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Hi all.

 

Let me start by saying I am in a squadron, and I fly with mates.

 

Now, this post question is because some times in which I can go online but I simply cannot team up, because of the inconveniece of using voice comms at times, father, family time, etc. I'm sure I'm not alone in this boat.

 

On these occasions, which are the most often, I usually play offline missions from the campaigns. This gives me some balanced scenarios. But sometimes I'm also on the mood to go online because of the randomness of the human behavior vs. predictability of the AI. Like those patrol pilots who sometimes would have to defend their airspace while other times there would be nothing for them in the sky.

 

I'm curious about reasonable gameplay in lone wolf mode. That is, you can just take off and search for enemies, despite that (I think) wouldn't happen historically. Pilots would go at least in pairs or higher numbers. So this is what I mean with 'reasonable'. Do you guys recommend any 'realistic' online scenarios as a solo bomber? recon? transport? scouting? etc?. Maybe there's simply none, but I'm just curious of your point of view.

 

Oh, and I don't mind statistics at all. It's just about gameplay.

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I regularly lone wolf in a Pe2. It has sufficient firepower to cripple if not entirely take out a 109 (occasionally even a pair of them) while fast enough to dive bomb the target and get out in time before the entire LW team gets there.

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Flight members can get lost through weather or an earlier engagement. Its totally possible to finish your mission while being alone.

I read about an swordfish attack at the Italian fleet where a single swordfish got separated because of the darkness, but attacked the harbor none the less while hoping to assemble with the remaining flight somewhere at the target...

So feel free to attack targets lone-wolfing within reason.

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I'm with you in this. The reasons for not going on TS I share as well. Personally, I still much prefer RoF for online play. Especially on icons on servers, communication advantages are cancelled out to a large degree. BoX I prefer offline, as you can hit the pause button and reply "What?!??" (on TS then peeps be "What what?"). It takes substancially longer in BoX to see reasonable action on servers than in RoF. Getting wasted on autopilot while AFK is just not that cool.

 

Fighter-bomber missions also for me are the way to go if I have little time as a loner and going aganst a coordinated enemy. Stay low, peripheral and fast. Done right you have an entire tail of Hartmanns, hopefully only when back crossing friendly likes.

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It sounds like you're more concerned with realism and immersion than survival tips, but most of the responses here are about the latter.

 

There's a book called Red Star Against the Swastika. The author and Il-2 pilot in that book describes a period where he was the only one with an aircraft in his unit, so he continued to fly missions by himself. So there's at least one instance of a bomber pilot globe wolfing for a while.

 

Also think a single A-20 doing an anti-shipping patrol is reasonable as well, one Kuban comes out, but I've never read about that. Besides that a lot of solo missions like spotting and patrol rely on the mission maker to include appropriate objectives.

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I only fly alone online, with no comms, no Track IR and a 4 year old Logitech Extreme 3d Pro that I got at Best Buy haha.

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I only fly alone online, with no comms, no Track IR and a 4 year old Logitech Extreme 3d Pro that I got at Best Buy haha.

Did that for 10 yrs, never again.

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It sounds like you're more concerned with realism and immersion than survival tips, but most of the responses here are about the latter.

 

You got me 100% and the story of the lone IL-2 pilot made my day.

 

So after this, the surviving tips given are all very welcome, also very interesting the way each one approaches their solo online experience.

 

Thank you all!!!

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You got me 100% and the story of the lone IL-2 pilot made my day.

 

So after this, the surviving tips given are all very welcome, also very interesting the way each one approaches their solo online experience.

 

Thank you all!!!

 

I definitely recommend that book btw!

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I definitely recommend that book btw!

Enough recommendation for me (thank you!). Just got it.

Jumping into the Soviet side!

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Salutations,

 

Lone wolfing in multiplayer! LOL.... lone wolfing in multiplayer? ROFL...stop, no more... LOL some more. :lol:

 

Lone wolfing in multiplayer... that's rich. Get down and ROFL again. :lol:

 

You either have to be a very, very good pilot or suicidal. :o:

 

Lone wolfing in multiplayer. Aaahh, LOL. Dusting my self off. LOL, you made my day. Laughter is good for the soul. Thank you. I needed that.

 

Seriously though... it takes a good and brave pilot to lone wolf successfully in multiplayer. More power to ya.  :salute:

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I've done it here and there over the years. Usually back in 46 it was on nights when CoOps were slow.

I did just fine.

 

Only a handful of times in BoS, but I go way up high in a fighter, or down at tree-top level in an IL2.

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i do all my flying alone. Mainly because when I'm on, there's not a lot of others on at the same time (time zone). It can be quite frustrating when you're diving on a target by yourself and get shot to bits. But its still 100% better than flying offline with crappy AI (i don't know if AI has been fixed).

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I fly alone from time to time, thought it is becoming more common as the people I fly with tend to be doing other things these days. Tip wise I'd say keep your eye out for the enemy. I find I'm looking around a lot more when flying alone, I probably should look around that much all of the time but... Another thing I've found useful is not flying alone. Some of my most enjoyable dogfights have been when I started out alone and found another plane who was also alone and just sort of stuck with them. We weren't talking to each other, no text either. Just two planes flying in the same area looking for the same targets. As long as you keep an eye out for your ad-hock wing-man you will be supersized how effectively you can set each other up for kills. It is a little more challenging to read your wing-man's intention by the way they are flying alone but it can be done. One last thing I've found that can be effective while running solo is to be in unusual and unexpected places. On a lot of objective based servers people tend to fly defense fairly close to the objective they are defending. But if you set up a kill box between the enemy spawn and their target you can catch them napping. The trick is finding the right bit of realestate to stake out - too close to their spawn point and you will be called out by the server, also it isn't very sporting of you to do that, too close to the target and your quarry will be on the look out for you. But if you can find the sweet spot on their transit rout to target you can have a lot of fun.

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I lone wolf, not necessarily because I want to. And yes it is suicide.

 

The amount of times I've been hounded by 109's 4 to 1 is more frequent than i would like.

 

In scenarios like that I consider it a victory if all 4 have had a pass and I'm still flying, laughing manically as they wizz and buzz by cannons blazing. I know my time will be short lived but watching them fail to stomp little old me for a few moments is fun.

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On Wol for instance, alot of people are flying alone and doing just fine, including me and my skills leave a lot to be desired. Between grownup duties such as being a parent, it's not very easy planning time to fly un disturbed with your mates that are in the same life situation. So I fly a sortie whenever one of those free time moments show.

 

I find situational awareness the key. It's easy to fixate on and follow that dot you spotted. And then once you catch up realize that guys whole squad is behind you.

 

Prolonged dogfights in a target area is also suicide. Fast in, fast out.

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I fly solo a fair bit. If I do this I prefer to either do jabo missions, with a quick get in, hit the target and get out, or level bombing. Sometimes I'll take fighters solo, but it usually ends badly for me no matter which side I play. As a rift user I usually need to be reasonably close to get a positive ID.

 

Flying with friends, tends to mean that your combined look outs can cover more sky, making those surprise attacks on you less likely.

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I fly alone from time to time, thought it is becoming more common as the people I fly with tend to be doing other things these days. Tip wise I'd say keep your eye out for the enemy. I find I'm looking around a lot more when flying alone, I probably should look around that much all of the time but... Another thing I've found useful is not flying alone. Some of my most enjoyable dogfights have been when I started out alone and found another plane who was also alone and just sort of stuck with them. We weren't talking to each other, no text either. Just two planes flying in the same area looking for the same targets. As long as you keep an eye out for your ad-hock wing-man you will be supersized how effectively you can set each other up for kills. It is a little more challenging to read your wing-man's intention by the way they are flying alone but it can be done. One last thing I've found that can be effective while running solo is to be in unusual and unexpected places. On a lot of objective based servers people tend to fly defense fairly close to the objective they are defending. But if you set up a kill box between the enemy spawn and their target you can catch them napping. The trick is finding the right bit of realestate to stake out - too close to their spawn point and you will be called out by the server, also it isn't very sporting of you to do that, too close to the target and your quarry will be on the look out for you. But if you can find the sweet spot on their transit rout to target you can have a lot of fun.

Good tips! I'll try that.

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Hey Sergi

 

Im also in the same boat with you...  same reasons...

my experience is that lone wolfing on IL-2 BOX Servers can sometimes be very boring and more often very dangerous...  but sometimes it's very rewarding ...

(when there is a TS Server online, Im listening to the channel though... )

 

I remember one MP mission where I decided to escort 4 Stukas on a bombing Mission with my 109 F4 and they were happy as hell, as they recognised  I escorted them ( most of the time flyin' Top cover)  ..  the stukas were obviously all connected by TS ,, and I communicated with them a bit via Chat....  I followed them to target area, all of them dropped their load in a coordinated attack ; and I watched everything from above and joined them again and we returned to base ... great moments

 

> But by far the best fun ( though the majority dies a lot there) Im having as lone wolf is on fast dogfight Servers like Berloga  ;)

 

 

I would prefer MP in a Team , but also as a lone wolf , you can sometimes get priceless experiences.. just my 50 Cents..

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In scenarios like that I consider it a victory if all 4 have had a pass and I'm still flying, laughing manically as they wizz and buzz by cannons blazing. I know my time will be short lived but watching them fail to stomp little old me for a few moments is fun.

 

 

Ahahaha!

 

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I just flew my first sortie in a fighter...solo.

 

It was a cloudy map, and though I am on a new laptop, I am still on a laptop, and those clouds didn't help things.

 

Started out by trying to escort friendly bombers.  Soon gave this up as I lost the bombers, and even with them feeding me their location, I couldn't find them again.  So I decided to patrol and area between some targets on our side of the lines.  Couldn't get to anything in time to find whatever was attacking them.  Continued flying for a long time.  I weave occasionally, and even bank over to look below and behind regularly in case I missed somebody diving on me.

 

Finally spot somebody bookin' it towards the direction of our airfield.  Assume it is friendly, but dive down to see anyways.  As closing, head into cloud bank, I lose them.  Reclimb and continue patrolling.  Get message indicating airfield under attack.  Head down there in time to see dude shoot down a bomber trying to take off.  I pursue and he climbs into the clouds.  I pull above and follow the flak, but once it stops I lose him.  Stick around trying to find him, waiting for him to come out.

 

See something else heading for field, dive down, lining up a shot; then zoom in and identify as friendly.  Climb back up, spot enemy plane.  He sees me, and is in better spot.  I point towards our side and push nose down to pick up speed and separate, begin gentle climb and come about.  End up in better position, he dips down into clouds and I lose him.

 

Few minutes later spot him (or let's be honest, it could be a totally different guy, I'm inept), and have better position, I move his way, and he goes the other way.  I lose him in the haze.  I stick around, zig zagging in his general direction to see if he is going to come back about.

 

Fuel light comes on.  I've been up here over an hour doing basically nothing.  I take it back to the airfield and touch down short of the airfield in some farmer's pasture.  Even though I'm slowboating it, the snow is thick or something and I do an endo.  End mission.

 

 

 

How the hell do you guys do this????  How do you deal with crazy cloud cover?  How do you not lose planes your are escorting?  How do you not lose planes period?  I've only flown the bombers online up until now.  After this, I might be going back!

 

How the hell do you guys spot things?  What zoom level should I be at when I'm searching?  What graphics settings are best for spotting with a small monitor?

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Haven't flown in almost a year but when escorting bombers in bad visibility conditions you need to go back to basics. Position yourself 1000m above the bombers, get the pilots to feed you their heading and airspeed, and match them. Reconfirm the data every 2-5 minutes, but if you lose sight you're more or less guaranteed to be in the same vicinity. If the cloud cover is low but extremely thick and you lose contact, it can help to momentarily climb above it where visibility is good to regroup before proceeding.

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hrafnkolbrandr

 

I enjoyed reading that log :)

 

Your not doing anything wrong. Actually sounds like your doing rather well. Patrolling, spotting contacts and knowing where you are. More importantly you disengaged when in a disadvantageous position. I've slowly realized this is what it's all about. Tactics, not guns blazing. And clouds can be your friend too.

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I'm in the same boat as the OP. I fly online solo as I am also a father of young children. I have to often stop what I'm doing and tend to them. So I trim out the plane as best I can and head towards friendly territory. I go tend to my kids and hope my plane doesn't get shot down/crashes during the time I'm AFK. This works out ok flying solo, but I don't think if I had a wingman they would appreciate it very much. That's why I haven't joined a squad even though I'd like to.

 

I tend to try to find other friendlies and stick by them. Even if they aren't flying with you they usually won't hesitate to help you out if it's going to be a potential kill for them, and you're not so bad off they won't be risking getting killed themselves in the process. I also look out for them as well. Someone flying some distance and altitude from a friendly getting attacked will not be noticed easily and I use these opportunities for easy kills for myself.

 

The best way to survive being alone is to treat your virtual life like it was your real one. Be careful, patient, keep your head on a swivel, and above all else don't do anything stupid. Remember altitude and airspeed=life. If you get caught low and slow alone your as good as dead. With a wingman, he may save you. By yourself everyone else will watch you get killed from their perches above you and laugh.

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I used to do a lot of lone-wolf flying in RoF...in here, I tried couple of times and is a no go for me, not at the servers I use.

 

Haash

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Of course is Lone-wolfing cool to be the wolf in sheep's clothing - wolfs know how to team up - fight with the strength of thousand men :cool: :cool: :cool:

Never played MP before but to shoot down 83 AI controlled planes that are above ACE level sounds very interesting, for me  :) 

 

Now back to topic........

As bomber is fun to set the bomb fuze to higher time over 15sec is everything cool. Drop some on enemy airfields - wait - wait - players spawnl - doesn't know what is waiting below them - life is short just 15sec. Higher bomb fuze time is always the best way to bomb targets who not move or spawn from time to time because you have enough time to retreat before the enemy notice someone is poking around their objective.

 

As fighter the eagle over the skies with sharp eyes to overseen and to control the action. Known to never to back down.  There is only one certainty for him. The more he fight the more powerful he become! Only the highly-skilled pilot will find a way to survive - the untrained pilots trying to rise he knocking them down. With brute strength he determines the outcome of the battle stands above and conquers all! The lone survivor all the time living the dangerous life where everyone has him in their sights. But he never subjecting to this fate. He live every moment of every day for the singular purpose to meet the next challenge, even if it's bigger than him! Who try to stop him this time? They try to push him into a corner. He push beyond them. They making him strong. They making him proud. With a smile in his face he crush everything what stands in his way and throw it into the wind. The wolf in sheep's clothing....................................................

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solo flying? how about an instrument check (as in Battle of Britain)

Or undercarriage check ? Super legit on a Stuka  :lol:

 

Joke aside, I have not read anything about this so I'll be giving a thought about it. How is being a gunner in MP ? On paper it solves the logging as a lone wolf => flying alone issue. I am also quite interested as I am not getting a stick within the next 2 months and it could help me see some tactics, meet other pilots and stuff.

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Or undercarriage check ? Super legit on a Stuka  :lol:

 

Joke aside, I have not read anything about this so I'll be giving a thought about it. How is being a gunner in MP ? On paper it solves the logging as a lone wolf => flying alone issue. I am also quite interested as I am not getting a stick within the next 2 months and it could help me see some tactics, meet other pilots and stuff.

Seems like lots of people do it on WoL. On occasion I've tried it and lots of the slots will already be filled.

 

Ok you may not be as useful as an additional plane, but if there servers not full I dont see why people can't gun. Just remember what the reload button is :).

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Lone wolfing is the first big mistake u can make when flying online ...

 

Bah...not at all - that's completely silly.

Some have no choice...I've done it many times with no problems.

Sure having buddies is better - but flying alone isn't a mistake.

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Getting jumped builds character - and teaches you to stay high and fast. :)

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Bah...not at all - that's completely silly.

Some have no choice...I've done it many times with no problems.

Sure having buddies is better - but flying alone isn't a mistake.

 

 

Yup ... silly of me ... silly of me to listen to someone who is never online

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You had me silly

My online experience comes mostly from years with the old sim. Flying alone on War Clouds when CoOps were slow on a particular night. Or Zekes vs Wildcats.

 

I'll be back a little with Kuban but mostly when PTO gets here.

Online right now is bogus with no CoOps

 

Nice try though with the ol "you have no stats therefore you don't know anything".

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Yup, I guess all that vast experience of yours never really paid off huh. Saying that there is no need for a wingman is just BS ... especially when coming from an "experienced" player. Is it ok to fly wo a wingman? Well, it is ... if you don't care about dying and all that but if you want to survive while shooting down other planes, do urself a favor and pair up with some one and please make sure you have radio coms.

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I'm not going to argue, especially with a straw man. I never said there is no need for a wingman, or that it doesn't help. Simply that flying alone isn't a mistake.

 

Yes having buddies helps if that's possible - obviously. Flying alone also helps teach you some things, and for many this is all they can manage with other things going on in life.

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Hey no worries - we're all friends here.

At least that's how I see it. ;)

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I believe occasionally lone wolfing can be effective in mp but this is for a very narrow group of players with a sound solo strategy. Outside of this, why would you skip on such a great reason mp can be great.

 

Nothing beats getting on a full REAL server with dudes who are serious about mission success. This involves comms and teamwork, not text chat.

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I read ur post again Gambit and not only I misread but I really took it out of proportion. My apologies again ... I also have no reason or ability to judge you based on ur online experience. This is just a game and that was just me being an a**.

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