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Was at the Reno air races this weekend, talked at lenght with the previous owner of Miss America P51,  multiple winner,who also owns and have owned and flown  a Hellcat, a Zero, P40 and lots of warbirds.

While talking about the handling, he told me in the P51 at 400mph to make the tight turns at the races he had to use lots of strength, your arm would get really tired, sometimes he turned with both arms on the stick. Those turns looked like a turn that would have been used in real combat.

 

New gen joysticks are real nice and accurate, Vrpil, VKB and  just missing force feedback, I am surprised why force feedback is not popular.

Are there any after markets add ons we can use for force feedback with current joysticks? (This looks like its for the Warthog http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb_r3_warthog.html

 

My friend is a WWII aviation enthusiast and I talked to him about BOS in VR , and the feeling of flight which was impressive to me as a real pilot, so we agree he will come to my house and try BOS in VR, cant wait for his impressions.

Of course he invited me to seat on the P51 :)

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Are there any after markets add ons we can use for force feedback with current joysticks? (This looks like its for the Warthog http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb_r3_warthog.html

 

No.

 

FSSB MOD for Cougar/Warthog sticks are not for add  "Force Feeedback" effects, but an Force Sensor" MOD - in what the stick move only few millimeters, similar mechanism of an kitchen scale.

 

Your best hope for an new Force Feedback stick is Iris Dynamic.

 

https://vs4.irisdynamics.com/magnetic-force-feedback-joysticks/

 

This ~2009 concept don't "take off":

 

http://www.paccus.com/forcefeedbackjoysticks/hawk_specs

 

Meanwhile an used Microsoft Force Feedback 2 USB  (discontinued in 2003)  from eBay is the only viable option.

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1 hour ago, Sokol1 said:

 

No.

 

FSSB MOD for Cougar/Warthog sticks are not for add  "Force Feeedback" effects, but an Force Sensor" MOD - in what the stick move only few millimeters, similar mechanism of an kitchen scale.

 

You best hope for an new Force Feedback stick is Iris Dynamic.

 

https://vs4.irisdynamics.com/magnetic-force-feedback-joysticks/

 

This ~2009 concept don't "take off":

 

http://www.paccus.com/forcefeedbackjoysticks/hawk_specs

 

Meanwhile an used Microsoft Force Feedback 2 USB  (discontinued in 2003)  from eBay is the only viable option.

 

Already have one of those MS FF , but compared to my Virpil with extension, no comparison..

Wish they make an accesorie FF add on that you could put in the current sticks.

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5 hours ago, Sokol1 said:

 

No.

 

FSSB MOD for Cougar/Warthog sticks are not for add  "Force Feeedback" effects, but an Force Sensor" MOD - in what the stick move only few millimeters, similar mechanism of an kitchen scale.

 

Your best hope for an new Force Feedback stick is Iris Dynamic.

 

https://vs4.irisdynamics.com/magnetic-force-feedback-joysticks/

 

This ~2009 concept don't "take off":

 

http://www.paccus.com/forcefeedbackjoysticks/hawk_specs

 

Meanwhile an used Microsoft Force Feedback 2 USB  (discontinued in 2003)  from eBay is the only viable option.

Sorry, Sokol but I believe neither of those sticks is in production, There is no FF stick around that the normal guy can afford. 

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Well old thread but ...

If you want good ffb, you have the base. Put an extension too it and scale the force within il2 or software. The potis IMG_20181008_180351.thumb.jpg.5fc8b2b589c3ff0d3f36494a997048ea.jpgetc are really strong.you can scale the force as far as you really need strong arms to move the stick 

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2 hours ago, Quax said:

 

But whould it run with BoS ? The FFB2 is supported. But I don´t think this Brunner will run out of the box, and who would do a driver for BoS ?

Simulated effects: autopilot, trim and turbulence simulation.

 

We will need a lot more effects to be able to be worth it for IL2 Series

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On 9/17/2018 at 12:02 PM, SCG_motoadve said:

New gen joysticks are real nice and accurate, Vrpil, VKB and  just missing force feedback, I am surprised why force feedback is not popular.

 

I think it has to do with FFB patents that belong to Logitech if I'm not mistaken. There was a talk that it would expire in 2019/20, but I read somewhere that it still holds some way ot another. Since any brand would have to pay patent fees to Logitech, no one does it anymore.

 

Is that right, people? Any news regarding the patents expiring?

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On 12/21/2019 at 3:09 PM, SCG_motoadve said:

Simulated effects: autopilot, trim and turbulence simulation.

 

We will need a lot more effects to be able to be worth it for IL2 Series

 

You are right, more effects would be nice. But trim is the most important. Are you sure about it ? 

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