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Since I don't post here much, I am hoping that asking for opinions on new desktop builds are allowed.

 

Having had my i7-920 system since last 2009, I've been saving up money for the past two years and I'm ready to get a new machine. I've picked out the parts after reading quite a lot on specs and hope I have it right. I have the money so I am willing to spend more on this new system now and not have to upgrade anything for a long time.

 

My i7-920 system plays IL2 great with almost everything cranked right up, but I wanted a new system to play the latest games like the newest Total War games at Ultra settings.

 

Going from an i7-920 (@ 4Ghz) with a GTX 970 to these specs:

 

Cooler Master MasterCase H500M E-ATX Gaming Case, Iron Grey w/ Tempered Glass Window with extra fan on top: Arctic Cooling ARCTIC F14 PWM PST 140mm PWM Fan, Black

 

Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850 Modular Power Supply, 80+ Gold, 850W

 

Gigabyte Z390 AORUS MASTER w/ DDR4, 7.1 Audio, Dual M.2, Gigabit LAN

 

Intel Core™ i9-9900K Processor, 3.6GHz w/ 16MB Cache with Noctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler  ( I read that the NH-D15 is just as good as AIO coolers)

 

Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 16GB DDR4 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit (2x 8GB)

 

Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 PCI-E x4 SSD, 500GB ( Windows drive)

 

Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 PCI-E x4 SSD, 1TB

 

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER GAMING OC 8GB PCI-E w/ HDMI, Triple DP, USB-C

 

Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64 bit) OEM

 

I’m also adding two more SSD’s (930 GB and 480 GB) from my current i7-920 system to this new system.

 

I read that 16 GB of RAM is plenty for gaming and that 32 GB of RAM is not needed unless for some specific graphic programs for work.

 

I also decided to go with a RTX 2070 Super instead of a RTX 2080 as I'm using a 1080p 60 Hz monitor with new plans to go to 1440p or 144 Hz for a while.

 

Any opinions are most welcome and I thank you.

 

 

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From my view point all good chose's.  My new rig is very close to yours, I have 32GB DDR, and an older 1080Ti 11 gig card.  Been looking at the newer cards but summer has kept me busy, having fun.  The i9-9900K is a great Processor and very easy to OC, right now I have mine running at 4.4GHz and thinking of going up to 4.8.  I run BOX with graphs setting to max. with no problems.

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Your design is fine, there is nothing seriously wrong with the choice of parts. However, it's possible that some optimizations could be made.

 

If you ever plan to play at 4K resolution, you might find the RTX 2070 somewhat limiting in certain games. Therefore, it might make sense to step up to a stronger GPU. To keep the cost reasonable, you could choose a lesser CPU such as the 9700K for a more balanced build.

 

The choice of two SSDs with one rather small seems a bit odd. Personally, I'd just get a single 2 TB unit and leave a free M.2 slot for upgrades.

 

 

26 minutes ago, WallysWorld said:

I have the money so I am willing to spend more on this new system now and not have to upgrade anything for a long time.

 

This rarely works in practice. Buying slightly slower but much cheaper hardware and upgrading more frequently generally provides better performance than waiting a decade. Very high-end parts offer poor value due to high prices and often become obsolete quite quickly thanks to improving technology.

 

Getting an expensive system to have the best performance for a while is fun and somewhat understandable, but it might not be the best choice if you have to save up for it. Something like a Ryzen 5 3600, B450, and RX 5700 system could give you fairly similar performance for much less.

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I read on more than a few websites that having your OS on separate drive from your games is the best practice. Now granted that SSD's are super fast compared to HDD's so maybe the advantage of having Windows on its own drive is negligible now. Others have said it makes no difference to split Windows from your main drive that holds games.

 

Yes, I am having trouble deciding whether to stick with a RTX 2070 Super or go to a 2080. But I don't see myself going to 4K for at least a few years and maybe more.

 

 

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The gap between the 2070 SUPER and the 2080 is quite small. You'd have to step up to a 2080 Ti to see a major difference. Of course, that comes with a much higher price.

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Thanks for the opinions as I highly value them. I think I will be sticking with the 2070 Super. The price difference between that and even the plain 2080 is about $240 Canadian.

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VERY nice setup! With that monitor the GTX 2070 Super will be great. My 9900k is a BEAST. 

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Thanks. I ordered it last week, but the NH-D15 is on back order and won't be in for another week. I thought I could easily wait it out, but the longer I wait, the more anxious I get.

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2 hours ago, WallysWorld said:

Thanks. I ordered it last week, but the NH-D15 is on back order and won't be in for another week. I thought I could easily wait it out, but the longer I wait, the more anxious I get.

 

Good things come to those who wait.

;)

 

I started purchasing parts for my complete new build early October of last year, was not till mid January I was able to have everything ( waiting on the motherboard and CPU to be available). Finally got it built on Jan 15th , I was like a kid in a candy store lol.

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On 8/27/2019 at 1:26 PM, WallysWorld said:

Intel Core™ i9-9900K Processor, 3.6GHz w/ 16MB Cache with Noctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler  ( I read that the NH-D15 is just as good as AIO coolers)

 

Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 16GB DDR4 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit (2x 8GB)

 

Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 PCI-E x4 SSD, 500GB ( Windows drive)

 

Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 PCI-E x4 SSD, 1TB

 

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER GAMING OC 8GB PCI-E w/ HDMI, Triple DP, USB-C

 

My first question would be whether you intend the rig to be VR-ready at some point. If you're not worried about IL2 in VR, you can save significant money on the processor. Even if you are interested in VR I would say that the 9900K processor is overkill. I would instead get a 9700K, a motherboard with good overclocking/power delivery, and an AIO cooler. The Noctua is decent but in my experience you really want a 280mm or 360mm AIO for good overclocking.

 

For the memory, check what CAS latency you're getting. 3200mhz is good, but if you can get CAS-15 (or even 14) that will help IL2 a lot.

 

NVMe drives are a total waste of money for gaming. You can reduce the cost of your build significantly by skipping NVMe and just getting good m.2 drives.

 

If you're not interested in VR/4K, I think you'll be fine with the RTX 2070, but if you're thinking about either of those, I would go for the 2080 instead. Use the cost savings from skipping the NVMe drives and downgrading the CPU.

 

Edit: Guess I was a bit late on these suggestions! Anyways I'm sure you will enjoy the new rig, you have specified very nice parts.

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On 8/27/2019 at 5:48 PM, WallysWorld said:

Yes, I am having trouble deciding whether to stick with a RTX 2070 Super or go to a 2080. But I don't see myself going to 4K for at least a few years and maybe more.

 

The RTX 2070 Super 'is' the RTX 2080. They updated the lineup. These cards have two chips in general if I'm not mistaken. One for the premium cards, like the extreme OC ones, and the other chip for the entry level, mid tier cards. So the RTX 2070 Super is carrying the old entry level RTX 2080 chip. The same way the RTX 2060 Super has the 2070 entry level chip. In other words, who bought 2060s and 2070s a week before the release of the Super series got really screwed.

 

So you got lucky to not fall for the 2080, because you would be paying way more for basically the same card (literally). Even then because if you really needed a beefier card, you should go for the RTX 2080 Super. So with a RTX 2070 Super (2080) under the hood, you should be good to go even with a 144hz monitor.

 

Regarding two SSDs, the advantage of having the operational system on a separate disk is that if you have to reinstall the Windows for some reason, you don't need to mess with personal files. I have a separate SSD for my OS for years.

 

You will need a good CPU cooler for the i9, because what matters in these games is clock. Ideally you should try to get all cores to 5Ghz. The NH-D15 might be enough, but you could also look for a good 360mm water cooler. Although nowadays, with the RGB trend, they are coming extra pricy and with crappy / weak fans. Case fans in general, when before they all came with 2000rpm plus fans. Also check if the NH-D15 will block the memory sticks (it will probably hover over two sticks at least). It has to be low profile memory sticks. Or you could get the Cryorig R1 Universal (it is offset to clear the memory sticks). But these big air coolers are heavy and can bend the motherboard if it is too flimsy. Or they cannot fit the motherboard because of ram height, GPU slots and stuff.

 

If you plan to overclock the i9, and you should.

 

I would buy a 3600Mhz memory if possible. If the 3200Mhz has good timings, latency, it can match the 3600Mhz in some cases, but the timing not always rules. Frequency is always good. There are some good Corsair and G-Skills rams out there. For example, your Kingston might have CL16, and you can find 3600Mhz rams out there with the same CL16 or even CL14. I know that you already bought it, but if you did not build the rig yet and the package is closed, you can replace it (if you are looking for premium stuff).

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On 9/8/2019 at 3:50 PM, WallysWorld said:

Thanks. I ordered it last week, but the NH-D15 is on back order and won't be in for another week. I thought I could easily wait it out, but the longer I wait, the more anxious I get.

Kinda late for advice, but I have a question. How easy was to instal the memory under that Noctua cooler?

The new 15 series has some fixes that allows better memory compatibility, but some tall memory sticks still don't fit under it.

 I have the older 14 series for many years and I had to change the corsair memory I ordered when I upgraded, to a low profile Gskill, because it wouldn't fit.

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Sorry, but I had the shop build my new system. They didn't report any issues to me with the build and the NH-D15 is doing a great job cooling the i9-9900K.

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On 8/27/2019 at 4:32 PM, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

Your design is fine, there is nothing seriously wrong with the choice of parts. However, it's possible that some optimizations could be made.

 

If you ever plan to play at 4K resolution, you might find the RTX 2070 somewhat limiting in certain games. Therefore, it might make sense to step up to a stronger GPU. To keep the cost reasonable, you could choose a lesser CPU such as the 9700K for a more balanced build.

 

The choice of two SSDs with one rather small seems a bit odd. Personally, I'd just get a single 2 TB unit and leave a free M.2 slot for upgrades.

 

 

 

This rarely works in practice. Buying slightly slower but much cheaper hardware and upgrading more frequently generally provides better performance than waiting a decade. Very high-end parts offer poor value due to high prices and often become obsolete quite quickly thanks to improving technology.

 

Getting an expensive system to have the best performance for a while is fun and somewhat understandable, but it might not be the best choice if you have to save up for it. Something like a Ryzen 5 3600, B450, and RX 5700 system could give you fairly similar performance for much less.

Unfortunately the rate at which we are experiencing upgrades these days has slowed significantly, it's not 2005 anymore where the GPU gets outdated in 6 months. Buying top of the line hardware right now will last a very long time. My system won't need upgrading for years unless something drastic in technology happens.

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23 hours ago, JonRedcorn said:

Unfortunately the rate at which we are experiencing upgrades these days has slowed significantly, it's not 2005 anymore where the GPU gets outdated in 6 months. Buying top of the line hardware right now will last a very long time. My system won't need upgrading for years unless something drastic in technology happens.

Yes, that was my line of thinking.

 

The i7-920 I bought in late 2009 did me very well especially with the great overclock on it. So I thought I would purchase another system that I could use for at least 5 years and play almost all games at ultra quality settings.

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