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(How to) Make Bf 109 3d model great again

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First of all, i have to say devs have done great job with 109 3d model originally as it still look pretty good after all these years.

It's only now, when latest (really good looking) BoP planes become available, clear that it  start to showing it's age.

 

However, by fixing couple of major errors in it's 3d model it would be possible to bring it up to date on latest BOP planes.

 

Biggest error concers models from F to K; incorrect caster angle of main landing gears. What we have now in game is correct for E model, but in reality angle was altered between E and F by 4,5 degrees.

In game now it' same for all Bf 109 models.

 

While it doesen't sound too much, it's very easily noticeable from pics. Here's pic from J-C Mermets messerschmitt bf 109 book:

 

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And here is comparison shots real 109 vs one in game:

 

 

 

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 This is something that definitely needs a change in my opinion, such big is the difference.

 

 

Next, second biggest error is about windshield frames from G models on.

 

They are too thin in game, and it's another thing that is not so noticeable at first, but you just know something doesent look right.

I have made so quick and dirty comparison and they will show why.

 

Here is what we have in game, and a pic i take couple weeks ago from museum:

 

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Now see what happens when i paste frame from real one:

 

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Again, quite big difference there.

Here's complete paint job with corrected frames, it's easy to see how much this change would add realism to 3d model.

 

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There is few other little errors wich i may post about later, but in my opinion by correcting these two major ones it would bring 3d model from past to todays standards.

 

 

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As a big 109 fan, the incorrect landing gear angle has stuck out like a sore thumb to me since the first days of this sim. That, and a few other 3d model errors really highlight the difference in detail between the 109 (and some of the other early planes) in this sim and the more recent aircraft to be added (which are outstanding). I hope the Devs can find some time before the next project to bring the early aircraft up to the latest standards.

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Extending the wheel strut to see where the line meets the top of the cowling will perhaps reveal the error more clearly.

  

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Hopefully the devs can give this some attention now that the 109 is being rebuilt as a "late" G6. 🤞

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2 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

 

For me this armored glass issue is the biggest mistake and needs the most urgent fix.

:salute:

skud

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Took these pics while i was visiting MT-452 at Utti yesterday. Not great as they are taken throught glass but proved my point about too thin windshield frames/panzerglass pretty well.

 

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And the last one is just for enjoy the view :)

 

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There are a lot of the older models that have a few 3d bugs. I don't think they have enough time to assign a person to go through and correct it all. There are bugs on the P-40, 109s, MiG, La-5s, and so on. What I would rather see is if GB has the longevity, to just go back one by one and replace the old models with new ones that are up to the new standard. Like one every development cycle or something.

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Definitely great information here and nice catch you all. I hope the devs can correct these small details.
 

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To add to the thread, this is what annoys me about the 109F 3D model - missing boundary layer ducting.

 

Messerschmitt Bf 109 F and G/K water cooler system
With boundary layer extraction duct on the F series
Without boundary layer suction channel in the G/K series
Copyright 2012 by Helmut Schmidt

 

 

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8 hours ago, VO101Kurfurst said:

To add to the thread, this is what annoys me about the 109F 3D model - missing boundary layer ducting.

 

Messerschmitt Bf 109 F and G/K water cooler system
With boundary layer extraction duct on the F series
Without boundary layer suction channel in the G/K series
Copyright 2012 by Helmut Schmidt

 

 

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Nice detail. Do you have more info about how that worked? Why was a feature on the F model and they did not keept that on the G and K model?

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17 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

Nice detail. Do you have more info about how that worked? Why was a feature on the F model and they did not keept that on the G and K model?

 

It worked as a boundary layer separator, to reduce/eliminate turbulant airflow inside the raditor ducting. 

 

I haven't seen anything on why its use was discontinued on G and K series. Perhaps it was a wartime simplification, or simply did not give as much benefit to justify the added complexity.

 

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