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Chaps.

 

Off the subject of WW1 fighters etc I have gone a bit left of field and taken up shooting. ( Again )

 

Bought a Hungarian .177" Super Telly ( F.E.G ) for a "hundy".

Pulled it apart, got the low down on the mechanism, fixed up the seals and a few more things.

most obvious is the "scope rail".

It's a prototype.

Works fine, yes really.

 

Essentially adding a scope to the mainspring tube is just plain bad engineering.

Fixing the scope directly to the barrel is a much better solution. ( Accuracy is primary mover, trigger is second, power is third.. imho )

 

Have a 6m range set up in the garage and am shooting at 5mm dots.

Will organise the garage to accommodate a 10m range and a nice bench to sit the pellet tin. 

AND also a solid bench to vice the gun for testing.

( So far I have done none and am shooting standing up with no rest.)

 

Not shot for almost a decade and getting back into the swing of things. ( More like the wobble...)

 

Pictures:

 

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The 17mm square tube is bound and glued on. It's reasonably well fixed for testing purposes.

Scope rings clamp on with a very good grip.

 

Loading requires a procedure ( nothing too silly )

 

Testing pellet insertion depth in breech.

 

So far I can change vertical POI just by pushing the pellet into the rifling.

( It seats in the lands and is free to slide fwd other wise the pellet binds slightly as it feeds into the barrel proper, bad reaming ?)

 

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Having a jolly old time, wish you were here.

 

Love,

 

Plank. xxx

 

PS. Dear Thor, this seemed like the best way to show you the unit, have got blue for the metal and will sand and oil the woodwork. S!

 

PPS. Yes it's a TASCO scope made for "firearm" and will probably rattle to bits with the JOLT from the main spring piston bashing about,

         but the jolt so far is quite tame, however after a tin of pellets ... who knows. Made in U.S.A. so will probably deal with it. ; - )

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the scope fixed on the cannon is a very smart idea.

I wish I were here, I have a Weirhauch HW77 among other air ifles. Outstanding quality air rifle.

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Hello Nil!

 

Well heck, I just bought a Gamo CF-S ( see CF-X ) Under lever for $180.

and it looks just like the HW77 but obviously much much much cheaper. : - 0

( But I bought the CF-S to work on and make better. )

 

S!

 

Planky.

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I love underlevers! I bought some other rifles before buying my HW77.  I should have bought the HW77 in the first place!

I have a HW30, a daisy 953, and a crap gamo.

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This is a classic design, if I am correct It is a BSA one. ( Need to do some more digging. )

 

In theory the Gamo should be ok, with some work I am sure it will be fine for what I have in mind.

( Deleting small furry creatures )

 

If I can get 20mm groups at 50m then I am totally satisfied. ( the scope is the key...)

 

Will post pics when I begin the process of "fixing up" the GAMO. ( maybe it will not be so crap???)

 

Operations will include deburing metal work, polishing internals, fixing the trigger group and finally

balancing the weight distribution  ( probably will have to add ballast to the stock heel area....)

 

Hopefully the example I get has not been fiddled with and is stock.

 

Probably won't bother trying to make it more powerful. 20 joules will be fine and less LOUD!

( unless I can design and build a sound moderator... maybe. )

 

S!

 

Planky.

 

 

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I have an HW97K I bought 17 years ago, still works great though I rarely mess with it. Neighbors wouldn't appreciate me shooting it in the apartment and I always feel odd bringing a .20 cal air rifle to a gun range along with the regular stuff. It's certainly a fun one to shoot even if a bit muzzle heavy. Very accurate btw, much more accurate than I am, at least to 20m. Maybe I'll give it a go at the 75m slot next time and just see if it can still punch a whole in paper at that range. Scope is a Bushnell Trophy 4-12x which I bought at the same time as the gun. It is rated for spring guns like mine and has worked well, though 12x is a bit overkill. I usually leave it at 6x.

 

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Hello!

 

Nice pic!

 

Go for 75m and don't worry about feeling odd. : - )

Or maybe there is an air range closer? ( Might not be 75m though...)

 

 

Hmm...

You can see why this design is heavy at the sharp end,

and the  plastic stock GAMO will be worse as the stock comb is a void.

 

Here is a list of things to DIY when I am feeling adventurous:

1) Chop off the barrel end and apply a real hecking barrel crown ( will have to pay to get that done ) .

2) Lose the fixed charging lever and make a separate carry one that is not fixed.

3) Balance the rifle.

 

I have access to some land about 12k out of town so I might pedal out there on my bicycle

to get some exercise and bag the bunnies. I have panniers etc to carry gear in.

Failing that, I can drive my car but I kind of like the bicycle and air gun combo.

Both are human powered!

 

S!

Planky.

 

 

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Here is the trigger group from the F.E.G.  ( you may want to look away ).

 

I started to dress this up a bit, the before pics are a bit naff.

Needless to say this is a rough as old guts set up.

 

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And some holes what I made at 6m.

Please bear in mind that I am standing, no rest, the trigger is heavy and wobbly and I tend to wobble about ....

( I am ok with the results so far ).

 

The fliers are interesting, I think it's to do with the breech and how far in the pellets are seated.

Seem to be lose, then friction, then then way less friction and you can feel them slide in the bore.... so yeah, heck.

 

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The three central vertical targets are todays ( after polishing the trigger and sear).

Others are yesterdays and not all mine. : - )

 

Have gotten into a quick pace, trying to get pellets on paper PDQ,  and it seems to work.

( For some reason... less time to wobble maybe...)

 

S!

 

P.

 

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i hold air rifles in my left shoulder with the right hand on the trigger since i have a left dominant eye

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Dear Raaaid.

 

I selected the confused* "reaction" as it has one eye bigger than the other. : - )

*( Up graded to "like" as "confused" may seem like a negative reaction )

Why not use the left hand on the trigger?

Left shoulder with right hand grip sounds, awkward.

But it's how well you shoot and if it works for you.

Glad to see you are following my thread! Yey!

 

Salute!

 

Planky. ( Your Kiwi friend far far far away...)

 

PS My left eye is dominant too, but I shoot right handed to "fit in". Maybe I will try left handed??? "Fit out" I say!

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6 minutes ago, Plank said:

Left shoulder with right hand grip sounds, awkward.

Awkward is only when we have bad precision because we do not use a position that fits our individuality.

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Good call! We are all individuals!

 

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And in style! the 70's ! Where field target shooting required you to wear a suit!

 

S!

 

P.

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On 1/17/2019 at 11:48 PM, Plank said:

 

Essentially adding a scope to the mainspring tube is just plain bad engineering.

Fixing the scope directly to the barrel is a much better solution. ( Accuracy is primary mover, trigger is second, power is third.. imho )

 

 

I would say the bad engineering starts with the barrel and spring tube being two separate pieces of metal. Not the way it was on my air rifle.

As for the scope, I would expect it to be designed to withstand recoil shocks, which act in the same plane for air or firearms. Conversely, I would not expect it to be designed necessarily to withstand the perpendicular shock generated at the end of a radius arm, whenever the barrel is closed.

 

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Hello!

 

Nice shooter!  I agree, which is why I purchased the GAMO CFS .... if it ever turns up....

 

Spring guns destroy scopes.  It's a thing.

A big grunty scope you might stick on your 30-06 might actually fall apart on a spring gun. *shrug*

 

I may retro upgrade to peep hole sights.... for kicks.

 

Working on the trigger group.

The design is pretty agricultural, not much one can do to make it better,

but I did take the play out of it with my special magic planky technique:

 

 I drilled out the trigger and the chassis to 4mm and used the shank of a High Speed steel drill bit as the pin .

Worked a treat.

Actually breaks a bit better and slightly less pull.

Wonders will never cease....

 

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3mm trigger pin. ( Sloppy )

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Drilling...

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Tight fit. Good!

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Trying it out. Nice. I cut some meat off the trigger chassis to ease things...

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Sear pin is original and trigger pin has been Planktified. ( 3.5 mm and 4mm respectively )

 

Sear is "adjustable" but there is some "take up" for the trigger, so erm, I will maybe shim it,

till it's not "lose" .... no phoney "first stage" cobblers.

 

May go berserk and polish the trigger till it looks super amazing...

( I have the tools to do that with ease ) .

 

Working on a new Scope rail made from alloy extruded shelf rail. pics soon.

May possibly have some really neat retaining thingies to hold it on. ( Lots of filing.... )

 

S!

 

Planky.

 

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Hello!

 

Even more bashing about in the garage.

Decided alloy tube too springy, went back to steel box section tube.

Came up with a design that is strong, adjustable tension and simple.

 

Square bar found under the cruddy bench fits into the tube.

It reinforces the tube and gives it meat to drill holes in and tap threads.

 

Gun is all back together and has a new "O"ring breech seal.

Sighting it in for 6m, will think of a technique to make sure the

scope is actually inline with the bore vertically. ( this is no easy task...)

Probably bore sight two targets in line and then same for scope.

Unless there is some tried and true method ....

 

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Yes that is actual fake MECCANO !!!! Set screw does push down on barrel and will leave a mark.

Swapped out the hex head screw for socket cap screws and nylocks.

 

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The rear setscrew pushes down on to plastic card in the sight dovetail slot, so the whole thing cannot move fore and aft.

( the screw has drilled into the plastic and rests on the breech block.)

 

I really am quite happy with the DIY stuff to date, be it flight controls or fettling guns. Keeps me well occupied. : - )

 

S!

 

Planky.

 

 

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Plank the next Ted's Holdover?  If extreme accuracy and silence is what you are after PCP air rifles are the way to go, but a spring gun is a good starting point. Definitely recommend trying out different types/weights/manufacturers of pellets to find which one your gun likes the most.

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Hello Garven.

 

I am pretty happy with the spring gun so far. It's been quite cheap and I have learned a lot.

If I was silly I would upgrade it to a gas ram, they seem pretty cheap and people say good things about them.

 

PCP is cool but it's just, a bit too techy and not that cheap.

I dallied with the idea of getting a .22 Crosman co2 pistol...

but the BANG they make.... no thanks.

My CFS is on it's way so yeah, bigger springer... and bangier...

 

I'm shooting Air Chief flat tip pellets. 8.18gr. So far they work fine. 

After about 300 or so they gun seems to be pushing them out faster.

Maybe the piston seal is working better? It's magic...

 

Hmmm... Ted's holdover has about 500,000 more subs than I could ever possibly garner... so maybe not!

 

Back to the garage!

 

S!

 

Planky.

 

 

 

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Shooting in the great outdoors.

 

Set up a 23m range down the side of the garage.

The sound is quiet, mostly the spring "chunk" and then the pellet "theck"...

 

Shot off three pellets then heard the neighbor faffing about so I called it

as they are "highly strung" and may cause a major fuss. Ugh.

But they are not always home as their dog will alert me to this with it's constant barking.

( Bored dog syndrome = bad owners.)

 

Um. Some fettling will ensue.

So far so good, one pellet on the A4 is ok.

Vertical adj is now maxed out, so I will have to jack up the scope rear.

 

I can watch the pellets fly actually. It's quite neat.

 

Pellets hit with enough force to put a reasonable dent in two thickness of

low density fibre board. A pointed pellet would be more destructive.

( may also fly better...)

 

If I can dial in the scope I will be off to the indoor range to show off my shonky rifle. : - )

 

S! P.

 

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PS. 23m is a loooong way for my vintage rifle. ( then it all comes down to "can you actually see the target" )

 

 

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Just discovered diopter/aperture sights.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diopter_sight

 

Rough and ready try out.

and heck they work, too easy.

Actually work way better than the plain old

open iron sights which came with the gun.

 

Front sight will just be plain tube and rear will be adjustable.

 

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Copper tube, block and tape on a bit of wood.

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Aperture is alloy sheet with hole bored through, size is aprox 1mm. ( it looks large but it's not.)

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Rough and ready prototype. On the kitchen table. 700mm.

 

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Compared to rifle, by chance it's the same overall dimension.... totally random. 

Will make a new "rail" that goes all the way and fab up the fiddly bits.

 

I did obviously have a peer through and was impressed. Something so simple.

Will probably give up on 25yards and stick to 10metre with the aperture sight.

 

Salute!

 

Planky.

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Huzzah!

 

New rifle has arrived. Trigger pull is super heavy and terrible...

 

In the garage faffing about and ended up with this super rough and ready rear aperture sight.

( But quite sturdy and not lose or wobbly...)

 

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The sight block  that holds the aperture is glued on to get a rough idea of what is looks like.

The aperture will be way more excellent than what is depicted here.... I have ideas.

 

but look at this:

 

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Would buy that if I was rolling in cash as it's very much the thing I am looking for! : - )

 

Salute!

 

Planky.

 

 

 

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Chaps.

Heck it hot here. My hecking blinkers!

Do NOT go out in the midday sun !!!

 

Working on my air rifle in the cool evening.

Bashed the plastic foresight off and grafting my globe foresight on.

The diopter aperture fits on the dovetail with a bit of filing. ( nothing is standard...)

 

I have a new piston seal  and a Nitrogen gas ram in the post. From "customairseals" in Australia.

Next major purchase will be a Hawke 3-9 40 IR AO zoomscope.

It's not cheap but the reviews are very good. 

 

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The Diopter is a cheapish Anschutz. Possibly a un branded one for a cheap target rifle. Or the sticker fell off...

 

Really neat design and quite sturdy.

The vertical and horizontal adjusters have zero reset built in. : - )

 

also it's much too hot to sit inside playing video games! ( GASP! )

 

Salute!

 

Planky.

 

 

 

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Back again!

 

Worked in the garage until 04 00 hrs!

 

Loped off the plastic gunk foresight and grafted on a dovetail. ( Glued and screwed on )

Fitted globe sight.   Spent a good while getting it straight. This was not easy.

 

Jury rigged a vertical grip out of wood and bits of foam gaffa taped on. :- )

Added a wee square of wood under the forestock for a better surface for finger tips.

( see shooting stance a few posts up... )

 

Dropped the stock recoil buffer down. No pics sorry.

 

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Happy flying! pew pew pew... ; - )

 

Slaute!

 

Planky.

 

 

 

 

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Chaps.

 

With what ever random carp I had laying about I did cobble together a stock/chassis for my new cannon.

 

The bent flat plate was my solution to a very tricky drilling operation. : - )

 

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Salute!

 

Planky.

 

PS. Blinking hot here!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Don't panic! It's only me.

 

I have been recently ill with some dreaded lurgy. ( Yuck! )

Resorted to using MS Paint while in bed, recovering,  to think about the rifle that is to be.

 

Pic:

 

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I made a design call and will create a rubber butt plate that is the full height of the buttstock.

This is to facilitate various shooting positions, standing, lying, kneedown etc.

Generally tidying up the prototype before going to the range and then.... redesigning

the whole thing from scratch with better wood and new mods incorporated.

 

The forestock attaching holes have been a major headache but I had a break through

on how to drill them out perfectly without a CNC mill. ( it's a secret...)

 

Still waiting for my parcel from Austrialia with my new power plant and seal.

 

Salute!

 

Planky.

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Plank

     The rifle appears to be coming along quite nicely. It does make me wonder if you are channeling Mel Gibson and are going to go "Road Warrior" on the local biker gang?  :hunter:

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Dear Arf.

 

I write to you on my death bed  (  well i am getting better ). 

 

Thank you for your kind words. :- )

 

Ahem, I am pretty happy to bop off a few bunnies out in the wops. ( and then EAT them! ha ha ha ha... evil laugh...)

 

Been scheming up new wood work from bed and had a brainwave.

So once the prototype stock is all fettle I will shoot it a bit and then move on to TYPE II.

Essentially the stock will be built up and glued to the dimensions of type I.

Possibly a few extra techy bits, like adjustable cheek bench and forestock perchy thing.

 

I slapped a really crap video on youtube. ( see if you can find it! It's super low quality! )

 

A point in favor of all this DIY stuff is this: When I finally get back into making WW1/AviationPunk DIY style flight control gear again it will be even more tidy/cooler/mutanty. : - )

 

oh it's: Time for a nap. zzzzz....

 

Salute!

 

Planky.

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Good grief is that the time???

 

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Got a bit carried away and made the stock REMOVABLE.

Three bolts and it's off, packs smaller. Yey.

 

Have some rubber in the works for the stock butt plate and have yet to make the fore grip block.

 

Pretty pleased with the work so far. : - )

 

Salute!

 

Planky.

 

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More time in the garage tuning the stock.

Took an age to get the scope eye relief right while sorting out the stock length...

Almost got it right.

 

Shoot, mmmm, adjust, shoot, mmmmm

 

Being able to shoot from your work bench is helpful!

 

Crap pic sorry!

 

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oh yes I went back to the scope for kicks. It's nice but...

I will have to get another rifle to put the diopter sights on!

 

Salute!

 

Planky.

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and it fits like a glove now. : - )

 

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Next big purchase will be a Hawke zoom scope and a decent dovetail mount.

Am pretty keen to get printing at the range.

Next hurdle is finding a good pellet for 50yards...

 

Salute!

 

Planky.

 

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Chaps.

 

Getting my eye in and handling the cannon.

Trying out several techniques, the best so far is

balance the rifle on forestock, hold grip lightly and

pull into shoulder a tad, firm cheek weld.

Breath in and then out, let the sight picture settle and 

hold exhale when lined up. ( do not completely empty lungs)

Do this a few times then shoot.

Essentially I am firing when I wobble in the right direction.

Pretty much yanking the trigger back to compensate for

the trigger pull being so long. ( It's not too heavy mind )

A point which is salient is that the rifle is a springer, and

I have to recharge for every round, this means a new sight picture and

reset of upper body. I try to keep my feet stance unchanged throughout

recharging procedure. It's very good for stance training, something you

would never do with a PCP rifle with magazine. It's great.

 

Shooting in the garage at 6m at an 8mm dot. 

( sure it's not very far but I can shoot all day like...)

 

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5 rounds. 2 stacked. 8mm dot .

 

 

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5 rounds. 1 stacked. 8mm dot.

 


This is of course standing with no rest  ( except for the brandy glass and the ashtray holder ).

 

Salute!

 

Planky.

 

PS. I will give it a rest for a bit as I am sure my audience has moved on. : - )

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