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I really would like to know what Devs are planning to do with the actual clouds. They are quite nice in my opinion, but behave strange when you look ahead. Animation stutters awfully. Many people use the mod, but you can't connect to online game with it in most cases. Do you plan to recreate clouds or give us option to change cloud sample rate in the UI or maybe you don't see any problem and it will stay as it is? Would be grateful for any answer from the Devs.

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I dont use mod and I agree that there are some "problems"  with the clouds, but they are beautiful and much better than ROF clouds or in any other game.

Thats my opinion.

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Clouds are nice, I like them more then any other games, but yes there are oddities...  really frustrating ones... things that have been talked to death about...

but the devs have stated that they would have to re design them from scratch to fix.. and they don’t have the time, intent, or the resources to do so..

we get what we have.

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One guy here made a simple mod for better clouds... there are 4 lines, 4 parameters you can tweak to make it better. If you don't want to you don't have to, because they are already edited by maker.  I edited only one thing - cloud sample rate. Increased it from 128 to 256. It repairs stuttering and I didn't see any impact on FPS, but I play VR, so on a monitor it can be different. Don't tell me it is hard work from scratch to implement this solution. One option in the UI more which give us so much better clouds... I also can't understand how somebody can say the clouds are not so important in the flight sim and don't have time for it... 

 

Please Devs - tell us that it will come in the next patch.  

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14 hours ago, Voidhunger said:

I dont use mod and I agree that there are some "problems"  with the clouds, but they are beautiful and much better than ROF clouds or in any other game.

Thats my opinion.

ROF clouds are great. Which is better needs a more detailed investigation not just blabbering. Personally I like ROF clouds more.

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As long as you don’t fly near other aircraft or use external views the clouds are pretty much the best in the business.  

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28 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

As long as you don’t fly near other aircraft or use external views the clouds are pretty much the best in the business.  

 

True.

 

Just yutzing around in and out of the clouds, for the sheer fun of flying, the eye candy in absolutely first rate.

 

Perfect in combat? No. Great? Yes.

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When I was starting this thread I didn't want to start any comparison or hate. So don't start telling ROF or whatever is better.

Just was wandering what was Devs statement on this. I've red in the link above about some poll on this subject, but I can't find the results anywhere. That is for sure that actual clouds have few serious problems like spotting, animation, lighting etc. But in many aspects they are not bad. It's sad to repair these problems we need to wait forever, because that is what I here when somebody tells me - we don't have enough resources and a lot more important stuff to do. There is always new stuff on the horizon and it's great, but it shouldn't mean that imported, and basic stuff have to wait forever.    

 

So once more, maybe devs have something new to say?

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3 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

True.

 

Just yutzing around in and out of the clouds, for the sheer fun of flying, the eye candy in absolutely first rate.

 

Perfect in combat? No. Great? Yes.

 

Not true for me. In VR I can see very noticeable stuttering clouds in front of the plane. On the sides everything is ok... strange, but very disturbing and uncomfortable. Also very unrealistic. 

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13 minutes ago, P_Gora said:

 

Not true for me. In VR I can see very noticeable stuttering clouds in front of the plane. On the sides everything is ok... strange, but very disturbing and uncomfortable. Also very unrealistic. 

 

 

Well, my screen look great. :cool:

 

 

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I don't know if anyone has managed to make clouds look "right" yet. Everyone has used different techniques and the one IL-2 uses produces some amazing images but its not without issues.

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3 hours ago, P_Gora said:

screen is static ;)

 

Yet dynamic am I. 😎

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Look at this video. It's not mine, but shows the problem quite well. 

 

 

At 3:55 you can see how ugly is that stuttering. When the angle to clouds changes everything look fine like in 5:05.  You can repair it with simple mod (but than you can't enter online mode). I'don't believe it requires redone the clouds from scratch. 

Do the Devs comment something on this forum? 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 2/10/2019 at 4:37 AM, blackram said:

ROF clouds are great. Which is better needs a more detailed investigation not just blabbering. Personally I like ROF clouds more.

 

ROF clouds have their own set of issues that affect performance and these clouds were handed down to me when I took over. I would not have used them given the choice and now I don't have the time or money to change them. I don't like the jaggy effect either. Hopefully in the future we can change technology. Please just try to live with them and I've heard you guys a million times. No need to keep complaining.

 

Jason

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18 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

ROF clouds have their own set of issues that affect performance and these clouds were handed down to me when I took over. I would not have used them given the choice and now I don't have the time or money to change them. I don't like the jaggy effect either. Hopefully in the future we can change technology. Please just try to live with them and I've heard you guys a million times. No need to keep complaining.

 

Jason

 

Hi Jason_Williams!

Thank you for your post here. I'm trying to understand You (but still IMO it is more important to have solid basics than new planes or tanks... etc.) but... could You refer to my earlier post about the mod for better clouds? Maybe changing 1 line in the code (what will take 10 minutes or so) could give us all better animation of clouds. If anti-aliasing is complicated at the moment ok. But some small moves can be done I guess. Till the time you'll change the technology as you said.

 

And the most important thing - people like me stop to grumble all the time about it ;) 

 

I like Ił 2 very much and will still support you. I have the faith in you ;) 

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4 hours ago, P_Gora said:

 

Hi Jason_Williams!

Thank you for your post here. I'm trying to understand You (but still IMO it is more important to have solid basics than new planes or tanks... etc.) but... could You refer to my earlier post about the mod for better clouds? Maybe changing 1 line in the code (what will take 10 minutes or so) could give us all better animation of clouds. If anti-aliasing is complicated at the moment ok. But some small moves can be done I guess. Till the time you'll change the technology as you said.

 

And the most important thing - people like me stop to grumble all the time about it ;) 

 

I like Ił 2 very much and will still support you. I have the faith in you ;) 

 

It affects performance negatively. If you like the mod use the mod.

 

Jason

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3 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

It affects performance negatively. If you like the mod use the mod.

 

Jason

 

Ok, but If I use the mod I can't play online. All I  ask is to give us a choice. If you can put one option more in the graphic options it would be great for many and performance is no a problem in that case (I play this way in SP). In the mod  there is only one parameter that makes everything better - clouds_samples. Give us option to set it to 256 or more. Please think of it.

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