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My Honor Was Loyalty (2016) - Meine Ehre heißt Treue

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Because the Wiki review above piqued my interest I decided to ignore my instincts and give this film a second chance. Last time I stopped at the pathetic “battle” scene about 15 min into the film because it was so bad my eyes hurt.

 

Well, I should have trusted my instincts because this is what the “hero” Herckel has to say about 45 min into the film accompanied by violin music in the background:

 

“My mother could not find a job because the economy was controlled by the Jews. Of course they preferred to help their own people instead of us and we often had to sleep in haystacks. It was the National Socialists that gave her a job.”

 

Just label the cover of this film “Nazi propaganda, do not open” and bury it deep or flush it down the tube where it belongs…..

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Gentlemen let's be careful to keep this thread on track.. about the film. When we start to delve into the morality of the war ... we cross murky lines. We all know that there were good men .. and evil men on both sides.. and both sides did questionable deeds during the war.. This is what happens in war.. but please be careful to keep the broad brushes in their boxes so as to not steer this into a discussion that will get the thread closed down.

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This is what happens in war.

Exactly. Some people do what they must to survive. Some people genuinely believe in the politics of their nation and want to fight for their country. Some people see it as a way to realise their darkest desires. Apart from the people making their billions in profits from selling us war materials to slaughter each other with, nobody wins.

 

As far as a member of an elite unit within the already elite SS being not such a bad guy... I find the chances pretty slim. I mean there are people today who work to be in the SAS or Navy SEAL or Delta just because they want to be the best of the best at what they do. You don't necessarily have to agree with any politics to achieve this today. Their could probably be people who just went through the Nazi motions just to get to the top but I think they were good at weeding those out right?

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Exactly. Some people do what they must to survive. Some people genuinely believe in the politics of their nation and want to fight for their country. Some people see it as a way to realise their darkest desires. Apart from the people making their billions in profits from selling us war materials to slaughter each other with, nobody wins.

 

As far as a member of an elite unit within the already elite SS being not such a bad guy... I find the chances pretty slim. I mean there are people today who work to be in the SAS or Navy SEAL or Delta just because they want to be the best of the best at what they do. You don't necessarily have to agree with any politics to achieve this today. Their could probably be people who just went through the Nazi motions just to get to the top but I think they were good at weeding those out right?

And that excuses it in what way? Not to mention, Delta and other Spec Ops are not political and are not sworn to spread ideology.

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I never said it excused anything. I said the chances of someone making it into an elite of the elite "Hitler" named SS unit without being a diehard Nazi are extremely slim.

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Swearing an oath of loyalty to Adolf Hitler and serving in his armies in a self-proclaimed race war of annihilation, then feigning innocence and accepting no responsibility for their actions...  It's rather like saying you are not a child abductor - you just drive the van.

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i think a bad guy is a good one spoiled by life, a movie on what made a mom loving kid evil is interesting

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I agree with Borys. 

Probably overwhelming majority of the members of LSSAH were "true believer" nazis, but that does not mean that there could not be any other motives for some members of these units. In hindsight it is easy to just judge with no questions. What comes to various oaths, in many cases that has little to do with what the person really believes in. He swears the oath their superiors tell them that they need to swear and that is it. I am sure that majority of the Russian (or ex-soviet) players here that were born before 80's have sworn oath to Lenin and Communist Party, when they joined the soviet youth pioneer organization.

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responsibility for their actions

 

I think if you where born in 1920, living in the hardship and see the improvement in life brought on by Hitler, then see all those cool uniforms and status among the common.

Indoctrination on a very detailed and massive way, one have to cut them some slack.

But after several years post war there should be a acknowledge of ones self part of it and one should see how wrong it was. This is lacking in all these films, I just do not believe the apologise given . There is no need to say I am sorry to the public, but it would be appropriate to the families of those in camps. 

I miss the fact they do not take responsibility for what was done, for their choices. Only a excuse for why they did it

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Watched it yesterday because of this topic here and gave it a 5/10

 

I think the worst thing was the terrible acting and voice acting (german and english) and also the fact that they used some footage from reenactment events which left a pretty stale tast in regards to "battle" scenes. Also even though the unit was in different locations you could recognize from the reenactment footage that it took place at the same location (e.g. russia and normandy looked the same in the battles).

The smaller fights were actually pretty well executed although the sounds sometimes didn´t match the weapons and VFX could have been a bit better.

 

The combination of bad acting as well as bad voice acting in my opinion was responsible that there were no real emotions / feelings and nothing that happened really mattered to the viewer - at least not for me.

With the sountrack I think they tried to create specific moods but although the soundtrack itself is quite nice it failed because they tried too hard to get the viewer thinking or pass on a sad mood which really should have been done by the actors and voice actors and only be supported by the soundtrack. The voice acting sounded like it was just read of a script  by a few unmotivated amateurs - that said the script itself also could have been better.

 

Costumes and equipment were pretty nice though and I also liked most of the locations and shots which were a bit more steady - I understand why the shaky cam was used though.

 

Overall the movie felt a bit clumsy and plump and maybe also the poor acting / voice acting and poor script were at fault for that.

Maybe he should have cut the project and made a shorter version of it (maybe only 60min) instead of 2hours so he could have hired better actors / voice actors.

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