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You have to be willing to land back at home without a kill. That's often what would happen with me, including last time I did this which was in BoS before Moscow was released.

 

Sometimes a brief swirling fight without a shot fired before you lose each other or you have to run is rewarding in itself when you land safely afterwards.

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Just a "normal" flyer for the most part, but you have to be extremely patient as a lone wolf. I see way too many pilots driving hard into the action without gaining altitude first. The few times I've flown expert I see some of the same, though less there for sure.Self preservation should come first and the victories will follow regardless of where you fly.

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I only fly solo, I get kill a lot but have a good time. And this is entertainment, right. Maybe that dying all the time is where my name came from, have to give that some thought. You see I only fly when I am on the road, so it's hard to set times up with other people. and when I do I can't always depend on the connection at the hotels. So I fly I have fun and I die, but not before I take some of you with me. :lol:  Any way this way I don't have to learn to land this bird.

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Yup, I guess all that vast experience of yours never really paid off huh. Saying that there is no need for a wingman is just BS ... especially when coming from an "experienced" player. Is it ok to fly wo a wingman? Well, it is ... if you don't care about dying and all that but if you want to survive while shooting down other planes, do urself a favor and pair up with some one and please make sure you have radio coms.

 

Scharfi told me that she tends to fly solo, and she does very well for herself. I fly both solo and sometimes with wingmen, With wingmen is better I think particularly for situational awareness, but with or without wingmen, I always have fun.

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Scharfi told me that she tends to fly solo, and she does very well for herself. I fly both solo and sometimes with wingmen, With wingmen is better I think particularly for situational awareness, but with or without wingmen, I always have fun.

Like I said, if just having fun is ur go and if u dint really care about getting shot down, then by all means fly solo unless of course you have Scharffi skill. Othetwise, it is much safer with a wingman and, of course, a knowledgable leader. That should keep u alive for longer ... at least thats my expirience

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Seems like lots of people do it on WoL. On occasion I've tried it and lots of the slots will already be filled.

 

Ok you may not be as useful as an additional plane, but if there servers not full I dont see why people can't gun. Just remember what the reload button is :).

Slots are filled, or locked due to d*ckheads jumping in, uninvited and shooting up your wingmen, or shooting the tail off just for fun.

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I very often fly solo. The trick to this is cautious efficiency. Your goal is to fly in such a way that you can search for targets of opportunity while maintaining a good means of egress. Keep your head on a swivel and constantly scan around, above, and behind. Once you find a target double, then triple check to make sure he is either alone or the tail end charlie. When you attack it is ONLY from a position of E advantage. Try as much as possible to shoot down your target in one pass. The more time you spend focused on your target the more time somebody has to make an attack on you - efficiency is very important. Once your pass is made you need to re evaluate the situation and reclaim E. Dogfighting invites disaster - avoid doing so at all cost. Also be willing to leave a target - sure killing the enemy, I agree, is great but there is tremendous value in patience and being willing to reset your engagement or even flee the scene.

 

 

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I very often fly solo. The trick to this is cautious efficiency. Your goal is to fly in such a way that you can search for targets of opportunity while maintaining a good means of egress. Keep your head on a swivel and constantly scan around, above, and behind. Once you find a target double, then triple check to make sure he is either alone or the tail end charlie. When you attack it is ONLY from a position of E advantage. Try as much as possible to shoot down your target in one pass. The more time you spend focused on your target the more time somebody has to make an attack on you - efficiency is very important. Once your pass is made you need to re evaluate the situation and reclaim E. Dogfighting invites disaster - avoid doing so at all cost. Also be willing to leave a target - sure killing the enemy, I agree, is great but there is tremendous value in patience and being willing to reset your engagement or even flee the scene.

 

 

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More eloquent than my brief evaluation of the lone wolf but yes.

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I regularly lone wolf in a Pe2

 

Alone this is your best bet, reasonable fast and excellent gunner protection.

 

FW 190 with bombs , most of the time your so fast that  interception is difficult for enemy.

 

Low flying IL 2 and Stuka is plausible , but your dead if spotted, there is always someone that spot better than you

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Just starting out with this game now that I have a shiny new PC that can handle it!  Have played ROF on low settings for a number of years and always enjoyed the Multiplayer side of things.

 

With BOS it feels very much the same.  I fly lone-wolf as I don't have the ability to chat to team mates but try and help the team in anyway I can.  At the moment I am still trying to get up to speed with the change in pace from WW1 to WW2 planes, but it's been lots of fun finding allies and either escorting them to a target or keeping watch with them to protect a sector.

 

Not had much success so far, but it's not something I'm bothered about to be honest.  I enjoy the simple pleasure of flying, getting to a target or patrol and getting back alive.  For me that's a successful mission.  Once I become more proficient I hope to notch up a few kills but in the meantime I'm happy to be part of it.

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Nothing is suicidal if you maintain the capacity to disengage. A clean bounce discovered only by you shredding a plane is more affective than most ways to pick up a kill. Remember after you shoot down a member of an enemy team there is nothing keeping you from leaving and returning with better E and another chance at a surprise bounce.

 

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A lot of you newer pilots like to call solo flying suicidal but that is a gross mistake. There are advantages to flying solo as there are to flying in a group - you as a pilot must discover those. Simply branding solo flying as suicidal or daft is disengenuine.

 

More important than flying with people is grasping the mechanics of what you are doing up there. More often than not when you get shot down what you were doing in that instant is less relevant than the events which lead you to that point. Turn I got shot down because they were in a team to I got shot down because I got greedy pulling into a shot and lost too much E, then got sucked into a rolling scissors and shot down by his buddy - next time I should commit less if my opponent is turning that hard. Being a good pilot is being circumspect about your successes AND your failures. Identify what made your flight a success/failure and learn from it. To improve your skills you need to be be objective and think about each event and the things preceding them.

 

You don't need a group to learn how to be successful but you can learn from others. If you fly solo I suggest you watch some YouTube's of good pilots and take heed of their advice.

 

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Generally speaking your better advised if youre told to fly in a team. Especially on objective driven servers like DED Expert, WOL or TAW.
Your side simply benefits more from your presence if you play with your team.
Also its more fun to coordinate and actually help to achieve something. Most people are nice and give advice and everything is easier if spoken about in person.
So do yourself a favor, get your headset ready and join the TS server that all the big servers offer.

IMHO: Lone wolfs (not a single one) but in mass are the ones that loose the war for a side. No offence. Simple truth.
 

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While I agree that coordinating your efforts with those around you holds great value but I disagree that it should only be executed by jumping on somebody's VOIP. There are many ways to coordinate and one can still "lone wolf" while coordinating with other players on the server. I for example like to offer escort or CAP to bombers to assist with the map objectives. Last time I did this I bagged 3 greedy attackers! I do agree with your sentiments that too many people flying around with no clear objective can be inefficient - but lone wolfing does not necessarily have to be defined in this way.

 

Ultimately players will make the choice to join a clique or not. My objective here is to make clear that flying on your own is not impossible and can be very rewarding. Shaming people into a group is bad form - if you want to advertise your clique to new players then you need to take them under your wing - setting an expectation that all new players need to fly in groups is a poor way to try and grow a gaming community and culture. Let players learn at their own pace and decide to fly solo or as a group. Both have merits and both can be rewarding. I would suggest communicating even when on your own as even a little coordination can make the difference.

 

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When I fly BoS MP occasionally, I fly lone-wolf so far, ideally on RE/TAW servers without GPS. Exactly as von-Luck says, it is not necessary to fly "solo when lone-wolf". Stick to the bombers and care for their safety or team-up with another lone-wolf and cap an important objective...

 

I remember last time on RE - I flew in formation with two other 110's, most probably both on TS. They started climbing hard right after takeoff in a sensible direction. Then another two probably lone-wolfing 110's joined us en-route consecutively. All of us lone-wolves have followed the leading TS pair, as it was clear from the way they flew, they have their attack&escape route well planned and survival in mind. We followed their attack, hit the target, ignored the presence of low-flying fighters and GTFO with help of excess speed. Potential attackers were dispatched sooner than they could get to us on our way home by our vigilant fighters close to the objective. A while later all of us landed safely at our base, with only a few holes from AA. Everything as it should be. :happy:

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When I fly BoS MP occasionally, I fly lone-wolf so far, ideally on RE/TAW servers without GPS. Exactly as von-Luck says, it is not necessary to fly "solo when lone-wolf". Stick to the bombers and care for their safety or team-up with another lone-wolf and cap an important objective...

 

 

Great post and my sentiments exactly! These kinds of sortie's are a wonderful example that can help get the beginning pilots interested, engaged, and teach valuable lessons on how to be successful even when you're "lone-wolfing" Love it!

 

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I "lone wolfed" last night. Looking at the chat, our fighters were concentrated to the center and south, so I went north to cover one of our warehouse targets that was off by itself.

 

I circled that thing for an eternity, seeing nothing in the skies, until I finally saw tracers firing into the air near the target. Following the shots, I noticed a lone Pe2 had snuck in at ground level!

 

I dove down there and shot him up, making about 3 passes. He was spewing white trail like crazy from multiple points after the first pass, and it wasn't until the third that I finally drew black smoke. Apparently the Pe2 soaked 88 bullet hits!

 

At that point, I was being drawn into red territory, so I slammed the throttle and headed out. About 30 seconds later, I got the kill message. My first air-to-air kill on WoL!

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The main things flying with squad mates will help with is situational awareness and getting your ass out of a jam when you're caught in a disadvantage. It is very possible to fly alone, get kills, and to do so even when against people that are winged-up together. But, to do so you have to have a very active awareness of where all planes are and if other enemies have come into the dogfight. You also have to be really good at judging energy and keeping energy. If you're not quite there, then squad mates can keep extra eyes out with you and clear your 6 when you're screwed (or vice versa). If you fly alone and are not at a top level (pretty much ace-of-aces), then many missions in a fighter will tend to be suicidal. I'm no where near the top of the skill tree, and I tend to fly alone 60%+ of the time and have some success, but it definitely helps to cover my skill gap when I wing up with people. Of course, whether I'm shot down or not, I still enjoy all my flights, which is what matters most. That's my 2 cents, ymmv.

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As a bomber pilot in a squad we love it when we see a few lone wolves join up and escort us. Sometimes they send a chat message but most just fly along looking for bad guys. It makes for some great missions, on TS or not you can have some fun doing the lone wolf thing.

 

EDIT because I can't spell! :biggrin:

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As a bomber pilot in a squad we love it when we see a few lone wolves join up and escort us. Sometimes they send a chat message but most just fly along looking for bad guys. It makes for some great missions, on TS or not you can have some fun doing the lone wolf thing.

 

EDIT because I can't spell! :biggrin:

Glad to hear you say that. When In a fighter and I see a few bombers take off and fly unprotected I usually tag along in the slim hope of being a virtual hero. And though I try to keep my distance so as not to be the one that gives away the groups position, it can be difficult to know if those guys find me helpful or annoying.

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I'm back after a year out of IL2 so still relearning everything. I don't fly with comms (but I will install TS2 today) so I'm mostly a lone worlf trying to spot something while I try not to get shot and not kill my engine. I do a lot of scorting, cos I like it and while I still get lost half of the time and I'm not good at my job, it's fun :)

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