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I have been giving this one some thought.  The 262 cannot be assigned missions like a normal fighter - at least I don't think it can.  As far as I am aware 262s did not do front patrols or escort or anything other than intercepts.  262 fighter units did not do ground attack.  I don't think that 262 bomber units ever did intercepts.  

 

What I wanted to do is a bit unrealistic but hopefully very enjoyable.  I am going to have 2 Me262 units, one fighter/interceptor and one attack.  The attack unit will be dedicated to attack.  As such it will be rather similar to an IL2 career, just much faster.  That is in line with reality.

 

For the fighter unit I am going to introduce a new role: INTERCEPTOR.  This will be a specialized version of fighter that will focus on intercepts.  if I only did that it would align with reality.  It would also probably be quite dull.  I will also mix in a small percent of ground attack and regular fighter missions to make the campaign more enjoyable.  

 

Feedback welcome.

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My vote says go for it, sounds like an ideal mix. Personal preference would be for the dedicated fighters to have a similar frequency of 'other' missions to, say, a 109 squadron has intercept missions. Not so rare as to be rocking horse manure, but instead the sort of thing that makes you grin when it pops up!

 

 Of course this is somewhat academic in the near future anyway, seeing as one can simply scrub missions they don't like.

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On ‎3‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 9:27 PM, PatrickAWlson said:

I have been giving this one some thought.  The 262 cannot be assigned missions like a normal fighter - at least I don't think it can.  As far as I am aware 262s did not do front patrols or escort or anything other than intercepts.  262 fighter units did not do ground attack.  I don't think that 262 bomber units ever did intercepts.  

 

What I wanted to do is a bit unrealistic but hopefully very enjoyable.  I am going to have 2 Me262 units, one fighter/interceptor and one attack.  The attack unit will be dedicated to attack.  As such it will be rather similar to an IL2 career, just much faster.  That is in line with reality.

 

For the fighter unit I am going to introduce a new role: INTERCEPTOR.  This will be a specialized version of fighter that will focus on intercepts.  if I only did that it would align with reality.  It would also probably be quite dull.  I will also mix in a small percent of ground attack and regular fighter missions to make the campaign more enjoyable.  

 

Feedback welcome.

 

Sounds great Pat. Looking forward to lots of B-25 (A-20) intercepts and groundpounding lightning strikes.

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I don't know if this is possible with PWCG...

 

Often the ME262s were attacked during take off and landing procedures.

So, maybe from time to time enemy fighters can attack them in these situations and also maybe a so called 'Platzschutzstaffel' of FW190 D9s or ME109s can flying cover at this times?

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There is no explicit code for that scenario right now, so it would have to be written.  It can happen already in any mission but not in the planned and organized way that was done at the end of WWII.  Should be possible though - create an airfield CAP mission.  Have a German unit fly airfield CAP in defense and allied also fly airfield CAP as an offensive mission.  

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Indeed that sounds very promising, go for it.

The interceptor role can not be realistic anyway, as the 262 was for intercepting the big bomber streams of B17s and B24s, not for intercepting a few B25s, so we have to be creative anyway. Might be time to purchase BOBP for me.

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Any thoughts on the 262 now that it's out? Looks like it can do ground attacks and some dogfighting. 

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13 hours ago, gad11 said:

Any thoughts on the 262 now that it's out? Looks like it can do ground attacks and some dogfighting. 

 

Going to be a little while.  I am in the middle of a significant chunk of code that I have to finish before moving to the next thing.  Once I have that done I will turn to the 262.  I posted in the OP what I wanted to do with it - as a fighter it will be used in intercepts mostly and will not do routine front patrols and the like since it really was not used that way.  As a bomber it will be used much like the IL2 - low alt bombing runs.  I might have to adjust the attack area timer down.

 

 

 

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On 6/13/2019 at 7:56 PM, PatrickAWlson said:

as a fighter it will be used in intercepts

 

That'll actually be very fun having confirmed targets going out. 

 

I don't know much about the doctrine for the 262; when it comes to intercepts are they specifically going to be after just bombers or were there instances they went for ground attack aircraft or other spotted combat patrols as well? 

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In fact they were used for intercepting the heavy 4mots high in the sky. The problem, when intercepting aircrafts down at the ground is, modern prop fighters were able to attack them diving from above with speeds, they were really dangerous for the 262.

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Yes, there are reports of them being escorted by 109's on the deck to and from target.  Most likely on interdiction missions rather than intercepts.  There are a couple of good memoirs about the 262, I'll dig through my collection but I don't remember any mention of being sent to intercept a fighter bomber raid, it was heavy bombers or it was an accident that they ran into fighter bomber formations.

 

The strategy for dealing with allied fighters was to avoid them, they could out turn the 262 and were not really a high value target like a bomber.

 

Just checked "Line Shoot" by Art Sager, mentioned intercepting 262s escorted by 109s on the deck. The only other mentions are the 262s avoiding combat and running away when spotted or when they bombed his wings Spitfires in the dispersal at dawn/ dusk and flew away.  In fact I don't remember a single mention of being intercepted on any fighter bomber mission by any Luftwaffe aircraft in his memoir.

 

Will check Buck McNair's memoir next, Galland, Neil, Busch, the Me-262 Stormbird and Horrido! Which are both collections of memoirs. 

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I am probably going focus on intercepting twin engines since we don't have 4 engines.  The targets the bombers are going for will still be more tactical than strategic.  I am also going to mix in ground attacks for fighter 262 squadrons just for the fun of it.  The ground attack 262 squadron (only planning one of each) will be dedicated ground attack.    You will always be able to freelance as well.  As with other plane types, other stuff will be going on.

 

Later, on the to do list is generating specific allied jet intercept flights.  This will be some addition fun for allies and add to the challenge for axis.

 

I honestly think the 262 will be more of a side show than the main event.  The mission types for the prop planes will be much more varied and IMHO much more interesting.  The fun of the 262 fighter will be flying a jet for a few months at the end of the war, but really it would be boring if it went on for too long..

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