SCG_motoadve 1893 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Was at the Reno air races this weekend, talked at lenght with the previous owner of Miss America P51, multiple winner,who also owns and have owned and flown a Hellcat, a Zero, P40 and lots of warbirds. While talking about the handling, he told me in the P51 at 400mph to make the tight turns at the races he had to use lots of strength, your arm would get really tired, sometimes he turned with both arms on the stick. Those turns looked like a turn that would have been used in real combat. New gen joysticks are real nice and accurate, Vrpil, VKB and just missing force feedback, I am surprised why force feedback is not popular. Are there any after markets add ons we can use for force feedback with current joysticks? (This looks like its for the Warthog http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb_r3_warthog.html My friend is a WWII aviation enthusiast and I talked to him about BOS in VR , and the feeling of flight which was impressive to me as a real pilot, so we agree he will come to my house and try BOS in VR, cant wait for his impressions. Of course he invited me to seat on the P51 Link to post Share on other sites
Sokol1 2084 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Quote Are there any after markets add ons we can use for force feedback with current joysticks? (This looks like its for the Warthog http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb_r3_warthog.html No. FSSB MOD for Cougar/Warthog sticks are not for add "Force Feeedback" effects, but an Force Sensor" MOD - in what the stick move only few millimeters, similar mechanism of an kitchen scale. Your best hope for an new Force Feedback stick is Iris Dynamic. https://vs4.irisdynamics.com/magnetic-force-feedback-joysticks/ This ~2009 concept don't "take off": http://www.paccus.com/forcefeedbackjoysticks/hawk_specs Meanwhile an used Microsoft Force Feedback 2 USB (discontinued in 2003) from eBay is the only viable option. Edited September 17, 2018 by Sokol1 Link to post Share on other sites
SCG_motoadve 1893 Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Sokol1 said: No. FSSB MOD for Cougar/Warthog sticks are not for add "Force Feeedback" effects, but an Force Sensor" MOD - in what the stick move only few millimeters, similar mechanism of an kitchen scale. You best hope for an new Force Feedback stick is Iris Dynamic. https://vs4.irisdynamics.com/magnetic-force-feedback-joysticks/ This ~2009 concept don't "take off": http://www.paccus.com/forcefeedbackjoysticks/hawk_specs Meanwhile an used Microsoft Force Feedback 2 USB (discontinued in 2003) from eBay is the only viable option. Already have one of those MS FF , but compared to my Virpil with extension, no comparison.. Wish they make an accesorie FF add on that you could put in the current sticks. Link to post Share on other sites
NO.20_W_M_Thomson 411 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Sokol1 said: No. FSSB MOD for Cougar/Warthog sticks are not for add "Force Feeedback" effects, but an Force Sensor" MOD - in what the stick move only few millimeters, similar mechanism of an kitchen scale. Your best hope for an new Force Feedback stick is Iris Dynamic. https://vs4.irisdynamics.com/magnetic-force-feedback-joysticks/ This ~2009 concept don't "take off": http://www.paccus.com/forcefeedbackjoysticks/hawk_specs Meanwhile an used Microsoft Force Feedback 2 USB (discontinued in 2003) from eBay is the only viable option. Sorry, Sokol but I believe neither of those sticks is in production, There is no FF stick around that the normal guy can afford. Link to post Share on other sites
malexx74 3 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Well old thread but ... If you want good ffb, you have the base. Put an extension too it and scale the force within il2 or software. The potis etc are really strong.you can scale the force as far as you really need strong arms to move the stick Link to post Share on other sites
[CPT]Crunch 299 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 https://www.brunner-innovation.swiss/product/cls-e-joystick/ Exactly what your looking for, but it does have a price. Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingH 83 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 The price, whaooooo! My wife would throw me out! Link to post Share on other sites
30speed 609 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 10:24 PM, [CPT]Crunch said: https://www.brunner-innovation.swiss/product/cls-e-joystick/ Exactly what your looking for, but it does have a price. wow.. and I thought my gear acquisition for this game came to an ever lasting stand still. You, sir, just gave me hope! Link to post Share on other sites
Quax 229 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 10/9/2018 at 4:24 AM, [CPT]Crunch said: https://www.brunner-innovation.swiss/product/cls-e-joystick/ Exactly what your looking for, but it does have a price. But whould it run with BoS ? The FFB2 is supported. But I don´t think this Brunner will run out of the box, and who would do a driver for BoS ? Link to post Share on other sites
SCG_motoadve 1893 Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Quax said: But whould it run with BoS ? The FFB2 is supported. But I don´t think this Brunner will run out of the box, and who would do a driver for BoS ? Simulated effects: autopilot, trim and turbulence simulation. We will need a lot more effects to be able to be worth it for IL2 Series Link to post Share on other sites
SeaW0lf 639 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) On 9/17/2018 at 12:02 PM, SCG_motoadve said: New gen joysticks are real nice and accurate, Vrpil, VKB and just missing force feedback, I am surprised why force feedback is not popular. I think it has to do with FFB patents that belong to Logitech if I'm not mistaken. There was a talk that it would expire in 2019/20, but I read somewhere that it still holds some way ot another. Since any brand would have to pay patent fees to Logitech, no one does it anymore. Is that right, people? Any news regarding the patents expiring? Edited December 21, 2019 by SeaW0lf Link to post Share on other sites
von_Michelstamm 192 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I don’t think it’s Logitech, but another company that holds the patents. Last ive heard They’ve actively been licensing ffb to controller makers for steering wheels, but flight simmers are too niche to justify the cost. Link to post Share on other sites
SeaW0lf 639 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) There was a thread on DCS about who hold the patents. I'll see if I can find it. Edited December 22, 2019 by SeaW0lf Link to post Share on other sites
bzc3lk 315 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 https://patents.google.com/patent/US6424333 Marc Tremblay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Tremblay Link to post Share on other sites
Dakpilot 2185 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Think it was more this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_v._Sony Cheers, Dakpilot Link to post Share on other sites
Quax 229 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 3:09 PM, SCG_motoadve said: Simulated effects: autopilot, trim and turbulence simulation. We will need a lot more effects to be able to be worth it for IL2 Series You are right, more effects would be nice. But trim is the most important. Are you sure about it ? Link to post Share on other sites
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