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In France, there is a site (IGN) that allows to see aerial photos of France in the 1950s.

 

http://www.ign.fr/institut/activites/patrimoine

 

 

Unfortunately, this site only shows France, I do not know if other countries have the same.

  

- example:   The aerodrome of Maubege south of Mons

 

https://remonterletemps.ign.fr/comparer/basic?x=4.031771&y=50.311591&z=15&layer1=GEOGRAPHICALGRIDSYSTEMS.MAPS.SCAN-EXPRESS.STANDARD&layer2=ORTHOIMAGERY.ORTHOPHOTOS.1950-1965&mode=doubleMap

 

 

 

 

Aide carte Bodenplatte.jpg 

 

another example: The aerodrome of Valencienne west of Mons

 

 

 

 

Aide carte Bodenplatte 2.jpg

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Error in writing Froidchapelle and not Floidchapelle

 

 

 

 

Aide carte Bodenplatte 3.jpg

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Hello all!

 

The best things I have are four photos (or assemblages of photos); most of them are from 1944, but probably just prior Allies arrival. However they are quite high definition and concerns: Antwerpen Deurne, Evere, Grimbergen and Ghent St Denis. the Antwerpen one is an assemblage I did not finish very well being not very cognizant with the subtleties of AutoPano. The result is still most usable as a reference (very accented pillow effect, but far from the airfield). The other ones are quite OK. Only Evere and Gent are single photos (the Evere one is well known) but very beautiful as they were scanned properly from an WWII Recce original photo.

 

You may download the from here (31MB zip...for four photos!):

 

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/1da1e7ac2fa9d5191f5ab3132549c7af20190504203015/f2ebb2cd8d2d629ac5200d0a7893b49220190504203015/28b14a

 

I have some interesting stuff but from France NW (who said BoB and 1944? 🙂 ...I know very well the real german airfields of the time; I even have photos from these places now...for colours and relief, it is interesting!))?

 

amically

 

JVM

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Not airfield but map related suggestion. You missed out 2 important Locations:

 

1.) Xanten, where Operation Blockbuster took place in Feb 1945 and where 15th Scottish Div crossed the Rhine 24th March 1945

2.) Rees, where Operation Turnscrew took place and XXX Corps crossed the Rhine 23rd March 1945

 

Best online source(s) about all this you can find here: http://ww2talk.com/index.php?forums/nw-europe.49/

 

Map attached:

 

 

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Guys, one airfield that has been hard to find wartime images of is Köln-Wahn. Everything I've found so far are postwar images, when the airfield underwent a significant change in appearance. Anyone have any good images of what it looked like during the war?

 

The same goes for Bad Lippspringe, Hesepe, and Düsseldorf-Lohausen - not much found at this point. 

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13 hours ago, JtD said:

 

Additional Infos about Koeln-Wahn here:

 

http://www.luftfahrtarchiv-koeln.de/1940_start.htm

 

1912 map (1/25.000) of shooting range/training range here: https://www.kuladig.de/Objektansicht/O-121073-20150410-2

 

Old postcards of shooting range Koeln-Wahn here:

 

https://oldthing.de/Wahn-Koeln-Schiessplatz-Wahn-Baracken-Koeln-Koeln-Stadtkreis-0023734506

 

Osnabrueck-Hesepe, with original pics of the 1945 bombing run:

 

https://www.untergrundosnabrueck.de/chronik/ereignis.vierter-luftangriff-auf-den-einsatzhafen-hesepe.html

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Hi guys from Germany, why not contact the local historical group / authority  or the PR-department from the airfield, if the airfield still exist.  Here in the Netherlands most local governments do have some archives thats open for public studies and use. 

Think one Email that explains what you are searching and why, in decent German language of course, could be enough. 

 

 

 

 

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[slightly OT]

The place refered to as "Snow Eifel" is "Gerolstein". The "Schnee-Eifel" is a region. 

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On 4/23/2019 at 12:14 AM, Jason_Williams said:

Can anyone help me get these books? Are they in digital form anywhere?

 

https://www.amazon.de/s?k=Flugplätze+der+Luftwaffe+1934-45+und+was+davon+übrigblieb&__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&ref=nb_sb_noss

 

Which volume covers western Germany and the airfields important to us? Do these books have diagrams at all of the runways?

 

Jason

I've got most of them in my possession. They include the GPS coordinates for every airfield in the Reich, complete with topographic maps that show the location and aerial photographs for most of them. The books also include tons of photographs of buildings still standing today, mixed with archival photographs and also some blueprints for the hangars and stuff. There are no ebooks available, but I think it would be legal for me in Germany to provide you with scans of relevant pages you'd need that contain the info for the airfields you are looking for. I can't provide you with the whole books, though. Unfortunately one of the books relevant to you, the one on Airfields in Nordrhein-Westfalen, is not yet published, and I don't know if it ever will be... But the series also contains a book with all the airfields in alphabetical order, but (almost) without pictures, but still with the other infos. 

 

There's also another book: https://www.amazon.de/FLIEGERHORSTKOMMANDANTUREN-FLUGPLÄTZE-DEUTSCHEN-LUFTWAFFE-1935-1945/dp/B006W6K2T0

It contains all the airfield ever used by units of the Luftwaffe, inside the Reich and in occupied Europe, in alphabetical order. It contains also the information what units were stationed on these airfields at what time and with which aircraft. It's a little hard to read though, since it is a scientific publication obviously not intended for a broader audience...

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Here's the email-adress of the author of the books: zapf4712.juergen@flugplaetze-der-luftwaffe.de

 

Maybe you could ask him directly, he should have tons of unpublished materials on the topic. Perhaps he will help you out.

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It took me a while but I got by from my mess the only wartime photo of Plantlünne I ever found; combine with the actual Google Earth location, I am pretty sure the team will be able to do something quite OK, Plantlünne having been quite an important airfield, especially in 44-45.

 

As usual, I can give assistance in interpretation if needed.

 

JVM

Plantlunne.jpg

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13 hours ago, beepee said:

Kirchellen 23rd March 1945

 

https://ncap.org.uk/frame/1-1-74-2-82

 

If you subscribe you can zoom.  You can also purchase hi-res scans from the website

Hello all!

 

Capitalizing on Beepee find, and because I do have the subscription I got the parts of the full image and reconstituted the full image (2836X2798)...the results are excellent, and you will be able to reproduce the full extent of this airfield, down to the last revetment...Please get it here:

grosfi.ch/bRcXj5sKeqN

 

It is not very big (1.4MB).

 

As usual I can help with interpretation. If someone has found another one with a NCAP image, I can do the same (I do not have too much time to check all the potentially NCAP photographed airfield, unfortunately...for instance, Plantlünne is not here...)

 

JVM

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2 hours ago, jvm said:

As usual I can help with interpretation. If someone has found another one with a NCAP image, I can do the same (I do not have too much time to check all the potentially NCAP photographed airfield, unfortunately...for instance, Plantlünne is not here...)

 

Yes, could you download some more larger size images? I have downloaded a truckload of the small, low-res images from there for this project, so getting the larger-size images would be great. In particular (for now, at least) would be:

 

NCAP-000-000-264-893

NCAP-000-000-264-894

NCAP-000-000-177-807

NCAP-000-000-177-818

NCAP-000-000-177-819

NCAP-000-000-177-820

NCAP-000-000-177-840

NCAP-000-000-177-841

NCAP-000-000-177-842

 

(The airfields in question are Babenhausn and Wiesbaden-Erbenheim)

 

Thanks!

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Here you are...

 

grosfi.ch/M5SrJK6NXTc

 

 

Is this OK? I did not get the other pictures of Babenhausen as they do not bring any additional details; this one is centered on the airfield. As for Wiesbaden, of the two oblique photos this one is the wider encompassing, the other one again does not bring a lot more. You may be however of a different opinion...just tell me! I need 1/4h of work per image.

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@jvm, thank you very much! It's much appreciated you taking the time to upload these. I'll have to look through the library of photos we've collected to see if there are any more NCAP photos that need a larger size.

 

If you could, here are a couple more NCAP images that would be good to upsize:

  • Achmer:
    • NCAP-000-000-016-288
    • NCAP-000-000-016-289
  • Bonn-Hangelar:
    • NCAP-000-000-064-544
  • Essen-Mulheim:
    • NCAP-000-000-027-704

Thanks!

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13 hours ago, LukeFF said:

@jvm, thank you very much! It's much appreciated you taking the time to upload these. I'll have to look through the library of photos we've collected to see if there are any more NCAP photos that need a larger size.

 

If you could, here are a couple more NCAP images that would be good to upsize:

  • Achmer:
    • NCAP-000-000-016-288
    • NCAP-000-000-016-289
  • Bonn-Hangelar:
    • NCAP-000-000-064-544
  • Essen-Mulheim:
    • NCAP-000-000-027-704

Thanks!

 

Here they are:

 

grosfi.ch/dAwXUE4na3W

 

I have made a composite of the two useable Achmer photos. I have added Monchengladbach but it is unfortunately at a very low scale, but good enough to make a good interpretation if you do not have anything better.

It is very interesting to see the dispersal areas of Hangelar quite far from the field, at the top of the photo!

 

Cordially

 

JVM

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Regarding to your map (https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_2019_04/BOBP_Map_with_Codenames.jpg.102bfaef1ec05f3f8b9d4591245daacf.jpg):

The cities of Wiesbaden and Idstein are inverted, Wiesbaden is at the location of Idstein and vice versa. 😉

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