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Can you play campaign with it and if so is it really an option?

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7 minutes ago, Hedeyex said:

Can you play campaign with it and if so is it really an option?

What option?

 

Yes you can play campaign, you fly transport missions mostly. Sometimes it's dropping cargo sometimes you land and unload it. There are paratroopers too but I don't know if campaign has them. After Crete there was not anymore jumping. Maybe just small units behind enemy lines but I doubt. As far as I know Fallschirmjager were only up north near Leningrad so Moscow, Kuban and Stalingrad historically should not have any. [Edit, in 1942 they were around Smolensk, but still not in the game, also they were used as ground forces, not jumping around]

 

There is no info if devs are planning to add more options like flying with wounded which ju52 fans really want.

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What I mean do I just get up in the air to be shot down, or are the missions properly made with fighter cover and such, so is it truly an option to play with it.

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Well you are not transporting stuff over enemy territory so it's much safer. My last mission was no escort to the frontline airfield. Some i16 were flying around but you had bunch of aaa shooting at them and 109 flying to intercept them. Flying ju52 is not that dangerous. Unless there are paratroopers drop behind enemy lines (never had them so idk if they exist). I had these before career was made and it was really really hard. But I would say you have much better chances of surviving in ju52 than 109.

 

I am sure air bridge in Stalingrad will be much more deadly when you will actually fly over enemy territory into a pocket.

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Haven't flown Ju-52 in campaign yet, but apparently PWCG has more mission types for it than stock campaign generator  - and his campaign generator is better overall than stock regarding escorts in general (and pretty much everything else too). Go chime in at PWCG forum and I am sure you will get more detail by someone if not here.

 

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PWCG has para drops, cargo drops, transport (always somewhere close to the front) and the rare bombing mission.  Ju52 is available on all eastern maps and a career can be flown from Moscow through Kuban.  You will have an escort.  PWCG allows you to scrub a mission and generate a new one if you like.  

 

I flew a couple of missions and they were fun.  On a para drop mission I got dinged by flak and my squadron mate got shot up pretty bad but we made it across and back. 

 

Per the historical accuracy of para drops: I'm not sure if they were abandoned completely.  Crete was the only massive one but PWCG emulates pretty small ones ... which might have happened ... or not.

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Last week I have seen one on display in a museum in Hermeskeil in Germany (go visit if you happen to be nearby).

 

So I am also thinking about buying this cargo horse for my BoX. It could be fun and relax after all the combat sorties in fighters. I am also on SP only so I appreciate the info regarding the career and PWCG (which I do not know yet).

 

Btw. they also have the He 111 in the museum. I was really surprised how small the plane was.

 

Milan

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11 minutes ago, apollon01 said:

Last week I have seen one on display in a museum in Hermeskeil in Germany (go visit if you happen to be nearby).

 

So I am also thinking about buying this cargo horse for my BoX. It could be fun and relax after all the combat sorties in fighters. I am also on SP only so I appreciate the info regarding the career and PWCG (which I do not know yet).

 

Btw. they also have the He 111 in the museum. I was really surprised how small the plane is.

 

Milan

 

if you want some laid back MP action with Ju52 then you can get it on TAW server "Tactical Air War"  (need to register your pilot name prior to flying, it takes 20 seconds https://taw.stg2.de/   After that join the server, find some back air fields and fly the supply missions through out the blue territory.  Out of all craziness it's by far the calmest experience in MP and there's almost no chance you'll meet any opposition forces if you plan the flight path. There's also the paradrops behind the enemy lines if you're in to some blood pumping actions as well. And FYI the TAW server uses the dynamic campaign model, so everything you do in regards to supply/resupply/drops does affect the layout of the map the next round (every 2 hours), so it's not just a frag server so-to-speak.

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Been flying nothing but the Ju52 in SP the last two weeks, after diving in and getting to learn the mission editor it's been fun coming up with some challenging flights for it.  Putting the gunner and paratroops to work is a blast, even if the mission ideas have not exactly been historically accurate. 

7 minutes ago, pomdeterre-v said:

 

if you want some laid back MP action with Ju52 then you can get it on TAW server "Tactical Air War"  

 

I flew a paradrop mission on the Finnish Virtual Server a couple weeks ago.  Looking forward to doing more of that in TAW, already registered. ;)

 

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3 hours ago, Hedeyex said:

Can you play campaign with it and if so is it really an option?

 

It's career mode and yes, you can. Campaigns, while also SP, are a different form of gameplay.

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Sounds good then, I don't yet have the plane but I'm kinda interested in it, but the price tag concerns me a bit.

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33 minutes ago, Hedeyex said:

Sounds good then, I don't yet have the plane but I'm kinda interested in it, but the price tag concerns me a bit.

 

If you think of it, it's the price of a few MD's meals. 

 

Someone said above that there were no major paradrops in the eastern front, which is correct of course, but I am sure there were small team insertion misisons every now and then. The career mode will give you some, I defenitivelly got them.

 

The flight distances are big enough to practice some RL navigation methods, and you will run into the ocasional enemy planes. Nothing unsurviveable though.

 

I like it a lot. Breaking from the standard mold is, for my taste, very refreshing.

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Well, about the price for example Bodenplatte doesn't cost 250€ + it has the campaign and the map too, yea 10 planes for 70€ + extras. I don't think it's pretty rational then to sell planes for 20€, or 25€ like in this case, but what do I know anyway.

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The ju-52 missions I’ve flown in the career have all been extremely long haul flights.  Are there any shorter ones where you move supplies between nearer locations other than your home base?

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Crap - you guys are making feel guilty about never updating my Pelican Ju-52 missions to the current version.

(entails me going in and testing/re-setting skies and weather)

 

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On 8/6/2019 at 12:48 AM, danielprates said:

Someone said above that there were no major paradrops in the eastern front, which is correct of course, but I am sure there were small team insertion misisons every now and then. The career mode will give you some, I defenitivelly got them.

Book i was reading said that 7. Fallschirmjäger-Division (which was everything germans had in that time) was send to russia shortly after luftlande sturm regiment was send there. They were around Leningrad and then Smolensk. So i don't really know who would jump (even if small units) somewhere in moscow, kuban or stalingrad. Maybe there were some saboteurs but i never heard about it.

 

7 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

The ju-52 missions I’ve flown in the career have all been extremely long haul flights.  Are there any shorter ones where you move supplies between nearer locations other than your home base?

In Moscow it was quite short. There are 2 units, one is much closer to the frontline than other one. Pick it and you will have quite a short runs to supply frontline airfields. It was 10-15min one way.

 

6 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Crap - you guys are making feel guilty about never updating my Pelican Ju-52 missions to the current version.

(entails me going in and testing/re-setting skies and weather)

Since there is new spitfire campaign that requires Kuban expansion and premium plane, maybe it is good idea to go back to ju52 :) I think non fighter campaigns will have more interest now, since there is not much of them.

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6 hours ago, InProgress said:

Book i was reading said that 7. Fallschirmjäger-Division (which was everything germans had in that time) was send to russia shortly after luftlande sturm regiment was send there. They were around Leningrad and then Smolensk. So i don't really know who would jump (even if small units) somewhere in moscow, kuban or stalingrad. Maybe there were some saboteurs but i never heard about it.

 

Yes, agents, saboteurs, special forces....I would imagine those sorts of small forces wouldn't leave much record of their actions, would they? At the same time that sort of small dirty business was so common during ww2 that I think it is prarically impossible that it wasn't going on all over the front, with some frequency.

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The only combat jump on the eastern front I know of was the capture of bridges near Bogdanov in June 1941 by a parachute platoon of the Brandenburger special forces. Three Ju-52s took part in this mission.

 

There were also airdrops of agents and commandos, for example Operation Schamil in the Caucasus, but as far as I know in missions far behind the frontline Ju-52s were not used. For such missions we would need paratroopers as an option for the He-111.

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Non-historical paratrooper drops are just fine though too. I had great feedback on my Pelicans missions, and absolutely no “but this isn’t historical” comments.

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I wonder if the Fieseler Storch was used for agent insertion. That would be a fun one to have as a collector plane.

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I have an insertion/extraction scenario mostly completed. 3 missions - practice/training, actual drop/extraction.

 

You have to fly a circle and drop the commandos in the specified clearing.

 

Then land on a small frozen lake to extract them.

 

Just ran out of time.

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There is not much history relevance in mp, why should there be in SP? 

Anyway those who cares can pass, I like any interesting missions my way 

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If I complete them it would bring Pellicans Over Moscow to 8 missions. 

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19 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

There is not much history relevance in mp, why should there be in SP? 

Anyway those who cares can pass, I like any interesting missions my way 

Absolutely, as long as it is something, that might have happened that way, I am fine with it, too.

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Alright, I just couldn't sit still any longer, as I've been diddling around with a Non-Historical Ju52 mission as part of my first foray into the mission editor.  After a couple weeks of fussing with it, everything seems to work as intended and I want to move on to the next big idea so it's now posted in the Missions Sharing Corner, link below.   Again, it's pure fiction so anyone looking for historical relevance will be disappointed.  That being' said, feedback is certainly welcome, thanks in advance.

 

 

 

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On 8/9/2019 at 7:24 AM, Yogiflight said:

Absolutely, as long as it is something, that might have happened that way, I am fine with it, too.

 

That’s often the best way to go about mission building. :)

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On 8/9/2019 at 3:24 PM, Yogiflight said:

Absolutely, as long as it is something, that might have happened that way, I am fine with it, too.

Well one that was not confused. 

That was what I ment. And to those loving [edited] emojis , dont take everything so damn literary, and cut some slack to those not native english. 

MP got nothing of historical relevance to offer. There was never a lonely fighter strafing a enemy airbase, nor a lone bomber bombing a factory

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