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1 hour ago, pfrances said:

I want to experience the attack on the Tirpitz so let's get Norway!!

 

YES! Ok... never mind Korea then😂 Mossies and Beaufighters in the western fjords would be cool too...

 

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I think, it is necessary for the sim to be developed further in order to attract new members.

This cannot be achive by Korea or the x installment based on the Estern Front.

The PTO has everything we need. New components, as ships, torpedo bombers and. a new landscape with green  islands in a blue ocean.

New kinds of weather and navigation needs to find carriers in sunset times.

Maybe a great deal of work, but maybe the most rewarding, too. :rolleyes:

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I think after Bodenplatte they will move onto the Pacific. If not, then I think they will do the Eastern front after Kuban, such as Kursk, Smolensk (1943), Bagration, Hungary or Finland. I believe that it’s too soon to do Normandy after D-Day or Berlin due to key bombers and aircraft that need to be made. If the Mediterranean is done, then it will probably be limited to Greece, Algeria and Morocco, and Italy, minus Sicily, due to the fact that the rest will be covered by Cliffs of Dover and the devs don’t want to canniblize the product. I believe D-Day will also be covered be CoD because it makes sense, considering the fact that it also covers the Battle of Britain.

 

Lets hope that the Pacific doesn’t get delayed again and that they do the Battle of Guadalcanal😃

Probably after the Pacific is when the Allied advances after Normandy ( except for the Tank battles) and Berlin will be done.

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On 11/5/2018 at 9:24 AM, kissklas said:

 

YES! Ok... never mind Korea then😂 Mossies and Beaufighters in the western fjords would be cool too...

 

 

Intriguing but I don’t think it’s practical. What is your six or eight plane set? I’m thinking Pacific is next. BoBP bought them the time to get their docs in order for Japanese aircraft.  Maybe a slight name shift to BoMidway: Carrier Ops and then Guadalcanal/Solomon’s. Probably back east for the last installment in that arena. Wishlist is The Italian boot and Sicily the. Korea seems inevitable and I don’t mean that in a negative way.

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i *know* we have Clod but id love BoB and italy/north Africa.

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7 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

 

Intriguing but I don’t think it’s practical. What is your six or eight plane set? I’m thinking Pacific is next. BoBP bought them the time to get their docs in order for Japanese aircraft.  Maybe a slight name shift to BoMidway: Carrier Ops and then Guadalcanal/Solomon’s. Probably back east for the last installment in that arena. Wishlist is The Italian boot and Sicily the. Korea seems inevitable and I don’t mean that in a negative way.

 

Yeah, it wasn't entirely serious that statement but being Norwegian I would find it interesting for sure. Agree on Pacific. A logical next step in terms of game mechanics would be carriers and torpedoes, so it makes sense. And it might be a good start platform for Korea as well. I do however think that a halt in WW2 content development while doing a Korea module could frustrate a substantial segment of the player base

As far as Norwegian campaigns go, I think you would need to make that a module spanning over several years as far as battles and planeset. There were a lot of activity in the fjords during the war, but not that many continuous battles for air superiority. More to cripple the navy, or take out certain infrastructure. Also, any battle without a carrier or actual Norwegian/Allied held airfields (like they had in the north in 1940) the allied would be forced to air start.

 

Not the easiest of theatres to make fun and balanced as far as dogfights go. Early war the allies were throwing low numbers of Glosters and Hurricanes at the German war machine before eventually pulling out. The invasion day featured something like 7 Gladiator mk.II, with mk.I props, against closer to a 100 heavy German aircraft so that's no fun:-p Raiding with escorts and intercepting is where the gameplay would need to be I think. But yeah, I'm unsure it would justify a full module. A single map and some collector planes maybe.

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1 hour ago, kissklas said:

Also, any battle without a carrier or actual Norwegian/Allied held airfields (like they had in the north in 1940) the allied would be forced to air start.

 

It's good to know, that they actually had an airfield - I imagine that air starts would have been quite challenging at the time, don't you?

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32 minutes ago, -IRRE-Therion said:

 

It's good to know, that they actually had an airfield - I imagine that air starts would have been quite challenging at the time, don't you?

 

No no, I believe they had a giant slingshot somewhere in the British isles!

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3 hours ago, kissklas said:

 

But yeah, I'm unsure it would justify a full module. A single map and some collector planes maybe.

 

This, I think, is where BoX will have to head after the Pacific is started. Any further Eastern Front expansion will be struggling to put together a balanced planeset because we have a lot of the major aircraft already. Same with the Japanese Navy - how many marks of Zero do we need? Midway, the Slot and New Guinea would use up a lot of the available aircraft in the theatre.

I would be more than happy to buy standalone maps and small plane packs rather than a rather forced Battle of X scenario.

 

My personal favourite for a new BoX though would be the Battle of Epirus - the Italian invasion of northern Greece. Never been done; four air forces. Regia Aeronautica, Hellenic Air Force, RAF, Luftwaffe and an interesting initial plane set...

 

Italy -

 

Fiat CR.42

Fiat G.50bis

Junkers Ju87B2/R5

Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 or Fiat BR.20

 

Macchi C.200 (Collector Plane)

 

Greece -

 

PZL P.24

Gloster Gladiator I/II

Fairey Battle

Bristol Blenheim IV

 

Bloch MB.151 (Collector plane)

 

RAF/Luftwaffe add-on pack

 

Hawker Hurricane I

Bristol Blenheim I/IF

Dornier Do17Z

Henschel Hs126

 

 

I was well into making a map for this scenario in Il-2 46 but never finished it. It's a great landscape.

 

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2 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

This, I think, is where BoX will have to head after the Pacific is started. Any further Eastern Front expansion will be struggling to put together a balanced planeset because we have a lot of the major aircraft already.

 


The nice thing about this, is that a lot of the planes we already have were used in different situations. As the plane park keeps growing, the more scenarios you can have, just my adding the environment (not that it's any easy task in itself).

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46 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

Bloch MB.151 (Collector plane)

 

Now that would be a blast! Never really done correctly / professionally. With that said we should finally see some other planes

like the Devoitine 520, the Potez 63, both planes never modeled professionally too.

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If they do not keep their word to go to the Pacific, IMHO that would be the begging of the end. I am pretty sure they are fully aware of it.

Jason said long time ago how much of a dream it was for him to do the PTO, if I recall correctly.

In short …. PACIFIC! :gamer:

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Yup everybody including me would love to go "pto". As always I'm trying too look at things realistic so

having in mind current state of the tech etc. I'm not entirely sure it's doable.

The game struggles sometimes when there are at the same area some bombers fighters  and ground targets . How would it look like when you would be attacking a fleet with thousands of aaa guns blazing and a squadron of bombers...(not to speak about larger air groups)

Showing those grate battles with only few planes and  ships instead of the big fleets to have at least minimum performance would be sad.

 

So maybe a ground based 1940s scenario like java or new guine or 1950s Korea(where some limited cv  operation could be introduced and tested/refined as only one side had them and they were never attacked) would be better to let the tech and code grow.

Sometimes it's better to make small but steady steps.

 

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On 11/7/2018 at 1:14 PM, 216th_Cat said:

Any further Eastern Front expansion will be struggling to put together a balanced planeset because we have a lot of the major aircraft already.

 

What about Finland then?

 

Fokker XXI, Brewster Buffalo, MS.406, Blenheim Mk.I and IV, Do.22 Kl etc. on the Finnish side and Hurricanes, IL-4, DB-3M, etc. on the Soviet side. Most of these could be used in other parts of the Eastern Front, or by servers and individuals interested in setting up scenarios for specific encounters on other fronts.

 

A map from Kirkenes/Petsamo to Murmansk would be neat. And, there is a community team already researching a map of the Lost Karelia... https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/37961-il-2-battle-of-finland/?do=findComment&comment=677216

 

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I have had to make the difficult choice to postpone, NOT CANCEL our plans to go to the Pacific theater. The reasons for this are many and have everything to do with the complexity of the subject (Ships, Japanese Aircraft) and the inability to marshal the required resources to develop this content up to the standards you expect and in a reasonable time frame and within a budget we could afford. I have not taken these steps lightly and for fans of the PTO, of which I am the biggest, this was not something I wanted to do. But the dream still lives!  

 

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On 11/8/2018 at 6:25 PM, xvii-Dietrich said:

 

What about Finland then?

 

Fokker XXI, Brewster Buffalo, MS.406, Blenheim Mk.I and IV, Do.22 Kl etc. on the Finnish side and Hurricanes, IL-4, DB-3M, etc. on the Soviet side. Most of these could be used in other parts of the Eastern Front, or by servers and individuals interested in setting up scenarios for specific encounters on other fronts.

 

A map from Kirkenes/Petsamo to Murmansk would be neat. And, there is a community team already researching a map of the Lost Karelia... https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/37961-il-2-battle-of-finland/?do=findComment&comment=677216

 

 

Was the Curtiss Hawk 75 used by the Finns? It’s not a conflict I’m familiar with.

 

If so... a set of Fokker XXI, Hawk 75, MS.406, Hurricane mk I and Blenheim mk I (or IV) could pull double-duty as a Battle of France set. 

It would be ambitious and take longer, but could release that set with an early Luftwaffe set (maybe 109E-1/4, Ju-87B, Hs-123, 110C, Do-17 for example) as well as the appropriate VVS set (could be DB-3, I-153, Su-2, early LaGG or Yak, maybe find a home for the Li-2 here). 

 

Bundled with the Karelia map plus a 1939/40 version of Bodenplatte.

 

Then there’s three plane sets, two maps and two separate theatres that can be covered as standard. All the Luftwaffe and Finnish aircraft can be used in both theatres. 

 

Two birds with one stone - an Eastern Front release that is covering new ground and offers something different, and a Western Europe setting for people who want more done with that. 

Also avoids the issue of running out of late-war uber planes and needing to go to Korea for jets or to ‘46 paper planes. 

 

Just thinking out loud here. 

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Even if they can't do PTO because of actual difficulties, I only hope that they only pay attention to World War II. If they really do Korean war, it is when I leave IL2.

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Italy 1944 - 1945

Macchi 205

Fiat G-55

G-10 (G-10 Erla, C3)

Me-410

G-14AS

 

Spitifire Mk.VIII (L.F, H.F, CW)

Mosquito

B-26

A-20G

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42 minutes ago, 150GCT_Veltro said:

Italy 1944 - 1945

Macchi 205

Fiat G-55

G-10 (G-10 Erla, C3)

Me-410

G-14AS

 

Spitifire Mk.VIII (L.F, H.F, CW)

Mosquito

B-26

A-20G

?

 

I think this part of Italy is not so interesting. I'd prefer BoSi - Battle of Sicily. Operation Husky - it was a tactical operation which would fit in the meta of BoX. And it has a very interesting planeset, of which we already have some aircraft: 109 G2, G4, G6, 190 A5, Mc 202 and pretty much all the German bombers and ground attackers.

In addition we have already Spit Mk.5, P-38J, P40, P-39 (one of the few occasions the US used it against Germans), A-20 and the B-25 (if it's coming for Bodenplatte).

The planeset of BoSi could be:

 

Macchi 205

Fiat G55

Fiat BR.20

Savoia-Marchetti SM. 79 Sparviero

Premium: Reggiane Re.2005

 

P40 Warhawk

A36/P51A Mustang

Beaufighter

B26 Boston

Collector: Spitfire Mk.9A

 

Maybe switch the Spit and the Mustang.

 

 

 

 

 

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I think the Developers missed a great opportunity here.

If they had started with Poland in 39' and worked their way through the War, introducing aircraft as they became available,

this game could have run for many, many years!!

I mean where do you go after the 262?

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As much as I enjoy the IL2 franchise, for me the thought of another Eastern Front type campaign would really stretch my support 

Just now, JG5_Schuck said:

I think the Developers missed a great opportunity here.

If they had started with Poland in 39' and worked their way through the War, introducing aircraft as they became available,

this game could have run for many, many years!!

I mean where do you go after the 262?

 

 

Meteor!

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20 minutes ago, JG5_Schuck said:

I think the Developers missed a great opportunity here.

If they had started with Poland in 39' and worked their way through the War, introducing aircraft as they became available,

this game could have run for many, many years!!

I mean where do you go after the 262?

 

I don't think it always has to go into the direction "bigger and better". Only because we have a 262 now doesn't mean we have to jump to Sabre next. 

The release of BoBp and it's aircraft does not in any way diminish my enthusiasm for campaigns like Operation Husky, Spanish Civil War, Battle of France, Battle of Manchuria or Battle of Indochina (deliberately not mentioning Pacific due to allegedly missing tech). Battle of Poland on the other side wouldn't be a good choice, no one would want to fly a PZL against a 109. 

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1 hour ago, II./JG77_Manu* said:

 

I think this part of Italy is not so interesting. I'd prefer BoSi - Battle of Sicily. Operation Husky - it was a tactical operation which would fit in the meta of BoX. And it has a very interesting planeset, of which we already have some aircraft: 109 G2, G4, G6, 190 A5, Mc 202 and pretty much all the German bombers and ground attackers.

In addition we have already Spit Mk.5, P-38J, P40, P-39 (one of the few occasions the US used it against Germans), A-20 and the B-25 (if it's coming for Bodenplatte).

The planeset of BoSi could be:

 

Macchi 205

Fiat G55

Fiat BR.20

Savoia-Marchetti SM. 79 Sparviero

Premium: Reggiane Re.2005

 

P40 Warhawk

A36/P51A Mustang

Beaufighter

B26 Boston

Collector: Spitfire Mk.9A

 

Maybe switch the Spit and the Mustang.

 

 

 

 

 

Like this option, just G.55 didnt operate in that battle, and could be repalced with either Re.2002 or Fw-190A4

And insted opsolite B.20 i would go for Do-217 model, so you would give 2 reasons for Lufftwafe only lovers to get it.

 

For Allied go for Spitfire VIII insted 9, and later they could easy fit as collectable airplanes some Hurricane MkIIc or early P-38F/H/G models 

 

And Map area would have to include Sicily, Malta, east parts of Tunisia and Calabria region in south tip of Italy, so it would be around 400x500km but mostly sea so its posible. So map could be used also for some early operations with airplanes game has.

 

The only big problem i see is number of ships involved. Also i forghot CloD TF 6 or 7 would probably do this if its alive by then.

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2 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

Like this option, just G.55 didnt operate in that battle, and could be repalced with either Re.2002 or Fw-190A4

And insted opsolite B.20 i would go for Do-217 model, so you would give 2 reasons for Lufftwafe lonly overs to get it.

 

For Allied go for Spitfire VIII insted 9, and later they could easy fit as collectable airplanes some Hurricane MkIIc or early P-38F/H/G models 

 

And Map area would have to include Sicily, Malta, east parts of Tunisia and Calabria region in south tip of Italy, so it would be around 400x500km but mostly sea so its posible. So map could be used for some early operations with airplanes game has.

 

The only big problem i see is number of ships involved.

 

Didn't know about the G55, good point. 190-A4 would also be fine. Completely forgot about the 217, now that's one iconic German bomber we are really missing. Spit I wouldn't care. With your fixed aircraft setup it would be perfect.

 

Regarding map, of course your suggestion would be awesome, but if it is a problem to model all the carrier and ship stuff, I would also be fine with a map of just Sicily, Pantelleria and maybe Calabria and start at a time where the Allies already had some land on Sicily.

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I dont think they used carriers in Sicily landings operations, Malta was probably only carrier they needed, the amount of small ships is big and all that moving in MP missions i dont know how it would work now in game when even small number of ships in missions makes problems, but misssion makers can adapt and just make missions after landings and so on.

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Seafires were there as for carriers, HMS Formidable for sure.

G-55 was reserved to Rome, while Reggiane 2005 did fight over Sicily, and off course Macchi 205 too. Don't forget also about the Hornisse.

Personally i'd love Italy 44-45 for the planeset (the best one for everybody), but Husky would be really fantastic. Everything was there, as for Italy in general.

 

 

 

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Italy 43-44 is a better plane set by far and fills a gap between Stalingrad and Bodenplatte. Italy 44-45 mostly recycles aircraft we already have for everyone except the Italians.

 

43-44 still gives you your 410's, a 190A variant, not sure if there are any leftover 109's to insert, razorback 51's and 47's, late model P-40's, maybe sneak in a late model Hurricane as a collector. Spit or Seafire and a slew of Italian jobs. British and Italian medium bomber to fill out the set.

 

Super interesting terrain, especially now that we've seen what they can do in Kuban, and historical importance. The slew of ground objects and ARMOR is outstanding.

 

That'll get their juices flowing on both sides of the design process/roadmap!

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8 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

Like this option, just G.55 didnt operate in that battle, and could be repalced with either Re.2002 or Fw-190A4


Italy 1943 would be sooo good. Maybe instead of Re 2002 the Re 2001 with the inline engine? That's a plane I haven't seen in 1946 for example and looks interesting, also would complement the "workhorse" MC 202 for the players that don't have it. (As at least afaik the DB 601 based fighters (MC 202 and Re 2001) were more prevalent than the 5 series ones in early-mid 1943).
 

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10 hours ago, II./JG77_Manu* said:

 

I think this part of Italy is not so interesting. I'd prefer BoSi - Battle of Sicily. Operation Husky - it was a tactical operation which would fit in the meta of BoX. And it has a very interesting planeset, of which we already have some aircraft: 109 G2, G4, G6, 190 A5, Mc 202 and pretty much all the German bombers and ground attackers.

In addition we have already Spit Mk.5, P-38J, P40, P-39 (one of the few occasions the US used it against Germans), A-20 and the B-25 (if it's coming for Bodenplatte).

The planeset of BoSi could be:

 

Macchi 205

Fiat G55

Fiat BR.20

Savoia-Marchetti SM. 79 Sparviero

Premium: Reggiane Re.2005

 

P40 Warhawk

A36/P51A Mustang

Beaufighter

B26 Boston

Collector: Spitfire Mk.9A

 

Maybe switch the Spit and the Mustang.

 

 

 

 

 

Drop the Beaufighter and save it for late Pacific. Replace it with the Beaufort which served through mid-43. You have B/C Mustangs as well as the A-36 off nearly the same airframe. Messerschmitt 210 and 410's. C model 47's as well. Change the Spit for a Seafire and include our first Carrier for development and we have a winner...............IMHO :)

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ill recikle my post from some time ago when talk was about med for box.

 

I would go for Battle of Anzio , or call it Battle of Rome if it sounds better to mases, map like this for example:

 

around 340-420km 1:1 scale

 

https://ibb.co/k6nFyS

( they can even extend it 150km to west to include west parts of Corsca and Sardinia and its AFs, or even bigger if extending also by 150km to south to include north parts of Sicily and its AFs)

 

Half is sea and tarain is interesting to fly over with all hills and mountains, and you could do few 43-44 operations on it.

 

And this planset:

 

RE.2002 Serie II ( bombs and torpedo)
M.C.205V Serie III (bombs, droptanks)
SM.79bis (bombs and torpedo)
Do-217K ( bombs, Fritz-X guided bombs, Hs 293 guided rockets)
G.55 Serie I (Colectable, torpedo, bombs)

 

Seafire LF Mk.III (droptank, bombs)
Hurricane Mk.IV ( rockets, bombs, 40mm gunpods)
B-26C-25 (bombs )
P-51C-10 (droptank, bombs ) or Spitfire Mk.VIII (droptank, bombs)
Mosquito B Mk.IV (colectable, bombs)

 

Also by going in 1944 your avoiding any intersection with CloD and leve early to 43 med for them, like its with BoBp on england area now.

2 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:


Italy 1943 would be sooo good. Maybe instead of Re 2002 the Re 2001 with the inline engine? That's a plane I haven't seen in 1946 for example and looks interesting, also would complement the "workhorse" MC 202 for the players that don't have it. (As at least afaik the DB 601 based fighters (MC 202 and Re 2001) were more prevalent than the 5 series ones in early-mid 1943).
 

 

we alrady have 202, and if they do italy they would probably do it one time so beter go for best posible for italian airplanes so i would rather some version of 205 then again 202.

He said Re.2005, and thats inline so for diff i sugest 2002

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30 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

we alrady have 202, and if they do italy they would probably do it one time so beter go for best posible for italian airplanes so i would rather some version of 205 then again 202.

He said Re.2005, and thats inline so for diff i sugest 2002


I didn't mean MC 202 again I meant this lineup:
 

Macchi 205

Reggiane Re.2001

Fiat BR.20

Savoia-Marchetti SM. 79 Sparviero

Premium: Reggiane Re.2005

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Honestly not terribly concerned about what CloD is doing with North Africa. 42-43 Italy and north Med is a better scenario for the consumer. for that reason alone, I don’t think the DEV’s should limit themselves geographically.

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21 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

not sure if there are any leftover 109's to insert

 

For 43 (Husky) G6 Trop.

G6Trop.jpg

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31 minutes ago, 150GCT_Veltro said:

 

For 43 (Husky) G6 Trop.

G6Trop.jpg

Not sure if it is worth wasting a plane slot for the same aircraft with an air filter and   drilling shotgun-rifle fitted.

 

All the midwar 109s are pretty much modelled, all that is missing for major variants are the Emils (E-1, E-3, E-4, E-7/N) and G-14/AS, G-10

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