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Wow... I know that there's the whole propeller torque thing and all that... but I can't control the 190 (Kuban) to save my life.

 

I'm on the airfield, just trying to get to the runway... and I know I not only have to compensate for the torque, but also figure that steering may be tricky 'in the mud'... Fair enough.

 

But regardless of how I try, I can't control the taxi.  I try low throttle, I try high throttle.  I compensate with the rudder.  I compensate with the ailerons.

 

For brief moments, I seem to have some control, and manage to get it sort of going straight, as I inch it towards the runway... but as soon as there's any deviation, I go into a ridiculous spin that is about 3x the speed that I was going in the first place (...and most of the time, I'm just crawling along).

 

I even tried pulling back on the yoke, to put the tail wheel firmly against the ground (as well as the opposite).  Nope.  Just random spins, with seemingly no way to compensate.  (And, please understand, I'm not one of those guys who drives cars full speed through turns in a complex driving sim, and then complains the 'physics suck'.  I'm really trying carefullly here.  I'm used to propeller torque and all that, but this is just nuts!)

 

Does the 109 require left and right differential braking?  That's about the only thing I haven't mapped, as I normally use rudder and/or aileron up to now.  The 190 just seems completely different.  It's almost like something is broken in the physics, because the speed of the spin is just crazy, and seemingly no amount of opposite rudder, aileron or even applying brakes seems to fix it.  It's like it's on ice!

 

Obviously, unless something is broken on my particular copy, there is just some control that I am missing here... but I'm really stumped (and bordering on rage quitting each time!).

 

I just tried to start a mission, but I can't go 2 feet without the plane spinning.  Something's wrong here...

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I'm assuming we're talking about the A-5? I haven't had any real trouble with it but a few basic pointers.

  • Pull stick full back - in the FW190A-5 this locks the tailwheel.
  • Throttle up slowly and not all at once. Not too slowly either. Find a balance.
  • At extreme low speeds tap the differential brakes (I have them mapped to keys on my keyboard because my setup is fairly basic still... this works just fine) only IF you need to keep it straight. This is not something I tend to do much.
  • Once speed builds gradually centre the stick and use the rudder to compensate for torque. These two actions kind of happen at the same time.
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You are not pulling the stick back far enough to engage the tail wheel lock. Also, if the tail wheel start far to the left or right it can skip the detent when the tail wheel spins through. Use a small amount of throttle with the stick full back and use differential braking. If you get small or no swing you are in the detent. If it continues to swing catch it with differential braking again. Release the back pressure and repeat application of the back pressure. The tail wheel needs to be relatively straight and not “swing through” to engage. When it is, it will be very obvious and the tail won’t swing. Additionally, the Dora requires significant rudder on the initial rollout like a 109 to counter the Jumo’s High torque. This is very different from the Anton’s. You can back off the rudder as you pass through 90-100 kph and it starts to fly more like the A series. The Dora is fun to fly and has her own personality but is not difficult to get a handle on if you’ve flown the A series.

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1 minute ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

You are not pulling the stick back far enough to engage the tail wheel lock. Also, if the tail wheel start far to the left or right it can skip the detent when the tail wheel spins through. Use a small amount of throttle with the stick full back and use differential braking. If you get small or no swing you are in the detent. If it continues to swing catch it with differential braking again. Release the back pressure and repeat application of the back pressure. The tail wheel needs to be relatively straight and not “swing through” to engage. When it is, it will be very obvious and the tail won’t swing. Additionally, the Dora requires significant rudder on the initial rollout like a 109 to counter the Jumo’s High torque. This is very different from the Anton’s. You can back off the rudder as you pass through 90-100 kph and it starts to fly more like the A series. The Dora is fun to fly and has her own personality but is not difficult to get a handle on if you’ve flown the A series.

 

Yeah the Dora threw me for a loop (literally and figuratively) on takeoff the first time. Phew.

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25 minutes ago, ladlon said:

For brief moments, I seem to have some control, and manage to get it sort of going straight, as I inch it towards the runway... but as soon as there's any deviation, I go into a ridiculous spin that is about 3x the speed that I was going in the first place (...and most of the time, I'm just crawling along).

 

Sounds like Pilot Induced Oscillation. 

 

Following after Shamrock's advice, I find the 190 to be very susceptible to PIO most especially when you try to make rapid corrections and lose sense of what your aircraft is about to do. So do try and be careful about making too much corrections too quickly. 

 

This is the one plane it took me a lot of time to get off the ground with. Don't want to sound arrogant, but it just might take a lot of practice to get a sense for how it behaves on the run-up. We could write treatises on how to do it, but at the end of the day it's usually up to the pilot to reign her in. 

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Oh, I hear you...  I was being VERY gentle and smooth (as well as trying aggressive compensation).  Tried every different combo I could think of...  Just nuts.

 

If I wouldn't know better (and I'm not claiming I do!), it almost seemed like the left wheel was randomly breaking, as it would virtually spin (and I mean SPIN) along the left wheel... like I had differentials on the left only.

 

I tried a gentle ease in of the throttle, compensating gently/forcefully with the rudder.... seemingly having it under control, and then it would just spin, regardless.  And this was with a field takeoff, where I wasn't restricted to staying with a runway alignment.  Trying to actually TAXI was simply impossible.  Even being extremely careful, it would spin and overshoot, and I found it impossible to even face close to the right direction to actually start going down the runway.  Seriously, I keep thinking the left wheel randomly locks up.

 

To put salt in the wound, in one of the last attempts (field takeoff), I just GUNNED it (throttle)... hoping the sudden momentum would drive the plane in a straight, forward direction (rather than ramping the throttle up slow, seemingly giving it plenty of time to mess with me).  That actually seemed a better strategy.... until my wingment crashed into me.  I swear, the sim simply does not want me to fly a 190....

 

But, in my last attempt, I did the 'full sudden throttle, right away' approach, and tried to get way ahead of the wingmen, so they wouldn't drive into me as we took off... and I FINALLY got into the air!  Even up there, it was pulling badly to the left, and it seems like none of the trimming works (neither yaw or aileron).  Does the 190 have yaw or aileron trim?  I thought it was the Spits that lack it.   With the 190, it doesn't even seem to have pitch trim.  Something very weird overall.

 

Meanwhile, I've been flying the 109 with no problems at all.... as well as the Spit.  It's just the 190 that seems so extremely different (and cursed).

 

Ya, I'm all for torque and all that....  I love to have to wrestle a bit with it, and do well with the other planes.  But something seems seriously off with the 190... plus the trim seemingly not working, on top of that.  Doing a 90 degree turn onto the runway (coming off the side field) was simply impossible for me.... Fast, slow... rudder, aileron, braking, not braking... Just completely random spins... like some godly hand came down from the sky, and gave the tail a sin like some casino game.  The speed of the spin, alone, seems so disproportionate to the velocity of the plane (or even the level of throttle).

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Differential braking while taxing is a must in any taildragger. Well, any taildragger, which doesn't have some sort of a tailwheel steering mechanism, and most planes in BoX don't have such device.

 

You can get away without diff brakes in some planes only because this sim has overoptimistic rudder effectiveness at low RPM and speeds. On the other hand, brakes in BoX are badly inefficient, but it's crucially important to have them mapped and use them anyway. Maybe the 190 is just a bit more handful in this aspect, I don't fly german birds all that often so can't spot much of a difference - counter braking and counter steering with rudder as soon as yaw stars to develop is a universal tip, which works and applies to all planes here.

 

As for the second issue, indeed, 190 doesn't have either aileron, elevator or rudder trims. It does have adjustable horizontal stab though, like in 109's, but electrical one. That's the only "trimming" in flight you get, otherwise have to deal with roll and yaw yourself. Maybe you haven't mapped the stab adjustment correctly (or at all) in game options? I don't remember how that function is called in controls screen, someone with access to the game will have to check and confirm.

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3 hours ago, ladlon said:

I compensate with the ailerons.

 

Dont bother with ailerons, they will be useless for taxiing. The only thing that work will be controled tailwheel or brakes (and propeller blast a little bit).

 

Otherwise, I think you already had a lot explanation about taxiing. I will just add one thing: Don't worry too much, taxiing is quite hard for anybody in IL2 due to the very (very) low and unrealistic efficiency of brakes... Which make the taxiing really annoying.

Also remember that your tailwheel will lock only when passing the central position (if it's at 90° position after a static turn, it. will stay unlock until passing the central position).

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Let's exclude the obvious:

1. If you start in the air, is everything normal there?

2. Does any other plane give you similar problems?

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3 hours ago, ladlon said:

 

Does the 109 require left and right differential braking?  That's about the only thing I haven't mapped, as I normally use rudder

 

This is what’s going wrong for you.

 

Unless you’re experienced with the tail wheel lock mechanism and short bursts of power- you are absolutely going to need differential brakes to control this machine on the ground. Defaults are (.) and (,) keys on your keyboard. 

 

RGDS

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If you map the brakes and follow the advice above you should have no issues with the 190 - it is one of the easier-handing a/c on the ground. That being said, slowly-slowly is the order of the day until you become more confident.

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Check your control setup... make sure you don't have other inputs mapped to your flying controls etc...

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3 hours ago, Bilbo_Baggins said:

Defaults are (.) and (,) keys on your keyboard. 

 

I find it best to use the break key simultaneously with the rudder axis. It will allow you to dose the use of the differential breakes. The only inconvenience is that it will actuate the rudder too, but in low speeds it makes no difference.

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You aren't using the tail wheel lock and aren't using the differential braking, literally exactly why you are having issues, the 109 starts with its tail wheel locked so no wonder you had no issues with that. Also the tail wheel wont lock until its straight.

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Another thing that will help in control-ability on the ground with German fighters is turning the automatic prop pitch governor off and bringing the setting down to the lowest position. This helps to mitigate the torquing effect of the prop. Do remember to turn the automatic governor back on, or manage the prop pitch yourself, before takeoff as running the engine in this configuration for too long will kill it. The only exception to this is the 190D9; I couldn't get the prop pitch into manual control mode when I tested it out.

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starting the takeoff run with full right rudder and gradually release it as needed/as speed picks up also helps.

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Holy smokes, that's a lot of replies!

 

Okay, so ya, I hear what you are all saying...  I'm going to try differential, as I normally just use regular (both wheel) brakes.  I've had no problem with controlling the other planes without differential, at all, though.

 

Yep, I tried all that other stuff...  Pulling back on the stick to ensure the tailwheel is pressed against the ground...  Going gradual... Countering with rudder...  I'm used to all that stuff already with other planes and previous IL-2 sims.  Taking off was hard enough (with this issue)... but actually steering for taxiing (ex. going to the end of the runway and turning 180 to face the other end) was virtually impossible... and again, I'm not talking about the usual, expected torque and carefulness that is required.

 

No problem with other planes, including German ones.  It's specifically the 190 (I can only speak for the Kuban module one, as that's the only BoX I currently have).

 

The uncontrollability seems very unusual and amplified in the 190... as if something were actually wrong.  Way too amplified and seemingly random... and virtually uncontrollable, as far as steering on the ground.  The brakes, for the 190 seem almost not to work, either.  I have full brakes on, yet the plane is spinning like a top.  Sometimes a full 360 rotation or more, with brakes on full, and throttle off.

 

@CrazyDuck  In the air, the 190 acts as you would expect...  pulls to the left, but as one would expect...  Not overdone and seemingly random, like the ground handling I'm experiencing.  And, no other plane gives me any problem.  Very, very dramatic difference between the 190 and the other planes.... Again, I want to point out, I'm not saying the 190 is modelled wrong... just that >I< am having (mysterious) issues with that particular plane in Kuban... for some unknown reason.  It's far beyond just 'realistic torque', etc.  Literally, it's like the differential is randomly activating.

 

@Trooper117  You might have something there!  I have to check that next time (simultaneous items mapped to differential)... that certainly would explain some things.  Actually, that's on thing I found annoying (and surprising) with BoX, is that things can be mapped simultaneously...  So, for example, on my first session (after programming in my usual assortment of control mappings), I found braking also caused my head to snap back...  and lowering the flaps also dropped bombs (which was particularly confusing the first time I was prepping to take off, and found my flaps lowered with a surprising amount of smoke!).  Only a little while after, did I realize that I had various items double mapped (mine + the default).  That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the differential is double mapped (...although, after discovering the mapping issue, I cleared all the alternative mapping.... so, maybe not).

 

 

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5 minutes ago, ladlon said:

Pulling back on the stick to ensure the tailwheel is pressed against the ground...  

 

No. 

Pulling back on the stick locks the tail wheel, meaning it can no longer rotate which I'm willing to bet is the cause of your frustration. Turn your HUD on (if you have it off) and pay attention to the tech chat to see when the tail wheel is locked. When locked it'll help you taxi in a straight line, it will hinder you when turning. 

 

I had the same thing when I first got this sim, once I realised how the tail wheel locks I never had another problem taxiing the Fw-190. 

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No, I know pushing back locks the wheel... That's how I was using it, to keep straight when I was in position (or didn't want to spin).  I tried every combo of things (including things I would normally NOT think would work... just to check all options).  Again, no problems with the other planes... or even other IL-2 sims.  Something might be bugged on my side, as the behavior seems way too exaggerated and random, compared to all other planes.

 

I have to experiment with it more tonight, when I have time.... and make sure there's no conflicting mapping (...although why it would only affect the 190 is a mystery).

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3 hours ago, JonRedcorn said:

You aren't using the tail wheel lock and aren't using the differential braking, literally exactly why you are having issues, the 109 starts with its tail wheel locked so no wonder you had no issues with that. Also the tail wheel wont lock until its straight.

 

^^^ This. Just make sure that you are going straight when you lock the tail wheel; it won't lock if you are turning.

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Ha!  That's if I ever get it pointing the right direction and am able to actually move forward!

 

Very odd... I'd be on the far end of the runway, trying to 180 to face the far end...  Carefully, I'd turn the aileron/rudder (trying various combos, since I wasn't sure which was used in th e 190 for ground steering) and slowly raise the throttle....  and sometimes it would refuse to turn... other times, it turned (often too much)... ther times, it turned the opposite way I was steering (...which may point to the tailwheel influencing things, if only a bit).

 

Either way, I could never seem to actually stop it when it was pointing to the opposite end of the runway... It would usually just keep turning, or go into an oddly fast spin.  I tried for several minutes just to point the plane down the runway (stopped at the opposite end... not trying to take off).  Everything seemed random... including the effectiveness of the various flight controls... Sometimes, ailerons DID seem to ground steer... sometimes they didn't.  Sometimes a combo of aileron and/or rudder plus braking seemed to work... sometimes it didn't.  Sometimes, it would work, but then would ignore further input, and just keep going in that direction (even with brakes applied).  Just crazy, and unlike any other plane/sim.

 

No wind, either... so, it really was a mystery.

 

I actually tried one session with the autopilot on for the takeoff... just to verify that the plane COULD actually do it properly (and I tried to observe how the computer was dealing with things).

 

Ya, looking at the apendix of the BoX manual (which I got yesterday, thanks to a post from another user), I was able to verify that the 109 doesn't have any trim, aside from a tailfin(?) trim... which I wasn't sure if it meant the rudder or the elevator.  Neither seems to work, though (in flight).  I'm used to these types of planes having maybe one or two trim capabilities (...I don't recall if it was the Spit or the 109 that lacked the one axis of trim... maybe the aileron).  I think maybe the inclusion/exclusion of various trim axis differs between BoX and CloD.

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The 190 A is exceptionally stable in the air for straight and level flight. It uses the absolute least amount of rudder input of any German AC in game. Trim input on the pedals even on climb out is minimal. You can fly almost feet off between 300-500 kph. If it is continuing to pull left in flight it is either a pilot or control issue despite it not affecting other aircraft in the sim. If we are talking Dora you have more of a case regarding slow speed handling only.

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I'm talking about whichever 190 is in Kuban (...sorry, I don't recall the exact model offhand).

 

Certainly rolls to the right, in flight (which is to be expected, generally)... but I do have to check if something is amiss... as all this claim of it being stable and easy to control is contradicting what I am experiencing.  At one point, I thought maybe the trim (which I now know doesn't exist on that plane) was offset to some extreme, and needed resetting... but that wasn't the case, obviously.  Felt like maybe the (physical) flight stick itself was miscalibrated... but that doesn't seem to be the case, either.  I thought, initially, the crazy spinning and lack of control was due to 'mud on the wheels', as my first sessions were with the 190 in a field, and the runway off to the side... but, nope.

 

No, something is wrong on my side, as this is all contradicting what I am experiencing.  Just seems, though, that any control (mapping) issue or hardware issue would also translate to the other planes... but they are all behaving fine.  And, such a DRASTIC difference, too.

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The rudder has a ground adjustable tab which is set so that at cruise speed it should keep the AC more or less straight, below or above this speed it will pull to one side or the other. 

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One thing I just thought of, that I have to look into, is the deadzone of the flight stick.  Maybe it's getting some random, phantom noise.  I know that's one thing I haven't adjusted, switching over between CloD and BoX.  I only got BoX (BoK specifically) a few days ago, so I've only configured the main controls, and haven't addressed the deadzones or anything like that.  But, again, why is it just the 190?  Everything else works great.

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Yeah, the A5 being my current masochistic kite of choice at the moment ;)

 

First thing I do for take off is, Flaps down middle position

Then Fairy lights get engaged

Then before touching the throttle, Stick straight back

Then some right rudder to compensate for torque

Then relatively slowly throttle up.

 

As the 190 picks up speed like near 100kp/h

Ease the stick to center and watch the ball as you don't need lots of rudder to compensate for the engine unlike some other kites.

 

When landing, keep a little throttle up, Full flaps down and gear.

Bring her in on a slight angle to see the runway ahead and then use rudder over the threshold to straighten on the runway.

As the wheels touch, and settle - slowly pull the stick back to engage tail wheel lock.

 

Let her roll a little along the runway with some rudder inputs to keep her straight before getting on the brakes.

 

Taxiing - a case of using the stick to lock the tail wheel to go straight with a little throttle and rudder and then for a turn, ease up on the stick a little, use rudder and then throttle and pull back stick to re lock the tail wheel.  You get used to it, sort of like a little pumping back and forth mode on the stick as you want to alter course.

 

In air, if you go slow and load the wing in a sharp use of elevators, she will drop her left wing and get you into a mess.  Keep speed up and use gentle inputs.  Stay off the rudder if possible unless you need it for a snap shot or evading a fighter on your rear.

Have fun.

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BTW you mention your stick and dead zones?

 

If you stick is one that uses Hall Sensors - don't bother with dead zones or curve mapping - keep it a nice straight line in the setup.

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13 minutes ago, ladlon said:

I'm talking about whichever 190 is in Kuban (...sorry, I don't recall the exact model offhand).

 

Certainly rolls to the right, in flight (which is to be expected, generally)... but I do have to check if something is amiss... as all this claim of it being stable and easy to control is contradicting what I am experiencing.  At one point, I thought maybe the trim (which I now know doesn't exist on that plane) was offset to some extreme, and needed resetting... but that wasn't the case, obviously.  Felt like maybe the (physical) flight stick itself was miscalibrated... but that doesn't seem to be the case, either.  I thought, initially, the crazy spinning and lack of control was due to 'mud on the wheels', as my first sessions were with the 190 in a field, and the runway off to the side... but, nope.

 

No, something is wrong on my side, as this is all contradicting what I am experiencing.  Just seems, though, that any control (mapping) issue or hardware issue would also translate to the other planes... but they are all behaving fine.  And, such a DRASTIC difference, too.

If you could please take a video of the problems you are having. Check out requiem's videos in the help section. 

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If I'm lucky enough to start in a airfield (field, as opposed to paved runway), I can generally just gun it and get it in the air before it has time to screw around with me.

 

But, having to manuver onto a runway...  forget it.  It's like someone is playing a cruel joke.  Literally like randomly a giant hand come down from the sky and gives my tail a good spin... and the controls don't seem to affect it much or at all (...again, full brakes, and I'm spinning like a top, seemingly 3 times as fast as I was originally moving!).

 

All other planes... sure, some rudder work as you snake down the runway during takeoff.  But the 190 (BoK), I never even get the plane pointed in the right direction...  It's either spinning (and not stopping when I counter it with brakes and/or flight surfaces), or it's refusing to turn, and I'm back on the grass again.  Seemingly random.  Something is messed on my side, as I know this is not how it's supposed to run.

 

Yep, I should check the curves while I'm checking the deadzone, too.  I hadn't adjusted those, either.  I just put in the essential mappings, but didn't find tune anything.  It's a real crime that BoX doesn't allow modifiers. There's so many things to map, yet they took out modifiers, making it impossible to map everything to the joystick (without external software).  Sadly, much like many of their odd decisions, the reasoning apparently is so they don't 'confuse casual players'.   Good grief....

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2 minutes ago, ladlon said:

If I'm lucky enough to start in a airfield (field, as opposed to paved runway), I can generally just gun it and get it in the air before it has time to screw around with me.

 

But, having to manuver onto a runway...  forget it.  It's like someone is playing a cruel joke.  Literally like randomly a giant hand come down from the sky and gives my tail a good spin... and the controls don't seem to affect it much or at all (...again, full brakes, and I'm spinning like a top, seemingly 3 times as fast as I was originally moving!).

 

All other planes... sure, some rudder work as you snake down the runway during takeoff.  But the 190 (BoK), I never even get the plane pointed in the right direction...  It's either spinning (and not stopping when I counter it with brakes and/or flight surfaces), or it's refusing to turn, and I'm back on the grass again.  Seemingly random.  Something is messed on my side, as I know this is not how it's supposed to run.

 

Don't gun the throttle. Once you can roll onto the runway and get the plane going straight and slow, pull the stick all the way back and smoothly add throttle (take 4 or 5 seconds to reach full throttle). Once you are going over 100 kph, smoothly move the stick forward to just aft of neutral and correct any yaw right away with small stabs at the rudder. The plane should lift off by itself nicely.

 

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Ya, that's how I'd normally do it... (and it works with other planes)...but normal doesn't seem to live here with the 190!  The only way I could get her in the air, was to gun it (and, like I said, not give it any time to screw around).  Any amount of gentleness and care just seems to invite random spins.

 

Tonight's session is going to entirely be about trying to sort out what is going on with the BoK 190.  Deadzone adjustment, external view analysis (ex. checking out the tail wheel position), checking that all the alternative mappings are cleared, etc.  I'll also try differentials, which SHOULD solve things (although the regular braking seems to be often ignored, as I still spin crazy, with full brakes applied and throttle off).

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Hold there a bit. Start on the ground. Engine off  or idle.

Mouved the stick arround and watch the virtual joystick, does it martch the real one?

Do the same with rudder

Now. I think you where using the 1 key breaking. So if you just press the key, you apply full brake to both wheels, check that, you can see un the cockpit both pedals been pressed

Now. If you press brake key, and push full rudder to one side, do you see that side pressing full brake and the other releasing brake?

 

If any of that is not true, you have something maped or calibrated wrong...

 

 

If all previos things check correct.

Now pull full stick to your stomach, you should have a notification TAIL WHEEL LOKED...

and NOW you can throttle a bit up. 30-40% STILL PULLING THE JOYSTICK TOWARD YOUR STOMACH. Once you start mouving, throttle back to arround 20-30% and correct using some rudder and tapping the brake.

All this just to taxi in a straight line.

If you need to turn, Center the joystick for half a second and pull it full back againg. It Will unlock the tail wheel and stay unlock until it's aligned againg with the fuselage.

 

For take off pull back the joistick until Tail Is locked. Throttle up ( 80% is enough) and when you reack 100 km/h you can Center the joystick and take off like any other plane

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I can confirm right now that the tail was locking.  All the other items, I will verify in my next session.

 

I, too, would assume an improper mapping, but all the other planes fly correct, and even the 190 flies correct (pitch, roll) in the air.

 

That's my whole point... this is mysterious.

 

But, I'll really put it through the tests today.  I'll let you guys know what I find.  I'm sure it's something simple, but so far, I have been unable to make any logic of it.  It's only been 2 days, though, so I haven't had too much time to really explore.  I gave up on the 190 after about an hour of struggling with it on the ground.

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11 minutes ago, ladlon said:

Ya, that's how I'd normally do it... (and it works with other planes)...but normal doesn't seem to live here with the 190!  The only way I could get her in the air, was to gun it (and, like I said, not give it any time to screw around).  Any amount of gentleness and care just seems to invite random spins.

 

Tonight's session is going to entirely be about trying to sort out what is going on with the BoK 190.  Deadzone adjustment, external view analysis (ex. checking out the tail wheel position), checking that all the alternative mappings are cleared, etc.  I'll also try differentials, which SHOULD solve things (although the regular braking seems to be often ignored, as I still spin crazy, with full brakes applied and throttle off).

 

One thing I left out is to add a lot of right rudder during the early part of the takeoff roll. 

 

I too find the 190 quite hard to taxi. I like to weave a bit as I taxi (to clear the way ahead) and I find that I'm riding the right brake a lot, particularly in the Dora (IL-2 and DCS), to counteract the constant left hand pull. What I do is: stick forward, add a shot of right brake, stick back again, several times during the taxi.

 

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Of, for sure... I generally do that for all the planes (that have prop torque)...  I'm talking about odd/frustrating behavior behond that...  Like driving onto the runway (perpendicular, from the field), and then doing a 90 degree turn to face the far end of the runway.  For me (only in the 190) it's a futile series of either no response, too much response (and sometimes seemingly even reverse response!).  I tiptoe through the motions, carefully edging it into position, only to suddenly have the plane spin like a top.  AND, once spinning, it doesn't seem to (at least initially) response to counter movement or even brakes.  Closest thing I can compare it to (for SOME of the odd behavior) is the left differential suddenly locking on its own, and the throttle (on its own) getting pushed to full speed.

 

I'm so tempted to fire up the sim right now, just to address my curiousity/frustration...

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It is more sensitive to ground handling than others. When I haven't flown it for awhile it takes me some time to get used to ground handling. I think it is the widely spaced gear for one thing, when you use differential braking it has a greater leverage affect than on the 109 for example.

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For anything on the ground which is straight or adding throttle you should be pulling the stick into your gut and locking the tailwheel. You should only unlock it for turns and off throttle maneuvers. When unlocked you need to "stay ahead of the aircraft" with differential braking. S turns can be done on the ground but are not for the novice and should be done at very minimal throttle settings.

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Yep, yep and yep...  As I said, I am very careful... which makes the sudden spins and non-responsiveness all the more unusual (and frustrating).

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The Fw-190 has wide landing gear and good ground handling. Its ground handling was considered far superior to the Bf-109 in real life, and, at least for me, it plays out in the sim as well.

 

You are describing ground looping during taxiing and takeoff. As multiple people have pointed out, this highly suggests that you are somehow failing to lock the tailwheel or failing to maintain back pressure to keep it locked.

 

I think at this point that it would be helpful if you would post a video. 

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