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1 hour ago, hames123 said:

Or, OR, you could just face the reality that death happens in a war, and take advantage of the fact that you can always take control of a new pilot and try again.

 

You are right. But only in theory.

 

The fact that we have an iron man mode trumps your argument. The whole existance of it is to give us the 'death = end of campaign' experience. If we want to.

 

The OP clearly stated that he didn't want to go iron man, but is still facing the permanent end of his campaign after dying under certain circumstances.

 

Seems like a rather legit and reasonable complaint to me and definitely nothing that deserves 'get used to it' style answers.

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21 minutes ago, Fritz_X said:

 

You are right. But only in theory.

 

The fact that we have an iron man mode trumps your argument. The whole existance of it is to give us the 'death = end of campaign' experience. If we want to.

 

The OP clearly stated that he didn't want to go iron man, but is still facing the end of his campaign after dying under certain circumstances.

 

Seems like a rather legit an reasonable complaint to me and definitely nothing that deserves 'get used to it' style answers.

 

I agree. Iron Man should be the only mode where you, the player, are unable to resurrect your in game alter ego. In all other settings, realism scale high or low, you should be able to resurrect your alter ego. And if there are circumstances present where you are denied the possibility of resurrection this should be fixed IMHO. As a temporary workaround, as already mentioned, you can either edit the career database (cp.db) or continously backup the file after every flight to copy it back into the game folder may need arise.

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I'm just glad we have options. I'm the kind of gamer who is quite pleased with the inclusion of an official ironman mode, but that doesn't mean it is the only way to play. Elitism is bad.

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actually shouldnt be iron man mode the one in which you dont die?

 

i mean if youre made of iron...

 

and why not steel, superman is the man of steel not iron

 

iron man is guy in the technoarmor

 

edit btw you could get into trouble with marvel for using th term ironman  i hope a % of the profits of the game go to marvel

 

from now on im A

 

i sell art under the brand of A

 

a is my name and A is my brand logo designed by me which stands for going half way forever in the path to infinity never reaching it

 

my friends call my A A is my brand

 

777 gets away from this but any brand who uses my brand A should pay royalties

 

 

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21 minutes ago, raaaid said:

actually shouldnt be iron man mode the one in which you dont die?

 

i mean if youre made of iron...

 

 

No.

Iron Man is a metaphor , basically noting one has to be tough as iron to have the guts to fly in Iron Man Mode, meaning if you die , well your dead hence Career over.

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1 hour ago, raaaid said:

from now on im A

 

i sell art under the brand of A

 

a is my name and A is my brand logo designed by me which stands for going half way forever in the path to infinity never reaching it

 

my friends call my A A is my brand

 

777 gets away from this but any brand who uses my brand A should pay royalties

 

 

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Anyway, if what the OP says is true, it would definitely be nice to have this fixed.  I’ve been playing with iron man mode on, but if I wanted to play with it off, I would certainly be upset to lose my career.

 

I appreciate Iron Man Mode, however sometimes it feels there are some instances (like being shot by my wingman) that just happen too often.  Not sure how much longer I’ll run it, or perhaps run two careers concurrently, one with, and one without.

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1 hour ago, Brizzly said:

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Anyway, if what the OP says is true, it would definitely be nice to have this fixed.  I’ve been playing with iron man mode on, but if I wanted to play with it off, I would certainly be upset to lose my career.

 

I appreciate Iron Man Mode, however sometimes it feels there are some instances (like being shot by my wingman) that just happen too often.  Not sure how much longer I’ll run it, or perhaps run two careers concurrently, one with, and one without.

 

I do not have Iron Man checked, but I self enforce it when I am flying the Career. I am on like my 5th Career now.

Only reason I do it this way, is if something crazy happens and I feel justified in re-flying the mission. But if I am shot down and it is legit, or if I stupidly crash my plane into the ground and not survive, then  I end that Career.

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Did identical thing tonight. (fell asleep - always a career ender) and woke up to press finish instead of restart. Rage quit and so P****d at it I could scream. I was dozens of missions into my campaign. No way I'm starting over.

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.  My mistake typed before my mind kidded in.

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I could get behind not having to restart my career if I died and forgot to hit "refly".  I have sooo many campaigns started and deleted because of this.

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If you're paranoid of dying constantly in career mode just make a backup copy of the career files before you start a session/before you hit end on a mission.
You'll want make a copy of two files the base Career file and then the Usersave file.

They're located at:
IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad > data > Career
and
IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad > data > swf > IL2 > usersave

Keep these copies in a backup folder on your desktop or something and should your career come to an unexpected and ignominious end just exit the game and copy them back into the directory and voila, you're back from the dead.

Naturally this method can also be used for transferring Career saves in between drives and computers.

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The most worthwhile advice I give myself in Career Mode

Don’t play career like it’s a video game!

 

You'll be dead after one or two missions. Play like it’s real. Fly to survive, not just rack up gamey kill streaks. It’s much more realistic and exciting that way. Honestly nothing about combat makes sense without trying to survive. The Dicta Boelcke wasn’t advice on how to shoot down planes. It was how to shoot down planes and live to do it again. All that stuff about securing an advantage and remembering your line of retreat etc. It works man. 

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3 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

The most worthwhile advice I give myself in Career Mode

Don’t play career like it’s a video game!

 

Good advice, but sometimes the truly unexpected happens (I'm looking at you friendly A.I...).

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You need to always apply a rule to any digital application\device:

1. Have you spent more than 5 hours on something? Do backup.

2. Another 5 hours? Backup it up again, but in a different backup folder.

 

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10 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

The most worthwhile advice I give myself in Career Mode

Don’t play career like it’s a video game!

 

You'll be dead after one or two missions. Play like it’s real. Fly to survive, not just rack up gamey kill streaks. It’s much more realistic and exciting that way. Honestly nothing about combat makes sense without trying to survive. The Dicta Boelcke wasn’t advice on how to shoot down planes. It was how to shoot down planes and live to do it again. All that stuff about securing an advantage and remembering your line of retreat etc. It works man. 

 

While I do not disagree, IMHO the game should still be careful about respecting the players wishes in terms of dead is dead.  A career is a time sink.  If you are six actual months into an end to end campaign and then it's gone because you forgot to press Refly, I can understand feeling a bit put out.

 

Edit: some good responses here on how to back up a career.  I don't know if that is widely known.  Should save a good deal of agitation.

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7 hours ago, Noisemaker said:

 

Good advice, but sometimes the truly unexpected happens (I'm looking at you friendly A.I...).

Yeah your own flight colliding with you is just another way you can die. 

23 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

While I do not disagree, IMHO the game should still be careful about respecting the players wishes in terms of dead is dead.  A career is a time sink.  If you are six actual months into an end to end campaign and then it's gone because you forgot to press Refly, I can understand feeling a bit put out.

Oh certainly. Everyone can choose their challenge. Most of my careers aren’t Ironman because I do dumb stuff that real pilots never did like fly around at 4x speed and get interrupted by real life. But if I kept a dead pilot going it would seem fake to me. Legit dead and not because my wife knocked my TrackIR hat off my head because it’s lunchtime. 

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1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

Yeah your own flight colliding with you is just another way you can die. 

Oh certainly. Everyone can choose their challenge. Most of my careers aren’t Ironman because I do dumb stuff that real pilots never did like fly around at 4x speed and get interrupted by real life. But if I kept a dead pilot going it would seem fake to me. Legit dead and not because my wife knocked my TrackIR hat off my head because it’s lunchtime. 

 

I do the same.  Simple fact is that I am just not good enough and I admit as much.  Getting shot down counts but other stupid stuff that happens I give myself a pass for.  If I really played dead is dead I would never get past November 1941.

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You can see, when flying to survive, how these pilots had rules like Boelcke and some were actually killed, like Boelcke, for breaking their own rules. Like one for me is never pursue a damaged opponent. You may see him get hit and fall out down through a cloud or something. Let him go and keep up your awareness. I don’t like that IL-2 gives you kill messages whereas RoF didn’t. In reality you’d never know. But following an adversary down and getting fixated on them is too risky. In RoF that was suicidal since you’re so vulnerable to ground fire. Don’t be Richthofen. 
Altitude is life. You can glide a long way with a damaged engine back to your own lines. If you’re low and damaged it’s game over. See that’s one of Boelcke’s rules too. Remember your line of retreat. I can’t count how many career lives I’ve saved by being aware of that and disengaging combat and ditching over my own lines. 
There’s a bit in Winged Victory where Yeates realizes it would take a very good Hun to bring him down, but AAA there is no amount of skill that can save you (in WWI) I feel that way in Career, it would take a very good AI or me making a mistake of judgement or just a lucky shot. And there are avoidance techniques that can make it very hard for AAA to get you. 

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4 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

I don’t like that IL-2 gives you kill messages whereas RoF didn’t.

 

It's easy enough to turn them off.

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17 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

It's easy enough to turn them off.

 

One interesting thing is that there are a ton of options in GB that let you customize play.  I am not at all sure that people are aware of them.  Is there a one spot shop where one can learn about GB gameplay options?

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7 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It's easy enough to turn them off.

Oh you can? Cool...

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17 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Oh you can? Cool...

 

Yeah, it makes a big difference for immersion. Of course, one can still mash the Tab button to see if their kill list has increased, but I refrain from doing that.

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On 11/19/2020 at 9:28 PM, SharpeXB said:

Oh you can? Cool...

 

Where? How? and why is this not more widely known? I thought I missed things because I am new to the game but that doesn't seems to be the case.

 

On topic, I completely agree because most of the time I have to interrupt my game because real life. Someone calls me, package deliver, a job urgency, the frikking seismic alarm and I just need to get out of the game quickly without waiting for the whole "refly" process, I just need to get out quick and the firsts times playing I did punched the "continue" button. I can't imagine how it is for those that play ironman as they don't even have that option.

 

I remember that back in the 90's the X-Wing games had the option that if you died or got captured, you could revive your pilot but with your score reseted to zero and your rank down to flight officer. Maybe that could be implemented as a semi-iron man thing?

 

I will back up my pilots anyway.

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2 hours ago, BinakZaino said:

 

Where? How? and why is this not more widely known? I thought I missed things because I am new to the game but that doesn't seems to be the case.

It’s in the game settings “Kill Messages”

now that I think about it, I knew it was there and had it set on for MP

I think in RoF it was just automatically on for MP and there wasn’t an option for it in SP. so I kinda want it the same way. For whatever reason I like it that way because I was used to it. 
I don’t actually run most careers in Ironman because sometimes I decide just for fun that I do want to fly a “gamey” mission and shoot up stuff. 

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