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3 minutes ago, Cloyd said:

I'm withya of course Gambit21, but Hellcats over Henderson? Did you misspeak or do I have to learn to fly a plane other than a Wildcat? 😉

Cloyd

 

Oops...typo of course...fixed. :)

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But seriously, how many times have I not spent an hour to target already in this game, not uncommon for a bomber pilot to not take the fastes track to target. What can one do with such lazy ass fighters not wanna bothered with escort. One have to fly in circles in attempt to make it to target. 

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my reason is 2 planes.. The A6M and the F4U. I want to experience flying these beasts in IL2 fidelity of simulation. The Me262 will soon be one of these dream come true. The Fw190 A5, the Ju52 the Stuka, the Mig3, Il2 series are already fulfilled dreams.

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The TBD did well at Coral Sea.  No torpedo bomber did well without proper escort, even TBF/TBM.

 

Do remember, when it was introduced the TBD was the most advanced torpedo bomber on the planet.  Unfortunately the interwar years were a time of extremely rapid development and she was quickly left behind, but be that as it may, read my first sentence again.

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Hopefully, we can do Midway and then New Guinea and other mid war scenarios instead of Okinawa. As we are getting AAF pursuit planes in BoBP, I'd not be bothered by Okinawa going away. Getting the P-51 was the only reason I was looking forward to that island. I'm keeping my fingers crossed we get to the Pacific sooner rather than later. I'm hoping I'm still able to flight sim when it does arrive.

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I’ll be all about a Midway release if that still comes first - lots of material to work with there.That’s a lot more ducks to get in a row ‘out the gate’ though with carrier tech. There's a lot for Jason to manage here, community expectations, investor expectations, limited resources, obscure and hard to find aircraft info (in an outdated Japanese dialect no less) and game engine considerations  - I don’t envy him. It’s a tough nut, no doubt.

 

in the end, you could give me a water map with an island base at either end and I could make due and have fun.

Just so long as it’s not Guadalcanal vs Florida Island again - honestly what were they thinking?

Even then - we had loads of fun with that. Wildcats taking off and attacking the float plane base in Florida, or taking off in a Rufe and defending it.

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Career in the Pacific will be interesting. Any given tank on the east you can bomb is just a tank, any plane you shoot down could be one of thousands, but how will the career mode react if the player torpedos a ship that never sank IRL? Will it just ignore that the player achieved that? Or never put the player in a position to "break" history?

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I'd like to see U.S. and Japanese carrier ops.   I'd like to see the Islands in all their glory (and horror), considering how well-done the Kuban map is. 

**Most importantly,  I want to see the Australian variant of the Beaufighter.   :cool:

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Also one thing in favor of a Solomon islands map should be that the total land area of these islands is actually surprisingly small. About 40000 km², mostly sparsely inhabited. An equivalent all land map is just 200 x 200 km².  Thus I would anticipate that such a map is much easier to make than the Bodenplatte map.

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Although probably unfeasible with this game engine, I would love to see something akin to the old "PAW: Pacific Air Wars", which would be brilliant.  Allow one to control the carrier fleet and then launch when radar detects incoming enemy planes.  You can then either bounce into a selected aircraft's cockpit ready for carrier launch or one already in the air, nearer to the incoming enemy.  

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On 8/4/2018 at 7:22 AM, BornToBattle said:

Dive bombing and carrier landings. P-38 Lightning. Zero, Corsairs...yadda, yadda, yadda...

 

The dive bombing or torpedo bombing (or kamikaze bombing!) while multiple ships are shooting all they've got at you is what i keep envisioning too... along with carriers and the popular pacific planes obviously. That just sounds like it would be a ton of fun with all the high fidelity this sim already has.

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On 7/31/2018 at 9:52 PM, BlitzPig_EL said:

The naval aircraft flown in the Pacific far out ranged anything we currently have in the sim, especially the Zero. 

No single seat fighter made in Europe could even come close to it.

It varies some by what version of the A6M you look at, but usually between 1600 and 1900 miles or so.

 

Wiki says  3,104 km (1,675 nmi, 1,929 mi)

 

The distances flown in the Pacific were FAR longer than in Europe, it isn't even close.

 

 

Mostly true that naval aircraft outranged any other aircraft this was mostly by necessity of being over water with no land in sight for huge distances.

The P-47N had a range of around 2,300 miles and could make it 1,800 miles on internal fuel, of course the P-47N only served in the Pacific which is one of the reasons for it's immense range.

 

Hopefully we see the N someday, maybe for an Okinawa expansion. I wonder what kind of impact the N could have made if it served over Europe.

 

Can't wait for the Pacific, hope to see New Guinea someday, along with Okinawa, Midway, Solomon Islands, etc.

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So many reasons to want to go to the Pacific.  I'll list below my thoughts.

 

  1. Island Hopping: Teaches you detail engine management and navigation due to the fact that you need to know where you are going, find it and get there without running out of fuel.  if you are going down, you can't land in some field.
  2. Plane Sets: Some of the most famous aircraft in history; Zero, Corsair, Hellcats, Wildcats, Vals, Kates, Nates etc.  So much variety, just like Eastern Front but different aircraft properties due to theater they fought in.
  3.  Carrier Operations:  Need I say more?
  4. Naval Targets: Those ships had some of the most dense AAA screens around.  Loved trying to torpedo or bomb them and come out alive. 
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On 8/1/2018 at 5:45 PM, unreasonable said:

Wormholes?  Could be disguised as clouds. You fly into one on one 1:1 map and emerge from the wormhole on another 1:1 map.

 

I just had an image in mind of Enterprise jumping out of warp speed to fight space nazies from alternate timeline from some Star Trek episode and could not help but laugh my arse off when i first read this....

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Jason just replied to my question regarding the PTO during his Reddit AMA:

 

I asked:Are there any updates regarding the possibility of the series expanding into the Pacific Theater of Operations (PTO) after Bodenplatte? It was put on the shelf in the past because it wasn’t considered feasible at the time due to a lack of good sources for Japanese planes. Has that situation changed at all?

 

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I continue to work to try and find a way to produce the Pacific. Proper references is a big obstacle and I continue to work on that issue. I still plan to make a Pacific product assuming I can find a way to make it happen in a reasonable timeframe with a reasonable budget. This is why I have tried to find development partners who can help me with this in the future.

 

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As Garand wrote, Jason's answers to the reddit AMA are now available. Of interest to everyone looking forward to an Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre installment might also be this:

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 Q:
If money wasn't a problem and you were just being very selfish; what battle that we haven't already gone to would you most like to cover in this sim, and which planes we don't have would you be most excited to fly?

A:

If we're talking WWII I still want to make the Battle of Midway and other Pacific battles and if I could make any sim I want, I'd make a Vietnam sim.


I guess it's good news he still names the (Asiatic-)Pacific(-Theatre). Midway wouldn't be my personal preference for gameplay reasons explained earlier in this thread, but anything related to the Theatre would be generally welcomed by me. I'd just hope they don't overstretch the Japanese plainset for Midway and don't forget the larger part of the "Pacific (Air-)War" wasn't fought in the Pacific Ocean Areas/Theatre.

Anyways, at least some "news" on this part of the war.

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Having just listened to Jason being interviewed by Froogle, I'd say he was extremely enthusiastic about a Korean theatre in the future.

If he can't get the Pacific side of things up and running in the time frame he would like, I'd make a guess that Korea may be next.

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Yes, unfortunately(!) I noticed this as well. Just don't I think Korea would be a two-sided game beyond the MiG-15.


No, for me the next package-announcement has to be Asiatic-Pacific WWII related. Anything else would be a massive setback to me. If carriers aren't doable right now there are plenty other, game-wise better scenarios. Japanese planes aren't a total mystery either and I'm confident they eventually succeed in properly modeling them.

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The UN forces and the Soviet Union and PRC used a very wide variety of aircraft though, the war wasn't the F-86/MiG-15 duel that it so often is made out to be.

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This isn't the correct thread to discuss the Korean Air-War, but no, I don't concur. The reasons why I explained in detail in the thread linked above.
 

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2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Having just listened to Jason being interviewed by Froogle, I'd say he was extremely enthusiastic about a Korean theatre in the future.

If he can't get the Pacific side of things up and running in the time frame he would like, I'd make a guess that Korea may be next.

 

That would soothe my heartbreak somewhat, but again I don’t anticipate any such thing.

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Carrier ops and having a panic attack as i land on that carrier 😂

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1 hour ago, ST_ami7b5 said:

Pacific yes, Korea and Vietnam not for me...

Agreed for the most part. I wouldn't mind a vietnam setting but there is still so much left to do with WW2. Even if the Pacific isn't possible as the next expansion I hope they stick with WW2 and not go for something else.

 

I wouldn't mind if they did a more land based Pacific scenario to get them started and then expand with more carrier based actions.

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Even if they did a land based Pacific scenario, there is still the problem of the required information on Japanese planes that is sorely needed.

Jason wants to do the Pacific justice this time, not a half arsed attempt like 'Pacific Fighters' turned out to be...

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31 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Even if they did a land based Pacific scenario, there is still the problem of the required information on Japanese planes that is sorely needed.

Jason wants to do the Pacific justice this time, not a half arsed attempt like 'Pacific Fighters' turned out to be...

I agree it should be done as best as possible. I wonder where they will go if the Pacific isn't possible as the next expansion? If the Pacific can't be done as the next expansion I hope they will go somewhere that will benefit the Pacific in some way, whether it be aircraft or some technology. Bodenplatte will already benefit a late war Pacific scenario with it's planeset. What other expansions could they do that would benefit? Italy/Africa come to mind.

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13 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

I agree it should be done as best as possible. I wonder where they will go if the Pacific isn't possible as the next expansion? If the Pacific can't be done as the next expansion I hope they will go somewhere that will benefit the Pacific in some way, whether it be aircraft or some technology. Bodenplatte will already benefit a late war Pacific scenario with it's planeset. What other expansions could they do that would benefit? Italy/Africa come to mind.

 

Battle of Anzio :)

u get introduced to carriers, do more italian fighters and avoid again 109x190 combo and repetition, interesting terein for map, and gives option for airplanes people ask for on forums, ultimate hurri, B-26, masquito, even A-36, interesting and new payloads, and you can use some existing airplanes in game we have already, and you prove that big ships and carriers can work, its 100% next expantion 😄

 

 

 

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On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 3:42 AM, Trooper117 said:

Even if they did a land based Pacific scenario, there is still the problem of the required information on Japanese planes that is sorely needed.

Jason wants to do the Pacific justice this time, not a half arsed attempt like 'Pacific Fighters' turned out to be...

I agree with the sentiment about wanting to do justice, but lets not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The "Spirit of 46" is the right balance IMHO and that is why I bought BOK and continue to purchase the pre-order projects to support the teams effort towards that vision and the pacific is a big part of it.

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As a pilot IRL, it's all about pitching decks. I really hope they put some thought into what goes into landing on a carrier (arresting cables, barricades, recovery systems, etc). If all they do is put some stationary decks above the water with a high friction coefficient, I doubt I'll be a buyer. 

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I don’t anticipate nuanced recovery operations. Most likely similar to the pattern we have now. Fine with me - I’ll take what I can get.

 

“Woot! We finally made it to PTO!

...but the arresting cable isn’t animated properly so I’m out”

 

Is something I won’t be saying.

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I anticipate the Pacific in some form to be next. I'm fine if it is Solomons/Guadalcanal/etc to get our feet wet. I can wait for carrier tech to mature if we need to wait for a second release because I'm in the middle on Perfect vs Good. I don't want half-@$$ed but I also don't need to count the rivets on a Ford deck tug either. Let's split the difference on Perfect vs Excellent. I'll take either of those options.

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5 hours ago, Toxin1 said:

I agree with the sentiment about wanting to do justice, but lets not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The "Spirit of 46" is the right balance IMHO and that is why I bought BOK and continue to purchase the pre-order projects to support the teams effort towards that vision and the pacific is a big part of it.

I agree with Toxin 100%.

 

I have purchased several parts of the Great Battles series for the sole purpose of supporting the production of a WWII title in the Pacific Theater.

 

The Battle of Midway would be truly awesome - a personal favorite. But if the Battle of Midway has some new technology that proves too difficult in a reasonable timeframe and a reasonable budget, then release a Pacific Theater of Operations title that is more tractable to start. The PTO was vast and diverse. There are a great many places and dates from which to choose. 

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Even the much maligned Pacific Fighters had pitching decks if you set the weather to poor. (The sky might be blue and bright, but in poor weather you'd be rockin' and rollin')

 

Close enough. A little brain-squint / imagination and I don't need to see every rivet.

 

But, I would like some cockpit shadows in my Wildcat!

 

😉

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lol let me rephrase, I don't care about down-to-the rivet realism but I remember having to hit the arresting cables in Aces of the Pacific when I was like 6 years old. So yeah, I think we can set the bar north of that.

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Hey GTOA, I wasn't being critical. I've never flown a plane, never will. But give me just a few things that help me to pretend, and I'm all in. I'm OK with filling in the blanks. 😉

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25 minutes ago, GTOAviator said:

lol let me rephrase, I don't care about down-to-the rivet realism but I remember having to hit the arresting cables in Aces of the Pacific when I was like 6 years old. So yeah, I think we can set the bar north of that.

 

In all fairness there was no physics involved with your Aces of the Pacific arresting cables.

So even if they stopped there, we'd be quite a bit north of that.

 

I'm not being a contrarian for the sake of it, just lending a bit of perspective here.

I want all the cool stuff too, but it's a gigantic task.

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