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17 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

I have seen video of reshade exploits posted in another thread. Not green like this, but turning all contacts jet black, switching on and off like a light switch. Basically turning things into 'icons on'. The post that was made showing it was probably deleted as I can't find it now. Probably any 'evidence' posts that detail how this exploit was done would also be deleted, or just make it easier for people to do it if the admins don't choose to ban it on the server. 

 

Wings of Liberty and Finnish Virtual Pilots have both now banned injectors like Reshade, Finnish made that call just yesterday, and mentioned receiving video evidence of forests and clouds being able to be seen through as the reason for their decision. Not sure about other servers. What that means in practical terms is that players who rely on this exploit are likely to congregate on servers that allow it. What was once a minor nuisance of the occasional cheat, can potentially become much more of a concentrated problem. At the risk of being folksy, you don't want to be the last farmer to harvest your crops unless you like feeding the deer.
 

It's not like this is some unique crusade the admins are on , they have proceeded in good faith since the option was there and allowed injectors to continue to be used so players working at a disadvantage for whatever reason can deal with their shortcomings (e.g. the Pimax zoom issue). They didn't pull the trigger on this as soon as the patch dropped without feedback or consideration, they are proceeding on the evidence they had and are being transparent with us about their thought process and where they are leaning. 

 

 

Does anyone know how long this abuse has been around for and if it was exploitable the same before the deferred shading changes? 

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13 minutes ago, dog1 said:

when entering discord i keep getting this message , can someone help please .

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Do you already have a Discord account? You should just be able to log in. I don't often use the browser though, I just have the application.

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There is no Competition or E-sports in here and never will be the game does not even have basic Anti cheat.
Also e-sports in a bombing war (ww2)
So you have to out bomb people in E-sports fashion?

Also those wanting to push Reshade banning behind the scenes.
Dont use it, Dont care about the missions or anything about balance,
Dont care about the fairness, Just want to start trouble. 

Fact is game colour is broken and no ingame Anti A options that work. 

 

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32 minutes ago, =TBAS=Sschatten14 said:

There is no Competition or E-sports in here and never will be the game does not even have basic Anti cheat.
Also e-sports in a bombing war (ww2)
So you have to out bomb people in E-sports fashion?

Also those wanting to push Reshade banning behind the scenes.
Dont use it, Dont care about the missions or anything about balance,
Dont care about the fairness, Just want to start trouble. 

Fact is game colour is broken and no ingame Anti A options that work. 

 

I don’t think anyone mentioned “e-sports”. What we have here is simply two sides trying to win a match. If we collectively say, “never mind, doesn’t matter”, then I’d say maybe it’s fine. But that’s not the attitude anybody shares online from what I’ve seen. It’s always someone grousing about someone not doing something to help out. So clearly it does matter at least a little. 

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The sad thing about  all of this,   started by a whiner over migoto,   is that  it has been  some time  since I realized just how crappy the  in-game graphics really were.  At least with reshade you could get the game to look a little better than a bunch of flat   colors.   It's like the whole  color pallette  got reduced to flat tones.  

 

I guess we should   just be thankful  though that it is more colorful  than  Pong

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9 hours ago, Bilbo_Baggins said:

 

Does anyone know how long this abuse has been around for and if it was exploitable the same before the deferred shading changes? 

Reshade and others like it have been banned from multiple online games for years due to the abuse that it allows.  So, yes.

 

The vast majority of people use it for its intended purpose, and maybe tweak it a little so contacts can be seen a bit better.  Not a big deal IMO, spotting in this game is garbage.  The problem is there is no way to regulate when people abuse it to make planes bright yellow or see through clouds, etc.  I know I have been shot while flying just under a big cloud by someone coming straight down through it more than once.  Not often, but they do fly here.  The question is whether the admins feel that that level of abuse (by a few) is acceptable in order for others to have pretty colors.

 

It certainly doesn't help that the devs just shone a light on it with their update.  Now that more people know about it, there will be more instances of it happening.  And since other servers have banned it, those players will likely fly here more.

 

My 2c

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I have been reading this argument for the last little bit and I'm stuck on two questions. First, it is obvious that this can be used for cheating, that much is settled, but how often is it used for that? If 20% of the players on the server use reshade, I'm just making up these numbers by the way,  and of that 20% only 2% of them use it for cheating is that an issue worth taking action over? Now, I might here you say, isn't that the same argument people used when this was all about 3dmigoto? And to them I say, yes it is the same argument. It was a good argument then, too and it is just as valid now.

 

My second question, is if this kind of thing is so bad that it must be eliminated from even being a possibility, why are other methods to do similar things allowed? It was said that the ability to use custom skins will not be removed from the server, but it has been demonstrated that with custom skins you can get a very similar advantage as well as other more powerful advantages. My question here is why is this same behavior bad in one case but not the other?

 

Just to put my cards all on the table here, I do use reshade myself. I find the colors in the game, out of the box to be very drab and reshade allows me to make them look better, and in my opinion more realistic. And to put my money where my mouth is, so to speak, if I get tracked from a million miles away or bounced by a player that shouldn't have been able to see me, I'm fine with that. At the end of the day it isn't worse than some of the other gimmicky crap you see in MP regularly that is considered to be, 'just part of the game' by most people. Now you can disagree with that last point, and I expect some of you will, but that is where I'm at.

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The comparison between a custom skin exploit and this certainly has merit to me but then I’m not certain how much an advantage the former can provide. Not seen that evidence. 

 

Again, it’s their decision, their server. Reshade raises eye brows to me but if they think the damage is minimal so be it. 

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6 hours ago, MatthiasAlpha said:

The comparison between a custom skin exploit and this certainly has merit to me but then I’m not certain how much an advantage the former can provide. Not seen that evidence. 

 

Again, it’s their decision, their server. Reshade raises eye brows to me but if they think the damage is minimal so be it. 

 

There are multiple ways you can abuse custom skins. Alpha transparency to let you see through the nose and wings, or paint you and your wingman's planes bright pink for better IFF.

 

At the end of the day, it's very hard to make any measurements about who's cheating, and whether it's having an impact. If you are a cheating piece of shit, you're going to cheat anyhow. ReShade is debatable -- color tweaks and improved sharpening? Seems ok to me. Pushing the sharpening so hard that your windshield scratches look black and you can much more easily spot contacts? I'd say that's cheating. But it's a continuum -- where do you draw the line between "I think the in-game spotting is poor/broken, I'm going to fix it with a ReShade filter" and "dude, that's totally cheating" ?

 

That's where I'm worried about ReShade. If you're a full-on hacker then you're going to full-on cheat. But ReShade lets you push things a little too far into 'cheat' territory.

 

I'm still really bummed this whole thing happened. I'm glad we have a workable built-in VR zoom now, that's a positive outcome. But we have major servers locking out injectors -- both ReShade and VREM are banned on Wings and Finnish. Some VR headsets *require* VREM for their zoom to work, so those pilots can no longer fly on those servers. And all this came from a bunch of less-than-upstanding players using a VR mod in a way that was never intended, "demonstrating" a cheat (the same way they are "demonstrating" ReShade cheats today), not accepting the mod author's moves to fix the mod and remove the ability for cheating, and generally causing fuss and consternation to all. And remember, the dev team had to run around and code a bunch of stuff because of the "Migoto is a cheat" brigade.

 

To the ReShade users who today are saying "this is required, it's not a cheat, let us use it" where were your voices when VR users were getting the shaft 3 weeks ago?

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8 hours ago, Alonzo said:

To the ReShade users who today are saying "this is required, it's not a cheat, let us use it" where were your voices when VR users were getting the shaft 3 weeks ago?

 

Just my thoughts.

 

"This is required" - I would say no it's not, but it is very helpful to making the game much more visually enjoyable.  Everyone I know that uses Reshade uses it only to make the game look better, not for any super duper spotting ability.

 

"It's not a cheat" - Although on the face of it, it isn't meant to be a cheat, it can be used as one in the extreme.  The quandary is what percent of Reshade users have the knowledge to use it as a cheat and second, of those that do know, how many actually do use it that way.  Unfortunately there is no way to know the hard numbers.  3Dmigoto on the other hand did not involve extensive knowledge to use the zoom levels as a cheat.  Simply install the mod and you were off and running.  This is not the case with Reshade.

 

"Where were your voices when VR users were getting the shaft 3 weeks ago" - I used 3Dmigoto with my HMD and found it very helpful.  At the time I never thought of it as a cheat nor have I ever spoken out against it.  It wasn't until I tried it on 2D did I understand the concern.  Even then its use by others didn't stop me from flying.  The zoom gave the ability to spot at very far distances which might help users coordinate tactics.  Once within normal viewing distance however any advantage starts to dissipate.  Any Reshade cheat I have seen does not compare to the zoom ability of the old 3Dmigoto.  There is the "lime green" plane example but I'm not sure that plane would not have been visible anyway.  There is also the extreme sharpening ability but over sharpening can actually hurt spotting.  Another example I have seen is one where the screen colors, etc. have been changed to such an extent that it no longer looks like anything on the planet Earth. 

 

Whether it's Reshade, customs skins, alpha channel manipulation, etc., anyone using any of these have a visual game experience that is the opposite of immersive and they are to be pitied.  I also wonder if any of these morons actually stay around for any length of time.

 

I understand the migration concern of Reshade cheaters to the server as others ban it.  The question it still begs is how many are there in total?  10? 100? 1000? All Reshade users?  My wag is it's a very small percent of users.

Thanks for providing a great server.

 

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to be perfectly clear about playing both sided .

I have always played German . If i decide to play allied in the next mission is this allowed and then again switch back to my German the next mission up ? are all credits valid in same account ?

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1 hour ago, dog1 said:

to be perfectly clear about playing both sided .

I have always played German . If i decide to play allied in the next mission is this allowed and then again switch back to my German the next mission up ? are all credits valid in same account ?

 

As far as I'm aware, only TAW is some kind of restricted in this matter - you may fly on both coalitions but you need to have two accounts. But on CB or Finish you can switch
sides after each mission, this should not be the problem. Of course, your results will not be cumulated in one account, but your account will have two credited sides, which

makes sense.

 

This way, the balance of each mission is a bit more equalized. On TAW, although I love this server, sometimes you are faced to hordes of blue pilots while you on the red side
are nearly a lone wolf.

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There is nothing on this server to stop you from switching sides whenever you want. You can even switch sides mid-mission if you are willing to wait for a little time while a cool down timer ticks away. I'm not exactly sure how the stat page deals with switching like that but it still tracks you.

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26 minutes ago, dog1 said:

but i checked other players that play both and i see in stats its the same  name for both and all credits are merged .

Yeah your stats from both sides count towards your score.

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6 hours ago, -SF-Disarray said:

There is nothing on this server to stop you from switching sides whenever you want. You can even switch sides mid-mission if you are willing to wait for a little time while a cool down timer ticks away. I'm not exactly sure how the stat page deals with switching like that but it still tracks you.

 

I *think* the only downside to switching is that there is a short timeout (60 seconds) to stop people just switching all the time and using it to scout where enemy players are taking off from, and that if you fly both sides on a mission you won't get the "your coalition won the map" bonus. But other than that, there's no penalty. It's better to fly whichever side you like, especially if you have friends to fly with.

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i tried it again  yesterday and it worked fine , no limitations . The problem was myself since i had not flown allied planes for ages , i had to revert to tutorials  and practice in missions since  i dont want to end up with blown engines and shot out of the skies by our hot shots . By having both options widens the scope of playing the missions to obtain the best results . 

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hey mr. dog1,

it is not so hard, once when you make good joy/keyboard configuration. 

 

-set rpm on same axis/keys like prop.pitch, just opposite directions.  

- set outlet cowls same as water rad, never had problems with it

- set inlet cowls with oil rad - mostly works, you can achieve up to +5kmph in La5 if separate it

- bind together boost with second stage switch.

 

In all 4 examples planes usually use one or another, not booth. I wish somebody told me that on beginning :)

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On 6/19/2020 at 10:29 PM, Alonzo said:

To the ReShade users who today are saying "this is required, it's not a cheat, let us use it" where were your voices when VR users were getting the shaft 3 weeks ago?

THIS.

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On 6/17/2020 at 8:54 PM, Alonzo said:

 

That's ID, not spotting. I'm pedantic because the two are very different issues and we should be clear what we're talking about.

 

Poorer spotting will almost always lead to a negative effect on ID. Hard to get a positive ID on something when its little more than a vague shape moving against terrain.

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I dusted off my HMD and fired it up today.  It may not be the best one out there but it brought back amazing feelings of flight again.  With the zoom levels in the game I think I could give it a go on-line.  I also downloaded VREM though I haven't messed with it yet.

 

The only issue I seem to have are CTDs.  It appears to happen when I attempt to go into settings or alt-tab.  Has this been reported by others?

 

Sorry, this is probably OT.

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10 hours ago, VBF-12_Stick-95 said:

The only issue I seem to have are CTDs.  It appears to happen when I attempt to go into settings or alt-tab.  Has this been reported by others?

 

 

No worries, we all fly in VR on the admin team. I turned off XMP in my RAM settings and it fixed my CTDs.

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42 minutes ago, Talon_ said:

 

No worries, we all fly in VR on the admin team. I turned off XMP in my RAM settings and it fixed my CTDs.

 

Thanks.  Checked my BIOS and XMP is disabled.  CPU is slightly OC'd at 15% though.

 

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262 menace mission tips needed

When the alert comes on which grid to go to escort the jets to target its already too late because when i get there 2 -3mn later they are gone . when i get to target they are also already on their way back to base and when i get back to Eindoven there is nobody landing . The distances are relatively short and i should'nt be lagging yet i am always one step behind . Any advice would be appreciated by someone who knows this mission .  

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Found someone cheating today! 

 

I saw a "jet propelled" Fw190A-3 today, Sat 27th around 4pm, Battle of the Scheldt map.

 

cheaters name is  MEXAHUK_163

 

I have a Tacview showing him going from 390kmh to 975kmh in 10 seconds then leaving the fight at over 1,000kmh in level flight.

 

The early giveaway was that he is very warpy and turns really tight at these high speeds.

 

Tacview is available.

 

What possible reason is there for cheating in this sort of game.....sigh....shrug.

 

Cheers

 

Witch

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5 hours ago, Black-Witch said:

I have a Tacview showing him going from 390kmh to 975kmh in 10 seconds then leaving the fight at over 1,000kmh in level flight.

 

The early giveaway was that he is very warpy and turns really tight at these high speeds.

 

Tacview is available.

 

Can you provide the TacView please? (Either here, or in a PM here, or over on our Discord?) Thanks!

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From the chat on battle of the scheldt  today it seemed to have happened again, same guy. People asking about a 190 going as fast as a 262,and the guy was on the server and got three kills in a minute.

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2 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

From the chat on battle of the scheldt  today it seemed to have happened again, same guy. People asking about a 190 going as fast as a 262,and the guy was on the server and got three kills in a minute.

 

The chap is using the speedhack across servers with impunity. Have to wonder where's the Sturmovik Security Branch when you need them? 

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I'm posting this in response to some discussion yesterday on the discord channel.  I didn't have time to respond then and its frankly too much to try to communicate in that format.  This is some info I shared a while back in the TAW thread that is applicable here as well.

 

On 3/21/2020 at 12:36 PM, KW_1979 said:

 

This point needs to be expanded on a bit.  People love to post the "Mustangs never used 150 Octane based on the continent" statement - and it is a true statement.  But it gives a very false impression that Mustangs with 150 octane weren't involved in these battles because they were based in England.

 

To illustrate this, I spent a little time digging through references looking at allied victory claims for the Market-Garden battle (Sept 17-25th) and the Battle of the Bulge (Dec 16th - Jan 14).  I've included just claims made over our map area - the exception to this is the US 9th AF.  I just don't have detailed enough info for them, just raw numbers with dates and units but no locations.   I've included all claims for the 9th, but this likely overstates their involvement, as many 9th AF fighters were deployed well south of our map area - still I don't think this impacts my totals by too much.

 

For the Market-Garden battle (Sept 17-25th 1944), RAF Spitfire Mk. IXs claimed 23, and RAF Mustangs 9.  9th AF P-47s claimed 8 and P-38's 3.  8th AF P-51s and P-47s (all operating out of England and using 150 octane fuel) claimed 79 and 34 respectively!  As you can see, the 8th AF (flying out of England using 150 octane fuel) was the main Allied force involved over this battle!

 

For the Battle of the Bulge (Dec 16th 1944 through Jan 14th 1945, which was the date that most of the Jagdwaffe was ordered to the east front and air combat dropped off significantly) the totals are:

 

RAF Spit IX: 131

RAF Spit XIV: 3

RAF Typhoon: 14

RAF Tempest: 53

RAF Mustang: 9

 

9th AF P-47: 258

9th AF P-38: 56

9th AF P-51: 17 (these were scored by Tac Recon squadrons of the 9th AF)

 

8th AF P-51 based on the continent (100 octane fuel): 80

8th AF P-47 based in England (150 octane fuel): 81

8th AF P-51 based in England (150 octane fuel): 319 !!!

 

As you can see from the numbers, P-51's using 150 octane fuel were used HEAVILY in combat in western Europe.

 

If people want them removed for balance, that's a fair argument to have.  But from a historical perspective they were the most important Allied air superiority fighter.

 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, KW_1979 said:

I'm posting this in response to some discussion yesterday on the discord channel.  I didn't have time to respond then and its frankly too much to try to communicate in that format.  This is some info I shared a while back in the TAW thread that is applicable here as well.

 

 

 

What's your source? I'd love to see it since I've been working on a planeset for a server, which would benefit from that.

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8th AF claims were taken from Kent Miller's "Fighter Units & Pilots of the 8th Air Force Volume 1".

 

RAF claims come from John Foreman's "RAF Fighter Command Victory Claims of World War Two part 3"

 

9th AF claims were from the USAF Historical Study #85

 

Miller's book on the 8th pulls from USAF records as well, and includes much more detail as well as being far more readable.

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Reshade itself isn't a cheat but people use it to cheat and thus it is my opinion that it should be banned from multiplayer servers.

When I want to play with Reshade I can do it offline. 

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