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I've always had a soft spot for the P-39. That awkward, strange-looking thing that nobody wanted but which was finally taken in by the Soviets in a time of desperate need and turned out to be quite effective and succesful in the end. How can you not love that story?

I agree! Great story for an aircraft described by someone in 601 squadron (I'm betting "Jumbo" Gracie) as "a useless lump of wank". Something very appealing about the old bird and I can't wait.

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Hopefully the 100 octane fuel is an 'unlock' since it wasn't readily available. That would give the mission creators flexibility to make historical missions and properly limit aircraft that were able to use the fuel.

With the possibility to create engine modifications to existing aircraft, this might be a good solution.

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Hopefully the 100 octane fuel is an 'unlock' since it wasn't readily available.  That would give the mission creators flexibility to make historical missions and properly limit aircraft that were able to use the fuel.

 

There are no more unlocks in the game.

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There are no more unlocks in the game.

He means mod. That's why he has unlock written as 'unlock'

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He means mod. That's why he has unlock written as 'unlock'

Pretty much

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Mission makers can still lock or unlock items therefore they are still 'unlocks' but I think the single quotes should speak for themselves.  I don't need to break out the Dr Evil meme do I?

 

 

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There are no more unlocks in the game.

That's why he put 'unlocks' in quotation marks.

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I'm a bit conflicted about that idea. Sure, so 100 octane fuel could be in short supply at times. Well, any fuel at all was often in short supply at many times for the Germans, but I don't think anyone would want a mod that restricts them to 25% fueled planes.

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I'm a bit conflicted about that idea. Sure, so 100 octane fuel could be in short supply at times. Well, any fuel at all was often in short supply at many times for the Germans, but I don't think anyone would want a mod that restricts them to 25% fueled planes.

Noone said that should be imposed on the game itself, but mission designers could design it that way - or even better, create a trigger that prevents people from using 100 octane fuel, if their team's fuel dump is destroyed.

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I'm a bit conflicted about that idea. Sure, so 100 octane fuel could be in short supply at times. Well, any fuel at all was often in short supply at many times for the Germans, but I don't think anyone would want a mod that restricts them to 25% fueled planes.

So then you can always use the mod if you want....

 

its not about replicating some kind of logistics detriment, but rather giving the two kinds of fuel known to be used in the aircraft as an option for the sim

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Nope, Luftwaffe pilots are already in fear..the legend of P-39 is already causing calls for a pre-emptive performance drop   :cool:

 

(humour)

 

Cheers Dakpilot

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Not sure when the p-39 is in the works.. but I do think it'd be fun to go out with a flight of them. 

 

Jason's schedule indicated it would arrive in November.

 

Not sure if they are sticking to that schedule as the FW190A-5 arrived early.

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Very excited. I don't believe it will be the best at anything in particular, but it wil be very interesting to fly. With it's low drag airframe and (if I'm not mistaken) electric powered control surfaces. High speed behavior will be interesting. Tricycle landing gear should make emergency landings easier. I'm hoping outward visibility won't be to bad.

 

Whatever you fly against it. A few 37mm cannons in the air, cooperating and covering each other would make anyone nervous.

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The P-39 had wing, tail and propeller deicing? First time I've heard that.

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That's why he put 'unlocks' in quotation marks.

 

...and I was just clarifying things for people who don't know that things have changed.

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Hopefully the 100 octane fuel is an 'unlock' since it wasn't readily available. That would give the mission creators flexibility to make historical missions and properly limit aircraft that were able to use the fuel.

I hope following this logic when we get to the late war theatres most German aircraft are limited to 10-20% fuel loads to simulate the lack of fuel available, maybe then online we will see some more even numbers in regards to teams

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I hope following this logic when we get to the late war theatres most German aircraft are limited to 10-20% fuel loads to simulate the lack of fuel available, maybe then online we will see some more even numbers in regards to teams

its about giving the option. simulation of something is up to the mission makers.

 

Just because there's no way to limit fuel right now doesn't mean there shouldn't be high octane fuel.

 

if anything your argument supports having both, and I think that giving the octane mod as well as the ability to limit fuel in missions would both be good additions.

 

But don't try to say that there shouldn't be two kinds of fuel for a fighter that used both just because some other feature isn't available. If we used that logic, we wouldn't have anything in the Sim

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  if anything your argument supports having both, and I think that giving the octane mod as well as the ability to limit fuel in missions would both be good additions.

 

 

Have to agree with your mindset.   It's already possible to limit modifications and starting fuel on MP servers I thought? 

 

For that reason I see no qualms with a high octane fuel mod or something along the lines. 

 

But.. then again that might be asking the devs to do a whole lot of work if we start taking into consideration the quality of gasoline in different planes and the effect it would have on their performance. 

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Have to agree with your mindset.   It's already possible to limit modifications and starting fuel on MP servers I thought? 

 

For that reason I see no qualms with a high octane fuel mod or something along the lines. 

 

But.. then again that might be asking the devs to do a whole lot of work if we start taking into consideration the quality of gasoline in different planes and the effect it would have on their performance. 

The different fuel would just give the engine different characteristics, so it would really just act like an engine modification.

 

And you can change the fuel a player starts with, however I don't think there's a way to lock it, so the player can always throw it back to 100% or however much they want once they go into plane setup

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The different fuel would just give the engine different characteristics, so it would really just act like an engine modification.

 

And you can change the fuel a player starts with, however I don't think there's a way to lock it, so the player can always throw it back to 100% or however much they want once they go into plane setup

 

BERLOGA - Duel and Dogfight - has locked fuel restrictions.   Can either fly with very little fuel or 260L 

 

 

*Edit* -  off the topic of fuel,  I've been flying the Lagg-3 fitted with 37mm in QMB vs some IL-2's just for fun.. when I'm actually lined up well enough to land a hit.. it just takes one solid connection and BOOM wing flies off..

 

I landed one directly center of an IL-2's tail and the entire tail blew up and flew off.   I mean IRL the 37mm cannon was prone to misfires and the like.. but the pure destructive power makes me giddy. 

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Well,

 

I must confess I always found the AirCobra one of the hugliest aircraft I've seen in ww2.... but I do look fws to have one of these in IL2, and it'll actually be the first P-39 I'll play with in any combat flight simulator I have ever used ( very few... ).

 

I am a lot more interested in the Spitfire Mk. V

Yes, another slow under-armed, short ranged, sightseeing aircraft. A perfect compliment to the stable of 109's and Yaks. 

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The success the VVS had with the P-39 counters your above statement.

I do hope one day weapon jams are added to this sim.

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Uwe he ment the spitfire. Considering the under-armed remark. I think.

 

Frequent flyer: Neither p-39 nor spitfire will be gamechangers to the planeset we have, if you fly alone or offline. But there's a big difference between a squad of yaks and a squad of p-39's.

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http://www.spitfireperformance.com/w3134.html

 

Is this the spit we're getting?   TAS 371mph or 597kph @20k feet or 6096m peak performance.. dropping to TAS 365.5mph at 23k feet.   Seems like there's a small window between 18000 to 23000 feet where it is at it's fastest. TAS 331mph at 10k feet. That's without the "snowguard" fitted so maybe we'll see lesser performance on winter maps.  Seems like those reports are at 3000RPM.. which sounds like max to me.  Doesn't seem to say anything about below 10000ft.. but  20mm x2,  .303" x4.  It doesn't have that german speed or climb but, hopefully when flown to her strengths and not solo we'll get to have some fun in it.. get up high early in hope for catching somebody while having an energy advantage. 

 

It will at least climb higher/faster  than the P-39 once you hit altitude.  I'd happily go out in a flight of either.   I've really been enjoying the FW-190A-3 and the Yak-1b although I'm not the most proficient pilot in any internet airplane you put me into.  I need to stop venturing into expert servers solo regardless of what I fly.  Hopping between DCS/ROF/IL-2.. these ww2 birds to me feel like they take the most amount of work to properly fly, excluding any reading material involved with any era. 

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Nope, Luftwaffe pilots are already in fear..the legend of P-39 is already causing calls for a pre-emptive performance drop   :cool:

 

(humour)

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Attack of the Airacobras: Soviet Aces, American P-39s, and the Air War Against Germany

 

By Dimitriy Loza

 

During its titanic military struggle with Germany, the Soviet Union received a major boost with the arrival and deployment of nearly 5,000 Bell P-39 Airacobra fighter planes-courtesy of America's Lend-Lease program. The impact was dramatic, as the Soviets quickly adapted the planes into a devastatingly lethal force. Dmitriy Loza's account, admirably translated and edited by James Gebhardt, vividly re-creates the battle campaigns of this odd coupling of capitalist planes and Marxist pilots and shines a bright light on a little known part of the air war on the Eastern Front.

 

The P-39 proved to be the right plane at the right time for a beleaguered Red Air Force. Built for short range and relatively low altitudes, the P-39 was equipped with a powerful engine and weapons that enabled it to outduel and eventually dominate the Luftwaffe from the Caucusus foothills to Berlin.

 

Focusing on the combat operations and daily life of one unit—the 9th Guards Fighter Division—Loza refutes the myth that the P-39 was used mainly as a "tank buster" or "flying artillery." Instead, its primary mission was to protect Red Army operations from aerial attacks by the enemy. So despite the occasional strafing of trains, truck convoys, and troops, most P-39 operations involved attacks on Luftwaffe bombers and dogfights with their fighter escorts.

 

Center stage in Loza's story are the P-39 pilots and ground crews themselves, including remarkable Captain Aleksandr Pokryshkin and Major Gregoriy Rechkalov, two of the Soviets' top four aces.

 

Based on interviews with Soviet veterans and extensive access to squadron histories and logbooks, Loza provides a rare and insightful look at what it was like to live and fight in this victorious air unit.

 

This looks like it would be great source material for a series of missions/campaigns featuring the upcoming P-39. Let's just hope the plane we are presented with can perform as well as it apparently did in the actual battles.

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Attack of the Airacobras: Soviet Aces, American P-39s, and the Air War Against Germany

 

By Dimitriy Loza

 

During its titanic military struggle with Germany, the Soviet Union received a major boost with the arrival and deployment of nearly 5,000 Bell P-39 Airacobra fighter planes-courtesy of America's Lend-Lease program. The impact was dramatic, as the Soviets quickly adapted the planes into a devastatingly lethal force. Dmitriy Loza's account, admirably translated and edited by James Gebhardt, vividly re-creates the battle campaigns of this odd coupling of capitalist planes and Marxist pilots and shines a bright light on a little known part of the air war on the Eastern Front.

 

The P-39 proved to be the right plane at the right time for a beleaguered Red Air Force. Built for short range and relatively low altitudes, the P-39 was equipped with a powerful engine and weapons that enabled it to outduel and eventually dominate the Luftwaffe from the Caucusus foothills to Berlin.

 

Focusing on the combat operations and daily life of one unit—the 9th Guards Fighter Division—Loza refutes the myth that the P-39 was used mainly as a "tank buster" or "flying artillery." Instead, its primary mission was to protect Red Army operations from aerial attacks by the enemy. So despite the occasional strafing of trains, truck convoys, and troops, most P-39 operations involved attacks on Luftwaffe bombers and dogfights with their fighter escorts.

 

Center stage in Loza's story are the P-39 pilots and ground crews themselves, including remarkable Captain Aleksandr Pokryshkin and Major Gregoriy Rechkalov, two of the Soviets' top four aces. In addition, Loza details the organization and operations of the unit's noncombat personnel—who refueled and maintained the aircraft, cleaned and reloaded the guns, packed the parachutes, treated the wounded, guarded the airfields, and commanded the squadrons and regiments.

 

Based on interviews with Soviet veterans and extensive access to squadron histories and logbooks, Loza provides a rare and insightful look at what it was like to live and fight in this victorious air unit.

 

This looks like it would be great source material for a series of missions/campaigns featuring the upcoming P-39. Let's just hope the plane we are presented with can perform as well as it apparently did in the actual battles.

Oh man. This makes me even more excited. I'm adding it to my to-read list now

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i am looking forward to the P-39 too! This is an unreasonable behavior! :biggrin:;)

 

 

i recommend this book:

 

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