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P-47D 44-1 Fuel (150 Grade)

P-47D 44-1 Fuel (150 Grade)  

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  1. 1. Should the Jug have the 150 Grade option

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The P-47 in game currently doesn’t use or give the option for 150 Grade fuel. May of 1944 the 8th AF decided all P-38/47/51 groups receive 44-1 fuel immediately.
cite: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/150grade/150-grade-fuel.html

They did many tests at altitude and with ground attack variants and once they were pleased with the testing they pushed it out. The only thing I noticed was most P-38/47 Squads were converted to P-51’s so their time using the fuel was slightly limited. 
 

I really enjoy flying the Jug but with its current power output it really leaves me wanting more. The 150 grade fuel gave the Jug over 3,000 Ft per min climb rate at 10,000 ft, compared to the 2,000 Ft per min it has now. I’m hoping it’s taken into consideration as it was historically used on the front. They even went to the lengths of filling the wing tanks with the lower 130 for the climb out, and filled the onboard with 150 specifically for combat use. The Jug desperately needs 150 fuel in my opinion I’m curious what the masses think. 

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1 hour ago, ACG_Schmuck said:

The P-47 in game currently doesn’t use or give the option for 150 Grade fuel. May of 1944 the 8th AF decided all P-38/47/51 groups receive 44-1 fuel immediately.
cite: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/150grade/150-grade-fuel.html

They did many tests at altitude and with ground attack variants and once they were pleased with the testing they pushed it out. The only thing I noticed was most P-38/47 Squads were converted to P-51’s so their time using the fuel was slightly limited. 
 

I really enjoy flying the Jug but with its current power output it really leaves me wanting more. The 150 grade fuel gave the Jug over 3,000 Ft per min climb rate at 10,000 ft, compared to the 2,000 Ft per min it has now. I’m hoping it’s taken into consideration as it was historically used on the front. They even went to the lengths of filling the wing tanks with the lower 130 for the climb out, and filled the onboard with 150 specifically for combat use. The Jug desperately needs 150 fuel in my opinion I’m curious what the masses think. 

P-47D didn't have wing tanks but I agree on adding 150 fuel. It gives more benefit other than just top speed.

With 150 fuel you can use 64" WEP with or without water injection and you have up to 70" for WEP with water injection.

 

It also gives higher speeds when fully loaded with fuel and wing racks compared to the D-28 currently in-game. In order to get similar speeds in-game you need to go 50% fuel and no racks.

 

I made a post about it here:

 

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21 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

P-47D didn't have wing tanks but I agree on adding 150 fuel. It gives more benefit other than just top speed.

With 150 fuel you can use 64" WEP with or without water injection and you have up to 70" for WEP with water injection.

 

It also gives higher speeds when fully loaded with fuel and wing racks compared to the D-28 currently in-game. In order to get similar speeds in-game you need to go 50% fuel and no racks.

 

I made a post about it here:

 

Sorry by wing tanks I meant external drop tanks. 
 

I’ve seen this thread and post, it actually prompted me to do my own research which lead to this post. The Jug is my favorite aircraft of this era hands down so naturally I’m a little biased. But in my experience I definitely felt it was under performing. 

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20 minutes ago, ACG_Schmuck said:

Sorry by wing tanks I meant external drop tanks. 
 

I’ve seen this thread and post, it actually prompted me to do my own research which lead to this post. The Jug is my favorite aircraft of this era hands down so naturally I’m a little biased. But in my experience I definitely felt it was under performing. 

 

Yep, 150 fuel is definitely needed imo. Currently the P-47 is ok but personally I think they have the speed vs weight wrong, still doing research on this so not 100% yet.

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9 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

 

Yep, 150 fuel is definitely needed imo. Currently the P-47 is ok but personally I think they have the speed vs weight wrong, still doing research on this so not 100% yet.

What steps have to be taken in order for it to be taken into consideration? I know there is a thread for things like this but is it just post and hope the devs agree?

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Does anyone have historical performance charts for the D-28? I've only seen ones for the D-10 and later, N and M series and each one of those outperform the one we have in game by a long shot.

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I also hope they add 150 fuel.

Since if the P-51 gets it then the P-47 should too.

 

For the P-38 it could be argued that its historical for this Timeframe not to have 150 octane fuel as the only P-38s in the area at the time of Bodenplatte were part of the 9th airforce

and as such they were all based on the continent (and units on the continent did not have 150 octane fuel).

 

P-51 units located on the Continent (9th airforce) also did not have 150 octane but 8th airforce P-51s based in UK did,

this might be their logic for giving the P-51 150 Octane.

 

But if that is the case then the P-47 should also get 150 octane.

Since while the primary user of the P-47 in the area at this time was the 9th airforce there were still some P-47s in the 8th airforce (in particular the 56th fighter group)

they even saw action during the Battle of the bulge (23rd of december they engaged German fighters while escorting bombers supporting Allied ground forces),

and the P-47s operated by the 8th airforce did have 150 octane.

 

So in my opinion they should either give the P-47 150 octane (allowing it to simulate 8th airforce P-47s) or they should remove it from the P-51 (Having it Simulate a 9th Airforce P-51)

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46 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

We have P-51s from the 8th Airforce in the career. 

So you’re saying there’s a chance :biggrin:

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4 hours ago, ACG_Schmuck said:

So you’re saying there’s a chance :biggrin:

No, he's saying that they added 150 fuel for the P-51 because they have 8th AF FG in the career. Doesn't make much sense to me, as far as I'm aware the detachment used 130 fuel while on the continent even though it was still under 8th AF control.

Did they bring 150 fuel with them? I haven't found any info on it.

 

From a singleplayer perspective 150 fuel is useless, the ai is dumb and not hard to beat. Multiplayer is where 150 fuel is sorely needed as the P-47 in-game still needs work on it's engine modeling (among other things), 150 fuel would narrow the gap that we currently have due to poor engine mechanics.

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21 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

No, he's saying that they added 150 fuel for the P-51 because they have 8th AF FG in the career. Doesn't make much sense to me, as far as I'm aware the detachment used 130 fuel while on the continent even though it was still under 8th AF control.

Did they bring 150 fuel with them? I haven't found any info on it.

 

From a singleplayer perspective 150 fuel is useless, the ai is dumb and not hard to beat. Multiplayer is where 150 fuel is sorely needed as the P-47 in-game still needs work on it's engine modeling (among other things), 150 fuel would narrow the gap that we currently have due to poor engine mechanics.

In the document I linked earlier it shows 8th tested the 150 in early summer and by late all 51/47/38 detachments received it. 
cite: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/150grade/8thAF-150grad-26may44.pdf


When he said they had 8th 51’s in SP campaign I figured that meant all of 8th including 47 and 38 should have the 150 because that’s how it went down. It was literally weeks after Normandy when those squadrons started to receive the 150. 

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6 minutes ago, ACG_Schmuck said:

In the document I linked earlier it shows 8th tested the 150 in early summer and by late all 51/47/38 detachments received it. 
cite: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/150grade/8thAF-150grad-26may44.pdf


When he said they had 8th 51’s in SP campaign I figured that meant all of 8th including 47 and 38 should have the 150 because that’s how it went down. It was literally weeks after Normandy when those squadrons started to receive the 150. 

He wasn't referring to all 8th FG, just the 352nd I think. The 352nd was detached to the 9th AF and served on the continent.

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9 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

He wasn't referring to all 8th FG, just the 352nd I think. The 352nd was detached to the 9th AF and served on the continent.

Ah ok understood. I definitely have to do more research on the units operating in the area I don’t have a solid grasp on it as it shows. 

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9 hours ago, BlackSix said:

We have P-51s from the 8th Airforce in the career. 

 

While that is true, the 8th Air Force squadrons that were based on the Continent did not have access to 150 grade fuel. The official reasons given were: (1) logistical difficulties, and (2) it was seen as unnecessary, given the sorry state of the Luftwaffe by late 1944. 

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