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Does anyone have any info as to bases of operations in the southern front/1942?

 

 

I’m having an idea for a mission for you guys, but I need some info.

I also have a book at home (not there right now) and I can’t remember if there’s any info about this.

 

Mods please move this if you wish in a bit - just need a bit of traffic on it.

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Maybe this http://allaces.ru/sssr/struct/p/bap588.php and this http://allaces.ru/sssr/struct/d/bad218.php can help your quest.

 

I didn't read this https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/10/12/night-witches-and-soviet-female-aircrew-ii/ (too busy researching the war on the ground) but the pic/map at the bottom should narrow your search down quite a bit! 

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Try to translate this article via Google

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Формирование 588-го легкобомбардировочного авиаполка в Энгельсе в основном завершилось 6 февраля 1942 г. Командиром назначили Евдокию Бершанскую — до этого она командовала женским летным отрядом в Батайской авиашколе. Комиссаром — адъюнкта Военно-политической академии Евдокию Рачкевич, начальником штаба — двадцатилетнюю студентку МГУ Ирину Ракобольскую. С момента формирования 588-й авиаполк, включая пилотов, штурманов, механиков и вооруженцев, состоял исключительно из женщин. Поначалу соединение двухэскадрильного состава включало в себя 112 человек.


После проведения достаточного количества тренировочных полетов 23 мая 1942 г., 588-й авиаполк получил приказ отправиться на фронт. Вылетели 20 экипажей: 40 летчиков и штурманов, лидировали в перелете Марина Раскова с Евдокией Бершанской. Полк включили в состав 218-й ночной бомбардировочной авиадивизии — в конце мая 1942 г. он перебазировался на прифронтовой аэродром под Ворошиловградом. Нужно сказать, что появление женской авиачасти особого оптимизма у командования не вызвало. Командир дивизии полковник Д. Д. Попов, мягко говоря, был поражен, когда узнал, каких именно ему прислали воздушных бойцов. Рассказывают, что в сердцах он даже произнес: «Ну чем мы провинились? Почему нам прислали такое пополнение?» Летчики соседних полков с откровенной иронией воспринимали новых соседей. Однако, как говорится, не на тех напали. Ну действительно, что может быть сильнее женщин, отправившихся не просто защищать родину, но решивших доказать мужчинам, что они смогут это делать не хуже их.

 

В июне 1942 г. экипажи 588-го авиаполка начали вылетать на боевые задания. Это был трудный период для Южного фронта Красной Армии. Под натиском противника c тяжелыми потерями советские войска отступали от Ворошиловграда и Ростова. Не обходилось без потерь и в женском полку. Из первого боевого вылета, в который ушли три экипажа под руководством Бершанской, не вернулись командир эскадрильи Люба Ольховская и штурман Вера Тарасова. Уже после войны стали известны обстоятельства их гибели и место, где захоронили тела летчиц жители донбасского поселка Софьино-Бродское.

 

В течение лета 1942 г. 588-й нлбап продолжал свою боевую деятельность на Южном фронте, ночные бомбардировщики подвергали атакам немецкие переправы на реке Миус, Северский Донец, колонны в Сальских степях. Вместе с другими соединениями вооруженных сил полк прошел через труднейшие испытания, отступал от Донбасса до предгорий Кавказа. 13 августа 1942 г. полк перелетел в станицу Ассиновская и простоял там почти пять месяцев. В этот период относительного затишья организовали группу, в которой готовили новых штурманов, отдельную эскадрилью штурманов переучивали на летчиков. Кроме того, продолжался набор нового пополнения из девушек, которых направляли в армию по мобилизации. В течение войны в полк, таким образом, поступило еще 150 новых девушек. До конца 1942 г. 588-й полк участвовал в обороне Владикавказа, У-2 бомбили скопления немецких войск в районе Моздока, Прохладная, Дигора.

 

May 23 - August 13, 1942 - Voroshilovgrad

August 13 - Dec, 1942 - Assinovskaya

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Due to map limitations looks like I'll be going the "semi-historical" but more scenic route if I do this.

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Why don't you want to do battle for Kuban in 1943? They had the bases on our Kuban map near front line.

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Trying to keep the flying over interesting terrain.

The bridgehead region is farm tiles and I like to keep the player away from those areas as much as possible.

 

When the map gets the same procedural texture treatment as Stalingrad I'll feel differently but for now no missions over the Blue Line.

 

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Never forget that the Po-2 does not have a very long range...

But in the winter nights are longer...it compensates for the speed of the plane. 

Thank you all for your additions to this simulation.:salute:

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"The 588th Regiment was dislocated, as the war changed front, to different "airports" (which were nothing but flat fields of a few hundred meters long, prepared in a hurry to allow safe takeoffs and landings), always close to the front lines for tactical-logistical reasons. The first camp was near Stalingrad, then in Krasnodar, Novorossiisk, Kerch, Sevastopol, Minsk, Warsaw, and finally Berlin."

 

https://www.gracpiacenza.com/night_witches_eng.html

 

Gambino, I am strongly considering a mini-campaign operating around Stalingrad in the Fall since I have many templates (can't make KG 55 or StG 2 campaign due to AI flaws) for Stalingrad area decor/bases/AAA ect. But I don't want to step on anyones toes. :) This time I will create with the intent of it being free not official. So I will not waste 200 dollars on cover art or write a 15,000 word novel to go along this time... 

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14 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Trying to keep the flying over interesting terrain.

The bridgehead region is farm tiles and I like to keep the player away from those areas as much as possible.

 

When the map gets the same procedural texture treatment as Stalingrad I'll feel differently but for now no missions over the Blue Line.

 

 

But wasn't it the Kuban map the one with the new terrain generating tech? and then they applied it to Stalingrad? Kuban has a lot of farm areas but looks like they wanted to make them so, there are some smaller areas with "steppe/natural flatlands" which looks similar to the ones in the new Stalingrad map.

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No Kuban is dominated by farm tiles and other terrain tiles until you get south near the foothills, or Novo/Anapa.

It should almost all be steppe.

 

Trust me I know the Kuban map.

 

The work on the other map to upgrade them is stellar.

I know Kuban will receive the same treatment eventually, just the matter of them finding time I'm sure.

Until then however I'd rather stick to the hilly areas away from these tiles.

 

 

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6 hours ago, NETSCAPE said:

Gambino, I am strongly considering a mini-campaign operating around Stalingrad in the Fall since I have many templates (can't make KG 55 or StG 2 campaign due to AI flaws) for Stalingrad area decor/bases/AAA ect. But I don't want to step on anyones toes. :) This time I will create with the intent of it being free not official. So I will not waste 200 dollars on cover art or write a 15,000 word novel to go along this time... 

 

 

Sounds good.

I'm going with a single highly randomized mission on Kuban - so every time it plays it will be different.

That includes base vehicles, friendly an enemy AI, targets, etc.

The same sort of logic we discussed before. Basically an entire campaign in a single mission file.

(and now the rest of you sort of know what I'm up to)

Sort of a mini-tech demo/test for a Jug file I plan to build later.

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9 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

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Yes that all looks way too artificial at the moment. Good to hear we might see something more natural in the, hopefully, not so distant future.

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Fortunately there's enough terrain away from these areas to make use of, and it's very well done.

Mountains, all that water...it's a great map.

 

Making use of my preferred map regions one reason I chose the 1942 time frame for the A-20 campaign.

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1 minute ago, Gambit21 said:

Fortunately there's enough terrain away from these areas to make use of, and it's very well done.

Mountains, all that water...it's a great map.

 

Making use of my preferred map regions one reason I chose the 1942 time frame for the A-20 campaign.

 

Once that terrain thing is solved we might see some Maikop area air battles of late 1942. Too much of that great map isn´t used at the moment, IMHO.

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Maikop area is basically where I'm centering the U2 mission, close to foothills though.

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3 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Maikop area is basically where I'm centering the U2 mission, close to foothills though.

 

Looking forward to it.

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6 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

It should almost all be steppe.

Really? On recent aerial photos the area looks exactly like we have it in the game, with lots of fields. Or has the landscape changed after the war?

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Not sure - maybe more of it was farm than I thought back then. I was just going by wartime photos that I found near Maikop etc while doing research. I’m certainly no expert on the regeon.

 

 

In any case there’s enough area that suits my needs nicely. Not belittling the map at all. Can’t beat it - those mountains are spectacular and the water is a very nice addition to the sim as well.

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If you're interested, it's the real map of the main bridgehead region for April 1943.

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I dare say that our map is ok in this part of Taman peninsula and I'd like to do any campaign in this area.

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If there are parts of the Kuban map that are repetitive I dare say I haven't really noticed them, before the upgrade Stalingrad's issues were really blatant but I've never had a problem with Kuban

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Thanks for posting that Alex.

I’m experimenting with a 1943 option too. Liberation of Novorossiysk etc.Historicallt viable and that would of course place the player base up north a bit and the Novorossiysk area of the map is quite nice as well.

 

Down low especially I’m not bothered by the flatlands so much - I just prefer the vegetated areas. :)

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I've done a lot of "sight seeing" flights out of Maikop south towards the sea, and that area is not only stunningly beautiful, but sadly, under utilized.

I know Maikop was the oil field area that the Germans were pushing for, but I see nothing that looks like oil field production areas there.  Where were the oil fields, and what did they look like?

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The Maikop oil fields are not on the map unfortunately. I created an installation at Maikop and set it afire for the A-20 campaign since I made use of that region. I was unable to find and aerial shots or references for precise location/layout.

So I just winged it.

 

 

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From what I've read the oil pipeline went from Maikop to the south to the  port of Tuapse. From there on the oil got transported all the way to Spain for instance.

Since more than a hundred years there is also a road from Maikop to Tuapse ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Maikopmap.gif ).

On this modern satellite image there is a line cut all the way through the woods leading southwards. Parallel to road. It would not surprise me if that used to be the old pipeline.

https://zoom.earth/#44.578072,40.053963,15z,sat

And where the line stops near the river there might have been the oil fields? It still looks barren and it's a small area. The oil fields seem to have been the smallest indeed.

 

It is guesswork of course and surprisingly enough there is hardly any information to find about it. While the Germans documented everything.

 

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2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

The Maikop oil fields are not on the map unfortunately. I created an installation at Maikop and set it afire for the A-20 campaign since I made use of that region. I was unable to find and aerial shots or references for precise location/layout.

So I just winged it.

 

Neftegorsk and Neftyanaya is where you want to look.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Neftegorsk,+Region+Krasnodar

 

 

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 Not that it helps much of how the oil fields look like but the video starts with the Maikop oil storage set afire.

 

 

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