting too hung up will just lead to disappointment by a few. I, like many of you, will happily fly anything from WWII. Actually I'll fly anything with wings but for now I'd like to see the IL-2 series continue to tackle areas of strength that the team can realistically do in the World War II time period.

 

There are very boring practical business reasons for doing whatever they will do next. Most of those considerations have to do with what they think they can sell and what resources they can get their hands on to turn into aircraft.

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1 hour ago, Redwo1f said:

I actually wouldn't mind Pacific at all, would be fine with Western Europe, Italy, or pretty much anything WW2 :)

 

That's a good attitude...I can't quite get there if we're talking Russia...enough.

 

Now in the spirit of conversation, not arguing...

 

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The thing that I think is causing me doubt about the Pacific (sorry Gambit, I know it seems to upset you

 

Not even slightly, nor did I indicate such. ;)

 

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(and I truly wouldn't mind Pacific at all, that I promise))  is that Jason initially said that Pacific would be postponed with one of the major reasons being lack of accurate data/access to regarding Japanese aircraft to build any to their standards.

 

No, translation issues of available data.

With lack of data for some aircraft I'm sure...for instance I doubt a player flyable Betty would be possible...or Emily 'sigh'

 

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But when he comes back again in September (post already quoted in this thread for other reasons - people can go back and have a look through his entire statement or find the original thread it was from) and posts in the midst of yet another lively discussion of next theater that there are some planes that they can never due because they don't have the proper data to do it up to their standards  --

 

Yep, could mean anything, including some Japanese aircraft...can also mean the Devastator, can mean B-26, can mean various float planes etc.

I also know there are flying Zekes and Oscars around, and accessible. So no reason to read too much into that at this juncture IMO.

 

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if that re-iteration was subtly referring to Japanese aircraft (which I think it very much could have been), then we may not see the Pacific at all.

 

Objectively, not a plausible scenario IMHO all things considered.

 

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Yes, i know about the icons (one claimed to be a joke and the others in the game for years),

 

Nope, not years.

 
A good joke would be an Imperial Tie Fighter squadron emblem...Japanese flag when PTO was announced and anticipated by a large segment of users? Uhh...doubt it. 

 

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and the editor selection choice (this latter being the most compelling support of Pacific (was this actually newly put in place or was it sitting there for a while, btw? )

 

Appeared during beta before the last update. Was surprised when it remained in the public build, but there it stayed.

 

 

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 but I am not sure it is a slam dunk like you think it may be...and there is certainly room for doubt in my opinion (and I know you have yours) It's all good :) 

 

Didn't say it was a slam dunk.

I said all indicators point that direction, and if it isn't PTO then from where I sit it would be a surprise, not the other way around.

That means I realize anything is possible. :)

 

 

 

42 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

There are very boring practical business reasons for doing whatever they will do next. Most of those considerations have to do with what they think they can sell and what resources they can get their hands on to turn into aircraft.

 

 

Yep

Now stop distracting me from my editor work.

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If they ever do Pacific theater, plz get the right to use a truly flyable TBF Avenger!

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10 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

There are very boring practical business reasons for doing whatever they will do next. Most of those considerations have to do with what they think they can sell and what resources they can get their hands on to turn into aircraft.

Considering resources i think if now is not the time (after releasing the most popular ww2 planes =BoBp planes=) for the most demanding theatre (PTO) than it's never going to be enough resources.

Anyway what ever it's going to be i hope it will be able to carry torpedos ;)

7 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

A good joke would be an Imperial Tie Fighter squadron emblem...Japanese flag when PTO was announced and anticipated by a large segment of users? Uhh...doubt it.

That being a joke would be a very dummy move from them and could hurt business.

Putting something in live build, something that would stab into eyes like that Japanese flag in QMB (in ME too) only to fool playerbase.....hmm i don't think devs and Jason are stupid to do that.

 

As i'm aware lately problem isn't lack of documentation as it is translations of those.

Some Jasons posts did give me doubt about PTO certainty, maybe it won't be Midway or something similar in complexity but instead they'll go with compromise and do less demanding and popular PTO battle.

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What if we just acknowledge the fact that the developers are perfectly aware of where and what the forums opinion lies. And simply let them do their thing. 
Personally I haven't agreed in the path chosen always. But I have absolutely no doubt they will deliver the best they can do within the limitations they have. And constantly attempt to improve it. 
They have proven themselves and we ought to give them that trust

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2 minutes ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

What if we just acknowledge the fact that the developers are perfectly aware of where and what the forums opinion lies. And simply let them do their thing. 
Personally I haven't agreed in the path chosen always. But I have absolutely no doubt they will deliver the best they can do within the limitations they have. And constantly attempt to improve it. 
They have proven themselves and we ought to give them that trust

 

I am confused? Has this been an issue in the thread. I supposed you could mention that some stated that the developer's inability to get sources on Japanese aircraft or the ability to make a workable torpedo, but that would be a stretch to state that those arguments suggest incompetence. 

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Despite my earlier post, I think threads like these are fine. Indeed, I'd recommend 777 etc. encourage them. Not only does it keep people talking about your product, it does give some indication of general feeling out there, if not accurate polling. Sure some people are going to be unhappy, but for every Eeyore that hangs out here and tries to piss on your company, there will be two people thinking, I'll buy anything just to piss Eeyore off. :)

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17 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

 

The devs of 1CGS AREN'T doing the Battle of Britain (Channel map 40-44), North Africa, Sicily, Malta, D-Day. Perhaps after the Pacific, but not now, not any time soon. The reason is because Team Fusion Simulations are covering those areas for IL-2 Cliffs of Dover. Jason feels it's not right to go to a place that another team is already going. He gave them the 1C source code in 2016 because he thought that CloD had a great potential to be successful just like IL-2 Great Battles is. If Jason wanted to cover the Battle of Britain, places mentioned above then he probably wouldn't have given TFS the source code.

 

Even if everything about CloD was said and done in 2012 I still don't think the devs would have done BoB because the game engine can't handle large formations of aircraft, plus there may be more than 10 planes that you have to include as flyables, and possibly add AI planes like the Do 17. The same may go with North Africa and D-day. Maybe it's too ships and planes that's required to do it right. Also, some of the required ships for MTO, D-Day may not have seen action, if not limited action in the Pacific, so it would be a wasted effort if the devs were to go to there before the Pacific.

 

Jason is doing something generous here, he's letting Team Fusion go where they want. Despite some planes in CloD like the Hurricane, Gladiator, G-50, P-40, etc. being available in Finland and the Pacific, TF isn't going to those areas.

 

I'm sure that a BoB, North Africa, Malta, Sicily, etc. covered by TF will be as entertaining as the PTO covered by the devs of IL-2 Great Battles. Doing a PTO from 1942 to 1945 covering Midway, Guadalcanal, New Guinea, Philippines, Okinawa, plus all the smaller islands would take many years to do, as it's taken 5 years for the devs to do 4 installments.

 

I think a Summer 1944-45 Italy could be feasible for the devs, or an IL-2 Battle of Barbarossa which would include planes that we can use for BOM if the Pacific isn't happening after Bodenplatte.

 

Cheers.

 



It's very bold to pretend that the CLOD team is even going to be intact after Tobruk releases..

If it doesn't sell well there's no reason to assume that they'll be able to even really support the Tobruk release, much less adopt new content. 

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12 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I can't quite get there if we're talking Russia...enough.

You got a phobia or smth?

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I got it so I could complain more effectively, but it's good for the complaint getters too :)

 

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By the way, the pre-order of collector's planes hasn't opened yet. 

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20 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:


Team Fusion is doing North Africa for now, and it's not done yet, who knows how much more time it will take, and at least in the immediate future after that they would cover Malta / Channel 1942 afaik... But you just keep adding theaters BoX "isn't allowed to do" even if they are nowhere near to be developed let alone released by TFS. For Battle of France and Malta it made sense, but D-Day and Italy mid-late 1943 is stretching it, you are trying to pass your personal wishlist of theaters for CloD as true fact.

We all know you really like CloD, no one is going to take it away, it's going to remain the only Battle of Britain/early-mid war Channel and North Africa modern sim for quite some time at least, but please stop with all this "don't talk about X European theater since it will be done in CloD 12.0". In less than a week you already posted about this like 4 or 5 times, we got it the first time or two.

I think BoX is going Pacific next, and for a couple dev cycles at least, so there is plenty of chance of TFS getting all of the above, but i'm tired of reading your constant "no, it's better to leave it to TFS" remarks.

Also, CLOD does not have anywhere near as much single-player content as BOX.  We have the built in Career mode, PWCG and scripted campaigns.  CLOD only has scripted campaigns, as far as I'm aware.  I would like to see many of these theaters represented in BOX for the sake of the pilot Career and Pat Wilson's excellent campaign generator, myself.

 

Though, I could understand if the BOX team doesn't want to step on any toes, so to speak.  Pacific Theater would be great, anyhow.  I'm just personally happy with whatever comes about.  Though, I do appreciate the departure from Russia and would like to see further departure from the Eastern Front, for now.

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1 hour ago, Arthur-A said:

By the way, the pre-order of collector's planes hasn't opened yet. 

 

An Arthur-A fun fact?

;)

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I wonder if 1C could do a Vietnam Air War add on as well :) (that would be awesome). I know its still EARLY days (but we do now have a shiny new jet in IL2) but one can dream. No point waiting for DCS to do it as probably my grandkids might be the first ones to try it out. 

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7 minutes ago, [ASOR]Pharoah said:

 No point waiting for DCS to do it as probably my grandkids might be the first ones to try it out. 

 

That's giving them way too much credit.

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Monday is veterans day.  Just saying.  :)

 

By the way going to see Midway tomorrow.  I hope it's good.  

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Yes Midway, me too.

Can't think of any movie *anyone* lurking here is more eager to see !?

But regarding IL-2 BoBP, FC & TC are going to be more than I can handle for some time, whatever 1C has in store for us in the future !    

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It does make you wonder what they might be thinking. All three will hit you for $210 at a discount. That is a steep price for most. Granted, some may not be interested in WWI and there is even less of a cross over for TC. Still, a lot to purchase. 

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S! 

 

BoX going PTO would require the game being able to handle tons of AI and objects without reverting to a stuttery slideshow. Carrier Task Forces anyone? How many ships? Number of AAA is staggering compared to the few we have now. Visibility range, LOD issues etc. 

 

At the moment game suffers a lot with AI in vicinity. Last night on MP some 17 planes were taking off, most of them Ju87D. My FPS plummeted to below 70fps from the normal average of 140-170fps. That with 17 planes in same area having AI gunners. Earlier you could tell if a formation of bombers were nearby because of stuttering and dropping fps..did not need to see them. 

 

Imagine approaching a Task Force with hundreds of guns and tens if not over 100 planes..🙄

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Well it's a 70-100 FPS drop for him, which is what people who aren't Saudi oil millionaires call "stuttering" on this forum.

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2 hours ago, IV./JG51-Lanze_vonHaltung said:

It does make you wonder what they might be thinking. All three will hit you for $210 at a discount. That is a steep price for most. Granted, some may not be interested in WWI and there is even less of a cross over for TC. Still, a lot to purchase. 

 

I actually purchased all three shortly after pre-orders opened up.

Love IL-2 very much, WWI stuff a little, and no real interest in tanks.

I wanted to support the developers all the way.

 

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5 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

Yes Midway, me too.

Can't think of any movie *anyone* lurking here is more eager to see !?

 

 

You are joking, yes?  Have you even seen the trailers?  This movie will be a steaming pile, just like "Pearl Harbor" was.  Just another Hollywood love story with a war as it's backdrop.  The CGI scenes in the trailers are garbage.  This one is going to suck, and suck hard.

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Agreed, according to reviews "Midway" 2019 surely is no aviator's dream (nor will get any oscar I guess), but AFAIK there won't be many WWII aviation movies released that can compete, at least this year !???

Those CGI scenes are what is to be expected in *ANY* SF or even blockbuster movie from now on and it won't be an Avatar 2 killer I guess ?

BTW I got my Ultra Laser Cinema ticket at half price so I hope it is half of what I expect ! 🙂

 

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