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1 hour ago, smink1701 said:

The Tempest the best single engine allied fighter?  You need to lay off the bong!

What would you propose as an alternative?

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Best mid and low level single engine fighter. P-47 or P-51 probably hold enough advantages at higher altitudes to get the nod.

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The P-51 is probably the best "multirole" aircraft you could get your hands on. You could throw it anywhere and it'd at least do okay. They even built one that could land on carriers, once.

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Probably depends what one means by "best". 

 

If it is based on the number of enemy aircrafts shot down and greatest impact on the air war , i would say it is a toss up between the Hellcat, Spitfire and P47's. You could even add the P39 to the list as it performed well on the eastern front.

 

If it is based on pure performances, then the Tempest and Mustangs are up there.

There wasn't much left of the Luftwaffe when they started to be deployed in numbers though. 

 

Personally my favourite is the Thunderbolt, I've seen it in real at the museum Le Bourget in Paris and it made a great impression on me. That plane held the line and made a strong contribution when the going was very tough in 1943 until mid44.

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The best allied single engine fighter of the war was the Boomerang. I’m not biased at all, btw.

 

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Hi all,

 

This is a DD discussion, please talk about anything else at the right topics.

 

Haash

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11 hours ago, gorice said:

What would you propose as an alternative?

P51, Spitfire, Hellcat, P38, P47 and any number of Russian fighters to name a few. 

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4 hours ago, smink1701 said:

P51, Spitfire, Hellcat, P38, P47 and any number of Russian fighters to name a few. 

 

None of which are better, low to mid altitude than the tempest...

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I thought he meant the best western made fighter. If we can include Soviet planes, Yaks and La's should definitely be up there, especially Yaks for low to medium alt, amazing design, simple to use, cheap to mass produce, very high combat speed and excellent performances overall. I'd take a VK107 Yak3 or a La7 over any other allied plane if we ignore high alt performances and range.

 

To come back on topic, I've watched the trailer and i thought it is a nice one to attract new players to the sim. I am also grateful of the work done on the AI lately, it is much more enjoyable offline now.

 

This plus the gorgeous interiors pics posted bodes really well for the future of the sim as it is very encouraging to see that progress is being done at a steady pace. Gives hope for new expansions next year before a possible Pacific front hopefully?

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I wasn't talking specifically about high altitude more overall maneuverability  and speed , I wouldn't  want to go up against a late 109 or 190D  with a veteran pilot at the controls in a P47 or P51 they just haven't got the agility . A Spit can just about out turn anything and i suspect the yaks and La5 have the maneuverability too.

There's plenty of vids on the net of modern pilots who fly both P51's and 109's and they all say the same thing .......No chance!

By the time of Bodenplatte the Germans had hardly any experienced pilots left , this made things a lot easier for allied pilots.

Fantastic vid by the way ,absolutely amazing!  I'm itching to fly the Tempest and 262 against one another. It's going to be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!

 

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The thing about the P-51 to me is that, from a "I am in charge of an air force and am looking for an aircraft to equip my squadrons with" the P-51, while it doesn't do much the best (except range), it does do everything at least well. There's good reasons why the design stayed in use so long post-war

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2 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said:

The thing about the P-51 to me is that, from a "I am in charge of an air force and am looking for an aircraft to equip my squadrons with" the P-51, while it doesn't do much the best (except range), it does do everything at least well. There's good reasons why the design stayed in use so long post-war

The US was really good at figuring out how things would work in the big picture.

 

What do we need?

 

We need a long range escort fighter that we can use to support our overall long range strategic bomber strategy in large numbers

 

Ok done  we'll make the mustang do that. 

 

Will it be the best performance fighter?

Ehhh close enough and we'll have thousands of them with fresh pilots.

 

Hey we need tanks that we can easily transport over the Atlantic, assemble quickly, fit on rail cars easily and can go over standard bridges.

 

Ok let's concentrate on the Sherman then.

Will it be able to compete with German tiger tanks? Eehh it can make do and we'll have thousands of them.

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"Best" single engine fighter is an extremely broad term and really impossible to quantify. 

A lot of fighters were the "best" at what they did, while weaker in others.  If you plopped a Tempest at 28,000 feet and expected it to perform as well as a Mustang while escorting bombers to and from Berlin, it'd be a laughing stock. 

If you put a Mustang on the deck and tasked it with running down V-1's and didn't use it's incredibly long legs (range)..then it's not even as good as the P-38 on the deck. 

It usually just devolves into personal opinion fueled pissing matches as to what was the best and where. 

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262 passed customs, out for delivery :)

 

hmm map nearly done, maybe there is a small chance we'll get it with 262, if not delivery boy will bring it with P51 for sure.

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Will the AI improvements affect how pilots control damaged planes?

i laugh sometimes at how you can shoot rudders and ailerons off of novice planes and they’re still able to perfectly fly them, even heroically land them wheels down.

id think novices would be a total mess in those situations, and in general should bail out much more readily than higher levels like aces.

 

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1 hour ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

262 passed customs, out for delivery :)

 

hmm map nearly done, maybe there is a small chance we'll get it with 262, if not delivery boy will bring it with P51 for sure.

 

I'd say definitely not coming together. Map still has a long way to go, they just opened a thread recently asking for help regarding the layout of many airfields in the map, as in, they dont even know what they look like. 

 

262 is much more mature, it will come sooner than the map no doubt.

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58 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

I'd say definitely not coming together. Map still has a long way to go, they just opened a thread recently asking for help regarding the layout of many airfields in the map, as in, they dont even know what they look like. 

 

262 is much more mature, it will come sooner than the map no doubt.

Yup,i missread DD (i read it with greed😂).

Map seems not coming soon, bummer!

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I wonder how the 262 will fair on the existing maps runways. They seem very short for it, and thank god FOD isn't modeled. 

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On 5/7/2019 at 6:39 PM, 357th_Dog said:

"Best" single engine fighter is an extremely broad term and really impossible to quantify. 

A lot of fighters were the "best" at what they did, while weaker in others.  If you plopped a Tempest at 28,000 feet and expected it to perform as well as a Mustang while escorting bombers to and from Berlin, it'd be a laughing stock. 

If you put a Mustang on the deck and tasked it with running down V-1's and didn't use it's incredibly long legs (range)..then it's not even as good as the P-38 on the deck. 

It usually just devolves into personal opinion fueled pissing matches as to what was the best and where. 

Mustang is much faster then the P-38 at all altitudes and a good 30 mph faster on the deck. It is in fact one of the fastest piston engined aircraft of WW2 on the deck, close with the Tempest V, La-7, Bf-109K-4 and FW-190D-9 which are all in the ballpark of 370-385mph at standard boost settings. 

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Yeah - the Mustang fought plenty of German fighters down in the weeds.

Ask Meyer, Preddy, Whisner etc.

 

Gotta love the internet.

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On 5/7/2019 at 7:02 PM, Jade_Monkey said:

 

I'd say definitely not coming together. Map still has a long way to go, they just opened a thread recently asking for help regarding the layout of many airfields in the map, as in, they dont even know what they look like. 

 

262 is much more mature, it will come sooner than the map no doubt.

262 and Dora were originally (tentatively) announced to come together IIRC. My sneaking suspicion is that the high speed flight modeling is getting another look before releasing it. 

As for the map, I have a feeling that the airfields are some of the last things getting done on the maps, as we have seen a lot of detailed shots of the cities, rivers, and open fields and such. The cities probably take more work than the airfields. 

I think you're right though, the 262 won't be coming with the map unless its delayed for a while longer. I think the earliest the map will come is alongside whatever allied fighter comes after the 262 - probably the Mustang as that's the only one that's even been given a tentative release date.

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Looking forward to the S.E.5a and Tempest!

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I hope you enjoy being pissed of. Spring ends June, 21. Not that it would matter. These devs have proven more than enough how serious they are about this. 

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10 hours ago, Fukken_Zoomie932 said:

Really really REALLY 😡

"Spring" is nearly gone and I'm pretty much pissed off...……...

i see much mimimi and little knowlege how how calenders and seasons work 😄 

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I just can’t wait to power up... advance power, just a bit too quick, and blow up... I miss old il2 262 :)

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12 hours ago, Fukken_Zoomie932 said:

Really really REALLY 😡

"Spring" is nearly gone and I'm pretty much pissed off...……...

1. Spring hasn't ended yet

2. The planes are coming in 2-3 weeks as stated in the latest newsletter

3. Enjoy the sale

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On 5/16/2019 at 11:46 AM, spartan85 said:

 I miss old il2 262 :)

 

Why?... you can still play it and get your 262 fix until they release one here.

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On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 12:46 PM, spartan85 said:

I just can’t wait to power up... advance power, just a bit too quick, and blow up... I miss old il2 262 :)

You would blow the flame and lose the power, not set the engine on fire:)

This "fire" in old Il-2 was a simple walk around (to punish player somehow and to show unreliability of first jet engines in some way) without coding special model for the jet engine. It was unrealistic because old il-2 did not simulate bahaviour of jet engine in any advanced way.

You can real Me-262 manual to know what would happen if you increase the power rapidly in low RPM regime.

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So would that be compressor stall and flame out??  How about surging?

 

Think they’ll have ground crew pull the starter handle? 

 

 

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On 5/7/2019 at 1:39 PM, 357th_Dog said:

"Best" single engine fighter is an extremely broad term and really impossible to quantify. 

A lot of fighters were the "best" at what they did, while weaker in others.  If you plopped a Tempest at 28,000 feet and expected it to perform as well as a Mustang while escorting bombers to and from Berlin, it'd be a laughing stock. 

If you put a Mustang on the deck and tasked it with running down V-1's and didn't use it's incredibly long legs (range)..then it's not even as good as the P-38 on the deck. 

It usually just devolves into personal opinion fueled pissing matches as to what was the best and where. 

 

How about most impactful?  There are probably quite a few that one could argue for but P-51 is definitely in the mix.  For instance, I think that providing long range escort over Europe is much more impactful than V1 intercepts.  I would say it is more impactful than a good ground attack plane because it was unique in its capabilities whereas there were many very good ground attack planes.  Same with interceptor - lots of good interceptors.

 

So there is my pitch for the P-51.  It was unique in its capabilities (very effective fighter with tremendous range) and those capabilities filled a vital role, previously incapable of being filled by another aircraft.

 

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Imho most the BP planes came to late to really have much impact on the war - its 44 / 45. And as far as that tbh the 2 absolute must haves in that game for me are the Tempest and P38.  The 109s I want because my love of 109s but Ive never liked the K much for some reason and Im more excited about the G14.  The Jugs cool but I dont really care.  The P51 Ive flown so much in other sims.. Its not the joy to fly to me it is to others. The Dora is a fun little ride and I like the later Anton 190s.  I dont really care about the 262. Seeinf the Spit IXe in action made me not really care to intrigued. Im most threatened by it when itd around - I have muxh more trouble with them than p47s.  They seem a great model of spitfires as in career you dont see the Mk Vs abilities - its too late. You need to fly it against F4 109s etc in a qmb to see a Spit V at home type situation. The IXe is quite fast and impressive ..  Im still trying to wrap my head around

1. NWE late 44/45 with no 4 engine ai planes or even ai C47s.  Also FW189s in the East.  They seem to have been common enough to show up in nearly every Soviet pilots memoir at least once and were in every eastern theater we got modelled.

2. Wheres the end of war East? No Yak 3s 9s etc?  La 7s and 9s? Oof. :(

Still wat do I know.

i am excired for the Pac especially F4 Us. I hope to christ they gave us a field mod for the 4x20mm like in 46 for her..

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