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4 hours ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

I rather have the planes we have fixed than getting new ones, P40 , P 39 engines blow up unrealistically easy, P 47 is a dog.

Imagine if they blew up like that in real life.

I like this sim , but engines blowing up needs to be fixed at some point.

 

Looking forward to the P 51 and all new planes, hope they make the engines more realistic, which by the way the 262 is the one that really had very unreliable engines, quick power burst , caught fire, it needed a precise managment.

Will be interesting to see how is this jet engine modeled.

 

 

Jumo engines were later improved to withstand quicker movement with the throttle

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6 hours ago, Ehret said:

 

What "meta or balance" you are talking about? In the "BOBP" servers it's a fiction already after the K4 was made available. Only bearable if you are very good or flying extremely conservatively like keeping 23K ft altitude in the Jug and hoping that a stray target will appear once in ten sorties.

 

The thing is... it's boring... too boring. With the 262 you will get vulching within 5m of the match start and no counter-measures. And for limitations? Everybody will want to check the new planes thus there will be no limitations.

 

The game has had a team-balancing option in it forever that stops everyone stacking onto one side. Whiners oppose it because it means they don't always get to play the best aircraft and win all the time. I've seen servers drop to 40 vs 2 before with nobody switching teams, it's ridiculous

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9 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

me262 coming faster then expected !

With about 900km/h I suppose 😎

 

Can anyone explain what the Object Viewer is for? Well, yes, for viewing objects, but why would we want that and what for?

 

N I C E! 2019 is going to be great, Tanks, WW1 and of course WW2 - I will play everything! Now the investment is really going to kick off!

Cheers!

 

 

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7 hours ago, Etherlight said:

 

Yes, all the server owners will immediately put in the Me262 without hesitation or limitation and thus end all resemblance of balance and meta on their servers. The world as we know it will end in a whimper. *Dies Irae in the background*

That is server design problem and it's allready out there, unlimited K4's with 1.98ata so usually you have 50+ axis vs. 25 allies given that allies use bombers more so end result is you have 4-5 K4 on 2 spit....slaughter lol.

At least my MP experience was like that every time i join MP (i usually end up alone against squadron of K4's)!

Now with unlimited 262 and Dora joining the wolf pack it will be interesting, axis will start to shot at each other for stealing the kills LoL.

Look at it this way, if you get the kill and get away flying allies it is really rewarding, while flying axis in much higher numbers in uber planes is not much rewarding nor means you are better pilot.

Most ppl go for better weapons, that is the human nature!

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I don't really have that experience you guys are all talking about. The only server I played on where you get unlimited K4's and stuff is KOTA. That's their decision to make. If they think that's acceptable, then yes, we have an imbalance in the planeset. But it makes no sense to moan about the way these planes in this !Early Access! title are released, if the true problem is not the release order but shitty mission design.

 

Even with all planes of BoBP present it would be a ridiculous decision to put the 262 into a server without numerical limitation. It would instantly kill the meta and there would be 2 engagements:

Engagement 1: Oh, this 262 pilots doesn't know his arse from his elbow and turns with my prop plane. Sweet, free kill.

Engagement 2: Damn, this 262 pilot knows what's up, he keeps slash attacking me while being basically untouchable. Bugger, guess we're evading for the next 15 minutes.

 

So a modicum of common sense will have to be present with the server admins for this plane to work anyway, regardless what's technically possible/released.

 

The solution is simple: Don't play on badly designed mp servers and make your complaints heard in their threads in the mp subforum so they hear the public opinion and hopefully fix their servers or suffer the consequence of the server being empty. Problem solved.

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Is the b-25 being modeled to the same fidelity as  play controlled planes? Is there any chance in the future of a cockpit being added for it down the road? Seems like it would be a useful one to have in the kitty for the pacific too :)

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1 minute ago, [GCA]T1m270 said:

Is the b-25 being modeled to the same fidelity as  play controlled planes? Is there any chance in the future of a cockpit being added for it down the road? Seems like it would be a useful one to have in the kitty for the pacific too :)

 

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Nice roadmap, looking forward to 2019...although I don't even have time to play with all the toys that came out in 2018.  :)

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Just now, EAF_Ribbon said:

That is server design problem and it's allready out there, unlimited K4's with 1.98ata so usually you have 50+ axis vs. 25 allies given that allies use bombers more so end result is you have 4-5 K4 on 2 spit....slaughter lol.

At least my MP experience was like that every time i join MP (i usually end up alone against squadron of K4's)!

Now with unlimited 262 and Dora joining the wolf pack it will be interesting, axis will start to shot at each other for stealing the kills LoL.

Look at it this way, if you get the kill and get away flying allies it is really rewarding, while flying axis in much higher numbers in uber planes is not much rewarding nor means you are better pilot.

Most ppl go for better weapons, that is the human nature!

 

Although a P-51 thread, I might just jump in here as I saw the Me262 mentioned! Well I guess where the Me262 had the advantage over the Alllies regarding speed and altitude will perhaps be lost on many MP servers.  Although I'm more of a MP player, I'm hopeful that perhaps either BlackSix or Gambit might make a campaign for the Me262 (Fighter or bomber).  I say this as I feel that the Me262 -2 Bomber variant will be easy prey down low and the high altitude Me262 -1 variant is very unlikely to be engaged up high as without those high altitude bombers there will be very little need for the red fighters to be up high and perhaps as such the Me262 will be the new toy in the shop but will soon become the next Hangar Queen.  That said, I think playing as an individual in MP as an Me- 262 will end up as a short flight unless you have a co-ordinated blue team to escort you, as there are a few MP servers where sitting on the perimeter of the airfield waiting for aircraft to get airbourne to kill is the norm!

 

Regarding your point about "Most ppl go for better weapons", I would agree with this, however, there are a few MP servers, where you will find lots of weapons locked, although I'm not sure if it is for real historically accuracy or to try and keep the sides balanced or to ensure a certain outcome. In addition, I would say that perhaps the new Spit and the p-47 are very uber, so perhaps we should all feel rewarded no matter which side you play on when you get a kill!

 

Therefore, I'm looking forward to all the aircraft in BoBp, however, something like the actual 1 Jan 1945 Operation Bodenplatte engagement, I think will be something that will be more enjoyable and perhaps feel more realistic in SP than the every-man for himself that we usually see in MP servers.  Having said that, with all of the new things that the team will deliver to make MP more enjoyable, perhaps BoBp will bring newer and fresher MP servers that will surprise us all and make the whole MP experience that more enjoyable.

 

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Nice to read !

 

No more 3rd Party collector planes planed for 2019 ? 

 

i am  very interested about how runs this concrete business.  I think collector planes are great  for game.

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1 minute ago, 666GIAP_Tumu said:

Nice to read !

 

No more 3rd Party collector planes planed for 2019 ? 

 

i am  very interested about how runs this concrete business.  I think collector planes are great  for game.

 

I think they are making the Flying Circus aircraft, IIRC

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Just now, Tuesday said:

 

I think they are making the Flying Circus aircraft, IIRC

 

Is this really code for: "They are making the Mossie"?

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11 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

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Me-262 and Fw-190 D-9 are slated to come together.

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WAIT A MINUTE. ME262 is coming next... and with Dora too? damn my heart suddenly stopped. Cant wait anymore...

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9 minutes ago, -[HRAF]BubiHUN said:

Regarding to this https://stormbirds.blog/2019/01/15/new-2019-il-2-great-battles-content-release-info/ D-9 wont be available for us in the next update, wich comes in this month. 
 

 

In the last update post of 3.009, Han stated that there would be a update in January for the U-2 (vs) adding that plane to the careermode. It would surprise me if that same update would also contain the D9 and 262. I wonder what will be added then. Because i can't imagine an update for just the U-2.

 

Grt M 

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50 minutes ago, Etherlight said:

The solution is simple: Don't play on badly designed mp servers and make your complaints heard in their threads in the mp subforum so they hear the public opinion and hopefully fix their servers or suffer the consequence of the server being empty. Problem solved.

 

Amen to that

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1 minute ago, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said:

 

In the last update post of 3.009, Han stated that there would be a update in January for the U-2 (vs) adding that plane to the careermode. It would surprise me if that same update would also contain the D9 and 262. I wonder what will be added then. Because i can't imagine an update for just the U-2.

 

Grt M 

Yes, I have the seem feelings.
Let's hope for them, and for some fixes.

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I still wonder when they are going to add the fuel management changes and external fuel tanks. The latter are not super important, but i would still want them. Don't really know why... ☺️

 

Grt M

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5 minutes ago, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said:

 

In the last update post of 3.009, Han stated that there would be a update in January for the U-2 (vs) adding that plane to the careermode. It would surprise me if that same update would also contain the D9 and 262. I wonder what will be added then. Because i can't imagine an update for just the U-2.

 

Grt M 

 

No there will be an update or two before the 262 and D-9 are ready. You have some time to wait for them still.

 

Jason

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1 minute ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

No there will be an update or two before the 262 and D-9 are ready. You have some time to wait for them still.

 

Jason

 

Thnx. No biggie. I have patience 😊

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11 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

PWCG Online Co-Op Campaign (Go chew on Pat about this) 

Sorry to derail this thread about mustang. But above cited item from Jasons list is a positive surprise for me. If I understood correctly, thanks to Patrik I will be able to fly semihistoric campaigns with human wingman(s). 👌

Jason, do you contemplate about adding co-op campaign also for core game? If it was implemented also for scripted payed campaigns, I'd buy them all.

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5 minutes ago, Brano said:

Sorry to derail this thread about mustang. But above cited item from Jasons list is a positive surprise for me. If I understood correctly, thanks to Patrik I will be able to fly semihistoric campaigns with human wingman(s). 👌

Jason, do you contemplate about adding co-op campaign also for core game? If it was implemented also for scripted payed campaigns, I'd buy them all.

 

Yes I hope to someday over the rainbow, but not just for Scripted Campaigns, for Career as well. For now, I have partnered with Pat to have him add it to PWCG in the meantime and get some feedback on the subject. 

 

Jason

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35 minutes ago, Haza said:

Regarding your point about "Most ppl go for better weapons", I would agree with this, however, there are a few MP servers, where you will find lots of weapons locked, although I'm not sure if it is for real historically accuracy or to try and keep the sides balanced or to ensure a certain outcome. In addition, I would say that perhaps the new Spit and the p-47 are very uber, so perhaps we should all feel rewarded no matter which side you play on when you get a kill!

 

Yes spit ix really is uber nice and currently best match for K4 even K4 1.98 ata is really superior.

My point was ppl think K4 and other 109's are best planes so they fly it and we have quite inbalance on certain servers. 

But other reasons are axis fly more in squadrons and are better organized covering each other unlike lone wolfing allies which end up leaving server.

About rewarding thing as i said in original post is when you get away alive while outnumbered by superior or even matching planes.

Flying Spit vs. K4 1on1 is rewarding for both sides, even it's more rewarding for Spit pilot.

P51 will for sure bring balance due to it's popularity rather than performance capability cos as always fight won't go up high.

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The roadmap for 2019 looks gorgeous Jason, thanks a lot.

 

I am sure that you will have as usual some nice surprises for us too 😉

 

May we hope a possible telemetry sharing for our lovely sim this year please ?   

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

Yes I hope to someday over the rainbow, but not just for Scripted Campaigns, for Career as well. For now, I have partnered with Pat to have him add it to PWCG in the meantime and get some feedback on the subject. 

 

Jason

Wise choice to start with Patrik PWCG. Good continuous improvement plan. Looking forward to how it will all unwrap in near/far future. Thanks for your time to reply.

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1 minute ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

P51 will for sure bring balance due to it's popularity rather than performance capability cos as always fight won't go up high.

 

A properly modelled late war P-51 would be extremely fast at low altitudes. I've seen speeds of over 620km/h at sea level documented on settings we know were ran extrensively during combat. I dunno where this idea of the P-51 being some kind of LEO satellite mixed with a toyota prius came from

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10 minutes ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

P51 will for sure bring balance due to it's popularity rather than performance capability cos as always fight won't go up high.

 

The Mustang will have the same 5m timer for highest boost as the Jug and no 150 octane fuel. The 5m is not really that long for BOBP style engagements even when at lower altitudes. Velocities are higher, accelerate/climb are higher (even the P-47D climbs 3500ft/m from SL if at 100% WEP but the timer...), planes tend to have higher wing loading and G-loads are higher, too. As the result maneuvers are stretched and 5m isn't really that long especially that it's going to be for 5m for whole sortie because the emergency depletes the combat power too and it takes 25m (!!!!) to reset both timers. Once forced to the nominal you can commit bail-out instead when against "whole sortie on the boost K4s, D9s and even 262 jets".

 

If the current timer system for Allied planes stay then expect lots of question and angry P-51 (Tempest' probably as well) pilots.

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23 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

 

A properly modelled late war P-51 would be extremely fast at low altitudes. I've seen speeds of over 620km/h at sea level documented on settings we know were ran extrensively during combat. I dunno where this idea of the P-51 being some kind of LEO satellite mixed with a toyota prius came from

620 looks to mutch i expect in around 600 by looking at this report of test at P-51D-15

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/p51d-15342.html

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22 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

 

A properly modelled late war P-51 would be extremely fast at low altitudes. I've seen speeds of over 620km/h at sea level documented on settings we know were ran extrensively during combat. I dunno where this idea of the P-51 being some kind of LEO satellite mixed with a toyota prius came from

 

Yes but those late war P-51 came almost one year after the start of BoBp campaign so not really an option. We are expecting the D-15

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22 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

A properly modelled late war P-51 would be extremely fast at low altitudes. I've seen speeds of over 620km/h at sea level documented on settings we know were ran extrensively during combat. I dunno where this idea of the P-51 being some kind of LEO satellite mixed with a toyota prius came from

 

From the in the sim experience with the P-39L and the P-47D.

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4 minutes ago, Ehret said:

 

The Mustang will have the same 5m timer for highest boost as the Jug and no 150 octane fuel. The 5m is not really that long for BOBP style engagements even when at lower altitudes. Velocities are higher, accelerate/climb are higher (even the P-47D climbs 3500ft/m from SL if at 100% WEP but the timer...), planes tend to have higher wing loading and G-loads are higher, too. As the result maneuvers are stretched and 5m isn't really that long especially that it's going to be for 5m for whole sortie because the emergency depletes the combat power too and it takes 25m (!!!!) to reset both timers. Once forced to the nominal you can commit bail-out instead when against "whole sortie on the boost K4s, D9s and even 262 jets".

 

If the current timer system for Allied planes stay then expect lots of question and angry P-51 (Tempest' probably as well) pilots.

but P-47 P51 and P-38 will have planty of nice skins, so you can look at them in hangars...

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Thanks a lot for sharing the roadmap!  Really looking forward to the remaining planes and maps, the BoBP planeset is pretty exciting across the board.

 

I called the 262 coming after/with the Dora (not a difficult prediction based on the work they showcased with models and compressibility). 

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16 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

D-15 was said in one DD 194,

 

 

and then later one of DD 202 said D-25 (maybe by mistake) , D-15 fits whole campaign so its probably that one.

 

Maybe we get first view on 3D look of it in next DD

In an attempt to "re-rail" the thread...

 

D-25 was confirmed a typo IIRC.

 

Blacksix discussed what variant to make in this post.....

I'm not sure that this list is exhaustive but this was posted over on the ED forums as far as differences between the blocks: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2252477&postcount=1

 

The big things AFAIK were the inclusion of the Dorsal fin for A/C coming off the production line with the D-10 (the fin was retrofitted to older D-5s as well though), and the K-14 on the D-20. The D-25 and D-30 have some different radios/IFF/navigation equipment added along with the required antennas and batterys for these (the D-30 has 2 on the tail, D-25 only one). And of course the tail radar showed up somewhere in there too (D-25 I think).

 

Timeline wise I poked around a bit (although by no means en exhaustive search) when DCS released the D-25 as their "ETO" mustang. Earliest delivery I found for a D-25 to the USAF was something like 2nd of Jan 45. And the aircraft still had to be transported to europe from there, which took a little while. D-25s did serve in the ETO but only for the last month or 2 of the war from what I can tell. I think the earliest D-20 I found was delivered was Nov. 44... On the other hand I found references to K-14s being introduced to the D-20 around Oct.44 (maybe this was referring to them being included in production?).

 

Anyway I think a D-10/15 makes the most sense... Although it would surprise me if we don't get the K-14 for the mustang after its inclusion on the other aircraft... Maybe if the only significant difference between our D-15 and a D-20 would be the Gunsight, our D-15 will be a D-20 when the gunsight is fitted or something like that..?

 

I don't know how the modification system works but I think a B/C as a mod wouldn't really work.... Different wings, canopy/empennage, only 4 guns. Pretty big differences. A K prop would be cool but IDK how feasible that is.

As long as we get the funky dual rear view mirrors as a mod I'll be happy 😄

 

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6 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

 

Good article. Where is the original Dev/blog post?

 

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Ah, I see. I missed it in the interval between the first posts and getting up this morning and going to the last post first. Also, it wasn't in green. Time for coffee :)

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Is it safe to say that the BoBP map will come paired with other planes as well? Like a D9 and 262? Or a p51?

 

Doesn’t say it won’t 😋

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16 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

Guys,

 

The release order is as follows for vehicles, maps are harder to judge, but I won't put dates on any of them yet because they often change.

 

Me-262 and Fw-190 D-9 are slated to come together.

P-51D

B-25 (AI)

Tempest Mk.V

P-38J

 

Plus 8 more tanks in 2019

M4A2, PzKpfw IV Ausf.G, T-34 model of 1943, PzKpfw III Ausf.M to come together.

SU-122, PzKpfw V Ausf.D, SU-152, Sd. Kfz. 184 to come together. 

 

GAZ-MM + 72K Sd. Kfz. 10 + Flak38 (Collector Vehicles) to come together after tanks done. 

 

Plus 6 more WWI kites in 2019

Fokker D.VII and D.VIIF and Sopwith Dolphin

Albatros D.Va and S.E.5a

Brisfit and Halberstadt CL.II and CL.IIau

 

Plus 3 maps. Likely in this order, but this could change.

Prokhorovka Map

Bodenplatte Map

Arras Map

 

Plus...

Bodenplatte Career

Bodenplatte Scripted Campaign

Another Payware Scripted Campaign or two from 3rd Parties

Tank Crew Scripted Campaigns

American and British Radio Calls

Air/Field Marshal Feature

Object Viewer

New MP Lobby  (Fingers crossed, this one won't be easy) 
PWCG Online Co-Op Campaign (Go chew on Pat about this) 

and hopefully many other tweaks and fixes etc. as we go along.

 

Lots and lots of stuff to come in 2019.

P.S. all this was announced in the beginning as part of our overall plan, but I've tried to give you some context. The order of the planeset releases is determined by what is possible when, no other reason. Planes can be restricted by the MP server operators if people complain. 

 

Jason

 

Nice!!!!! Waiting for that!!! 😍

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13 hours ago, Ehret said:

 

I'd expect the Me262 to be released with the Tempest.

I'm sorry to say that but such release schedule could end MP of the BOBP early access. Good luck facing all those LW whitebooks in the IX or the '-12" MP' Jug. I had tried to be optimistic before but now...

 

While I agree timing could be better, it's really nothing worse than the current timing with the P-47 and the K4 coming out at the same time. Those servers that allow all planes (KOTA, Berloga, and so on) aren't exactly balanced at this point: the advantage is firmly in the Axis' favour.

 

We can just pretend we're flying battle of moscow again. :)

 

That said, there's plenty of more balanced servers, who focus more on providing a semi-historical scenario than just throwing in all the planes out there. Heck, Wings probably won't add in the new planes until the BoBP map is out, by which time we'll hopefully have more allied airframes (not that the axis won't still have an edge, mind you... the K4 alone is still going to be the best fighter in the game regardless).

6 hours ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

That is server design problem and it's allready out there, unlimited K4's with 1.98ata so usually you have 50+ axis vs. 25 allies given that allies use bombers more so end result is you have 4-5 K4 on 2 spit....slaughter lol.

At least my MP experience was like that every time i join MP (i usually end up alone against squadron of K4's)!

Now with unlimited 262 and Dora joining the wolf pack it will be interesting, axis will start to shot at each other for stealing the kills LoL.

Look at it this way, if you get the kill and get away flying allies it is really rewarding, while flying axis in much higher numbers in uber planes is not much rewarding nor means you are better pilot.

Most ppl go for better weapons, that is the human nature!

 

There are servers out there with more matching planesets though, so it's not quite that dramatic. But yes, those servers who throw everything in, life will be hard for the allies once the Dora and 262 come out. A Spit XIV or Yak-3 would certainly come in handy. :)

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