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Let me be clear.

 

Po-2 is an experiemnt.

 

Li-2 is a wish and only if Po-2 gets made.

 

La-5FN is planned, but not started.

 

G-6 is planned, but not started.

 

We are way behind schedule on some important Kuban stuff including planes so take all that with a grain of salt. I thought Han had already mentioned the FN and G-6 as possible. My mistake.

 

If comments get out of hand I'll lock this thread. Be cautiously optimistic, but don't get carried away please. We're under enough pressure already.

 

Jason

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Jason, as things are we didn't have a clue these developments were even a possibility! If the first one comes in two years it would still be a pleasant surprise and, at least to the naked eye, a sign that things are looking up :)

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I would for sure buy a po-2. Think it would be fun to play as a spotter and add another element of gameplay in the mix.

 

I have been known to fly it in Warthunder online...those 2x25lb bombs it can carry pack a punch :)

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I'm sure you have the confidence of the community, I think everyone is aware of the work that the team puts in (especially after this patch) and are understanding of any changes to the tentative schedule.

 

Being kept in the loop like this can only be good for relations between the team and community. It's certainly better than the silence that typifies some other developers and we're very grateful for it!

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The Po-2 offers a chance to create Arty Spotting like we had in ROF and throw sneaky night raids into the mix (I really want a Soviet woman pilot model too) and the plane is not difficult to research (there is one in a nearby museum) and build for the team building it.

Jason

 

The main problem for Po-2 as Artillery spotter that it was not used as a Arty Spotter simply because of lack of Radio onboard.

Only in early 1944, appeared U-2 NAK (Night Artillery Spotter), with RSI-4 Radiostation, firedampfers, ultraviolet lights for crew and another equipment. Tested in late spring and early summer 1944, and went on large serial production as a Night Artillery Spotter from late summer 1944.

 

During Early period of War, VVS used R-5 biplane, Su-2 and obsolete fighters like I-16 as an artillery spotters. From middle 1943, main artillery spotter of VVS was Il-2 KR.

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Well if that works out as well as we hope it's going to my dear Jason don't forget to add a I-153 Chaika (Seagull) to the list please ! :salute:

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The main problem for Po-2 as Artillery spotter that it was not used as a Arty Spotter simply because of lack of Radio onboard.

Only in early 1944, appeared U-2 NAK (Night Artillery Spotter), with RSI-4 Radiostation, firedampfers, ultraviolet lights for crew and another equipment. Tested in late spring and early summer 1944, and went on large serial production as a Night Artillery Spotter from late summer 1944.

 

During Early period of War, VVS used R-5 biplane, Su-2 and obsolete fighters like I-16 as an artillery spotters. From middle 1943, main artillery spotter of VVS was Il-2 KR.

Then just use it to bomb stuff and use another plane. I don't care.

 

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Then just use it to bomb stuff and use another plane. I don't care.

 

Jason

But on the other side, many U-2's were "customised" with 4 x RS-82 and a front-firing fixed PV-1 7,62 mashunegun, PV-1 on turret and and up to 150 kg of bombs for usage as night assault aircraft :) This modification was widely used in 1942-43.

 

P.S.  Ил-2 КР (IL-2 KR - for korrektirovschik - Artillery spotter) was in the mass series production from late march 1943, and on late april over 50 aircrafts were on the frontline trials. In early summer 1943 it was already in wide use as a main artillery spotter of VVS. Could an equipment for Art.Spotting be added to Il-2 mod.1943 as a modification?

-RSB-3bis radiostation instead of RSI-4.

-smaller fuel tank to save place for RSB-3bis

-Relocated radiomast.

-On some aircrafts - camera AFA-I or AFA-IM.

 

ik2kr-5.jpg

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Im cautiously optimistic with todays evening drinking party. Eight beers and no tequila....ok,maybe one,max two :D

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I note the point that these aircraft are all plans and experiments and may never come to pass.

 

However, more importantly is the fact that 1C/777 are prepared to consider a "diverse plane-set" and not just "the best fighters". A diversity of types, performance and roles is important to the richness of the missions and the variety of the game play. The fact that they are considering the Po-2 is a great thing.

 

:cool:

 

 

 

 

PS: Although, with that said, I would like to say that either the U-2M or U-2P variants would be my Po-2 of choice!  :-)

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This looks so promising! Can't belief that these 4 ACs are probably going to happen if all goes well.

As always I'll buy everything. Ever did so since RoF. Every AC with its field and weapon mods. Also giftet lots of RoF AC and IL2 collector planes to a friend of mine. :)

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Part of interveiw with Po-2 pilot, Hero of Soviet Union:

 

Sorry, in russian, but I hope browser can translate it. Impressive story. More - here.

 

 

Какие нам задания ставили? Положим, дают бомбить железную дорогу. На полк выделяют 100 километров. Каждому экипажу дают станцию. И вот весь полк одновременно наносит удар по всей длине пути. Прилетели. Бомбы подвешивают, горючим заправляют, и еще вылет. В одну из ночей нам дали станцию Зеленый Гай. Мы до нее не дошли. Проходим Пологи возле Мелитополя. Это километров 110 за линией фронта. Мне штурман говорит: «Видишь?» — «Вижу». Вся станция забита эшелонами. «Что делать?» — «Да там, наверное, Петька или Костька работать будет». Нам же никто не говорил, кому какую станцию дают — ты получил задание, отваливай. «Давай полусоточку шуранем. Станция большая, махнем штучку, пусть загорится, чтобы другим легче было. Да и нам полегче лететь». — «Давай». Высота 1500, расстояние до станции километров 6–8. Чем ближе подлетаю, тем больше газ убираю, со снижением иду. Мотор на малых крутится, а с глушителем ШПГ так он просто шипит и пламени не видно. Планирую. Высота метров шестьсот. Он говорит: «Так… так… держи… Сброс!» Я сразу газ и в разворот с набором высоты. Кружечек сделал, посмотрел — хороший взрыв, осколки летят до самолета. Он говорит: «Заходи еще». Заходи так заходи. Заходим еще. Уже на газу идем. Самолет качает на взрывах. Видно, эшелон с горючим, боеприпасами, там грохот, дым стоит. Высота 600 метров. Он меня подправляет. Бросаем в другое место. Потом на обе горловины зашли, чтобы ни один эшелон не шел. Так мы шесть раз и заходили. Отбомбились. Штурман говорит: «Становись в вираж, я сейчас немчуру погоняю. — Все две с лишним тысячи патронов туда выпустил. — Все. Можешь, дать зеленую ракету, путь свободен». Ни одного выстрела по нам сделано не было!

Прилетаем домой. Командир кричит: «Шибанов! Ты опять хулиганишь! То там, то здесь! Цель не свою бомбишь». — «Пусть на мою летят». — «Аты что? Дальше лететь не захотел?!» — «Да, нет… так получилось». — «Не твое дело, кому куда лететь. Отстранить от полетов, дело передать в трибунал. — Поворачивается к начальнику штаба: — Ты успел на них документы отправить на БКЗ?» — «Вчера отправил». — «Позвони в дивизию. Снять с награждения».

День проходит — летаем. Три, пять. Что он меня от полетов отстранил? А кому летать?! Экипаж-то боевой! Я уже командир звена. Наступил ноябрь. Погоды нет, не летаем. Числа пятого или седьмого объявляют построение личного состава полка:

«Лейтенант Шибанов, выйти из строя».

 

Я выхожу. Встал. Начальник штаба зачитывает указ: «За успешное выполнение боевых заданий лейтенанту Шибанову присвоить звание Герой Советского Союза!» То в трибунал, а тут присвоить звание… Штурману дали Боевого Красного Знамени. Ну ужин, двойные 100 граммов. Понятно — первый Герой в полку и в дивизии. Сидим. Я за почетным столом вместе с командиром полка, замполитом, начальником штаба. Я говорю: «Бать, как не хорошо получается: у Бушуева 600 вылетов, у Оглоблина 650, а у меня всего 300. Они не Герои, а я Герой?» — «Мы знаем, кому за что давать. Вылет вылету рознь». Мне потом рассказали, что через неделю нашего налета на Пологи проходил военный совет фронта. Командующий фронтом Толбухин спрашивает:

«Кто бомбил Пологи?»

 «25-й гвардейский московский полк». 

«Апоконкретней?»

«Лейтенант Шибанов». 

«Вот с кого надо брать пример! Один самолет в одном вылете уничтожил 120 вагонов и 7 паровозов! «Пешка» днем летала и сфотографировала результаты. Дивизия за неделю столько не сделала, сколько он сделал!»

«А он под Сталинградом был, госпиталь прошел». 

«Во! Чувствуется опытный! К Герою представили?»

«Нет». 

«Представьте».

 

Командир дивизии после совещания спросил:

«Что делать с ним?»

«Писать надо на него. Боевик-то порвали, теперь надо писать».

 

За что мне Героя дали? За хулиганство!

 

 

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Hey Jason, Remember during the first TS event you mentioned you had some different collector planes in mind for after the Kuban release? At the time you didn't want to say what they were (only that all the G6 clamor made you re-consider your plans). Now since we are on the subject again, could you share what you had in mind from the beginning? I am very curious (and cautious and optimistic) about this subject, but whatever path you decide to take, I will be there to support it (for what that is worth).

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Excuse my ignorance, but would the Po2 play a similar role as the Ju52, i.e. cargo and paratrooper drops? I have included the Ju52 in my multiplayer campaign (cargo shipments and paratrooper drops), and this causes an asymmetry as Russians lack a plane to fulfil the same role.

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no Coconut, that would be the Li-2. the Po-2 is a bi-plane (ground attack?) aircraft. very slow, i think top speed is around 110km/h and somewhat "simple" compared to other planes of the time. 

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It shared some roles like medevac and transport of small cargo. While it could not drop paratroopers, its diminutive dimensions and short landing and take-off runs made it perfect to support partisan operations.

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3 new RUSSIAN and 1 german :/ guys, po2 must be best seller :P so storch will also be made :biggrin:

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Let me be clear.

 

Po-2 is an experiemnt.

 

Li-2 is a wish and only if Po-2 gets made.

 

La-5FN is planned, but not started.

 

G-6 is planned, but not started.

 

We are way behind schedule on some important Kuban stuff including planes so take all that with a grain of salt. I thought Han had already mentioned the FN and G-6 as possible. My mistake.

 

If comments get out of hand I'll lock this thread. Be cautiously optimistic, but don't get carried away please. We're under enough pressure already.

 

Jason

 

See! I knew we had to keep him talking.  :happy:  Great news Jason, and thanks for the clarification.

Cheers.

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i'd prefer the FW 189, at least it can defend itself

800+ made vs almost 3000 of storch. And it would be more fair to have po2 and storch than fw189. While more = better :P i think it would be easier, cheaper and better to add storch, at least first.

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Ah well, I'm sure I'll find a way to include it. Partisan operations sounds good. Sneak in into enemy territory and deliver explosives to disrupt production.

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Take a look at the latest version of Il-2 1946 to see what the Po-2/U-2 is capable of and what possible modification options could be added (medivac, dropable cargo containers, SAB illumination/marker bombs, parachutist, rockets and all kinds of smaller bombs).

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Ah well, I'm sure I'll find a way to include it. Partisan operations sounds good. Sneak in into enemy territory and deliver explosives to disrupt production.

i think you can use russian bomber as transport, at least that's how on WoL they did, there is he111 transport version.

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Hey Jason, Remember during the first TS event you mentioned you had some different collector planes in mind for after the Kuban release? At the time you didn't want to say what they were (only that all the G6 clamor made you re-consider your plans). Now since we are on the subject again, could you share what you had in mind from the beginning? I am very curious (and cautious and optimistic) about this subject, but whatever path you decide to take, I will be there to support it (for what that is worth).

 

Nothing has really changed all that much. I've wanted all these planes. The Storch is cool, but no weapons at all. The Fw-189 at least had some weapons. That's my concern about these two. But we're way far away on that choice assuming we can get there.

 

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Not sure how the German side saw them but the Soviets had the utmost respect and hatred for the Fw-189. It could carry bombs, its visibility and crew arrangement made it perfect for recon, spotting and ground attack, the defensive armament covered an insane field of fire, the very thin frame made it very hard to hit, it manoeuvred extremely well for its size and on top of that it usually roamed with decent fighter escort.

 

Intercepting those was as hard as Dastardly and Mutley catching that pigeon.

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Nothing has really changed all that much. I've wanted all these planes. The Storch is cool, but no weapons at all. The Fw-189 at least had some weapons. That's my concern about these two. But we're way far away on that choice assuming we can get there.

 

Jason

Jason. If we will search a Luftwaffe counterpart for U-2, the best choice would be Hs126, or a "crutch", as soviet soldiers call it. It was very popular aircraft among german ground troops, and well hated by soviet troops and soviet fighter pilots. It was slow, but maneuvrable hight-wing monoplane with defensive mashinegun, armour protection of crew, and was very hard to shot down for soviet fighters. It was in production till Jan.1941, and flew as a dedicated artillery spotter/close-range recoonner untill late 1942 (on 1st September 1942, close-range recoon Gruppen had 105 Hs126 on strengh), when it was gradually turned to night-reconnaisance duties, wich it soldiered untill the end of war with 2./NSGr.7.

 

As U-2, Hs126B-1 had also very short takeoff/landing run, and great handling in the air, very easy and pleasant to fly. It had forward firing and rear defensive MG, and up to 150 kg of bombs. Most known operation of this crutch was Otto Scorzeny's "Mussolini resquing raid".

3 new russians and 1 german :/ guys, po2 must be best seller :P so storch will also be made :biggrin:

 

We dont call Bf109 a "bavarian" aircraft, so correct name for planes like Il-2 or Po-2 would be "soviet", but not "russian" :)

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As U-2, Hs126B-1 had also very short takeoff/landing run

Here, the most recent demonstration of the "very short landing run" of a Storch, happened a month ago. Fullstop in like 15 m.

 

 

Here, still in flight, the front aircraft, A-99.

A-99.jpg

 

And "short landing":

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DSC-6119-Kopie.jpg

 

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Poor A-99 had an original Argus engine, unlike its sibling A-97. :(

 

That happens if pilots who fly Ju-52 all the time fly a Storch... Or if you have a VIP passenger and a whole crowd watching. There's nothing I'd hate more than improvised show-flying.

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i think you can use russian bomber as transport, at least that's how on WoL they did, there is he111 transport version.

 

For that I would need a cargo loadout. And I don't think it could drop paratroopers. But I might do it anyway in the mean time.

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We're under enough pressure already.

 

This is not pressure, I am happy you considering making the PO 2 , that is enough for me atm  

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Ok, here is a question.

We have a server with Battle of Moskow map, but had to place a LaGG-3 from late 1942 as a default fighter in late 1941 planeset. Also, we had to place a Ju87D-3 (mid-1942 aircraft) into 1941 conditions.

We have a Battle of Stalingrad map, and we had to place a Bf110E-2 (1940 aircraft, wich is too "old" for late 1942 timeframe) because we have no Bf110F-2.

 

And I can continue this list of "planeset problems".

This thread is moving so fast I feel like I'm being left behind.

I'll reply to this by spinning your problems back to you.

 

If I want to fly a proper VVS level bomber, what options are available?

If I want to fly a night harassment mission over the Kuban bridgehead in 1943, what a/c can I take?

If I'm keen to fly cargo runs for VVS, what is suitable?

 

And in case it seems like I'm being one-sided...

if I want to try liaison or tactical reconnaissance or arty spotting for Luftwaffe, what is there that suits?

 

I don't want to sound too dismissive of your concerns, but we have an I-16 and P-40 for BoM-appropriate fighters, and Bf110E that suits 1941. Not the same as the Stuka, but not much different from needing to use a Peshka in place of an SB-2.

And on the subject of the 110, you have a 110G so that is closer to the F than the E.

 

I know suggesting you use your imagination doesn't sound quite right for a simulator that aspires to realism, but if you want to fly a fighter, dive-bomber or ground attacker across most of the time periods covered you're already well catered-to.

If I want to try something different that we have available then my choices are either use much more imagination than you'd need to, or stop playing altogether and go back to '46. Which isn't good for the community, the users, the future of the sim or for me.

 

I'm not taking aim at you personally, but in a lineup that has five 109s and two 190s, and zero Storches, or two Peshkas and three Il-2s and no Po-2s, I know what I think we're missing more urgently.

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I'm sure it could carry a sack of potatoes or 2. You could drop them on the enemy when you ran out of bombs.

Killing them with carohydrates, i see...

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I came into this thinking it's just another wish list. Really surprised and happy to read Jason's input. Even though it's just in planning stages I'm sure it's enough to get some attention of potential customers. It's all very exciting :)

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Part of interveiw with Po-2 pilot, Hero of Soviet Union:

 

Sorry, in russian, but I hope browser can translate it. Impressive story. More - here.

 

 

Какие нам задания ставили? Положим, дают бомбить железную дорогу. На полк выделяют 100 километров. Каждому экипажу дают станцию. И вот весь полк одновременно наносит удар по всей длине пути. Прилетели. Бомбы подвешивают, горючим заправляют, и еще вылет. В одну из ночей нам дали станцию Зеленый Гай. Мы до нее не дошли. Проходим Пологи возле Мелитополя. Это километров 110 за линией фронта. Мне штурман говорит: «Видишь?» — «Вижу». Вся станция забита эшелонами. «Что делать?» — «Да там, наверное, Петька или Костька работать будет». Нам же никто не говорил, кому какую станцию дают — ты получил задание, отваливай. «Давай полусоточку шуранем. Станция большая, махнем штучку, пусть загорится, чтобы другим легче было. Да и нам полегче лететь». — «Давай». Высота 1500, расстояние до станции километров 6–8. Чем ближе подлетаю, тем больше газ убираю, со снижением иду. Мотор на малых крутится, а с глушителем ШПГ так он просто шипит и пламени не видно. Планирую. Высота метров шестьсот. Он говорит: «Так… так… держи… Сброс!» Я сразу газ и в разворот с набором высоты. Кружечек сделал, посмотрел — хороший взрыв, осколки летят до самолета. Он говорит: «Заходи еще». Заходи так заходи. Заходим еще. Уже на газу идем. Самолет качает на взрывах. Видно, эшелон с горючим, боеприпасами, там грохот, дым стоит. Высота 600 метров. Он меня подправляет. Бросаем в другое место. Потом на обе горловины зашли, чтобы ни один эшелон не шел. Так мы шесть раз и заходили. Отбомбились. Штурман говорит: «Становись в вираж, я сейчас немчуру погоняю. — Все две с лишним тысячи патронов туда выпустил. — Все. Можешь, дать зеленую ракету, путь свободен». Ни одного выстрела по нам сделано не было!

Прилетаем домой. Командир кричит: «Шибанов! Ты опять хулиганишь! То там, то здесь! Цель не свою бомбишь». — «Пусть на мою летят». — «Аты что? Дальше лететь не захотел?!» — «Да, нет… так получилось». — «Не твое дело, кому куда лететь. Отстранить от полетов, дело передать в трибунал. — Поворачивается к начальнику штаба: — Ты успел на них документы отправить на БКЗ?» — «Вчера отправил». — «Позвони в дивизию. Снять с награждения».

День проходит — летаем. Три, пять. Что он меня от полетов отстранил? А кому летать?! Экипаж-то боевой! Я уже командир звена. Наступил ноябрь. Погоды нет, не летаем. Числа пятого или седьмого объявляют построение личного состава полка:

«Лейтенант Шибанов, выйти из строя».

 

Я выхожу. Встал. Начальник штаба зачитывает указ: «За успешное выполнение боевых заданий лейтенанту Шибанову присвоить звание Герой Советского Союза!» То в трибунал, а тут присвоить звание… Штурману дали Боевого Красного Знамени. Ну ужин, двойные 100 граммов. Понятно — первый Герой в полку и в дивизии. Сидим. Я за почетным столом вместе с командиром полка, замполитом, начальником штаба. Я говорю: «Бать, как не хорошо получается: у Бушуева 600 вылетов, у Оглоблина 650, а у меня всего 300. Они не Герои, а я Герой?» — «Мы знаем, кому за что давать. Вылет вылету рознь». Мне потом рассказали, что через неделю нашего налета на Пологи проходил военный совет фронта. Командующий фронтом Толбухин спрашивает:

«Кто бомбил Пологи?»

 «25-й гвардейский московский полк». 

«Апоконкретней?»

«Лейтенант Шибанов». 

«Вот с кого надо брать пример! Один самолет в одном вылете уничтожил 120 вагонов и 7 паровозов! «Пешка» днем летала и сфотографировала результаты. Дивизия за неделю столько не сделала, сколько он сделал!»

«А он под Сталинградом был, госпиталь прошел». 

«Во! Чувствуется опытный! К Герою представили?»

«Нет». 

«Представьте».

 

Командир дивизии после совещания спросил:

«Что делать с ним?»

«Писать надо на него. Боевик-то порвали, теперь надо писать».

 

За что мне Героя дали? За хулиганство!

 

 

 

I translated that bit for anyone that wants to read it without a machine translation; They tend to be messy. I got it as best I could but some parts are still fuzzy. It is a really cool story.

 

 

What kind of missions were we given? Let’s say we were ordered to bomb a rail road. The regiment would be assigned 100 kilometers. Every crew would be assigned a station. So, the whole regiment would perform simultaneous strikes along the whole length of the line. We’d show up, the bombs would be attached, fuel tanks filled and we’d all take off.

 

One night we were given a mission to attack the Zelyonij Gay station. We never made it there; we went into the trees near Melitoplya. This was about 110 kilometers behind the front line. The navigator said to me, “You see that?” I said, “I see it.” There was a train parked at the station. “What are we going to do?” The navigator asked. “Yes, seems like a Song or Bone will go to work here.” (Not sure what Song or Bone mean in this context, likely larger bombers or a different bomber regiment equipped with such.) We never figured out who the station was given to. We just got our orders and carried them out. I said, “Let’s attack the target. It’s a big station, a sprawling thing, let’s light it up (Maybe ‘set it on fire’ would be better). That way it will be easier for the others. It will also be easier for us to fly.” “Let’s do it then.” The navigator replies.

 

We were at 1500 meters and about 6-8 kilometers from the station. As I got closer I backed off the throttle and dove. The prop was barely spinning and with the mufflers the engine was barely hissing and the flame of the exhaust couldn’t be seen. All according to the plan. We were down to about 60 meters. The navigator said, “Just like that…. You got it…. Hold…. Drop!” I opened the throttle, turned around a pulled for altitude. I made a circle and observed the target. It was a good hit; shrapnel flew as high as the plane. The navigator said, “Come around for a second pass.” So, we made a second pass. We were already on full throttle and the plane was shaking with every explosion. The whole place was lit up. I could see fuel and ammo burning and smoke was starting to rise from the target. Now we were at 600 meters, the navigator gave me a bearing and we were off to a new place. We hit the tracks coming in and out of the station, so that no other trains could use that station. Just like that, we made six passes and were all out of bombs. The navigator said, “Come around, we’re chasing the Germans now. They had more than two thousand rounds of ammo down there. Send up a green flare, the way is clear now.” They didn’t even shoot back at us.

 

So, we headed home. When we got there the commander screamed, “Shibanov! You were fucking around again! First here, then over there! You didn’t hit your target!” I said back to him, “Let me fly as I see fit.” (I think that is what he meant). The commander responded, “And what about you? You don’t want to fly?!” “Well, yes… and look how it turned out.” The commander said to me, “You don’t get to decide to fly wherever you like. You’re grounded pending a tribunal.” The commander turned to his chief of staff and asked, “You sent the papers to the BKZ?” (I’m not sure what BKZ stands for exactly. It seems to be some kind of registry or clerk in charge of unit record keeping.) “I sent them yesterday.” He replied. “Call the division headquarters,” the commander said, “withdraw the commendations.” We flew, maybe, three or five more sorties that day. So what if he grounded me? Who else was going to fly? Crews to battle stations! I was a key part of the operation by this point. It was already November. The weather had turned and we weren’t flying. The regiment’s personnel roster had me in either the fifth or seventh place: Lieutenant Shibanov, out of action.

 

I was leaving, but stopped and heard the headquarters commander reading a dispatch: “For the successful completion of mission objectives, Lieutenant Shibanov is here by awarded the Order of the Hero of the Soviet Union!” First it was to be a court marital, and now I’m getting a medal… My navigator was awarded a Red Battle Banner medal. We even got a double ration for diner. You have to understand, this was the first Hero awarded to the regiment or even the division. We sat there, in the place of honor at the regimental commander’s table, along with the commander, his second in command and the headquarters commander. I said, “Bait, this is no good. Bushueva has 600 sorties. Ogloblina has 650. I only have a lousy 300. They didn’t get this Order, but I did?” I was told, “We know who to give the medals to. (I can’t make sense of the last part of this quote.)

I was told, later, that a week after our raid on the Pology railway station the General Commander of the front passed through. The overall commander, Tolbuxin asked, “who bombed Pology?” “The 25th Moscow Guards regiment” he was told. “Who specifically?” He asked and was told it was Lieutenant Shibanov. “This is one who should be made an example!” Tolbuxin exclaimed. “With one sortie, he destroyed 120 train cars and 7 engines! A peshka flew by in the day and photographed the aftermath. A whole division couldn’t do in a week what he did in one flight!” “He was sent to Stalingrad. He’s been hospitalized” Tolbuxin was told. “Oh! He seems an experienced pilot! Has he been awarded the Order (of the Hero of the Soviet Union)?” “No,” Tolbuxin’s assistant told him. “See that he is.”

 

After the meeting the division commander asked, “What can be done with him?” “I guess you’ll have to cite him for the medal.” He was told, “the reprimand has been torn up, so you’ll have to give him a medal.”

 

So, how was it I won this medal? Hooliganism!

 

 

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800+ made vs almost 3000 of storch. And it would be more fair to have po2 and storch than fw189. While more = better :P i think it would be easier, cheaper and better to add storch, at least first.

but the Fw 189 is the typical eastern front recon aircraft

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