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Alternative for Pacific Theatre after Bodenplatte

Alternative for "Pacific" after Bodenplatte  

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  1. 1. If Pacific proves undoable, what alternative for a pacific theatre would you prefer to be developed after Bodenplatte? Battle of...

    • Spain (I15, I16, R5, SB + D.510 vs He 51, Bf109B/C/D, Ju87A, Do17 + Cr 32)
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    • Talvisota (I16, I153, SB2, DB3 + MRB2 vs Fokker DXXI, Brewster 239, Fokker C10, Bristol Blenheim + M.S. 406)
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    • France (D.520, Hawk 75, Potez 63, MB.170 + Hurricane vs BF109E3, BF110C2, Ju87B2, Do17 + Hs 123)
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    • Berlin (Yak3, La7, IL10, Tu2 + P39Q vs BF109G10, Ta152H, Me410, Do217 + He162)
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    • I don't care - If they can't do Pacific, I'm out anyway!
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Not a big fan of late war - I mean you may like some of the planes, but for the most part it was over, so campaign wise it is really not very compelling (so with that sentiment I think the Berlin scenario is not great at all from that perspective). Mid war is where it is at, imho,  where it was far more balanced both between aircraft and between possible outcomes - just my opinion. That being said though, I voted for Talvisota of the choices (I like the plane set and it was an interesting conflict - plus I know France is already being done elsewhere). I like the Italy suggestion above and also would like to see the Pacific at some point.

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I voted Berlin, but a not so small part of that is because it increases the likelihood of being able to fly my Me-163! 😍

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Spain and Finland? You really think they'd do that? They want to make money....and niether of those two will bring any cash in. France? There is no reason that you can't pick up CLOD and do that right now. And I don't get Battle of Berlin as an air combat option. What would you do with that, that  you couldn't do with the Bodenplatte map? I'm glad you aren't making the decisions for them.

Some want the Med, it seems. Others want carriers. Some say Italy. So, how about Malta? The defense of that island is quite a story. A lot of guys want the Hurricane. Lots of Hurris there. Yes, a lot of the airplanes used are in CLOD. But I didn't see it written , anywhere, that the two games can't include the same airplanes. Some folks seem to think that.

You could have bases in Sicily and Italy for the Axis air forces to fly from. They could even get some experience in doing an aircraft carrier by including The Illustrious. Might work. Still , though, I'd rather they just went ahead and did a Pacific based module. All of this, of course, is just my two cents. 

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If they can't get the carriers working then there is still plenty of land-based Pacific action to consider. The only problem being that in the main those bases are VERY far apart. So if that isn't going to happen then my personal favourite is still the Battle of Epirus (Greece-Albania), but a lot of the speed freaks here wouldn't go for it so Malta it would have to be.

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I think the main problem with going to the early Pacific without carriers means you burn much of the planeset you'd otherwise use in a fleet setting. Oddly, I feel less concerned about doing it the other way around (ie carrier to island module).

 

re: Spain and Finland, I mostly agree. Berlin a little less so - you could do a pseudo-SWOTL (without going full Go-229 etc) vs late war Russian (Yak 9, La7, IL 10), maybe some of the last minute American upgrades, and it would probably do pretty well. France would do well with early English and German designs plus a French fighter (or two). Both compared to Malta, that is. You can sneak a Blenheim and Do-17in there as well which would be tasty for the mud movers.

 

Italy, however, is probably the best early to mid-war scenario for generating income and continuing to expand into the North American/Western European markets. The German lineup is largely done and you easilly upsell Allied AC vs a whole slew of Italian marks - some of which are competitive.

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6 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

a whole slew of Italian marks - some of which are competitive.

Yes, that's a reason Malta would work. All of the Axis planeset would be Italian airplanes. A whole new air force in the game. All of the German equipment that took part in that siege are in the sim already. Put Sicily and a bit of Southern Italy in and you get a whole lot of bang for the buck with this. Then the British would get the Hurricane, tropicalized versions of the Spit Mk5, Beaufighters, Beauforts, Gladiators. I could see this happening rather than the other doubtful scenarios being brought up. Mind you, I'm playing Devil's advocate here. I'm not saying that this is what I, necessarraly, want to see. Hell, give me the Battle of Leyte Gulf! But we're not gonna see that. I'm just thinking of somewhere that I can, logically, see them going next with this. Something that I think people would like that would bring in revenue.

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Go a little later and there is more variety in Sicily/Italy - any British rigs you want plus razorback versions of P-51, P-47 and later marks of the P-40. And all of the Italian jobs plus a lot more scenery. Maybe Malta within that package if the long axis of your map is vertical.

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The Great Patriotic War in the air was pretty much composed of tactical ground attack and fighter missions to gain or retain air superiority.  The air war over Germany in 1944-45 was pretty much high altitude strategic bomber attacks, escort, and interceptions, with a dash of tactical fighter attacks on transportation that increased as the bombing campaign reached its climax.  Now we have some Western aircraft in a central European setting but the actual gameplay is still the same sort of thing that has been modelled on the Eastern maps.  Now that they've decided to do Germany, they need to include strategic bombing - day and night - or instead just sell airplanes.  Air war over Germany *is* strategic bombing.

 

 

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@Vig It's been wished for endlessly and the reply is always the same; it can't be done and won't be done - ever. Not with this game engine. Perhaps sometime in the future there'll be a sim for the strategic campaigns, but not this one.

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3 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

Go a little later and there is more variety in Sicily/Italy - any British rigs you want plus razorback versions of P-51, P-47 and later marks of the P-40. And all of the Italian jobs plus a lot more scenery. Maybe Malta within that package if the long axis of your map is vertical.

Here's the problem with that. And BELIEVE me, if anyone wants a P-51B it's me. But for Italy, the only job those Mustang did was strategic. The Merlin Mustangs did not fly with the 12th Air Force. Well, wait, that's not true. They had F6's, the TacR version with a camera behind the pilot. But the Mustangs mostly served with the 15th Air Force escorting Forts and Libs northward, off of our hypothetical Italian map. 

My scenario gives us Malta, Sicily, part of Southern Italy, a new Air Force to join the arena, and keeps it tactical. You could still use Sicily to fly P40's, P-38's, B-25's, and everything else on the inventory to hit targets in Italy and soften 'er up for the invasion. And then, you could have the invasion at Salerno. Like I said, lots of bang for the buck wth such a map. 

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Not in oppostion to your proposal. I'm liking it more after looking how a vertically oriented map would work as opposed to a traditional/horizontally oriented map. You make the P-51B work by being tangential, like our original Fw-190 was to the Stalingrad map.

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9 hours ago, Vig said:

Now that they've decided to do Germany, they need to include strategic bombing - day and night - or instead just sell airplanes.  Air war over Germany *is* strategic bombing.

 

The map they are creating was all about tactical air warfare, with fighter-bombers and medium bombers (see also: 9th AF, 2nd TAF). A proper strategic bombing scenario would require a far larger map of Germany.

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4 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Italy 44...

Nope, 42-43 gives a planeset which is more balanced and different from what we are getting in Bodenplatte. You can then use the maps for anything you like, including 44.

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I'd like a Fall of Singapore or Sumatra map.  Having the AI Hurricanes and Buffaloes stupidly turning in circles would suddenly seem historically appropriate.

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If the Pacific turns out to be too much too soon, I vote for a late war Eastern Front operation with some late war Soviet birds and more 109s and 190s. More Soviet and Axis twin engine bombers and fighters would be welcome as well. 

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B-239 didn't make it to the Winter War, replace it with Gloster Gladiator.

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I always mix up Gladiator and Gauntlet :P

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