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Im happy with learning bombsight operation, im just asking which requires least engine managment. Im running out of buttions :)

 

Im a terrible online fighter pilot, mostly i think because i have trouble spotting planes, so im thinking i will contribute as a bomber.

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The 110. 

While not necessarily a dedicated bomber in the style of the 111 or 88, it's still an effective tactical bomber. 

 

 

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A lot of fun can be had in FW-190 used in bomber/jabo role

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

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Perhaps the Ju88 - on most servers who restrict the "uber" bombs the 111 can carry, the 88 has many more useful loadout options. It only has one set of cowl flaps to worry about as well. It can be a bit of a handful to get up but one you are confident with the brakes and remember to up the rpm limiter before rolling its not so bad. Landing needs a little care as its a bugger for low speed stalls and a little power applied keeps the descent rate in check.   Climbs better and is much faster than the 111 too. 

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12 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

A lot of fun can be had in FW-190 used in bomber/jabo role

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

Yeah, thats what got me asking about bombers specifically.

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Honestly, if you're just starting out learning to fly bombers, I'd fly for the VVS to begin with. Train on the A-20 first, since it is by far the easiest bomber to operate as well as having the overall best performance. Yes, the German bombers can carry larger and more varied bomb loads, but the He 111 is a hog performance wise, and the Ju 88 can be a bit tricky, especially in ground handling.

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Neither the Ju-88 or He-111 are easy. They both have their quirks. Ranking from easiest to hardest (not all are dedicated bombers) in my own opinion:

 

 

  • Bf-110 - Pe-2, IL-2
  • Ju-87
  • He-129
  • Ju-88
  • He-111

 

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The Bf 110 is pretty easy to fly, is fast and can carry quite some serious load for surprise-attacks. When acting as a team, you can give each other quite some good mutual support.

A flight of Bf 110s can tear through the enemy's lines, bomb the living crap out of the opposition and then fight their way out of it.

 

The Pe-2, while being soviet, is also much fun. Don't drop too much flaps on approach, though. That thing will stall away under your bum on the roundout...

 

The Ju 88 is the best german bomber bar none. Yes, the loadout is a little weaker then the H-16 Heinkel, but it's an overall much better performer and it has more flexible loadout-options.

It's a bit of a dog to taxi, though.

 

The Heinkels are dogs, but the H-16 can nuke away with wild abandon.

 

The A-20 is a solid performer. It's a bit weak in the *heavy loudaout* department, but it makes up for it by overall performance. A bombed-up P-47 will have trouble following...

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Ah I missed the A-20, lol.

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34 minutes ago, 325TH_SPEKTRE76 said:

Neither the Ju-88 or He-111 are easy. They both have their quirks. Ranking from easiest to hardest (not all are dedicated bombers) in my own opinion:

 

 

  • Bf-110 - Pe-2, IL-2
  • Ju-87
  • He-129
  • Ju-88
  • He-111

 

 

I find the He-111 to be quite docile. The 88 on the other hand not easy to taxi, take off in or land. In the 111 all these things are super easy.

 

Grtz M

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If your criteria is that it has to be German and requires least engine management, then it is:

1. Fighter with bombs. Everything about engine management is automated (besides Bf109 E7, where rads are manual), so you only need to use throttle.

2. Bf110. Radiators are manual, but engine management is automated, just like fighters.

3. Ju-87, Ju88 and He-111 all have Jumo-211 engines, so same amount of engine management. Not difficult either, only have to control RPM separately. Ju-87 has only one engine, so I guess that means less management 😀

4. Hs-129, I don't have, but I understand that it's engine management has some peculiarities.

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There are three german level bombers: the He 111 H6, the He 111 H16 and the Ju 88.

 

In regard to engine management they are  pretty much the same. Just watch your revs and temps. The Heinkel has water and oil radiators while the Ju 88 has just outlet cowling shutters. The Heinkel water radiator can be put on a lever while it's oil radiator requires button or key commands.
I find the engine mangement quite easy. The most critical phase in flight is the take off where you want to change from take off to climb settings quickly. You also have to take care not to overcool your engines while you are decending from a high level.

 

The Heinkels are easier to handle on the take off run and do climb better during take off than the 88. The 88 has to pick up speed before you begin to climb.
Since He 111 H 16 has stronger engines and carries a heavier bombload, I would recommend it. The He 111 H6 is also nice and it's instruments are a little bit easier to check since they are arranged closer to each other.

 

If you like you can join us on fridays (19:00 utc) and sundays (18:00 utc) we fly bombers and ground attack airplanes of all nationalities.

 

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I'd say best to start with the 110 or 111.  The ju88 has tricky ground handling but is better than the 111 as far as survivability and preformance.  The 111's are easy to handle and fly but slower and more vulnerable to aaa and fighters but I love the 20mm in the nose.  Most people love to load them with the huge bombs but 4 and 8 250s in the respective variants are useful and stored internally which reduce drag and help performance.  The my favorite is the 110, while not really a bomber it can carry a heavier payload than the peshka, and I have probably scored the majority of my kills in all my playtime with it so it is definently capable enough to defend itself if you learn how to handle it and lose the ordanance.  

 

I leave my 110 and ju88 gunners at medium range but have my he111 gunners open up far because of its slow speed.  If you try the a20 i set it to far too so the gunners are not opening and closing their doors the whole engagement.  

 

I know this is mostly about level bombing but I have not seen the stuka mentioned.  Dive bombing is fun and effective too and it carries some useful loads depending on the target.

 

Whichever bomber you choose to learn, one of the most important things that messes up many new players is overloading bombers with fuel.  I never ran out of fuel with He111s and I've never taken more than 20% fuel.   A full load will go longer than the plane will survive in game lol

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Limiting options down to twin engine level bombers, I'd go A-20 -> Pe-2 -> He 111 -> Ju 88.

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1 hour ago, CrazyDuck said:

Limiting options down to twin engine level bombers, I'd go A-20 -> Pe-2 -> He 111 -> Ju 88.

 

Yeah, but the Ju88, when you've got her trimmed out and in level flight can really motor. I just feel fast when I'm in one - and kind of invulnerable. Flat out, you're not that much slower than Stalingrad and Kursk fighters, at least, so you gain time for others to clear your six for you. On line, as a squadron, we'd oftem have one or two of us in  - well whatever we wanted, but I'd take an '88, with four or five escorts, and then we'd go and attack stuff (Well, duh...!), but it was thrilling - sneaking in and then straight out, with my squadron mates covering my retreat.

 

And come on - taking off successfully in a fully laden Ju88 is its own little triumph!

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29 minutes ago, No601_Swallow said:

 

Yeah, but the Ju88, when you've got her trimmed out and in level flight can really motor. I just feel fast when I'm in one - and kind of invulnerable. Flat out, you're not that much slower than Stalingrad and Kursk fighters, at least, so you gain time for others to clear your six for you. On line, as a squadron, we'd oftem have one or two of us in  - well whatever we wanted, but I'd take an '88, with four or five escorts, and then we'd go and attack stuff (Well, duh...!), but it was thrilling - sneaking in and then straight out, with my squadron mates covering my retreat.

 

And come on - taking off successfully in a fully laden Ju88 is its own little triumph!

 

Yeah, you summed up nicely why I put it at the end of the current bomber spectrum: The hardest one to master, the most rewarding once you tame it, no doubt. :)

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I like using the he111 yeah the climb rate it slow but it’s stable, I find easy to fly I also like that it’s slower as it gives you longer to get your slight up and bang on target. Plus the view from the front is second to none.

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I don't know about some of this advice... the Pe-2 has a fast landing speed, and the Fw-190 requires handling a short nosed fighter (i.e. snap stalls common) with a large bomb hanging from it... so I'd lean towards the 111 or 88 given the original question.

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I agree with the recommendation of the He 111, easy to take off in and land, as well as maintain stable during the bombing runs. Good bomb load, too.

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If you have pedals with brakes on, or have diff brakes mapped go the 88.

 

once off the ground set her to 80% RPM and 80% power, she'll climb all day long and fly for as long as you have fuel on those settings and she'll do so quickly.

load her with 4 500kg and 2 250kg bombs and go and annihilate whatever you want, she'll happily take the load.

the only think you need to manage once up is your outlet cowls to keep the oil cool, that's it. she's nifty and her MG coverage isn't bad.

she also has dive brakes so you can dive bomb if you want (Seriously)

Pete

 

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On 5/23/2019 at 3:39 PM, 325TH_SPEKTRE76 said:

Neither the Ju-88 or He-111 are easy. They both have their quirks. Ranking from easiest to hardest (not all are dedicated bombers) in my own opinion:

 

 

  • Bf-110 - Pe-2, IL-2
  • Ju-87
  • He-129
  • Ju-88
  • He-111

 

what? you really didn't include A-20?...

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21 minutes ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

what? you really didn't include A-20?...

 

 

 

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On 5/23/2019 at 11:06 PM, CrazyDuck said:

Limiting options down to twin engine level bombers, I'd go A-20 -> Pe-2 -> He 111 -> Ju 88.

 

Shirley, you can't be serious!

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1 minute ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Shirley, you can't be serious!

 

Why not? Ju 88 I've put the last as the hardest to master (IMHO) since OP asked for a twin that's easy to learn and operate. 

My answer has nothing to do with which one I consider the most rewarding or combat effective.

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Ju88. As pure bomber I think it is so far still the best.. but it is hard to defend against faster fighters. Off course I can´t say that without recomending the Peshka series 35. It is just the most fun to fly, albeit the A20 is also not bad. The Heinkel.. well, it is a cool plane with style, but kinda outclassed from day one, unless you fight a Po2 only airforce.

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On 5/23/2019 at 1:28 PM, Finkeren said:

Honestly, if you're just starting out learning to fly bombers, I'd fly for the VVS to begin with. Train on the A-20 first, since it is by far the easiest bomber to operate as well as having the overall best performance. Yes, the German bombers can carry larger and more varied bomb loads, but the He 111 is a hog performance wise, and the Ju 88 can be a bit tricky, especially in ground handling.

Would second that regarding the A-20. Built like a bomber, flies like a heavy fighter. A great plane to learn bombers with. 

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