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I really do wonder how that will play out in mp. 

Zeke got a huge advantage in a neutral startingpoint. 

Its only disadvantage is if it get hit

 

 

I think it'd be ok. Battlefields UK used to run a Midway scenario, fairly tight and concentrated, with Zeros and F4Fs doing about equal. It was one of the better scenarios that suffered only from a lack of options when it came to aircraft (the addition of the B5N helped a bit - wish the TBD was a flyable there too).

 

Had some awesome fights in the clouds between fleets in that scenario.

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I know Jason, really wants to do the PTO, and I think Han is on record as really wanting to make a "Battle of Korea" 

 

From my point of view I just want to fly, Korea would be interesting, perhaps with a trilogy of titles in its own right. Wasn't the front line quite fluid with lots of back and forth action over the years ?

 

Either way, I am really looking forward to seeing some carrier ops

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20 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

 

I really do wonder how that will play out in mp. 

Zeke got a huge advantage in a neutral startingpoint. 

Its only disadvantage is if it get hit

 

 

In the F4F it forces you to be disciplined, pick your moment, and fly smart. Blow through, extend, fight another day. 

 

I enjoy both sides of that matchup.

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Early zero vs wildcats (especialy F3 model) are good match, prob even better then 109f4 vs yak1 now.

Only thing good later where axis are not outmatched heavy is F6F3 vs A6M5s in Philippine sea carrier vs carrier, but for bombing allieds have mutch better stuff by that time even in that battle.

 

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F4F3/F4F4 vs A6M is actually not a bad matchup. It is a really good one. Since from my experience i find hitting slow and good turning planes quite easy, because they turn right into my bullets. Then we can have the F2A Buffalo which could be used for eastern front in the finnish air force. Douglas SBD vs D3A Val and Douglas TBD(TBD Avenger) vs B5N Kate and the Battle of Coral Sea.

 

But i am also not against Salomon Islands campaign or Burma airbattles.

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20 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

...we need carrier ops and the classic Zeke vs Wildcat  matchup can’t be ignored. Thus anything excluding those things arguably  cannot be “best”.

I don't need that. I would hate to see the Asiatic-Pacific Theatre yet again portrayed as a naval war - that's just a part of it.

 

Zeke vs. Wildcat is no more classic than the way more diverse P-40 & P-39 vs. A6M & Ki-43. Round that off with a P-38 and Ki-61. That's the Papua & New Guinea campaign.

 

Midway limits you to F2A-3, F4F-3, F4F-4 (all flown in the same way) vs. A6M2 Model 21, a repetitive set of missions, and a lot of water to stare at.

Not to mention the technical limitations of this game - Carrier battles necessitate very detailed ship damage models, working damage control, AI capable of executing prudent (evasive) manoeuvres, radar, gun directors, etc.
  

You already know about my stance on Guadalcanal/Solomon Islands. It would be pointless to discuss this for the nth time.

Synopsis for everybody else: 1000 km Rabaul - Henderson Field; repetitive Japanese planeset (Zero, Zero, Zero); static campaign

  

  

Carrier battles? Second instalment!
Papua & New Guinea first, Coral Sea second - a coherent set outlining most of the Asiatic-Pacific Theatre.

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1 hour ago, MeoW.Scharfi said:

 Then we can have the F2A Buffalo which could be used for eastern front in the finnish air force. Douglas SBD vs D3A Val and Douglas TBD(TBD Avenger) vs B5N Kate and the Battle of Coral Sea.

 

The Buffalo used by the US Navy/Marines at the time of Midway is the F2A-3 though, which was quite different in performance to the B239 which was a modified F2A-1. Slap a Finnish skin on it, you can use it as a lookalike stand-in sure, but you'd require a redone flight model to accurately represent the Finnish Buffalo.

 

And I think you mean the TBD Devastator? TBF Avenger is the later plane that replaced the Devastator. 

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The TBF's combat debut was at Midway.  Not many of them and they got cut to pieces as well because of uncoordinated fighter escort, just like the TBDs.

Also for Midway we will need the B-26 Martin Marauder.  One of which very nearly had shot at killing the senior IJN carrier staff.

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Hoping for something Western Europe in 43 or early 44. 
 

Razorback Jugs/Mustangs vs G6s and Antons is a fun, non-uber plane matchup. 

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Don't mind Korea, but it needs to be another 'franchise' to be run concurrent with IL-2 like TC and FC. 

 

Whether BoBP is enough of success to fund that I do not know, and I imagine it would be too much work

 

For WW2 to be put on hold for + - 2 years while  a decent Korea release was made would be a very  big disappointment (for me) , after so much progress has been made with current WW2 aircraft/timeframe

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

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1 hour ago, Jonttu1 said:

I'd rather have a Catalina to be honest.

 

YNWA

@LukeFF YNWA = You never walk alone = Liverpool FC song

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5 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

Don't mind Korea, but it needs to be another 'franchise' to be run concurrent with IL-2 like TC and FC. 

 

Whether BoBP is enough of success to fund that I do not know, and I imagine it would be too much work

 

For WW2 to be put on hold for + - 2 years while  a decent Korea release was made would be a very  big disappointment (for me) , after so much progress has been made with current WW2 aircraft/timeframe

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

That would be good idea, Il-2 sometihing ww2 DLC, and at same time Il-2 something Korea war DLC at same time, like we had ww2 and ww1 now. They can do it!

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5 hours ago, =27=Davesteu said:

Zeke vs. Wildcat is no more classic than the way more diverse P-40 & P-39 vs. A6M & Ki-43. Round that off with a P-38 and Ki-61. That's the Papua & New Guinea campaign.

 

Plus throw the Ki-44 in somewhere with an appropriate map, and you can take my money now.

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26 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

That would be good idea, Il-2 sometihing ww2 DLC, and at same time Il-2 something Korea war DLC at same time, like we had ww2 and ww1 now. They can do it!

Well, I think the only slim chance of that happening is if they drop Flying Circus 2 (which may happen anyway (future unknown)) and Tank Crew future editons (unless the third party part of that is proficient enough now to almost entirely take that over) - it's not like they are a big development team (and they are spread pretty thin now I think all things considered). -- or could it be possible that another third party with support pick up upon Korea? (idk).

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45 minutes ago, Redwo1f said:

Well, I think the only slim chance of that happening is if they drop Flying Circus 2 (which may happen anyway (future unknown)) and Tank Crew future editons (unless the third party part of that is proficient enough now to almost entirely take that over) - it's not like they are a big development team (and they are spread pretty thin now I think all things considered). -- or could it be possible that another third party with support pick up upon Korea? (idk).

For TC just do 2x collectable anti aircraft trucks and 2 new tanks

For FC also just 2 collectable airplanes

Then full WW2 DLC 10 airplanes and map

And Korea DLC 1952/53 so you just need to do north part from Kimpo to china bases map that is not so big, and do it 4-6 airplanes with Mig15s vs Sabers as main dish, avoid navy stuf ( if posible ad later ).

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I suspect Korea would come well after PTO expansions, simply due to requiring aircraft carrier mechanics and radart tomake it work among other things. And I honestly wouldn't mind a Korea expansion but only after they have covered the major theatres of ww2.

 

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2 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

For TC just do 2x collectable anti aircraft trucks and 2 new tanks

For FC also just 2 collectable airplanes

Then full WW2 DLC 10 airplanes and map

And Korea DLC 1952/53 so you just need to do north part from Kimpo to china bases map that is not so big, and do it 4-6 airplanes with Mig15s vs Sabers as main dish, avoid navy stuf ( if posible ad later ).

 

Tank Crew is highly likely to see several releases in the future considering the huge playerbase from games like world of tanks and especially warthunder where many are frustated with the current state and looking for an alternative.

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On 8/24/2019 at 11:12 PM, MeoW.Scharfi said:

I could write an entire article why Korea is a bad idea and most people will agree with me when i do, even those who don't like me, and why pacific, spain, finnish airplanes, medtar., north africa are the way better scenarios than bloody korea. 🤦‍♀️

 

Could you give 100 words instead? Interested to understand your perspective.

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On 8/25/2019 at 7:12 AM, MeoW.Scharfi said:

I could write an entire article why Korea is a bad idea and most people will agree with me when i do, even those who don't like me, and why pacific, spain, finnish airplanes, medtar., north africa are the way better scenarios than bloody korea. 🤦‍♀️

 

The med and Africa won’t be coming to GBS any time soon, they’re already being worked on for CloD.

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On 8/24/2019 at 6:02 PM, timothy55 said:

Sublime.

                    Since you have a soft spot for Jet aircraft from the 60s to the 90s does that mean you are going to suggest Vietnam, and of course Phantoms?

No. I dont think itd fit in this nor do I think this engine would handle *anything* beyond Korea.

That said my father was a F4 WSO and I love Vietnam and would kill for a SEA map and F4s, Mig17s, F105s, A6s etc for Vietnam

On 8/25/2019 at 4:47 AM, Bremspropeller said:

 

There's a time where modelling jets doesn't make sense anymore on the BoX engine - that's where jets are starting to become too complicated.

An F-84G or the vanilla F-86 are technologcally WW2 aircraft with jet engines, so very few additional tweaks are required to make them happen.

 

The cut-off happens in the mid 50s, when jets are carrying more and more capable radars and the onboard systems (engine control and regulation, hydraulic architecture, electrical bus structures, etc) are getting more complicated. Heck, the F-106 has an automatic aft fuel transfer when flying supersonic...

 

I replied basically the exact same but less well thiught out :)

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10 hours ago, ww2fighter20 said:

 

Tank Crew is highly likely to see several releases in the future considering the huge playerbase from games like world of tanks and especially warthunder where many are frustated with the current state and looking for an alternative.

I hope so, but i still play from time to time tanks in WT, and see no reason to buy them here. Probably it would not be big distraction from airstuff to do TC 2 in next 18 month development cycle

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On 8/20/2019 at 4:15 PM, 77.CountZero said:

from dd-227

  • Improved AI maneuvering in a dogfight. Our new programmer is working on this (the recent formation keeping improvements are his work), but remember there is still a long way to go in this area.

so you aint gona have to wait for long

I never thought about that until you mentioned it, but yes, the AI really needs to be worked on. Since I'm 72, I rarely play multiplayer because you young guys walk all over me, so mostly I'm against AI in single player. But to be honest, the AI in BoS/BoM/Bok/BoB is really disappointing. I'm getting tired of chasing these guys in circles, and all thy seem to do is run away, but in IL2 1946, AI gave you your moneys worth, all you could handle and more.

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19 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

I hope so, but i still play from time to time tanks in WT, and see no reason to buy them here. Probably it would not be big distraction from airstuff to do TC 2 in next 18 month development cycle

Arent tanks made by urga media? Anyway while some may cry it slows down planes. I don't think that's bad. First, we got much better damage for vehicle instead of "shoot tank 6 times to kill it", would they really bother with it if not for ground forces? Then tank expansion is something that i belive will be best selling expansion. It's very popular on the east for sure. You don't need any joystick to play and overall, people like tanks more than planes. On the biggest gaming website in my country, tank crew is already the most popular expansion for il-2 and it's not even out.

 

You may like it or not, but it's definitely going to a good boost for the company which is a good thing, don't you think?

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58 minutes ago, onlyforbrian said:

I never thought about that until you mentioned it, but yes, the AI really needs to be worked on. Since I'm 72, I rarely play multiplayer because you young guys walk all over me, so mostly I'm against AI in single player. But to be honest, the AI in BoS/BoM/Bok/BoB is really disappointing. I'm getting tired of chasing these guys in circles, and all thy seem to do is run away, but in IL2 1946, AI gave you your moneys worth, all you could handle and more.

Jason said we have to wait many months for AI improvement, a new programmer working on AI is a good start.  
really want a deadly AI like IL-2 1946, at least ROF level........

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Just as a reminder: they have to SELL the new three titles big time before the money will be available for something new ... 

So better work on that part via youtube, flight forums, friends etc ... IMHO

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1 hour ago, InProgress said:

Arent tanks made by urga media? Anyway while some may cry it slows down planes. I don't think that's bad. First, we got much better damage for vehicle instead of "shoot tank 6 times to kill it", would they really bother with it if not for ground forces? Then tank expansion is something that i belive will be best selling expansion. It's very popular on the east for sure. You don't need any joystick to play and overall, people like tanks more than planes. On the biggest gaming website in my country, tank crew is already the most popular expansion for il-2 and it's not even out.

 

You may like it or not, but it's definitely going to a good boost for the company which is a good thing, don't you think?

All good, i dont mined or think tanks delay any air stuff they develop, its just to sim for my tank taste, i like arcade and fast food level wt gives, so dont know how mutch tanks are popular here. As long as it alows them to make more dlc no problem. It would be nice to see if they could pull another 3 DLC, but this time insted ww1 go for korea and new player base with it.

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Burma would be really interesting but I cant see acompany doing it.  I just think itd be assumed thered be little interest.   Its not known as the forgotten theater for nothing

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I would love the Pacific Theater.

The consequence is that too many objects have to be created, many different planes from Japanese and US side, ships,  submarines, different type of carriers, destroyers, cruisers, battleships, landing barges, amphibious vehicles, tanks, flame throwers,  a large variety of ground defenses, AAA artillery, but also Anti Tank, and Anti ship artillery, pillar boxes, bunkers etc. etc. you name it. 

Capability to manage smoothly around 50 planes and maybe twenty ships plus ground activity, to be realistic in certain battles.  

I doubt Jason would launch such a project, it seems to me just too huge and a large financial investment.

 

Just in case it may help, personally I would be ready to pay the triple amount premium price for such a BoX with the same quality level of a BoBp.

 

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I think they'll go with whatever will bring in the most sales next. I'm thinking Korea too since it has the most crossover appeal potential in the flight sim community. Unless they have other marketing data to say otherwise.

 

Mig-15 and F-86 will appeal to both US and Russian markets. Early jets along with high performance piston engine aircraft which will appeal to both the IL-2 Great Battles market (us) and the DCS market. True DCS has these planes already...but no actual historical map to fly them on and no other support craft from the era so if IL2 team goes here they will smoke them :)

 

I hope they go Pacific...but will that really increase sales? I don't think Russians are that into the Pacific war, and no jets to appeal to DCS folks. Korea or some other early jet scenario seems like a cool idea that hasn't really been touched since Mig Alley?

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8 minutes ago, kestrel79 said:

 

 

Mig-15 and F-86 will appeal to both US and Russian markets. Early jets along with high performance piston engine aircraft which will appeal to both the IL-2 Great Battles market (us) and the DCS market.

 

Well, I can only speak for myself, but as far more of a  WW2 guy, I would take and prefer ANY WW2 theater over Korea.

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1 minute ago, kestrel79 said:

I hope they go Pacific...but will that really increase sales?

 

Well, there was a lot of talk about Pacific and I remember very well, when many committed for Pacific - the producer himself too. And a lot of those

committers also stated (for not to say threatened) to leave, if the next theater is going to be anything else but Pacific.

And many committers also confirmed that the sales will raise "dramatically" because of the US market - so, we will see...

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On 8/26/2019 at 6:13 AM, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

 

The med and Africa won’t be coming to GBS any time soon, they’re already being worked on for CloD.

 

It would be a grave error to shy away from any theater simply because it's been done, or is being worked on by CloD.

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Wildcat and zero was always one of my favourite match ups in 1946 in multi plane engagements. 

 

However, I think solely midway/ Corel sea would be a terrible next expansion. The battles whilst historically significant, are just far to short to have longevity. It will get stale very quickly.

 

Far better to do early Guadalcanal, but obviously far more difficult asset wise. It would then also be relatively easy to add midway certainly coral sea as most assets already developed.

 

Also Guadalcanal map can be used for many other planes as the campaign progressed. 

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32 minutes ago, Redwo1f said:

 

Well, I can only speak for myself, but as far more of a  WW2 guy, I would take and prefer ANY WW2 theater over Korea.

Thats why they could try to do 1ww2 dlc and 1 korea dlc in next 18 month development period, to not scare of ww2 fans if they go just fr korea dlc for next 18 months. I think one ww2 dlc have to be in development as player base here is probably mostly into that. And in this dev period they did 3xdlc at same time, so who knows maybe they will do 3 again at same dev time.

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48 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

However, I think solely midway/ Corel sea would be a terrible next expansion. The battles whilst historically significant, are just far to short to have longevity. It will get stale very quickly.

Booooh

 

 

I see your point, but if we aint getting Midway , what about my Devastator. 

 

Anyway when Midway and Okinawa was mentioned. It was so far ahead that it simply cant be quoted. 

Any PTO would make such ambition and vision valid. They would have done what they said they do. 

I really see no other opstacle to a New Guinea map or burma map unless they regard Japanese planes lacking data as one

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I hope they keep it ww2 as well! But I totally get the appeal of Korea and the possible crossing over into the jet market. Just like Flying Corps crossed into Rise of Flight and WW1 market and a Tank Crew crossed into the Tank Combat market.

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On 8/25/2019 at 4:29 PM, ACG_Herne said:

I know Jason, really wants to do the PTO, and I think Han is on record as really wanting to make a "Battle of Korea" 

 

From my point of view I just want to fly, Korea would be interesting, perhaps with a trilogy of titles in its own right. Wasn't the front line quite fluid with lots of back and forth action over the years ?

 

Either way, I am really looking forward to seeing some carrier ops

 

Could have sworn that it was the exact opposite, stagnating around the 38th parallel. Maybe wrong tho.

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15 minutes ago, TheTacticalCat said:

 

Could have sworn that it was the exact opposite, stagnating around the 38th parallel. Maybe wrong tho.

 

Nope. Jason is a big fan of Pacific. He has mentioned it before - and you can also see his comments in here as well:

 

Not sure where Han mentioned wanting to do Korea sometime (?). I do know that Jason merely mentioned when talking about Me-262 at an expo, that it would be cool to sometime do Sabre vs Mig-15 -- and seems lots of people ran with that and made assumptions.

 

We will just have to wait and see. Reveal has got to be coming relatively soon I think. (Bp was announced 4 months prior to Kuban release, and I think they pretty much are going to announce when the new collector planes revealed, imho).

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