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Finally 3.001 :)

I have waited for this and it is great. I play it in VR with my Oculus Rift and it is just amazing.

I love all the new aircraft from Kuban and also the career mode. 

But I wonder.. does all my shooting down enemy aircraft and bombing guns and trucks actually have an effect on the campaign?

I just finished a mission where I was escorting a flight of Hs-129s that attacked an artillery gun position. Their attack ended in a few guns and trucks destroyed. Maybe 5 or 6 total.

The Hs-129s were attacked by around 10 or so Yak-1s of which I shot down 8! The rest of my squadron 1.

I am flying in a Bf-110G-2 with 20 mm gun pods. I have no trouble dog fighting with Soviet fighters in a Bf-110G-2 at all even though I have chosen hard on the difficulty level.

Normally I kill 80-90 % of the total my entire flight shoots down. Even as the rear gunner I shoot down aircraft. That is easy. The enemy fighters aproach slowly from the rear and fly straight and level, and when they get close enough a long burst aimed at the cockpit and engine does the trick. Another kill for me!

I appear to be an even better pilot than Erich Hartmann ;) Maybe not so, but I guess my 50+ kills not including dozens of aircraft destroyed on the ground surrounded my AA gunners that almost never hit anything, must have an effect on the Soviet war effort??

I notice a lot of repeating patterns during my missons.

-The same kind of enemy aircraft parked in the same slots on an airfield protected by the same amount of guns, who shoot a lot but very rarely hit a target. So rare that I often just ignore them and keep circling around and strafe the parked aircraft until they are all destroyed or I am out of ammo.

-A column of tanks or trucks consists more or less of the same type and number of vehicles every time. They may try to seek cover when you approach them, but a few second later the are back on the road again being sitting ducks. The same goes when you attack a ferry point or gun position. Same number and same placement.

-The number of targets my flight destroyes is always low. The drop their bombs maybe strafe once or twice and that is it. More often than not several aircraft in my flight have killed nothing were I destroyed 15+ ground targets and 5 aircraft as well.

-If an enemy aircraft is trying to land at an airfield close to where you are attacking a ground target, they more or less ignore you. The aircraft will still try to land even though their enemy is all around them and are shooting them down one after the other.

 

I think I will keep the list to these things at this point.

I really love the game and play it whenever I can find the time. I know it must be extremely hard to program an AI that behaves logically in every matter possible, but I hope that some of these things I point out will be corrected at some point.

 

 

 

 

 

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No, your one piddley little aircraft does not affect the war, as it should be.

 

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12 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

No, your one piddley little aircraft does not affect the war, as it should be.

 

 

There is a mission where you have to blow up Hitlers special train, but that's the final mission at the end of Kuban, and now that I think about it, maybe I just dreamed it! :)

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1 hour ago, Wolf8312 said:

There is a mission where you have to blow up Hitlers special train, but that's the final mission at the end of Kuban, and now that I think about it, maybe I just dreamed it! :)

Is this mission available on both sides?:biggrin:

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2 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

There is a mission where you have to blow up Hitlers special train, but that's the final mission at the end of Kuban, and now that I think about it, maybe I just dreamed it! :)

Spoiler alert!!

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Jeez.

Congratulations on [edited] not answering the perfectly reasonable question! Regettably I don't know the answer but I would like to please.

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On 14/4/2018 at 4:46 PM, OSRS72 said:

 

I am flying in a Bf-110G-2 with 20 mm gun pods. I have no trouble dog fighting with Soviet fighters in a Bf-110G-2 at all even though I have chosen hard on the difficulty level

 

yeahhh... Come in MP to taste the real "hard difficulty" :)

On 14/4/2018 at 11:58 PM, Lensman said:

Jeez.

Congratulations on [edited] not answering the perfectly reasonable question! Regettably I don't know the answer but I would like to please.

 

The career follows the reality so at the end 

Spoiler

the germans loose.

 

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No it does not.

 

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Attacking the devs work, and others, wont get you anywhere...

 

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Thanks for your replies.

I actually thought the campaign had been fixed. That is doesn't have any effect make it feel just like Super Mario indeed... :(

To make a real working dynamic campaign, that would be something. Of course the Germans don't end up winning the war or killing Stalin. But to see that the bridges you bomb or the airfields you strafe effect the enemy.. :) wishful thinking??

Maybe I should try that MP stuff... knowing I will shot down after 30 seconds ;)

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As far as I noticed in the new Career, you do not destroy any real bridges, but help bridges, built by pioneers. The real bridges are destroyed already, you can see them clearly next to the bridge, you have order to destroy. So the workaround is, that you are sent to the area at the earliest, on the next day, as far as I remember, when the pioneers have rebuilt the 'pontoon' bridge.

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18 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

There is a mission where you have to blow up Hitlers special train, but that's the final mission at the end of Kuban, and now that I think about it, maybe I just dreamed it! :)

If a single P-38 pilot could take out Yamamoto, then why not have us blow up Hitler's train? Then the final mission would be us getting into an argument with our wingmen about who really killed Hitler. 

1 hour ago, OSRS72 said:

Thanks for your replies.

I actually thought the campaign had been fixed. That is doesn't have any effect make it feel just like Super Mario indeed... :(

To make a real working dynamic campaign, that would be something. Of course the Germans don't end up winning the war or killing Stalin. But to see that the bridges you bomb or the airfields you strafe effect the enemy.. :) wishful thinking??

Maybe I should try that MP stuff... knowing I will shot down after 30 seconds ;)

MP is not that bad, really. Unless you're flying a BF-110, you'll die real quick in a 110 in MP if you are trying to dogfight single engine fighters. Which is how it should be. 

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The chalange may be in mp but immersion and experience of wo2 air war is in sp. First to agree that improvements are needed. The one thing that always turns me off is pilots wanting 'full real' and then take off staight ahead and not bothering to taxi to take off position, landing downwind, flying solo way behind enemy lines. Nothing 'full real' about all that.

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The SP is different, not any less than MP. Infact like have mentioned allready SP is more immersive for the most players. SP is the moneymaker. MP here is very nice. Friendly and helpfull.

OT out. Sorry Luke.

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Yes, at least as a fighter, you do have an impact on the career. Each squadron has a simulated roster of planes and pilots. If you shoot down enough aircraft, the enemy will put less and less planes in the air, with less experienced pilots. This means that all planes of your airforce have an increased chance to survive missions, gather experience and get promoted, which impacts their effectiveness. And you don't lose important planes, such as the mighty Mig-3 in Moscow. It's a snowball effect. Currently, in my Moscow campaign, us Russians basically control the southern skies. Mig-3 power ftw! In the beginning of the campaign we used to get jumped by multiple german flights along the way. Now we pass our patrols engaging some unfortunate lone 109-E7. On target, there's nobody there so we can linger as much as we like. And it's been a long time since I've seen an i-16 in the air.

 

I've seen the reverse of it on the german side. Due to to fault of my own, during a couple of missions our side kept loosing lots of planes to I-16s. Now most missions are low range and practically suicide runs.

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4 hours ago, Wolferl_1791 said:

Yes, at least as a fighter, you do have an impact on the career. Each squadron has a simulated roster of planes and pilots. If you shoot down enough aircraft, the enemy will put less and less planes in the air, with less experienced pilots.

 

Sorry,  but that's not the case at all.

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How better you do, how faster you get awarded promotions and money, decoration (Hero of the Soviet Union in October 1941), etc...

But one person cannot change the course of a war and never has.:salute:

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Any way.... can we please get back on subject?

 

When one says that Il2 has a "Dynamic" campaign, the word "dynamic" implies something about said campaign.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I think the new campaign is really great and a step in the right direction, but I am not sure if I would call it "dynamic"

 

"dynamic" to me implies that the player should be able to see some sort of change in response to his or her actions.

 

Although there is some of that (flights get suspended if you lose too many planes for example), I don't know if it is enough to warrant the title of "Dynamic".

 

I am interested to hear others thoughts on this.

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It wasn't marketed as a dynamic campaign - in fact, lack of persistence was explained pretty early on in to the concept.

 

Therefor, no expectation=/=no loss.

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25 minutes ago, =SqSq=switch201 said:

Any way.... can we please get back on subject?

 

When one says that Il2 has a "Dynamic" campaign, the word "dynamic" implies something about said campaign.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I think the new campaign is really great and a step in the right direction, but I am not sure if I would call it "dynamic"

 

We've talked about this ad-nauseam.

 

 

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Ok, I cleaned this..

 

The topic will remain locked since the OP question has been answered: No, it does not have any effect in the war. As Space_Ghost remarks, it wasnt marketed as "Dynamic" and it was explained early on, along with way to many offtopic, insults and so on... Also it has been discused plenty of times and the end its allways the same so no need to have this topic back unlocked.

 

Haash

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