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I am about to start Mission 17, so only 3 Missions left. I really love the Campaign and the night missions are pure fun,

 

Today I had a funny situation.…….while parked at the beginning of a Mission, while starting my engine, I watched a group of P-39´s entering the runway to start a sortie…...1 of those AI P-39´s went off the runway and crashed into a parking Yak, destroyed it completely, that looked funny and ridiculous.

 

Another Mission I started taxi to the runway in a row with my AI Squad mates, the AI Spitfire behind me was taxiing too fast and crashed into my tail, destroyed my Elevator, I had to start the Mission again.

The AI does sometimes real slapstick maneuvers.

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17 hours ago, spitfirejoe said:

I am about to start Mission 17, so only 3 Missions left. I really love the Campaign and the night missions are pure fun,

Thank you!!

 

17 hours ago, spitfirejoe said:

1 of those AI P-39´s went off the runway and crashed into a parking Yak, destroyed it completely, that looked funny and ridiculous.

Those noobs huh, some times they do things like that (take off accident) but could happen IRL so..

 

17 hours ago, spitfirejoe said:

Another Mission I started taxi to the runway in a row with my AI Squad mates, the AI Spitfire behind me was taxiing too fast and crashed into my tail, destroyed my Elevator, I had to start the Mission again.

The AI does sometimes real slapstick maneuvers.

He probably got mad at you for jumping on the line ;). As a rookie with the GIAP you are always last in a row.

 

Enjoy the rest of the campaign.

 

Haash

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This campaign is a real treat. 
only gotten to mission 5 because I do only one a day. So I follow the career time line. 
Expectation for every day. I havent enjoyed a campaign so much since I started one of my first in old IL 2 back in 2002

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I have just finished this campaign in VR on full realism. It was so very immersive and enjoyable, challenging and I felt very integrated into the mission role. As already reported there is the mission where a P-39 interferes with the rest of my flight  so I ended up flying the mission by myself. There was a later mission where the flight lead refused to take  off so again I flew the mission solo. Apart from anomolies like this, which I am well used to by now with flight sim AI, the whole experience was very much worth the price of the campaign and I want to congratulate everyone involved in its creation.

 

As the AI behaviour is improved and becomes more cohesive, reactive and subtle then I can look forward to re-flying this campaign for  an even deeper sense of  involvement.

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Another campaign finally finished and enjoyed, thank you very much, really appreciated.:drinks:

 

Where would we be without these superb scripted campaigns?

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.:biggrin:

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VR has really bought this campaign alive for me.  Controlling the taxi to the runway in 2D is harder & a chore.  Congratulations on delivering such an amazing campaign.  

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I really need to start this campaign, bought it a while ago.

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Hi all,

 

Glad to read you guys enjoy it so far, thats what it was done for..

 

On 1/11/2020 at 11:23 AM, MADOV said:

I have just finished this campaign in VR on full realism. It was so very immersive and enjoyable, challenging and I felt very integrated into the mission role. As already reported there is the mission where a P-39 interferes with the rest of my flight  so I ended up flying the mission by myself. There was a later mission where the flight lead refused to take  off so again I flew the mission solo.

Could you remember which missions it were? I want to take a look since I dont want noone to fly mission solo, they are hard enough with a full wing..

 

15 hours ago, dburne said:

I really need to start this campaign, bought it a while ago.

After what happened to your SP campaign...I think you should start it yeah..and send some feedback as all others ;)

 

Haash

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13 minutes ago, SYN_Haashashin said:

 

After what happened to your SP campaign...I think you should start it yeah..and send some feedback as all others ;)

 

Haash

 

Lol yeah was thinking the same this morning.

Time to do it!

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I bought it few days ago during the sale, but still didn't start it. Still learning some cool maneuvers in the 109's and enjoying while learning the Mig... But the next thing in my "to-do list" is this campaign, so sad Im a disaster with spits 😄

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10 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Lol yeah was thinking the same this morning.

Time to do it!

It is just great. I wish for a followup. Great atmosphere , realistic compressed timeline. 
I restarted the campaign because in a mission I got greedy and selfish. I left the group and escort mission and followed a couple of “one O’nines. Lost a couple of mates while I was away and just got like” how stupid can one be” mood. I had promised myself I would be the new guy with less experience and follow my leader. And do my job in a team. Swearing at myself , gotten two 109 that in these circumstances did not mean anything. 
I aborted and deleted the campaign in shame. Restarted it fresh and are now away at work just 3 mission in.  And really looking forward to getting home

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2 hours ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

It is just great. I wish for a followup. Great atmosphere , realistic compressed timeline. 
I restarted the campaign because in a mission I got greedy and selfish. I left the group and escort mission and followed a couple of “one O’nines. Lost a couple of mates while I was away and just got like” how stupid can one be” mood. I had promised myself I would be the new guy with less experience and follow my leader. And do my job in a team. Swearing at myself , gotten two 109 that in these circumstances did not mean anything. 
I aborted and deleted the campaign in shame. Restarted it fresh and are now away at work just 3 mission in.  And really looking forward to getting home

Know how you feel.  I've been a good mate and follow my leader, in mission 11 and I do have 7 victories.  I agree with the Great atmosphere, and the time compression comments.  Oh yea I tried the "Lone Wolf" and well it did not work for my flight mates nor me. 

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I’m just about through this campaign and I’ve just started playing in vr.... what a game changer.. 

 

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2 hours ago, spartan85 said:

I’m just about through this campaign and I’ve just started playing in vr.... what a game changer.. 

 

 

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On 2/18/2020 at 9:12 PM, Calius2020 said:

If I did purchase from the store will it work ok on steam version?

Hi Calius,

 

As long as you have your accounts linked it should not be a problem. All webstore purchases will be ingame when you start it from steam.

 

Haash

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On 2/20/2020 at 12:23 PM, SYN_Haashashin said:

Hi Calius,

 

As long as you have your accounts linked it should not be a problem. All webstore purchases will be ingame when you start it from steam.

 

Haash

 

Thanks as you can see from name change this is my linked and purchased/all running fine.

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I think Achtung Spitfire is a great Sim but I am having problems taking off from runway when I get in position. No matter what I do to take off in a straight line I spin all over the runway! Apply brakes, stick fully pulled back, twisting stick to not spin, no luck! Spin like crazy! I have to be doing something wrong? Need Help? I have over 2116 flight hours in the BOS sim and no other take-off issues of any other plane.

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hi, 

did you check you set propeller to fine pitch / Rpm to max?

 

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I read the post of ( gabuzomeu ) for controlling the plane spin at take off. I can not find the topic in key settings for ( propeller to fine pitch/ RPM to Max ? Do you mean ( High or Low pitch )? There is no fine pitch? There is Propeller RPM Control ( RSht+Minus/RSht+Equals) is that it ?

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Yes, the prop RPM control is what you need. Set it to maximum before takeoff and taxiing, and then slowly throttle up all the way to max throttle, very slowly and smooth, dont just smash throttle to 100%.

Doing that and using rudder pedals to balance the torque should let you take off 😃

Requiem as always has really good information on it, take a look at this video, it will help you a lot, on how to prepare the Spit for takeoff and landing.
 

 

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To understand prop pitch better, I recommend the following three videos. 

 

 

Then watch this one:

 

 

 

Finally,

 

 

 

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Just finished Achtung Spitfire, and thank you for the tremendous work put into this campaign!

 

In the interest of hoping to shape future campaigns, here are a few points of feedback:

 

 

 

// WARNING - Spoilers ahead //

 

 

 

LIKED:

  • The reconnaissance mission along the road at night.  Very exciting the sense of being alone, at high speed, and then breaking away from the run as searchlights begin to come on and stab the sky searching for me.
  • The early "training missions" felt very realistic.  The first ferry flight to the front line, and the practice ground attacks against the trucks.  Really felt like the squadron breaking in a new pilot in a way that added to the immersiveness.  
  • Variation in time of day across missions.
  • The density of ground fire during missions near front-lines or the key bridge. Never seen such dense flak before in BOX, and really created a feeling of danger.  I pulled my canopy closed to offer a little extra protection against shrapnel :).
  • The variety of locations visited in the region, yet staying reasonably close for short flight times.  I have good memories of that one mission doing ground attack along a densely wooded and hilly valley to the far southwest, of flying CAP over the Black Sea coastline near Novorrisk and the flat swamps and lakes of the NW near the Sea of Azov.  Having mission 20 located where it was was a nice change of pace leading to a memorable ending.  
  • A few long missions (down near Black Sea), but most missions being short flights.  
  • The presence of other friendly flights (La-5s, P-39s) shuttling to and from the front.  Helped create the sense of a live dynamic combat zone.
  • Narratively, no sudden heroic rise of our protagonist from new student to flight leader.  We were always "the new guy" flying #4, and that felt right given the compressed timeframe of the story.

SUGGESTIONS

  • The German 109s are met in almost the exact same way every time.  There's never any surprise ambushes far behind friendly lines by roving Frei Jagd hunters.  Almost never (IIRC) do the Spitfires attack a location and no 109s show up.  It made the navigation to and from the "target zone" much less interesting, since there never felt like any threat until we reached the "target area" for the mission.  The journal even comments on this, saying something like "everytime we attack, the Germans are there 1-2 minutes later".  The rhythm just felt very predictable.  As a recommendation for the future, spring some surprises on the player - a lone 109 separated from his comrades lost behind enemy lines, or an overwhelming force of 109s that should force the player to run.  Have a few Ju-88s separated from their escorts, or an Ace 109 and his wingman doing a hunt deep behind Soviet lines to surprise the player.  Just a few such events would have helped add a degree of uncertainty to all every mission (even if nothing happens that mission) and made the combat area feel more dynamic.  
  • Offer a change of airbase for a single mission.  E.g. a Spitfire has to land at an emergency field near the front lines, is repaired there by mechanics, and needs a pilot to return it to home base, or join a mission in progress.  Just a bit of variety in the starting location (while keeping it realistic) can help break up the missions and keep them fresh.
  • Have an emergency change of mission during a mission.  E.g. we start towards the front line with plan A, but then a flight of Il-2s nearby is getting jumped, or a flight of La-5s has been mauled and trying to get back home, and we're vectored by Soviet air controllers to help.  By 1943, the VVS was developing sophisticated ground control for flights, able to redirect in the air to new targets.  Would again break up the predictability of the flow of the missions.  

 

Best of luck with the next campaign!

 

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Early impressions on this campaign, that I'm enjoying very much!

 

What I like so far

  • It includes the cold start and taxi (and this implementation of the Spitfire Vb is strangely easy to taxi!).
  • The presentation at the start of the mission, with a story part and even music, is a very nice touch.
  • The zoom-in gives a good sense of the airfield, even if it's a bit slow and repetitive after a few missions.
  • The missions which are varied, and based on historical events... Or are they? It's mentioned in the first post of this thread, but the (quite short) description given in the sim says the opposite (fictional and not based on history) :huh:  To be honest, I haven't looked up the historical facts to check (not sure I have the material for that anyway).
  • It's a Spitfire campaign ;) 

Features I'm not sure about / suggestions

  • If I could only change one thing, it would be this. The "You have landed your airplane" picture scene *has* to be removed! I almost crashed a few times when I was taxiing and this picture completely blocked my view. It doesn't add anything, breaks the immersion, and is just plain dangerous. Please make it an option at least, or keep it for the 1st mission only, and once the airplane is fully stopped and safe :) 
  • The mission briefings could give a little more information, especially the name of the flight so we know which radio messages are relevant (what's the pilot's name anyway?). Maybe the flight altitude and IAS would help.
  • In the 2nd mission, I was expecting to get some guidance by this Peter chap, but he remained silent the whole flight ;) I guessed where the actual targets were, but firing at ground vehicles is a dangerous process, I'm pretty sure a real pilot would be given strict instructions on what to shoot (and probably not so close to a camp with friendlies).

 

Little bugs?

 

1) I noticed that in the first mission, the leader could never land. It's probably more an IL-2 issue than a campaign glitch (I know IL-2 doesn't make scripted missions easy to design and maintain). The runway was empty for a long time, and yet the tower would not give landing clearance. I finally landed anyway, waited for the leader to land a while longer but finally gave up and exited the mission. It's of no real consequence, except for users who expect to wait for everyone to land safely before stopping the mission.

I didn't have this problem in the other missions I flew.

 

2) In the patrol mission, the AI leader does a first pass, then does very tight 360s for a while. That's the same bug as in the career missions, so I suppose it's a problem for 1CGS (I did report it to them but that, along with all other AI bugs, never had a reply). See log in attachment, with the tight 360s at the bottom.

 

Thanks for the campaign!

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On 3/2/2020 at 5:26 AM, greasegunDivebomb said:

I think Achtung Spitfire is a great Sim but I am having problems taking off from runway when I get in position. No matter what I do to take off in a straight line I spin all over the runway! Apply brakes, stick fully pulled back, twisting stick to not spin, no luck! Spin like crazy! I have to be doing something wrong? Need Help? I have over 2116 flight hours in the BOS sim and no other take-off issues of any other plane.

Are you setting full right rudder trim for takeoff? Also a bit of nose down as well.

With that and a brisk application of power, to ensure you have adequate airflow over the rudder for directional control, you should be fine and require minimal rudder input to keep straight.

Also just keep stick central, don't really need back stick as you want the tail to rise sooner rather than later.

Reset trim once airborne.

 

 

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On 3/1/2020 at 5:26 PM, greasegunDivebomb said:

I think Achtung Spitfire is a great Sim but I am having problems taking off from runway when I get in position. No matter what I do to take off in a straight line I spin all over the runway! Apply brakes, stick fully pulled back, twisting stick to not spin, no luck! Spin like crazy! I have to be doing something wrong? Need Help? I have over 2116 flight hours in the BOS sim and no other take-off issues of any other plane.

 

5 hours ago, VampireNZ said:

Are you setting full right rudder trim for takeoff? Also a bit of nose down as well.

With that and a brisk application of power, to ensure you have adequate airflow over the rudder for directional control, you should be fine and require minimal rudder input to keep straight.

Also just keep stick central, don't really need back stick as you want the tail to rise sooner rather than later.

Reset trim once airborne.

 

I forgot to reply to this. I had the same problem in the first 2 missions at Slavyanskaya. There could have been 2 potential mistakes, but I'm not sure which was responsible or if that was a glitch:

  • I was almost centred behind the leader and not on the right or left, but normally the downwash shouldn't have been so much of a problem for the direction, especially at low speed
  • I was braking at the beginning to get enough RPM before rolling, and I was applying the throttle gently to avoid any couple effect (and trying to correct the spin with some braking when it started rolling, which perhaps only made it worse?)

There's a bit of crosswind too, but if I remember correctly the spin was not rotating the plane into the wind so it's not that.

The problem vanished on the next missions, and I just tried again the 2nd one - shooting range, without any problem.

 

Actually, the AI does frequently spin on landing (it's very erratic in the patrol missions, changing speed all the time, and so on) 😄

 

Could you sort it out?

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On 3/15/2020 at 6:23 AM, VampireNZ said:

Also just keep stick central, don't really need back stick as you want the tail to rise sooner rather than later.

Reset trim once airborne.

Pretty much nails it!

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3 hours ago, 617CaptainMilton said:

Guys, I am always ground looping the spitfire. I was a pilot in the RN IRL.  Any advice about this?

 

 

Practice and finesse. Lots of it.

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12 hours ago, 617CaptainMilton said:

Guys, I am always ground looping the spitfire. I was a pilot in the RN IRL.  Any advice about this?

 

 

Check the few posts above, it's been discussed not long ago and there were some tips. It seems to happen a lot :)

 

Now I'm only spinning when this silly screen blocks my view telling me I've landed, I really hate this.

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Trial-and-error taught me the following tips with the Spitfire VB in Il-2:

 

  • Brakes are only good for stopping you in straight ahead motion.  They are almost ineffective at getting the plane to swing left/right.  
  • The best way to swing the nose is to goose the engine and use rudder.  A quick burst of power and rudder deflection is very effective to point in the direction you want to go.
  • Always slow to a near stop (or complete stop) before trying to turn.  Any turns while rolling will lead to dipping a wing.
  • When braking on landing, there's a phase where the Spitfire wants to start ground looping (I think to the right).  Need to anticipate this and be tapping or pressing hard left rudder (with brakes applied) to help keep straight until you slow to near stop.

With these lessons, I now feel like I have really good control over the Spit in taxiing, takeoff and landing.  Hope they help.

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