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Here are my results after years thinking i would be upgrading my pc soon (turns out intel or nvidia don't really want to push tech just yet)

 

Motherboard
Asrock Z87 Extreme6

 

Processor
I5 4670K @ 4.3GHZ

 

RAM
Kingston HyperX Fury 8x2GB 1600

 

GFX
MSI GTX 1070 8GB VRAM

 

Storage (for the game)
Samsung SSD 120gb
 

VR Headset

Oculus Rift CV1

 

CPU MARK

9299

 

CPU single threaded

2567

 

Frames: 5373

Time: 120000ms

Avg: 44.775 - Min: 39 - Max: 50

 

IDK if upgrading to an 8700k and a 1080ti or 2080ti would be worth it for me, i dont really mind the slow framerates (even when landing at a very busy airfield when i get 25ish fps) What do you guys think?

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2 hours ago, 19//SAG said:

Here are my results after years thinking i would be upgrading my pc soon (turns out intel or nvidia don't really want to push tech just yet)

 

Motherboard
Asrock Z87 Extreme6

 

Processor
I5 4670K @ 4.3GHZ

 

RAM
Kingston HyperX Fury 8x2GB 1600

 

GFX
MSI GTX 1070 8GB VRAM

 

Storage (for the game)
Samsung SSD 120gb
 

VR Headset

Oculus Rift CV1

 

CPU MARK

9299

 

CPU single threaded

2567

 

Frames: 5373

Time: 120000ms

Avg: 44.775 - Min: 39 - Max: 50

 

IDK if upgrading to an 8700k and a 1080ti or 2080ti would be worth it for me, i dont really mind the slow framerates (even when landing at a very busy airfield when i get 25ish fps) What do you guys think?

 

Did you disable ASW while doing the test?

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9 hours ago, -[HRAF]Black_Sab said:

 

Did you disable ASW while doing the test?

 

I did :( 

 

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I joust upgraded my computer from  i5 7400 3,00GHz 8 gb ram GTX 1070 to i5 7400 3,00Ghz 16Gb Ram Msi 1080Ti 

What should I expect regarding fps and graphics settings along with super sampling? If this is the wrong thread please show me the way to the right one.

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On 1/10/2019 at 5:53 PM, 19//SAG said:

Avg: 44.775 - Min: 39 - Max: 50

 

Thank you for running the test with your i5-4670K. It is the first model of this CPU tested in the table.

According to your Singlethread value 2567 you should achieve a bit more.

There could be 4 reasons for that:

- The 1070 is being bottleneck. You can check that by looking the load of your GPU during the track run. You can do that with MSI afterburner free tool.

- The RAM 1600 is affecting the performance

- The i5-4670K suffer the same problem than the i5-4690K, it was the only CPU that didn´t correlate well with the singlethread vs Avg-fps

- Something is not well configured in your system or throttling the CPU during run. Look this checklist: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/34107-items-to-review-if-you-have-low-performance-in-il-2-vr-test/

 

But if you are fine with your framerates, then there is no reason to upgrade. But if one day you want to upgrade I would upgrade first the CPU and keep your GPU.

 

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If upgrading, I would consider new MB, Ram and CPU rather than just the CPU.

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On 1/11/2019 at 10:02 AM, WhiteMoose said:

I joust upgraded my computer from  i5 7400 3,00GHz 8 gb ram GTX 1070 to i5 7400 3,00Ghz 16Gb Ram Msi 1080Ti 

What should I expect regarding fps and graphics settings along with super sampling? If this is the wrong thread please show me the way to the right one.

 

Unfortunately I think that CPU is going to hold you back. The GPU will be able to do increased supersampling, so the picture should look nice and crisp. I would start with SteamVR 150% supersample and 'balanced' in-game settings, and see how it goes. A lot of people are fine flying 45 FPS ASW, if that works for you then you can increase to 'high' in game settings.

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5 minutes ago, Alonzo said:

 

Unfortunately I think that CPU is going to hold you back. The GPU will be able to do increased supersampling, so the picture should look nice and crisp. I would start with SteamVR 150% supersample and 'balanced' in-game settings, and see how it goes. A lot of people are fine flying 45 FPS ASW, if that works for you then you can increase to 'high' in game settings.

What processor would you recommend to get things rollin?

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13 minutes ago, WhiteMoose said:

What processor would you recommend to get things rollin?

 

I'm personally thinking on a 8700K with 16gb of 3000ram, but of course, it depends on your budget.

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From my experience recently changing systems again, the i3 8350k is an interesting option for IL2.

 

As i had trouble overclocking the i7 4790K due to heat issues and the extrem prices peoples asked for DDR3 2400Mhz, i decided to sell that i7 4790k and invest in a MSI Z370 A-PRO (capable of taking Intels 9000er series), 3000 MHZ DDR4 and for budget reason a i3 8350k. I run the i3 8350k@4,5GHZ compared to the old i7 4790k@4,4GHZ and get a smoother experience in IL2. Cooling seems no issue for my 8350k as even running prime95 with an Coolermaster 212 LED it won't go beyond 67°, running IL2 the temp maxes out at 60°.

 

So now i run solid VR performance in IL2 and have the option to upgrade CPU to Intels latest generation when necessary.

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Salut, Servus,

core i5 9600k@5040.3MHz (1,39V set in BIOS); MSI MPG Z390 G+; Samsung 860 pro; Corsair LPX DDR4 3200MHz C16 (XMP set in BIOS); GTX 1080Ti

 

SS 1.5 - Graphic settings set as instructed

2019-02-03 13:20:36 - Il-2
Frames: 9921 - Time: 120000ms - Avg: 82.675 - Min: 43 - Max: 91

LB

 

 

 

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On 2/3/2019 at 12:53 PM, Laurentlb33 said:

core i5 9600k

 

Thank you LB for giving our first test with the 9600K at 5.0GHz.

I assume you use the Rift, right?

Also, could you run the passmark test and provide the single-thread performance as explained in the instructions?

I also assume you did it with version 3.009.  It will be our last run of that version.

 

Have anybody tried the v3.010 with this benchmark?  I have sold my Rift and can not compare.

 

Note: The test with Pimax5K+ is still to be done with this benchmark. I really don´t know what SS should I use here just to compare performance with other headset in a fair way.

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3 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

I really don´t know what SS should I use here just to compare performance with other headset in a fair way


1.0 and 'normal' fov. If I may make a suggestion.

Not a fair performance comparision with gen1 hmd's but I don't see the need for that. Most would buy the pimax for the improved image clarity/fov and so also expect a drop in performance.  For me performance comparisons between pimax users and what to expect at 1.0 ss with any given hardware is plenty more interesting.

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I suppose that with 1.0 you mean Pittol at 1.0 and SteamVR at 100%.  Right?

If this is the case then the clear bottleneck is GPU. 

 

My idea was to use 66% (or something like that) which also gives good visuals (superior to Rift) but also a more decent performance.

I am also thinking about other display frequencies (60, 72, 90) and other FFR modes.

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Well, I have just run the first benchmark over the Pimax5K+ and IL-2 version 3.010

 

I have used the Normal FOV, Pitool Rendering Quality=1.0 and SteamVR SS set at 26%. This gives 6.59 million pixels which is exactly the same amount of pixels than the Rift at 150% SteamVR SS. I still didn´t upgrade to the new Pitool with freq changes, so it is 90Hz for the display.

 

The result for my CPU at 4.8GHz is

Frames: 9674, Avg: 80.617, Min:62, Max:91

 

I chose 26% to be coherent with the rules I applied to the VivePro and Odyssey+.

I don´t use 26% at game (I have not tried how it looks like), normally I use 66% and SteamVR recommendation is 55% for my 1080Ti.

 

But what everybody will want to know is how the performance change when the SS is increased, so I conducted a series of tests from 26% to 150% SS in SteamVR.

The results are:

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or better in a graph:

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this graph is in the "SS per device" online spreadsheet of the benchmark.

 

So, WELCOME again to the GPU bottleneck AGE!!

 

Now it is a tradeoff of visual quality versus fps. Of course, good overclocked CPUs is a must but not enough !  :huh:

 

Any Pimax5K+ user is welcome to run the test as well, specially the ones with 20xx cards for the FFR.

 

 

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So we need a 4080ti :) This is great info chili and based on this I'm getting me a new card and a pimax. Pleasantly surprised your avg fps at 26% steam ss is so close to your rift performance also. Expected pimax not to reach quite all the way so soon considering they haven't had those years of optimization.

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Honestly I'm really curious to see how the Radeon VII performs in IL-2. Not that I can upgrade to it. Currently using a 1080, can't justify ~1k cad for 20% at best... same reason I can't go to the 2080 series... just isn't worth it.

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Hey guys, super new to IL2, been trying to get my VR up and running and finally have a score worth posting after some trouble shooting!

Game Version 

3.010b

 

Motherboard
ASUS Z270E STRIX

 

Processor
I7 7700k @ 4.7GHz

 

RAM
G.Skill Trident Z 32GB DDR4 @ 3200MHz

 

GFX
NVIDIA FE 1080ti

 

Storage (for the game)
Samsung 960 EVO m.2 NVMe
 

VR Headset

Oculus Rift

 

CPU MARK

10675

 

CPU single threaded

2605

 

Frames: 8633

Time: 120000ms

Avg: 71.942 - Min: 43 - Max: 91

 

I've just put a custom watercooling loop in and have been having some issues with CPU temp. I know the 7700k is notoriously bad for this, but I'll be draining it this weekend and reapplying the thermal paste in an attempt to get a higher clock.

 

Thanks!

 

EDIT: Decided to disable Hyperthreading and turn up the overclock a bit. Running it with Hyperthreading disabled and a clock of 4.9GHz resulted in the following: (Note: My average actually went down slightly while my min and max both jumped up.)

 

CPU MARK

11406

 

CPU single threaded

2837

 

Frames: 8540

Time: 120000ms

Avg: 71.167 - Min: 49 - Max: 94

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Here is my new test with the Pimax 5K.
This test proves that the formula does not apply:
More FPS equals = is smoother

 

After trying a lot, I wanted the best result between sharp and smooth.

 

I9-9900K @ 5.1GHz WaterCool Max Temp: 65 ° C
RTX 2080TI Max Overclocked Core 2010 MHz, Memory 7000MHz WaterCool

 

Bios = everything on Auto

 

Pimax and Steam:

Pitool version ... 91, factor 1.75
Steam VR APP = 100%, 3162x2701- Video: 22% 3162x2701
Motion Smoothing OFF

3DMigoto Mod = ON

 

IL2 Setting:
Main Settings High
Shadow = Max
Mirror = Off
Long textures = x4
View = 70Km
Ani. = Blurred
Grass = Normal
Clouds = High
FDA = Full
AA = x2
Gamma = 0.8
Focus = on
4K Textures On

 

2019-02-09 14:06:34 - Il-2
Frames: 5489 - Time: 120000ms - Avg: 45.742 - Min: 40 - Max: 50

 

So I have about 5000 FPS less to my previous measurement with all the settings from the first post.

When I play with the current setting, everything is absolutely smooth and the tracking with two ViveBoxes is absolutely fantastic.
No matter if online or offline.
No matter if many clouds or little.
No matter if busy or not.

I feel it as smooth as with 5000FPS more.

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On 2/5/2019 at 9:22 AM, chiliwili69 said:

 

Thank you LB for giving our first test with the 9600K at 5.0GHz.

I assume you use the Rift, right?

Also, could you run the passmark test and provide the single-thread performance as explained in the instructions?

I also assume you did it with version 3.009.  It will be our last run of that version.

 

Have anybody tried the v3.010 with this benchmark?  I have sold my Rift and can not compare.

 

Note: The test with Pimax5K+ is still to be done with this benchmark. I really don´t know what SS should I use here just to compare performance with other headset in a fair way.

I am actually using the Rift. Here is the passmark result. The test was done in 3.009

 

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On 2/8/2019 at 12:37 PM, R3animate said:

Honestly I'm really curious to see how the Radeon VII performs in IL-2. Not that I can upgrade to it. Currently using a 1080, can't justify ~1k cad for 20% at best... same reason I can't go to the 2080 series... just isn't worth it.

The only card to buy for that price is a 2080ti. Nothing less. The 2080ti is by far the fastest card out right now. Nothing comes close. It's like 35-40% faster than a 1080ti or 2080. I should sell my 1080ti and 1070 I have and try and get one.

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On 2/9/2019 at 6:44 AM, iNcHeS said:

EDIT: Decided to disable Hyperthreading and turn up the overclock a bit. Running it with Hyperthreading disabled and a clock of 4.9GHz resulted in the following: (Note: My average actually went down slightly while my min and max both jumped up.)

 

CPU MARK

11406

 

CPU single threaded

2837

 

Frames: 8540

Time: 120000ms

Avg: 71.167 - Min: 49 - Max: 94

 

Welcome to VR club and thank you for posting your tests.

 

In your first test you use OC in CPU with 4.7GHz and achieve STMark of only 2605. This is not aligned with previous tests of 7700K. Look at the  "STMark vs OC" tab in the spreadsheet and you will see that for the 7700K for 4.7 the expected STMark value should be around 2750, not 2605.

Maybe you were running the STMark with different OC (4.5 perhaps) or maybe your CPU is throttling while you run the CPU Passmark.

 

In you second test, you achieve a Max of 94. This is not possible. Typically the maximun Max is 90 or 91, but not 94.

But in this case the STMark you achieve (2837) is very much aligned with the STMark expected for a 7700K at 4.9 GHz.

 

In theory your 1080Ti should not be fully loaded with this test. To check that you can run MSI Afterburner during the IL-2 test and use their trendlines to visualize CPU freq., CPU temp, GPU freq, GPU load and GPU temp.

If GPU is at 100% verify your Supersampling values (what do you use SteamVR or OTT?)

 

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On 2/9/2019 at 2:49 PM, I./JG68_Sperber said:

Here is my new test with the Pimax 5K.
This test proves that the formula does not apply:
More FPS equals = is smoother

 

After trying a lot, I wanted the best result between sharp and smooth.

 

I9-9900K @ 5.1GHz WaterCool Max Temp: 65 ° C
RTX 2080TI Max Overclocked Core 2010 MHz, Memory 7000MHz WaterCool

 

Bios = everything on Auto

 

Pimax and Steam:

Pitool version ... 91, factor 1.75
Steam VR APP = 100%, 3162x2701- Video: 22% 3162x2701
Motion Smoothing OFF

3DMigoto Mod = ON

 

Thank you for posting your personal results with you superbeast machine and the Pimax5K. 

Achieving 5.1GHz in this 9900K is a great achievement.

 

Please, if you could, post also the Passmark test as indicated in the instructions (Passmark is a free non-invasive software).

 

Since it is not using the same settings that the test I didn´t put your results in the main page, but in the "SS tests".

 

I see you use Pitool RQ=1.75 and SteamVR at 22%. This gives a multiplying factor of 1.75x1.75x0.22= 0.67, so your test is equivalent to running RQ=1 and SteamVR SS at 67% (or 66%).

250374559_pimax5KRQ1_75.jpg.ada785656bc8ea58b92f6e11089d51a9.jpg

 

There is no reason to touch pitool RQ, I have it always at 1.0. The graphical effect is the same than touching SS, I demonstrated that in this post.

Someone say that using higher than 1.0 in RQ and reduce SteamVRSS for the same pixels gives better performance, but he didn´t demonstrated that. So, I don´t think this influence performance at all. (but still to be proved).

 

For for the shake of comparing your performance with others, you could run the test exactly at the same setting that instructed in the post and share your results.

 

Running at 45fps could be very smooth for many people, it is very subjective. I also have to say (it is also subjective) that I notice less the lack of being at 90fps in the Pimax5K.

 

 

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On 2/15/2019 at 5:46 PM, I./JG68_Sperber said:

Hi chiliwili69,

 

Pimax 1 and Steam 66% i have 5 FPS more ;)

 

Here my Passmark 5,1 GHz

 

pass.jpg

Try to aim for a vertical res of a factor of 1440

Maybe PiTool 1.75 or 2

SteamVR Video 20%

App setting then as close to 2880 as possible which would be a SS factor of x2 from the 5K native Res.

 

You could also just try the native resolution on the Vertical of 1440 in SteamVR App setting and see how that looks on the 5K.  It doesn't look good on the 8K but 2160 does.

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