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Developer Diary, Part 54

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I am playing this new version of the game since 2000 hours local Belgian time and it is marvelous!

One  thing to take into account now is the flak / triple A. Under 3000m it is a killer, 30sec flying under this altitude in a straight line and you end at the end of your parachute if you are lucky.  

Dive to pass your way-points and then take evasive actions to climb to safety until the next one. But it is not over done. But now a low flying pass over Stalingrad is suicidal!

 

 

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It would mean you prefer to receive your update file via ftp transfer instead of peer-to-peer.

Hum, some of us do not like or want torrents running, seeding or even in our computers. A squad mate has a real problem with this and he has turned all of that P2P, torrent stuff off in his computer and he can not install the new game, launcher crash everytime. He said he will not turn it on as it is a security breach waiting to happen. 

 

@ Zak.. Is there a way he can get it going without the the p2p tunnel or torrent enabled on his computer? Or will he have to enable it all to set it up then turn it back off?

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nope same thing.

p2p is blocked here in the usa in some regions also.

 

wish I could get you a screenshot on here but

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as it is a security breach waiting to happen. 

 

 

 

That's just not true. It's no more a "security breach" waiting to happen than leaving your computer on at all times connected to the internet. Now the software itself could be an issue, but then you're screwed anyway because simply accessing multiplayer grants the same access to your computer and game installation.

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Yup FM, I know but some people are just very careful about what runs on their computers. I was asking if it could be installed without all that turned on. My install went fine, no problem. But I dont turn services off..hell I don't know what to turn off! Winsock? Whats that ? I don't need that, delete! (Yes I did that in '96 when I got my first computer!) :)

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World of Warcraft had p2p patching/client download back in 2004.

12 million peak users.

Security breaches didn't happen via seeding. I don't think you have to worry about it.

 

But yes if launcher won't work then report it as a bug.

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Its not me.. a squadmate will not turn the p2p or torrent stuff on in his computer and until this update he could run BOS fine. Now he can't install it because of this. Its throwing up errors for net 3.5 and others. I told him to turn it all on, load it up then turn it back off. I just wanted to know if maybe there was a way for him to get it going without turning all that stuff on and while wearing a tinfoil hat!

I'm wearing mine and it works! :tease:

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Let me start by saying that I love what I have seen from BOS, even at 39% of development, but do have a couple of questions, as well as some RE: s for dubious info posted in this thread.

 

 

That's just not true. It's no more a "security breach" waiting to happen than leaving your computer on at all times connected to the internet. Now the software itself could be an issue, but then you're screwed anyway because simply accessing multiplayer grants the same access to your computer and game installation.

 

 

What about it is not true ? My computers have access to the internet 24/ 7, but I have used Linux since 1995 for everything except Windows gaming, and my Windows gaming is restricted to 1 account, mine. And I keep an eye on my Windows gaming account like a hawk, That is why this update of BOS,  has brought up questions and possbile issues for me.

 

And No, the multi-player part of BOS (or WOW), does not grant the same access as P2P services and protocols. Multi-player is handled to and through the BOS/ ROF servers. I have some trust with the ROF and BOS developers, but .....

 

A P2P protocol/ or service being open, allows anyone with a little computer hacking knowledge, from anywhere in the world, unfettered access to your computer. They do not have to be running BOS (or WOW) at all. Did you have fun with "Melissa" and all the other Worm virii that flooded computers a few years back? It is denial of security issues like yours, that got almost 500 million computers compromised and hacked.

 

But since you are so sure, and if you want proof,  you could send me your IP address and I can "show" you just how dangerous it is to run any P2P or tunneling software. And I mean, I can and will show you.  In short, I can prove it to you if you want to try to say it is not. Further, the P2P and tunneling protocols,  were developed by and originally created, by "hackers".

 

I am sure that their reasons and those of the BOS developers are different, and I am not questioning the motives of the BOS developers, but am wondering why it has not been necessary to date, to run BOS and now all of a sudden, these problems arise.

 

But on to the reason for my post.

 

I have been running ROF for over a year, no major issues.

 

I have been running BOS since I got it, worked fine.

 

I have had and do have all ..

 

P2P winsock protocols = Disabled

IP Tunneling = Disabled

Remote Registry (winsock protocols, TCP/ IP RR.dll , and Services) = Disabled

Cloud computing (all protocols and services ) = Disabled.

 

I also have many nefarious ports disabled.

 

I do NOT use Torrents at all, and my ISP highly restricts them as well.

 

As well as several other Dangerous services and windsock protocols = Disabled, or run manually.

 

These things are and have been true prior to this updated launcher. and all of the games have been running fine.

 

Windows event viewer only shows 1 error when launching.

 

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Faulting application name: Launcher.exe, version: 2014.2.21.1, time stamp: 0x53073929
Faulting module name: KERNELBASE.dll, version: 6.1.7601.18015, time stamp: 0x50b83c8a

 

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So my question to the developers. What protocols, services and/ or programs must be enabled to run this launcher?

 

I say "this" launcher, because as I pointed out, ROF and BOS have been running fine, with all the services, protocols, and ports disabled. And now BOS launcher will not work. Thanks for any assistance in clearing this up.

 

 

World of Warcraft had p2p patching/client download back in 2004.

12 million peak users.

Security breaches didn't happen via seeding. I don't think you have to worry about it.

 

Really ? Are you sure ? I think that you just threw that out there. Just saying it does not make it so, and as pointed out already, you do not even have to have the game running, for the protocols and services etc ... to get you hacked with P2P running or enabled. You can even uninstall the game, and the remnants of the P2P and tunneling SW remains. Leaving you vunerable and exposed to hackers.

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If the data on your home computer is THAT important and THAT sensitive and THAT much of a threat from P2P protocols/services/whatever.

 

Then maybe that is a home computer that shouldn't be running an online WW2 flight combat game anyway.

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If the data on your home computer is THAT important and THAT sensitive and THAT much of a threat from P2P protocols/services/whatever.

 

Then maybe that is a home computer that shouldn't be running an online WW2 flight combat game anyway.

 

Don't be too harsh gang, nothing wrong with an individual's preference on P2P torrents...

:)

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If the data on your home computer is THAT important and THAT sensitive and THAT much of a threat from P2P protocols/services/whatever.

 

Then maybe that is a home computer that shouldn't be running an online WW2 flight combat game anyway.

 

All of my data is that important to me.

 

And I am trying to find out what new protocols and services are needed to make this work. My questiona are reasonable. So that I can make an intelligent and informed decision.

 

And you are right in that I may not run this game, if I have to expose it to the security threats that some of these things can and will do.

 

As far as my right to play the game, the money has been spent, and I have had the game working, but may not continue if the security issues are more than I chose to allow..

 

But I detect a bit of SmartA$$ in your comment. and to that, I offer you the same challenge, why dont you shoot me your IP, and I can prove to you just how serious it can all get. After all, if NONE of the data on your computer is important to you and You have nothing to hide,, then that should not be an issue, right ? Is it that none of your data is important to you, or you think to no one else ?

 

You must enjoy your government and people like Rupert Murdock looking at all your personal info, phone calls, etc ..... You are not one of those people that complains about those sorts of things are you ?

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   Hi Zak followed all your install advice still no joy, just a large error page pops up when I try the download launcher. O/S Win 7 hope you can help

                                                 

                                                                 MOG Screwball

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   Hi Zak followed all your install advice still no joy, just a large error page pops up when I try the download launcher. O/S Win 7 hope you can help

                                                 

                                                                 MOG Screwball

try solution in this post

 

 

And I am trying to find out what new protocols and services are needed to make this work. My questiona are reasonable. So that I can make an intelligent and informed decision.

Launcher supports two modes.

1. p2p mode, bittorrent protocol (default), it uses port 6881 TCP/UDP. You may need to open this ports in Windows Firewall, if Windows have not asked about network permissions itself. If launcher can't get update via bittorrent protocol (or downloading speed is low) it switches to the legacy mode. In p2p mode only data stored in updates folder (downloaded via bittorrent protocal files) may be shared with other players.

2. legacy mode (web distribution). It downloads update files as earlier from Amazon CDN via http/https protocols.To force it, you need tick "Prefer web distribution" and restart launcher.

 

However if you see big windows with a lot of text - it is launcher crash, which is unrelated to protocols.

Try this solution.

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---wall o' some'in' edited out to save space---

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That's nice. P2P protocol opens up the same holes that multiplayer does, it's just different ports. P2P still operates on read only as dictated through the end client, it's not write based. So it's equivelant to MP protocol, just different ports utilized. Multiplayer is not handled through BoS or RoF servers, it's handled on many different individual systems from the client to individuals operating their own MP servers. All they have to do is piggy back a trojan on a data packet and oops! Just as vulnerable, except it comes down to the security of the program utilized and end point security as well. VPN is a tunnelling protocol, so I guess just get rid of that too huh? There's more to security than windows accounts (hah! if you think you have control over that, you don't), port closure, and windows services being stopped. There's a lot more. Do you operate your own FW complete with IDS, have an independent IPS, up to date content control and behaviour detection control systems sitting between your DMZ and your LAN? If not, then you aren't covered and P2P is the least of your concerns.

 

Your post is a lot of paranoia and "I'll show you!" nonsense that time and again I've dealt with. No, P2P is not anymore dangerous than simply opening up ports to allow MP play - the security of it is highly dependent on the client and host software as it is with anything that goes beyond locally based. Even web hosting that only allows outbound connections over 443 can have SQL injection which leads to the SQL database to be infected and every client that connects to just the web front end to query the SQL database.

 

The security breach comes down to secure software, P2P in itself is not the boogeyman your paranoia makes it out to be. That's a fact. The tyrade you just had here can be seen in a lot of technologies, including DRM, and it's always found to be paranoia driven. The nature, delivery and structuring of your post are equivelant to the "illuminati control the world" and "black helicopters are stealing my dog and eating my bolgna!" that is found in a lot of the paranoid sections of the internet, and your follow up posts prove it.

 

You want to fight for personal security and freedom, start at the most obvious level - day to day life in the physical world, there's plenty of violations of both all of the time- if the internet is the last bastion of both then they've already been lost.

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All systems " go ' with me. Lined up and downed a IL-2, but his squadmate shattered my windscreen from the rear gunner position.

 

The damage models are very satisfying from the" hunter " and the" hunted " perspective.

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taleks,

 

thanks for the info and links. So far the debug.txt has been produced, but empty, will continue with debugging. Thanks again.

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To FuriousMeow,

 

Your post, once again, is full of in-accurate dribble. Once again, for the reading impaired, BOS is not the problem, nor it's multi-player part of the game, it is the P2P that is causnig issues for me,. Your reference to VPN, has not even been mentioned until now, but again, it is one of the big security holes on the net for ANY computer user..

 

If you are not worried about or concerned with these issues, and have no constructive input, and not even attempting to resolve the issues raised, then why are you still posting about it ?

 

To the other bits of tirade in your post I will say this, "spoken like someone that has endured massive amounts of psycho-drugs. And has extensive experience with psycho-therapy."

 

I hope you get better soon.

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Well I finally got a chance to give it a go tonight. Pretty short lived.

 

First, I thought I would load up the escort mission and give that a try - after a couple of times on the runway, then suddenly seeing snow flying up from the ground outside my left window, only to be followed moments later by me blowing up - did I realize something was amiss in my controls.

I had copied my Input folder from last week's build, and pasted it back in on this week's build, but turns out the controller menu decided on it's own to see a bunch of buttons on my Warthog and assign them to what it thought they should be, dropping bombs being one of those items it assigned to a button lol.

 

Ok so got all that cleared out, loaded up the mission again - everything control wise working great, was about to fly over Stalingrad when blammo - Il-2.exe stopped working, and I am sitting at the desktop.

This is the very first time the game has crashed on me since participating in early access, so guess I can't complain too much - but it definitely crashed...

 

So blew myself up a couple of times, then the game crashed me to desktop...  gotta call it an evening now, will have another look hopefully tomorrow.

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It was not my intention to get this thread so off-topic. I had legitimate and reasonable questions.

 

If a mod could get all of this extra stuff moved to it's own thread, then maybe this thread could be saved.

 

As far as "FuriousMouse:" where is that ignore button? No need in reading the rantings of a lunatic.

Quoted for ironic hilarity. You derailed this thread, you did.

 

You need help.

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 Had to log out/log in to get it.  Downloading now at 133kbs.  Thats normal for where Iive.  :unsure:

Yeah here too (if Lucky) sucks living in rural Australia for broadband.

Too bad our Prime Moron (Prime Minister) doesnt support the NBN (100 mbps system).

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Grey wolf and FuriousMeow - knock it off. However it started, whoever is right, you both know ithe discussion is not on topic and that insulting each other has no place here.

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I really like the LaGG-3 escort mission. It is really neat watching the IL2s line up on the runway and take off, while I climb out with my wingie.  I had a blast providing cover. Thanks to the dev team and testers.  :salute: MJ

 

p.s. Tell my Yak-1 Series 69 I said hi!  :happy:

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I have pruned this thread. Let's keep it straight shall we... :dry:

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Grey wolf and FuriousMeow - knock it off. However it started, whoever is right, you both know ithe discussion is not on topic and that insulting each other has no place here.

 

RGR. Message received and understood.

 

My apologies for allowing myself to be distracted and then participating in the BS.

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No problems with the launcher on my computer. I first saved my data\input folder, then uninstalled the previous version, then downloaded the setup, then started the launcher. It took a while, the setup download at ~200 kB/s, the launcher at ~600 kB/s, but other than that no hick-ups whatsoever.

 

One improvement I noticed is the engine shutdown sequence. It takes a little longer for the engine to fully stop than it took in early versions, and the propeller is precisely synchronized. Nicely done! My shutdown sequence is to reduce throttle to idle, set prop pitch to high, leave mixture rich (as per the handbook), and press 'e' to stop the ignition.

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Does everyone's launcher still remain loaded? I initiate the launcher, click play, go through a few missions, and exit BoS but the launcher is till there - just minimized. Anyone else experiencing that?

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Does everyone's launcher still remain loaded? I initiate the launcher, click play, go through a few missions, and exit BoS but the launcher is till there - just minimized. Anyone else experiencing that?

If "seed when downloaded" option is enabled, launcher remains loaded even after "PLAY" button was clicked.

You may close it by clicking close button in the top right corner of the launcher's window.

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Only pain with this new update, is it's taking ages to re-download the whole game  :(

 

6 hours downloading, and not even half bar yet...crap.

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I really like the LaGG-3 escort mission. It is really neat watching the IL2s line up on the runway and take off, while I climb out with my wingie.  I had a blast providing cover. Thanks to the dev team and testers.  :salute: MJ

 

p.s. Tell my Yak-1 Series 69 I said hi!  :happy:

Me too, that mission is great, although I find the intercept mission a bit too easy with the 109. - most likely because the IL-2's are without the rear gunner. Enjoyable nontheless. :biggrin:

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I got to spend a little more time with it this morning.

Thankfully, no CTD so far today like I had yesterday.

 

Flew the IL-2 Ground Attack Scenario this morning ( attack the airfield) .

Performance was pretty good, however when I strafed a ground target and it exploded, fps slowed to a crawl with major stutters for a few moments, just like it was doing on me previously when attacking ground targets in Stalingrad. And this was on the Balanced setting.

 

Wish I could say I made it home ok, but that was not to be - had to jump out of a burning IL-2 at low altitude, that one hurt!

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I have to agree with you MIKHA, the  "Lagg3 escort" mission has to be my favorite so far from take-off to watching the IL2's landing individually. really love these type of missions

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I have to agree with you MIKHA, the  "Lagg3 escort" mission has to be my favorite so far from take-off to watching the IL2's landing individually. really love these type of missions

 

Wish I could make it that far to watch the land lol!

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Well I am a man, so I normally do not read instructions until I am in trouble. I did not uninstall the previous launcher just installed the new on top . It did not give me any trouble, so is there anything I should do when no trouble. Is there any wrong I do not know about?

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Little problem with the control settings: how do you set the control for firing the "rockets"?

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