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Thanks for all the work, folks.  Being from the land of consoles, first-person shooters and no more "net neutrality" I can't reach the European servers very reliably and it is nice to have choices.  A "game" this hard to play is never going to attract the crowds that the more arcade-like games attract.

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23 hours ago, RainbowCorner3 said:

Thanks for all the work, folks.  Being from the land of consoles, first-person shooters and no more "net neutrality" I can't reach the European servers very reliably and it is nice to have choices.  A "game" this hard to play is never going to attract the crowds that the more arcade-like games attract.

You're welcome, I put this server together because I was not satisfied with the server options, but our either had air quake,/war thunder like servers (hero lag and wol) or super serious servers like taw. I wanted a server that anyone could jump into at any time and be able to play with their mates and hunt ai, go ground pounding or just fly and still get a fun experience. The aim of ai in our missions is to make the missions feel like a battlefield. We are still a way off from where I want things to be but we are close enough that it's fun. I'm glad you enjoy the server.

 

hopefully we will have a full set of missions back in rotation today, and more on the way

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Hi All, I Apologise for the server instability over the last short while.

Unfortunately Patch 3.005 (and 3.005b) seem to have stability problems with the server component frequently crashing for no apparent reason.

I try make sure I start the server back up whenever it goes down but I can't keep track of it at all times.

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Hello gents😀 .   My friend and I just entered into IL-2 Sturmovik about a month ago.  We are both big fans of DCS World but due to the lack of WWII aircraft and bombers, I became interested in iL-2 and we bought Battle of Bodenplatte and Battle of Kuban (for the bombers mostly), my friend going along with me so we can fly together!  We first flew in Single Player mode and really loved the fact that we could get in the air in a relatively short period of time and didn't need to immerse ourselves in manuals for a few weeks just to start the aircraft.  HOWEVER, once we got into multiplayer servers we were dropping out of the skies shortly after take offs with various engine failures.  Maybe we need to begin in "Normal" mode not "Expert".

 

We are looking for a PvP server "Normal" mode that we can enjoy but I guess there are a lot more key bindings that we need to familiarize ourselves with.   We are not having much luck finding information on what one needs to do to keep in the air in multiplayer servers.  Any help would be much appreciated.

 

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18 minutes ago, PerfectionMan said:

Hello gents😀 .   My friend and I just entered into IL-2 Sturmovik about a month ago.  We are both big fans of DCS World but due to the lack of WWII aircraft and bombers, I became interested in iL-2 and we bought Battle of Bodenplatte and Battle of Kuban (for the bombers mostly), my friend going along with me so we can fly together!  We first flew in Single Player mode and really loved the fact that we could get in the air in a relatively short period of time and didn't need to immerse ourselves in manuals for a few weeks just to start the aircraft.  HOWEVER, once we got into multiplayer servers we were dropping out of the skies shortly after take offs with various engine failures. 

 

We are looking for a PvP server that we can enjoy but I guess there are a lot more key bindings that we need to familiarize ourselves with.   We are not having much luck finding information on what one needs to do to keep in the air in multiplayer servers.  Any help would be much appreciated.

 

Hi there, firstly it sounds like in single player you have been flying on the simple flight systems, eg auto throttle, radiators etc. You want to make sure the following controls are bound:

- throttle, joystick and rudder.

- radiators (both oil and water), cowlings (inlet and outlet, i set these to the same controls as radiators).

- flaps and gear.

 

Most multiplayer servers run on realistic settings with map location markers, so you cant just give it full throttle and keep it there, you need to fly within the specs of the aircraft. Continuous mode is where you will do most of your flying with limited amounts of time in combat/climb mod and very short bursts in emergency/take off modes. I'm on my phone so I cant give you detailed help right now but a quick Google should help greatly 

 

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Thanks DeadMeat0383 for your reply. 

 

You stated:  "radiators (both oil and water), cowlings (inlet and outlet, i set these to the same controls as radiators)." 

 

So open/close of the 3, oil radiators, water radiators and cowlings (inlet and outlet) can be mapped to the same key binding so that a single press will activate (open/close) all 3?

How about prop feathering and fuel mixture?  There are so many engine settings listed.  We are never sure what is necessary to use or at what times.  We really wish there were some YouTube vids that explain this for us noobs to il2.

 

BTW, I use a x52 Pro. and EdTracker Pro Wireless with Opentrack.

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17 minutes ago, PerfectionMan said:

Thanks DeadMeat0383 for your reply. 

 

You stated:  "radiators (both oil and water), cowlings (inlet and outlet, i set these to the same controls as radiators)." 

 

So open/close of the 3, oil radiators, water radiators and cowlings (inlet and outlet) can be mapped to the same key binding so that a single press will activate (open/close) all 3?

How about prop feathering and fuel mixture?  There are so many engine settings listed.  We are never sure what is necessary to use or at what times.  We really wish there were some YouTube vids that explain this for us noobs to il2.

 

BTW, I use a x52 Pro. and use EdTracker Pro Wireless with Opentrack.

Yes, multiple controls can be assigned to one button/axis.
I also forgot you will need prop pitch/prop rpm set to a button/axis as well and fuel mixture set to another.

It depends on the aircraft you are flying as to what controls you need
Below are two videos by DerSheriff which should help you


How to MiG-3 - Il2: Battle of Stalingrad - Tutorial/Guide

How to Bf 109 F-4 - IL-2: Battle of Stalingrad

Also here is a video of mine on the He-111

Basic IL2 takeoff guide He111

 

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On 8/24/2018 at 12:59 AM, LizLemon said:

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Thanks again DeadMeat.  I will take a look and bind those settings and watch those two vids :)

 

Just to be clear, prop pitch and prop RPM can be mapped to same binding?

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3 minutes ago, PerfectionMan said:

Thanks again DeadMeat.  I will take a look and bind those settings and watch those two vids :)

I updated the post and added a 3rd video

11 minutes ago, PerfectionMan said:

Just to be clear, prop pitch and prop RPM can be mapped to same binding?

Yep, just make sure if you bind multiple things to the same button/axis that the + and - are both set to the same thing so you don't open one thing while closing another

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BTW, can "Automatic mixtures and Superchargers Control" and "Automatic Radiators Control" work on Expert multiplayer servers?  This might make it easier to cope I think.

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As far as I know those options are related to planes like the 109 (except the 109e-7) which have automatic radiator control, rpm control and supercharger control.

Just keep practicing and you will get the hang of it.

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Just had a flight on your server and Wow what a ride a ride it is  ) Love the turbulences / wind  Not so much the AAA  or the out of nowhere E-7'S I blundered across  But it is war hey (   I will be back when  not pushed for time Thanks    

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This is a great server with a well constructed map that doesn't result in excessive patrol time, and some nice flavor with ai units crossing the map en route to somewhere else.

 

Only problem is no one plays it.

 

The only other suggestion I'd make is the planeset, with every plane available. So it is buy Bodenplatte or get pasted by late war aircraft. But this is a problem common to many servers and is ultimately a result of how 777 structures their product.

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On 10/31/2018 at 4:13 AM, Drifter82 said:

This is a great server with a well constructed map that doesn't result in excessive patrol time, and some nice flavor with ai units crossing the map en route to somewhere else.

 

Only problem is no one plays it.

 

The only other suggestion I'd make is the planeset, with every plane available. So it is buy Bodenplatte or get pasted by late war aircraft. But this is a problem common to many servers and is ultimately a result of how 777 structures their product.

One of the downsides of being based in Australia unfortunately, as for the plane set making all aircraft available is to make it so anyone can fly what they want, I will frequently fly out in planes like the i-16 or P40 for fun and I don't really get stomped in them.

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I know mate, more the shame is my point. Some nicely put together missions.

 

Regarding the planeset, the numbers are so low due to the Aus playerbase that it's not worth really worrying about. But they are vastly superior by definition, it'd just be the random quality of pilots dropping in and out.

 

I was flying g2 against Spit9s etc, sometimes you'd get em with a good bounce, but the longer the fight goes on the superior performance of the late war craft begins to show.

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5 minutes ago, Drifter82 said:

I know mate, more the shame is my point. Some nicely put together missions.

 

Regarding the planeset, the numbers are so low due to the Aus playerbase that it's not worth really worrying about. But they are vastly superior by definition, it'd just be the random quality of pilots dropping in and out.

 

I was flying g2 against Spit9s etc, sometimes you'd get em with a good bounce, but the longer the fight goes on the superior performance of the late war craft begins to show.

That may be true... but what are you doing in a long drawn out fight with a spitfire anyway? doesnt really matter what you are flying you are likely to lose in that situation.

Anyway a new mission is progressing well, hoping to get some more done today and tomorrow, hopefully enough to get it up on the test server.

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On 11/10/2018 at 3:24 PM, DeadMeat0383 said:

That may be true... but what are you doing in a long drawn out fight with a spitfire anyway?

 

Losing. You stuff up your bounce on an aircraft that can outrun, outclimb, outturn you, you can get yourself in a bad position. This used to be common sense but has become a sensitive topic with multiple expansion packs.

 

Do you never get shot down? We can't actually have a debate over the effectiveness of late war aircraft, I'll feel like I'm in some parallel world. Like I'm tasting burnt oranges. The Spad's are coming soon so it'll be on like Donkey Kong then

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On 11/10/2018 at 5:18 PM, Drifter82 said:

I was flying g2 against Spit9s etc, sometimes you'd get em with a good bounce, but the longer the fight goes on the superior performance of the late war craft begins to show.

 

The g2 should have better energy efficiency than the spit ix , even with the better engine the frame is still more draggy than a 109.

FYI: I would suggest the f4 rather than g2 if you have it.

 

Caveat :

The 109 is and easy plane to fly , but takes a lot of skill and practice to master and use correctly to get the best out of it. (you have to fight the spit in the vertical, never the horizontal, unless you have a pretty damn good kill shot). The g2 should be able to gain energy on the ix, but it would still be a difficult fight on equal energy.

I lot of ppl don't really know how to fly a 109 to its full potential (and I'm still working on it too), its not an easy plane to master and get the most out of. You need to have very good energy managed flying. When you fight someone that does (109), its a very hard plane to beat, and when not its an easy kill.

You can be a lot less competent in the spit and do well , in the 109 you have to be good to get the potential from it.

 

Unfortunately(or fortunately)  one of the downsides(upsides)  of this excellent server is you will face mismatched (unbalanced) planes, as many just pick the best planes (I like to fly a mix myself)

 

I don't have any early access content so I don't have any of the spits to test this Ingame. I wish the damn game would put an encyclopedia of plane specs like they do in Rise of Flight. As least then in theory you know the competition. (you can only get specs on planes you own in game currently)

 

I have flown the earlier spits on Clifs of Dover however... (mark 1 and 2 vs 109s), but not much.

 

My advice sub to mags/sherif and Requiem , utube channels and watch the pros and learn then practice.

 

Channel links:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfqbhEEocD5WFc1y6Xy7Zgg

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEOoU9PxkXEmsFdzrbvx37A

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwV5RLX7mkaDy5gTIiuwGmg

 

You might also want to see Arianne Scharfi fly too, (guy/girl??) knows how to throw a 109 around... very good pilot.

 

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See you are assuming that people will always pick the "best" planes. You are also assuming that people fly fighters all the time too... I spend most of my time in attackers and bombers and I know Magz at least does the same. When you say best planes, what do you mean? Best plane for what task?

 

Then you are also assuming the majority have all of the planes as well, not everyone is like me and owns all the planes. 

 

And something to note is that the missions will be adjusted as the new planes are released to limit numbers etc. Plan is to evolve the missions as I learn more about the editor 

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21 minutes ago, DeadMeat0383 said:

See you are assuming that people will always pick the "best" planes. You are also assuming that people fly fighters all the time too... I spend most of my time in attackers and bombers and I know Magz at least does the same. When you say best planes, what do you mean? Best plane for what task?

 

Then you are also assuming the majority have all of the planes as well, not everyone is like me and owns all the planes. 

 

And something to note is that the missions will be adjusted as the new planes are released to limit numbers etc. Plan is to evolve the missions as I learn more about the editor 

 

Wasn't a critical comment just an observation so far, the mark ix is popular for those that have it.
Yes best plane can mean a lot of different things....

I just got the la5fn so I obviously wanted to try that out on the server and I was happy to be able to do that. If I had a mark ix I'd want to do some stuff with that too.
I also like that you have those planes in game and many others (hence I made comment its good and bad thing).
A also fly attackers, bomber and recently pretty much been working my way through the russian planes after almost exclusive axis bias...

 

Last night I got my best ever streak on Wings of Liberty server. I flew il-2 1942 , pe2 87 and a yak 1b (doing escort for a squad member)

Took out quite a few ground targets in a il2 and the pe2

Got my first fighter kill in  a yak1b vs fw190. And had the silliest grin for hours.

I've only been doing mplay for just over a week having been predominately doing single player stuff and making missions with editor.

As I wanted to have a few skills before I got among the sharks online that hunt in packs...

 

And lastly I joined a small au squad last week from guys I met flying on your server(and I'm in NZ)

Its been a real blast to be able to fly with others , now we just need to work on the coordinated team flying...

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Clearly I'm too tired and I came across grumpy unintentionally. Anyway point is that it may seem unbalanced at first... but ends up being fine in practice because most people who fly on this server fly what they want not what is thought to be best 😛

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WoL imploded mid flight tonight and so I jumped into the Unprofessionals. I was happy to find no external views and a fantastic ping. There was about 10 - 20 players on at that time too. I even got to fly the Jug online. I was quite impressed.

 

And then the sun set, it soon became dark, with another 2 hours remaining on the server clock, and everybody left. That was a pity. Is that a design? - nightflying? It seems not many are keen - they all left.

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It's the design of that mission, although it shouldn't be fully dark until there is about 30 minutes left... I updated the missions at 3am after working a 12 hour day. I'll update it soon.

@Flitgun Yes night flying is unpopular apparently, i find it interesting and different personally

 

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I suppose night flying could be interesting in some scenarios. Though I think most pilots want to seek out enemy planes and shoot them down. That becomes impossible if one can't see enemy planes. It wasn't completely dark, but visibility was extremely low. And, I am sure this factor caused everybody to leave at that time, which was not far off peak time for your target player. 

 

That is just my opinion feedback for you. Overall I liked it and this is why I bother to seek out this thread and write here. I shall certainly give The Unprofessionals server more attention in the future. Also, I think you used to have external views on(?), which is why I had been avoiding it for so long.

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8 minutes ago, Flitgun said:

Also, I think you used to have external views on(?), which is why I had been avoiding it for so long.

External views has only ever been enabled on the test server which is used for mission development, maybe you jumped on that one by mistake one time?

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Had another blast last night DeadMeat. There were guys getting about in tanks while several enemy players in planes tried to bomb them, but could not. It was quite amusing. I thought I'd been hit in my P47 by a tank shot.

 

Though none of these missions last night were updated to the Unprofessionals stats server. This happens quite frequently (some missions on Unprofessionals are not updated to stats server). Any idea why that happens, or rather doesn't happen?

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3 hours ago, Flitgun said:

Though none of these missions last night were updated to the Unprofessionals stats server. This happens quite frequently (some missions on Unprofessionals are not updated to stats server). Any idea why that happens, or rather doesn't happen?

Mission logs are written to a text file which are then imported into a database by a piece of software written by one of the il2 devs. Sometimes the text file is corrupted or incomplete and it doesn't parse it. I'll have a look and see if it's not importing any tonight after work

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Thx DM0383 for the time and effort you are putting into the server. 

It would be nice if we could get Oz/NZ timezone players to unite around the server but good numbers of players attract other players, so WOL ect rule in this regard.

And the local online player-base is obviously not that strong and most (all?) of the old outfits eg Real Aussie Air Force, etc have "augured in".

Maybe at some stage promote a COOP event and see if locals would support that.

 

Anyway, agree with the policy of AI on the server to supplement the numbers.

 

Good luck with it!

 

 

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9 hours ago, VVS-A_Felix58 said:

Thx DM0383 for the time and effort you are putting into the server. 

It would be nice if we could get Oz/NZ timezone players to unite around the server but good numbers of players attract other players, so WOL ect rule in this regard.

And the local online player-base is obviously not that strong and most (all?) of the old outfits eg Real Aussie Air Force, etc have "augured in".

Maybe at some stage promote a COOP event and see if locals would support that.

 

Anyway, agree with the policy of AI on the server to supplement the numbers.

 

Good luck with it!

 

 

My pleasure, im finding more and more enjoyment in building my missions... they are fairly basic missions in the grand scheme of things but as I get more experience I add additional things in and make them more well thought out and balanced.

 

As for the online player base, im consistantly seeing players on the server while the numbers are not huge, the server is still populated, and the more people that are on the more that join. I would rather not take WoL players... I would rather there be more players :P

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9 minutes ago, wombatBritishBulldogs said:

Rotate between KOTA and Your server ! your servers lack of lag combined with 100 fps is great Thank You . Do you accept donations ? 

Haha thankyou, but no I don't accept donation, there are legal and tax issues involved that I wish to avoid.

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Something is definitely wrong with those mission logs. Don't mean to be a pain, but, thought you might like to know. Call me a stat whore, maybe.... I just like to look at my flight log and see what I got done ...or who done me. 😊

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11 minutes ago, Flitgun said:

Something is definitely wrong with those mission logs. Don't mean to be a pain, but, thought you might like to know. Call me a stat whore, maybe.... I just like to look at my flight log and see what I got done ...or who done me. 😊

 

Yep there is something wrong with the mission logs, I see a lot of reports of missions not being completed correctly, not sure if its a mission design bug or a stats server bug.
I am working on an updated version of the missions currently to try address the first possibility, i will contact the dev of the stats server as well about the the first and second possibility.

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Nice Map Starlin's Grinder :good: Any chance to add some bridges , trucks and tanks ! AAA is about right given some close calls, Thanks DM and All the best for the New Year BTW :coffee:  ps; Regarding hooking up with Discord hows that work ! Do you invite or what ! Tried to join yesterday without luck Not that I know much about it but  have joined other links KOTA ect without a problum !Let me know when you have some spare time please DM .

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19 minutes ago, wombatBritishBulldogs said:

Nice Map Starlin's Grinder :good: Any chance to add some bridges , trucks and tanks ! AAA is about right given some close calls, Thanks DM and All the best for the New Year BTW :coffee:  ps; Regarding hooking up with Discord hows that work ! Do you invite or what ! Tried to join yesterday without luck Not that I know much about it but  have joined other links KOTA ect without a problum !Let me know when you have some spare time please DM .

 The mission is already at the very limit of what i can do without the tickrate becoming too high and overloading the server. Trucks and Tanks with their new damage model send the tickrate up higher than prior to that update. I have not tested it yet but nothing more can be added to that mission at this stage unless I can manage to get the tickrate down significantly.

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On 11/13/2018 at 9:23 AM, =RS=Stix_09 said:

The 109 is and easy plane to fly , but takes a lot of skill and practice to master and use correctly to get the best out of it. (you have to fight the spit in the vertical, never the horizontal, unless you have a pretty damn good kill shot).

 

I think you said you're knew to the mp, but of course this is just the basics of energy fighting. Some of the best virtual pilots are 18 year old twangers, you'll have heard them by now trash talking about 'can't hang' etc. God they suck. Have you seen the VVS guys opening the cockpit at 6000 metres and sticking their head out to get a better view? lol? It's just an mp game like any other.

 

I thought the Spits were climbing on me when I stuffed up the bounce and the fight dragged on, which is what I'd expect against late war aircraft, but who knows. Yeah you fly the 109 it's bounce, maintain energy and if you want to get away use the superior climb rate then bounce again. The usual deal.

 

But whatevs, it's a good server and once a big furball starts anything can happen.

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Are you the operator of the current Rise of Flight server of the same name? If so, I didn't find any obvious feedback channel for it. I ask because that server appears un-connectable, at least  for myself.

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2 minutes ago, Cynic_Al said:

Are you the operator of the current Rise of Flight server of the same name? If so, I didn't find any obvious feedback channel for it. I ask because that server appears un-connectable, at least  for myself.

I am indeed, I havent finished setting it up and ran into some issues (as you found), I will shut it back down until I get a chance to revisit it

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Darbzy, that was a funny vid, don't know how you sat that and took that hosing from me, but I guess I couldn't finish the job mate.  Cheers!  BTW, for those who don't fly this server you are certainly missing a real gem here, beats the others by far with regard to combat activity using both human and AI players.

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