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Battle of Malta (Lots of torpedo bombing & Italian Aircraft & Carrier Ops)

 

Or fleshing out the BoddenPlatte planeset with a slightly later or earlier battle would be good.

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3 hours ago, Space_Ghost said:

I realize disliking the Pacific altogether and preferring more obscure, early-war engagements (or more early/mid/late Eastern Front) puts me in a minority too. 

 

 

Not quite true, there is a lot in that category. Me included. But this Bodenplatte thingy really bleakened compared to PTO . And PTO was the promised next one. There is so many airplanes we going to miss out on if they go chronological. I hope they go back a little in time after all this

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Did someone go back in time and take Jason out before he had a chance to completely fill us in on the plan as he did MONTHS ago?

 

I somehow remained in the original timeline where there's been plenty of info and clarification. 

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Italy would really be something, as would the Spanish Civil War.  The Pacific will be unique though.  For one thing, won't it be the first time anybody has modelled IJA/IJN aircraft to a reasonably high fidelity, based on Japanese documentation?

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Two words...

 

New Guinea.

 

USAAF

RNZAF

RAAF

Imperial Japanese Army Air Corps.

 

An interesting array of aircraft, from Boomerangs to Ki61s, and it was a long campaign so lots of early to late war birds. And, it's a very important theater that has never been properly done.

 

Bring it.

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My concern with BoBo is that the load of late-war uber-fighters and Holland map risk being 'orphaned' if the next release jumps straight into 1942 Pacific naval aviation. 

 

I want to see the Pacific done comprehensively, starting with Midway then maybe a 1943 land-based release in New Guinea or the Solomons, then later war for the British Pacific Fleet and higher-powered naval aircraft again.

 

But that leaves the European set with a huge gap between summer '43 with BoK to winter '45 with BoBo. To do a fully-fledged Pacific theatre with three releases like we've got with the Eastern Front will likely take between three to five years. In that time I can't see much new content being created for BoBo as I imagine the devs will need all hands on deck (heh) to make the Pacific work.

After that time has passed, will five-a-side airquake over the Netherlands still be fresh?

I can also see how it might be difficult to add new, earlier aircraft to BoBo as everything will inevitably be a downgrade.

As much as I'd love a Hurricane IIc it's always going to be a step down in terms of performance with a Tempest, like a P-40N will be a step down from a P-51. Not to mention that we're already close to running out of original Luftwaffe aircraft that either haven't been done yet, or aren't just minor variants of existing models. 

 

The one thing for sure though is the Pacific needs to come after Bodenplatte, or there will be a lot of upset people. 

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Now that I'm home and I can type....here are some things that must selectively ignored in order for this thread to exist, or to mention the notion of the Med or BoB being brought up again.

No personal offense to Porkins ,who from what I can tell is a kind and intelligent fellow.

 

1. The Pacific is Jason's "thing", he's been wanting to do it forever...we know this (or if you don't, you're very new)

2. PTO was already announced. It was then announced it would be delayed (not cancelled, not postponed indefinitely) - simply delayed.

2.1 The PTO discussion sub-forum still exists.

3. The reason for the delay was clearly spelled out - "need more time to collect the appropriate research" and details were given on this matter, trip to Japan, etc.

4, Bodenplatte was announced to fill the gap while PTO research was being collected, this release was chosen due to the popularity of it's constituent aircraft to ensure continuity of revenue

   in other words...smart.

5 C/777 announced publicly that they entered an agreement to support Team Fusion, who happen to be taking CloD to the Med (not to mention already existing BoB)

     We've discussed ENDLESSLY the senselessness of the notion of 1C/777 competing with itself and duplicating theaters. That agreement basically ensured no-Med...

5.1 Yet that arrangement was basically superfluous to this question because Jason has little or no interest in the Med.

 

Yet, we still see Med, and Battle of Britian brought up here almost on a weekly basis.

 

So take any one or two of those things, and you pretty much have your answer about the next theater at this moment in time.

Jason might very well at some point announce that he couldn't get all of the appropriate research to execute PTO to his standards. That would be a worst case, no option, very difficult choice for a number of reasons.

I've said before that I don't anticipate this, but I can't know the future,

What I do know is the present....PTO is next after Bodenplatte unless we are informed otherwise.

 

So...until next week when this comes up again....please don't bring this up again.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

You don't think it a problem that they already have North Africa in CLoD:Blitz?   It does not make good business sense to hire a team to write  a sim on a different code base then as soon as they have done that throw it away and write your own version from scratch.     I

 

Not at all. The disappointment for many with the long anticipated update from Team Fusion Studios, now that the group have been held in regard as a professional team with access to the code for some time now, has brought about a realisation for many. CLOD's player base has already started to disband, including the likes of the Storm of War server recent abandonment from CLOD and many of the ATAG server regulars.

 

What doesn't appear to be helping this situation is TF's intertwining with the ATAG membership and said membership's banning of dissent on their forum. Numbers are dwindling and with the time-frame in question here, there are doubts now that CLOD will have the critical mass of players needed for this professional development team to continue their work. People are just going elsewhere. The good news however is that this has all been a great PR move from Jason and when the time comes it may be this team who will be in the position to potentially work on the North Africa campaign. 

 

The real pity here is the fact that many have held on for the best part of a decade now. However, as of recently folks are starting to see the wood for the trees and there has been a lot of disappointment. Just too little, too late.

 

Never in the field of flight sim conflicts was so much disappointment had by so many with so few.

 

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I hardly ever fly The Eastern Front as ...The Eastern Front. I dress up my P-40 and Spit in North Africa schemes and use the Stalingrad map as Tunisia. I paint my P-40 as a Flying Tiger and the Stalingrad map is China. When I pick up Kuban, the map is going to be the South Pacific and I'll be flying my P-40. P-39 and A-20 in 5th Air Force markings. But yeah, no more Eastern Front stuff for me either. 

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Gents,

 

I truly care little for what is next on the horizon as I have found that the ignorant part of me that thinks "I have no interest in this and I care little for those aircraft" soon disappears and I'm left wondering after I start the game why I hadn't been interested before, considering that I really enjoy everything military aviation related.  This for me was clearly demonstrated with VVS aircraft, although I'm now wondering why we can't get Redbull to sponsor the game (JOKE) :biggrin:

 

That said, what ever comes next, I think it needs to have a broad spectrum of aircraft available to enable all players to have something that they enjoy and appeals to them to want to buy.  As we have seen with BOS, BOM and BOK, we have fighters, fighter/bombers and bombers, with even tanks that can be played.  I think Jason and the team are cognisant of this requirement and as such it perhaps is difficult to pick out theatre of operations or battles that allows for this vast array of aircraft sets.  Now I think that Battle Of Bodenplatte perhaps is best remembered for the Y-29 aerial engagement, although the P-47s involved in that were actually on route/or returning from a Close Air Support operation, however, there were other bombers involved and I for one would like to see the Ar 234 included in this pack up as a collector plane at a later date or even the Ju-88G fighter.  However, as already has been discussed at length, there are limitations that at this stage that will not allow the four engine bombers that a lot of us crave for, so we are limited to twin engines.  

 

However, perhaps Battle Of Bodenplatte might be misleading as this next release will be covering a period of time and not just that one operation and I hope that perhaps the Battle of the Bulge with tanks etc might be included in that period if that has not already been discussed and we might be able to have some bloody good dog fights with the Allies escorting the Ai bombers, but we will have to wait and see.  However, this next release covers a nice number of aircraft that should appeal to all types.  I still believe that there are lots of other opportunities still out there to be used, such as the various Israeli aerial conflicts spanning from 82-73 or even the Korean war (although perhaps limited aircraft selection for North Korea), however,  no matter what period is chosen, I think the team needs to ensure that there is a nice mix of aircraft. 

 

Although the Pacific perhaps appears a bloody boring area, when you look at the various engagements that occurred in the Pacific region, you could almost have at least 10 years worth of games/campaigns from there alone.  This area of operation certainly allows for a large number of aircraft types to be used and as such I believe is interesting and certainly challenging for the team and hence why it was delayed.  In addition, perhaps sometimes there is a belief that the Pacific conflict was just an American/Japanese fight, however, as already has been posted this was not the case.    

 

Anyway, whatever curve ball Jason might throw at us, I'm sure that although it is our passion as it is his, it is his livelihood and as such I'm sure we will all be pleasantly surprised.

 

Regards 

 

 

 

 

 

  

Just now, 216th_Jordan said:

 

 

NO. :negative:

P-A-C-I-F-I-C

 

P-A-C-I-F-I-S-T

:lol:

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9 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Two words...

 

New Guinea.

 

USAAF

RNZAF

RAAF

Imperial Japanese Army Air Corps.

 

An interesting array of aircraft, from Boomerangs to Ki61s, and it was a long campaign so lots of early to late war birds. And, it's a very important theater that has never been properly done.

 

Bring it.

Hell yes, plus we will get the spitfire mk ix they can turn into an viii. The A20 to G version, mustangs, etc. all that work they did on the kuban map for the mountains. Just add in some beaufighters, corsairs, wildcats, zeros, Betty’s, Kate’s etc would be awesome. Muddy airfields you name it. Even pull out the old arty spotting from RoF for use with the Boomerang.

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8 hours ago, Mcdaddy said:

 CLOD's player base has already started to disband, including the likes of the Storm of War server recent abandonment from CLOD and many of the ATAG server regulars.

 

Actually SoW abandoned CLoD about a year ago and have been playing DCS ever since. My own squad, 56 RAF, left for DCS about the same time but we only stayed long enough to see that the eagerly awaited Normandy extension was not what we had hoped for and came here.  

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Just now, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

Actually SoW abandoned CLoD about a year ago and have been playing DCS ever since. My own squad, 56 RAF, left for DCS about the same time but we only stayed long enough to see that the eagerly awaited Normandy extension was not what we had hoped for and came here.  

 

So are 56 doing the next TAW campaign as it would be great if a few of us non Squad types could perhaps team up with if you were doing TAW? 

Pass on my regards to Talisman!

 

I will PM if you guys are!

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8 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Yet, we still see Med, and Battle of Britian brought up here almost on a weekly basis.

 

It's obviously a popular topic for discussion. If people want to talk about other theatres, regardless of how aspirational or unlikely they are, or regardless of whether you yourself want them, then that's grand. 

 

I want to get to the Pacific. That is in no way incompatible with also wanting the Med. We know the devs read the forum and take suggestions, hence the Po-2 and 109G-6, so throwing ideas into the mix might give them a few ideas, or a steer as to what might be commercially successful. 

 

And at at the end of the day all this wild speculating about preferences is fun, and informative. 

 

8 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

So...until next week when this comes up again....please don't bring this up again.

 

 

 If it's posted again I'll contribute again, as I'm sure others will too. 

There's no harm in this sort of discussion, especially as we already know the Pacific is happening next regardless of what the forums say. 

 

 

 

I'm not taking aim at you individually but your post best encapsulates the point I'm trying to make. 

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I'd love to see a Pacific theater. What I don't understand is how they will depict the battle of Midway in this engine. That battle could involve upwards of 20-60 airplanes all in the same combat area. From what I have seen and read, this engine doesn't have the ability to display anywhere near that many fighters in single player.

 

Attacking the Akagi with 8 dive bombers while 8 fighters scramble to protect it is not going to do the battle justice. 

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28 minutes ago, Porkins said:

I'd love to see a Pacific theater. What I don't understand is how they will depict the battle of Midway in this engine. That battle could involve upwards of 20-60 airplanes all in the same combat area. From what I have seen and read, this engine doesn't have the ability to display anywhere near that many fighters in single player.

 

Attacking the Akagi with 8 dive bombers while 8 fighters scramble to protect it is not going to do the battle justice. 

 

I have had 33 aircraft in the same area at once in a career mission (8xYak-7b, 9xIL-2, 10xBf109G2, 6xBf109G4 plus 30+ ground targets) it ran okay-ish on my ancient system on ultra on the Kuban map.

 

I am fairly confident, that the  system can handle at least the bare minimum of planes required for a realistic portrayal of carrier based combat.

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16 hours ago, =27=Davesteu said:

Interesting to see several topics with basically the same ulterior motives appearing lately.
But it's actually an interesting topic to me just for studying opinions.

I'll quote myself and add a few lines:

¬ĻBurma and New Guinea I basically wish for on equal terms

 

 

I always wonder why so many focus on aircraft carriers talking/thinking (?) about Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre. Yes, they played an important role, especially in the CENPAC (Central Pacific Area of Pacific Ocean Areas command), but most out of those scenarios are impractical/unfavorable for a game like this.
The Battle of Santa Cruz or Coral Sea are scenariowise better suited, but I think Midway might be the best one to depict carrier warfare. It's not a personal choice - I wouldn't mind skipping on it - but fair enough it's the best option for CV-action imho. I'm after all happy to get anything Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre related, but I'm concerned we in the end are just going to see a refurbished version of IL2 "Pacific Fighters".
IL2 "Pacific Fighters" was extremely nice for its days, but scenariowise not perfect. I could cope with it for I'm highly interested in this Theatre, actually I loved it, but only later on with modding it really fulfilled my wishes.
Many are of course thinking about the Zero in terms of Japanese Aviation. Many are thinking about aircraft carriers. Many are thinking about Wildcat, Hellcat, Corsair, Dauntless & Avanger - and that's basically what "Pacific Fighters" provided. But that's really only a portion of the Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre.
Most without at least some general interest in this Theatre are losing interest in flying naval scenarios very fast for they aren't interested enough to cope with the staleness of those missions. Midway at least provides the Japanese Navy with possibility of raids against the Islands - still long distance flights over nothing but water to attack Eastern Island, which isn't much more than a big sandy aircraft carrier, or Sand Island which isn't much more than a sandy version of Novorossiysk's harbor/industrial area. You bomb them over, and over, and over again if you are bored of bombing/torpedoing the same ships over, and over, and over again.
In singleplayer you at least can accelerate time if you want to, but multiplayer you have to endure the stale scenery for let's say five sixths out of your overall flight.
I don't fabricate all this concerns, I observed it many years on myself and mostly other players.
People don't change in this regard, therefore it's a bit paradox especially those with limited interest in the Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre focus on this portion of the Theatre.

 

Another topic I wonder about for years now is the popularity of Normandy scenarios in flight sims. You guys know about the aerial warfare there? The scenario (and map) plays an immensely important role, it's not solely about the types of aircraft.
There wasn't that much of an aerial campaign from the Luftwaffe side. I know there was some, yet I doubt it was what you are thinking of.
But I accept your opinion/wishes.

 

 

You are over thinking it. The reason I enjoy the current iteration of IL2 Is VR and and the "feeling" of flight. You can stick me in a bird with nothing in view but the pacific ocean and everything I enjoy is still there. I'm there, in that warbird and the experience will be good.
 

I really can't wait to try my hand at carrier landings in this modern sim. MP is going to be interesting too. You get shot up, radio beacon destroyed, you are disorientated, not exactly sure where the carrier is, what do you do ? Can't wait to find out :)

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19 hours ago, Finkeren said:

Obviously the next title after BoBP will see a return to the Eastern Front (most likely a 1944 scenario like Bagration or Kurland)

Once BoBP comes out, the community will realize just how much they miss the Great Patriotic War and how perfect a setting it is for a combat flight sim, and they will rise up and demand more Yaks, LaGGs and IL-2s.

 

Finkeren please.....!!!!

we have eaten enough russian maps until now..

After BoBP everything is aceptable..but stop to other russian theatres.

Obviusly Italy 1944-45 with his great display of italian planes of that time could be lot of fun...Afrika could be a dream..PTO cool !!

 

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26 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

 

I have had 33 aircraft in the same area at once in a career mission (8xYak-7b, 9xIL-2, 10xBf109G2, 6xBf109G4 plus 30+ ground targets) it ran okay-ish on my ancient system on ultra on the Kuban map.

 

I am fairly confident, that the  system can handle at least the bare minimum of planes required for a realistic portrayal of carrier based combat.

Wow, I was not aware that was possible. In all honesty 30 is probably "good enough." While some battles during Midway ranged up to 60+ planes at once, being able to show 30 attackers and defenders would probably give it the feel. 

 

As LD said above, perhaps not having to render much in the way of ground units (or topography) would allow even more AI planes to be in the air. 

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I don't think ground units take up many CPU cycles in the career because the greater majority of them are static, without fancy triggers or routes to navigate.

 

I've had similarly sized engagements to what Fink mentions and I haven't seen any significant performance issues.

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I don't see the appeal of Central Pacific tbh, carrier ops are a gimmick which, sure, looks shiny, but only serves to add interest to the beginning of a flight and a crash to the end. The bit in the middle, where you navigate with a stopwatch and compass over a featureless blue sea sounds fascinating.

 

Surely one of the defining features of central pacific ops was the fact that, often, air forces were operating at or beyond extreme range. I don't see a way to make that given the admittedly limited scale of maps possible in Great Battles. Even if you could make the maps reflect the actual size of areas of operations, it's a few masochistic players who are going to enjoy taking off on a strike mission knowing that even if everything goes perfectly, they aren't going to have the fuel to get home. The plane set is dull too - generic radial fighters on both sides and generic radial dive / torpedo bombers, including some which played pivotal parts which are unlikely to be modelled due to licensing issues. Although, I will grant that 16 hour Catalina flights to gain intel before the strike forces could even take off would really stretch out game time on multiplayer servers.

 

If we have to go PTO, then I'd much rather go SE Asia or SW Pacific. My main preference would be SE Asia '41/2. You could have a brilliant plane set which would also fit well in several other theatres:

 

Allied: Hurricane (!), Buffalo, Blenheim, Hudson, Albacore

Axis: Oscar, Nate, Mitsubishi Ki-21 Sally, Mitsubishi Ki-30 Ann, Mitsubishi Ki-51 Sonia.

 

AMMIRITE?!?

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14 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

1. The Pacific is Jason's "thing", he's been wanting to do it forever...we know this (or if you don't, you're very new)

Whether or not Asiatic(?)-Pacific-Theatre is private Jason's "thing" doesn't matter - businessman Jason understandably doesn't want to ruin a business.
If there is a market, there will likely be a product - so present the market.

 

 

15 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

two words...

New Guinea.

 

USAAF

RNZAF

RAAF

Imperial Japanese Army Air Corps.

My sentiments exactly! :cool:
There are many Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre scenarios I would be interested in, but (Papua) New Guinea not only is among my personal favorites, I'm also convinced it's one or even the best scenario for the broad market.

While you are de facto correctly including RNZAF (Bougainville politically is part of New Guinea) I wouldn't do so.
Arguably Bougainville was part of both, Solomon and New Guinea Campaign, but it's only secondary to the overall New Guinea Campaign while more important to the Solomon one.
Neither do I expect Bougainville to be included on a map of realistic size to hope for - I wouldn't object it though. :happy:
But "just" the RAAF and USAAF provide for so many possibilities - I'm more concerned about how to squeeze this into a 5-5 setup (it's very limiting actually).

Comparing New Guinea to Burma latter is an even more exotic scenario (positive aspect to me), but New Guinea features major IJN & IJA campaigns, even nicely separated, while Burma mostly was IJA operational area with IJN only supporting sporadically. Choice of aircraft is nice and divers with both scenarios, but despite being personally more interested in IJA aircraft I feel New Guinea is favorable for reasons explained.

6 hours ago, Tyberan said:

Hell yes, plus we will get the spitfire mk ix they can turn into an viii. The A20 to G version, mustangs, etc. all that work they did on the kuban map for the mountains. Just add in some beaufighters, corsairs, wildcats, zeros, Betty’s, Kate’s etc would be awesome. Muddy airfields you name it. Even pull out the old arty spotting from RoF for use with the Boomerang.

I would hope for a Boomerang too, but regarding some of the other aircraft I'm sorry to correct you:
-Spitfire VIII should be Mk. Vc; compared to other types it's less important imho, but I know, it's a Spit
-P-51 very limited and only long after Japanese aerial opposition cased; New Guinea is P-38, P-39, P-40 & P-47
-Corsairs only if you count Bougainville

-Wildcat and Kate very limited
But Dauntless-oholics can relax: Besides very limited usage under SBD designation the Army provides for A-24 :biggrin:

 

 

45 minutes ago, =FEW=Herne said:

You are over thinking it. The reason I enjoy the current iteration of IL2 Is VR and and the "feeling" of flight. You can stick me in a bird with nothing in view but the pacific ocean and everything I enjoy is still there. I'm there, in that warbird and the experience will be good.
 

I really can't wait to try my hand at carrier landings in this modern sim. MP is going to be interesting too. You get shot up, radio beacon destroyed, you are disorientated, not exactly sure where the carrier is, what do you do ? Can't wait to find out :)

That's your fair opinion. But I'm rather confident about my observations, which after all was what my text is about - not my personal preference.

 

19 hours ago, Space_Ghost said:

 

I've always liked the concept of an IL-2: Legion Condor expansion with He 112's, Hs 123's, Bf109 B/C's, etc.

 

I realize disliking the Pacific altogether and preferring more obscure, early-war engagements (or more early/mid/late Eastern Front) puts me in a minority too. 

I doubt disliking Pacific puts you into a minority, but if it does, I'm a recluse then? :ph34r: Preferring obscure, early-war AND Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre scenarios...

 

9 hours ago, Haza said:

I truly care little for what is next on the horizon as I have found that the ignorant part of me that thinks "I have no interest in this and I care little for those aircraft" soon disappears and I'm left wondering after I start the game why I hadn't been interested before, considering that I really enjoy everything military aviation related.

Luckily there are still people of your kind! :salute:

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49 minutes ago, =27=Davesteu said:

Whether or not Asiatic(?)-Pacific-Theatre is private Jason's "thing" doesn't matter - businessman Jason understandably doesn't want to ruin a business.
If there is a market, there will likely be a product - so present the market

 

Who exactly are you arguing with here?

Way to ignore context completely - pick one thing out as if it was said on its own and respond to it in order to be contrary.

 

 

 

 

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I'm not arguing with you at all. Neither did I pick it out or change its message. Where did you get that from?

You are looking forward to the Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre, I know, and so do I like you probably noticed. No need to defend this Theatre against me.
Still I don't think your first argument is a good one. 

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1 hour ago, Space_Ghost said:

I don't think ground units take up many CPU cycles in the career because the greater majority of them are static, without fancy triggers or routes to navigate.

 

I've had similarly sized engagements to what Fink mentions and I haven't seen any significant performance issues.

 

I agree about the impact of ground units not being that great, but I think having a map that’s mostly ocean is gonna save some ram and processing power compared to the mountains and forests of Kuban.

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2 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

 

I agree about the impact of ground units not being that great, but I think having a map that’s mostly ocean is gonna save some ram and processing power compared to the mountains and forests of Kuban.

Yep, probably less stress on the GPU, but on the other hand one or two warships with their dozens of battle stations will probably put an extra demand on the CPU. Anyway, I wish we were already there to complain about it. :rolleyes:

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2 minutes ago, banzaii said:

Pacific is where the money is at

 

I have yet to see any evidence to indicate, that this is the case.

 

I have nothing against the Pacific and all kidding aside, I think it is by far the more likely scenario that we get a PTO title after BoBP, but I am far from convinced, that it will sell well on the basis of that alone.

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To be fair there was no Pacific oriented flight sim for the last 14 years and for another 2+ there wont be one so its hard to look for any evidence of that. Even experiences with Pacific Fighters and former flight sims do not apply since they were released in a completely different times. So yes, it remains to be seen how profitable PTO will be.

 

42 minutes ago, sniperton said:

Yep, probably less stress on the GPU, but on the other hand one or two warships with their dozens of battle stations will probably put an extra demand on the CPU. Anyway, I wish we were already there to complain about it. :rolleyes:

Precisely, unlike with static ground units there will be a fleet to coordinate. Even a small U.S. Task Force in 1942 would consist of an aircraft carrier, two to four cruisers and a bunch of destroyers. Japanese Fleets were composed of two aircraft carriers, cruisers and destroyers as well. So there could be a dozen or two of ships with a number of aircraft above. And on top of that there is AA on every ship. 
From a technical standpoint I really wonder how this will be tackled :) 

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I want the Pacific just as much as the next guy but I would also like to see western europe fleshed out more as well. The invasion of sicily and Italy would be a good addition imo and would give us a nice timeframe.

 

With Italy we could get earlier aircraft from 43-44 like the Razorback or even a early model Mustang. It would also go well with bodenplatte because both involve the 9th Air Force and we could have a good career mode going from Sicily/Italy-Bodenplatte.

 

Battle of Italy/Sicily makes the most sense imo. Leaving western Europe half finished and going straight to the Pacific is a mistake imo.

 

Also, many of the Axis aircraft are already here so the devs could focus on adding more American/British aircraft and only add a couple interesting German ones, this way we get a complete planeset spanning from 1943-1945

 

 

I vote Il-2 Battle of Italy 

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