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Well if that is the case I seem to have a "bad" account, for i get downed almost everytime I am attacking a player controlled Pe-2. 
 

And in case that will be brought up: Yes, in the majority of cases I am attacking with very steep angle, but as I am going for a high loop I often get shot, even when at 500-600 km/h.

 

On the other hand, and that is true aswell, my 110 gunners work quite good, but not as good as the Pe-2 gunners work (but I am still satisfied with their performance).

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One little trick how i shoot down Bombers especially Pe-2s, never coming from behind, own damage is weak from behind in my opinion, could have to do with weak HE idk, and im open for enemy gunners, after a headon pass i climb and turn and fly paralel and high in the same direction as the bombers, of course not to close, 1km, and then i just come from left to right and from right to left, this way i can land good hits on both engines but it is difficult and needs practice, atleast for me.

 

As a nice side effect the AI bombers will not weave left and right, only after the attack for a few seconds and then go straight again if you are not behind them, of course its offline and players can easily maneuver so you are not on a side aproach but if i would play online i would try the same. :)

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Nobody said that if you shoot a bomber from its 6  dont make damage, we are saying that a russian fighter behind a H111 doesnt risk anything even if it comes slowly...

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A german fighter often  is heavly damnaged when it arrives on the Pe2 to over 700km\h, in the few tenths of a second when it's in range of russian gunners.

 

False. You may come in at over 700kph, but the Pe-2 is doing at least 400-500kph, meaning that your relative (approach) speed is only around 200kph at best. That's biplane speeds.

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Tell that to this guy:

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or

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Or to No. 140 Wing pilot who flew his Mosquito on 31 October 1944 into the roof of University of Aarhus, he struck roof loosing tail wheel and half of its port side of a tail. Aircraft got back home safely. 

 

Actually Mosquito is known for speed, ruggedness, reliability and flight characteristics. 

 

 

Source? never read anywhere that the Mosquito was a boxer, in the first picture you see the shots burns nothing that, the second tail wheel is still attached when it claims otherwise

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Or "I guess my point about the B-17 was a bit erroneous" works too.

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Source? never read anywhere that the Mosquito was a boxer, in the first picture you see the shots burns nothing that, the second tail wheel is still attached when it claims otherwise

 

Because Mosquito was never made to survive hits. It was made to stress at high alt and high speed.

 

Beside that the FIRST PICTURE:

That was was used in the Film 633 Squadron from 1964 and i never heard any story from what these holes came from. Flak, ground attack strafing, mg17 or whatever..  maybe a fighter plane bounced from left to right or right to left, anyway, such damage doesn't kill a plane. Every plane would be operational after such hits.

 

SECOND PICTURE:

the end of the right Wing is off, okay? nothing special. Also most planes, Yak1, Bf 109, Bf 110, MiG3, Grob 120 G or whatever would be still flyable after such damage.

Critical Damage is when your controlparts won't work anymore like shooting them off or hit the control parts inside. Without Elevator Control u won't make it home except you are able to trim it or your entire wing is off, engine is dead or whatever.(If both Elevators are off you are pretty much dead except u have a stabilizer which works like a elevator, without it you are just RIP)

 

Btw Thank you for the Video Asgar! At least someone who provides a good Video.

German Weapons have to be far stronger. The difference between MG151/20 Mineshells vs Shvak is far bigger than the difference between Metal and Wood.

If you want another proof, just check TAW and WoL damage reports. LW planes making damage to VVS planes take DIN A4 pages(always like 0,5%) while soviets make 1 or 2 shots with far higher damage. And yes of course sometimes you can get fast kills but  its not the chase most times.

 

After 1200 Flight hours in BoS/BoM at both sides and NOT only ONE side 24/7 those are the impression i have.

I can understand that many VVS only Pilots will be upset to make german planes better since VVS is fighting mostly outnumbered but it would be realistic.

As Zebra pointed out, the reason of this is balance.

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Source? never read anywhere that the Mosquito was a boxer, in the first picture you see the shots burns nothing that, the second tail wheel is still attached when it claims otherwise

You must have missed "Or"

Second picture presents damaged De Havilland Mosquito FB Mark VI, MM401 'SB-J', of No. 464 Squadron RAAF based at Hunsdon, Hertfordshire, parked at Friston Emergency Landing Ground, Sussex. The aircraft, flown by Squadron Leader A. G. Oxlade (pilot) and Flight Lieutenant D. M. Shanks (navigator), was hit by anti-aircraft fire while attacking a flying-bomb site in the Pas de Calais on 21 February 1944. The port engine was shattered, and the port undercarriage and most of the outer starboard wing was blown off. Despite the damage, the crew flew MM401 back and crash-landed safely at Friston ELG. The port engine nacelle is seen here supported by a caterpillar tractor to enable the aircraft to be moved off the runway. The aircraft was initially categorised as repairable (Category B), but this was changed to a write-off (Category E) after the full extent of the damage became clear. 

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/464-Mosquito/IWM_CE_128

 

Text below is coming from "Britains Greatest Aircraft" by Robert Jackson, page 103 and is related to a different aircraft. 

 

Here is another one:

 

 

144079_53443e166ab4bMosquito%20-%20Showi

 

 

This is 151 Sqn RAF de Havilland Mosquito FB Mk VI flown by F/O Kneath and P/O Kelsey on 19 July 1944. Aircraft was hit in both main planes, the fuselage and the starboard engine cooling system. The drop tank on the starboard wing was also hit and it was felt prudent to get rid of drop tanks altogether in case the control of the aircraft was impaired. Apart from over-heating of the starboard engine on F/O Kneath's aircraft which was carefully nursed the whole way home with part of the distance being done on one engine, the return was uneventful. Inspection of the aircraft revealed considerable damage to the main spar from the flak over the target. 

Source: http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=144079

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That really, really annoyed me and Asgar as we tried to down this Pe-2

 

Quite interesting, these russian planes.

 

 

Edit: It is without sound, since all we did is screaming about the Laz0000r-gunners of the Pe-2.

Same Problem happened to me on numerous occasions. HE seems weak compared to AP rounds for all planes, LW and VVS alike. Paired with the "optimistic" damage model of the Pe2 you get quite entertaining combinations:

 

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Well if that is the case I seem to have a "bad" account, for i get downed almost everytime I am attacking a player controlled Pe-2. 

 

And in case that will be brought up: Yes, in the majority of cases I am attacking with very steep angle, but as I am going for a high loop I often get shot, even when at 500-600 km/h.

 

On the other hand, and that is true aswell, my 110 gunners work quite good, but not as good as the Pe-2 gunners work (but I am still satisfied with their performance).

 

I would hope that two gunners with very good (proper sights) higher velocity and higher rate of fire heavy machine guns beat one upper gunner with rifle calibre machine guns,

 

not forgetting the side machine gun/s to get you as you break either side, the Pe-2 is armed in each quadrant and upper and lower all with good field of fire

 

what does perhaps need looking at carefully is the accuracy of the lower gunner who can also shoot directly astern at the same time as upper gunner with what looks like restricted visibility directly to the 6

 

Cheers Dakpilot

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Because Mosquito was never made to survive hits. It was made to stress at high alt and high speed.

 

Beside that the FIRST PICTURE:

That was was used in the Film 633 Squadron from 1964 and i never heard any story from what these holes came from. Flak, ground attack strafing, mg17 or whatever..  maybe a fighter plane bounced from left to right or right to left, anyway, such damage doesn't kill a plane. Every plane would be operational after such hits.

 

SECOND PICTURE:

the end of the right Wing is off, okay? nothing special. Also most planes, Yak1, Bf 109, Bf 110, MiG3, Grob 120 G or whatever would be still flyable after such damage.

Critical Damage is when your controlparts won't work anymore like shooting them off or hit the control parts inside. Without Elevator Control u won't make it home except you are able to trim it or your entire wing is off, engine is dead or whatever.(If both Elevators are off you are pretty much dead except u have a stabilizer which works like a elevator, without it you are just RIP)

 

Btw Thank you for the Video Asgar! At least someone who provides a good Video.

German Weapons have to be far stronger. The difference between MG151/20 Mineshells vs Shvak is far bigger than the difference between Metal and Wood.

If you want another proof, just check TAW and WoL damage reports. LW planes making damage to VVS planes take DIN A4 pages(always like 0,5%) while soviets make 1 or 2 shots with far higher damage. And yes of course sometimes you can get fast kills but  its not the chase most times.

 

After 1200 Flight hours in BoS/BoM at both sides and NOT only ONE side 24/7 those are the impression i have.

I can understand that many VVS only Pilots will be upset to make german planes better since VVS is fighting mostly outnumbered but it would be realistic.

As Zebra pointed out, the reason of this is balance.

 

+1

 

 

 

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But alas a one sided view in a non-ideal test environment.

 

Actually, no...since I already fly many hours offline in VVS campaign and see the same things there as I wrote about. 

 

Alas, what I wrote is confirmed both online and offline from both sides.

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Same Problem happened to me on numerous occasions. HE seems weak compared to AP rounds for all planes, LW and VVS alike. Paired with the "optimistic" damage model of the Pe2 you get quite entertaining combinations:

 

 

I am experiencing the same things Vade. And it may be placebo, but it seems worse after the last patch. The 15mm seems far more effective than the 20mm as well, which I find incomprehensible.

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False. You may come in at over 700kph, but the Pe-2 is doing at least 400-500kph, meaning that your relative (approach) speed is only around 200kph at best. That's biplane speeds.

Obviously you know that what you say is true only if the two planes have the same altitude and the same direction and surely you know very well that is a little less true in all the other kinds of approach or attack...

Anyway thanks a lot for your little lesson from where we can understand that you attack a bomber only from its 6 o'clock having the same altitude and direction... :acute: 

I would recommend you to experiment with other types of approach especially if you attack a bomber different from H111, if you can do!

 

S! and sorry for my bad English

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You know what I see as one big problem under IL-2 players?

 

Take a look at this picture:

 

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IL-2 player's conclusion:
Not shot down.

 

It hasn't exploded or disintegrated into a million pieces yet, and hasn't touched the ground either. Therefore we have to chase it even more!

When a plane is emitting dark black some from both engines and leaking so much fuel you could light half the country on fire, stop chasing it!

The engines will work for another couple of minutes, after that they will die and the bomber will go down anyways.

 

When it starts heading back to base, why keep chasing it? Is that kill on your scoreboard really that important?

If it's not yet in his friendly territory, it'll likely not make it back anymore anyways.

Even if it does make it back, you defended your target, didn't you?

 

But NO I HAVE TO HAVE THAT KILL ON MY SCOREBOARD KD > OBJECTIVE I WILL CHASE THAT BOMBER NO MATTER WHAT

 

 

 

If it's smoking like a poor guy's bbq combined with a poorly functioning steam engine it'll go down eventually. Engines need oil and coolant to run. Even the Russian engines.

 

 

 

 

So a pro-tactic tip here:
Aim for the engines. When they're smoking black like chugging coal your job is done.

Head back to base and get a beer.

 

 

Oh and stop circling around our airfields, you're literally doing nobody any good there. You'll get swarmed by a swarm of angry Russian bees and get killed to death. You're very easy to spot, just follow the trail of flak and gunfire.

Go to the objective and circle there, or escort your bombers to our targets.

And fly high, Russian fighters don't quite like flying high.

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Excellent points, deWaardt. It seems not many people can tell when a plane is out of power and gliding. I've even had some fighters chase my bomber as it clearly spun out of control toward the earth

 

 

Even if it does make it back, you defended your target, didn't you?

 

Ehhhhh there are a lot of fighters in this game who only patrol high above friendly targets and attack after the attack planes have already released their ammo load.... These people seem to be many and won't seem to learn to patrol in front of the target and actually stop it from getting destroyed lol

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Cymao: Well I mean, the defensive armaments of the Pe-2 are roughly speaking limited to firing within the 5-6-7 o'clock, so you tell me how you're getting hit by them unless you're coming in from the rear.

 

 

Same Problem happened to me on numerous occasions. HE seems weak compared to AP rounds for all planes, LW and VVS alike. Paired with the "optimistic" damage model of the Pe2 you get quite entertaining combinations:

 

 

I don't want to come across as inflammatory, but sorry fella, all those videos prove is that you (or whoever recorded them) need to practice aiming, flying and tactics in general.


+1

 

 

 

 

So you're seeking to establish what exactly? That 109s can't take quite as much damage as Pe-2 bombers? I don't really see how that proves Russian bias and "sicrit dokuments".

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A very simple solution would be to read the dev questions. German planes to be as durable as vvs planes would require them to be a lot heavier. However there s very little diffirence which vvs plane to choose: all lose equally easily to a bf109 (save probably for a yak1b which still loses easy). So i just choose the best armed vvs plane most of the time: vya23 lagg or mig3 double UBS. Also, there s noone to blame but the germans when they have crappy heavy machine guns or none at all.

 

MeoW.Scharfi, on 02 Dec 2016 - 05:26, said:snapback.png

Hey,

 

actually the damage model is pretty accurate BUT in fact russian planes take much more beating than german planes.

 

It disappoints many german sided players.

Han:

Hey

Fact that all russan figters have weaker flight characteristics than german fighters is disappoints many soviet sided players. But we still do our simulator historicaly without any ballance.

Same here with your questions.

Russian planes have wooden airframe, wooden airframe have 2.0 reqired margin of durability. While metall airframe have 1.4 margin of durability. Plus Bf 109 have 1 longeron wing while La-5 and Yak-1 have 2 longeronwing. AND THIS why german planes supreme in flight characteristics - they're LIGHTER while engine have same or close power.

You want to force us to make unrealistic ballanced simulation? No, we will not.

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Posted Today, 14:27 A very simple solution would be to read the dev questions. German planes to be as durable as vvs planes would require them to be a lot heavier. However there s very little diffirence which vvs plane to choose: all lose equally easily to a bf109 (save probably for a yak1b which still loses easy). So i just choose the best armed vvs plane most of the time: vya23 lagg or mig3 double UBS. Also, there s noone to blame but the germans when they have crappy heavy machine guns or none at all.   MeoW.Scharfi, on 02 Dec 2016 - 05:26, said: MeoW.Scharfi, on 02 Dec 2016 - 03:26, said: Hey,   actually the damage model is pretty accurate BUT in fact russian planes take much more beating than german planes.   It disappoints many german sided players. Han: Hey Fact that all russan figters have weaker flight characteristics than german fighters is disappoints many soviet sided players. But we still do our simulator historicaly without any ballance. Same here with your questions. Russian planes have wooden airframe, wooden airframe have 2.0 reqired margin of durability. While metall airframe have 1.4 margin of durability. Plus Bf 109 have 1 longeron wing while La-5 and Yak-1 have 2 longeronwing. AND THIS why german planes supreme in flight characteristics - they're LIGHTER while engine have same or close power. You want to force us to make unrealistic ballanced simulation? No, we will not.

 

 

I repeat again, 

 

 The difference between MG151/20 Mineshells vs Shvak is far bigger than the difference between Metal and Wood.

 

doesn't matter one longeron or two longeronwing. 

 

But hey, every educated class can comment on Forums stuff they don't understand. 

 

Beside that i think since i fly more balanced at both sides than any of you on all different servers.

And just feel how easy 109s go down, not even one brust is needed. 

 

 

Let's be honest.

 

 

 

I don't want to come across as inflammatory, but sorry fella, all those videos prove is that you (or whoever recorded them) need to practice aiming, flying and tactics in general.

 

 

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/pilot/2466/Vade/?tour=19

 

 
"GUNNERY ACCURACY"
Really? 
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Is there much gun cam footage of VVS shooting down LW and vice versa from the war?

 

It seems like I only ever see LW and American gun cam footage

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I repeat again, 

 

 The difference between MG151/20 Mineshells vs Shvak is far bigger than the difference between Metal and Wood.

 

doesn't matter one longeron or two longeronwing. 

 

But hey, every educated class can comment on Forums stuff they don't understand. 

 

Beside that i think since i fly more balanced at both sides than any of you on all different servers.

And just feel how easy 109s go down, not even one brust is needed. 

 

 

Let's be honest.

 

 

 

 

 

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/pilot/2466/Vade/?tour=19

 

 
"GUNNERY ACCURACY"
Really? 

 

Nope, the devs have explained how mg151/20 does ~20% more DPS compared to the shvak so what you jsut said would is BS. TLDR mg151/20> shvak in game.

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I always wondered why if "Mineshells" were such a wonder weapon, why no one on allies side copied it..they were used in 1940? well known, and captured and why it was dropped by everyone after the war

 

109's were lightweight and easy to damage, there are definitely advantages in having a two spar wing compared to a single spar one..ask Kurt Tank 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

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And just feel how easy 109s go down, not even one brust is needed.

One brust (german,in english boob) is not enough.Two are the right number :D

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I always wondered why if "Mineshells" were such a wonder weapon, why no one on allies side copied it..they were used in 1940? well known, and captured and why it was dropped by everyone after the war

 

 

Because Spitfires and Hurricanes Rifle Cal. were good enough to make the planes Radiator leak. They had to rtb at this point. Which was pretty much a crashlanding.

 

But losing a Tail after one bloody 23mm hit is everything but realistic?

 

 

 

Nope, the devs have explained how mg151/20 does ~20% more DPS compared to the shvak so what you jsut said would is BS. TLDR mg151/20> shvak in game.

 

Oh really? Post it!

and should i make a video Bf 109 making damage to another Bf 109 vs LaGG3 making damage on Bf 109?

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Nope, the devs have explained how mg151/20 does ~20% more DPS compared to the shvak so what you jsut said would is BS. TLDR mg151/20> shvak in game.

 

Interesting that you bring that up. How did the devs come up with this? Maybe we should consider research that has been done by experts.

 

 

 

 

In the reference publication for aircraft guns (the "Flying Guns" trilogy, by Antohony G. Williams and Dr. Emmanuel Gustin) one finds in vol. 2 on pages 329-331 a comparison of the most important WWII aircraft guns and their ammunition. Here is a tabular extract of the weapons that are of interest to us:

 

Gun                     Cartridge             ROF       Gun Power       Gun Weight       Gun Efficiency    Gun Power per round

MG17                   7.92x57                20           21                           12                           1.75     

MG131                 13x64B                 15           45                           17                           2.65

Breda                   12.7x81SR           12           36                           29                           1.24

.50M2                   12.7x99                13           58                           29                           2

12.7UB                 12.7x108              17           102                        25                           4.1

MG-FF                  20x80RB              8             120                        28                           4.3

MG151                 20x82                    12           204                        42                           4.9          17 (=204/12)

ShVAK                 20x99R                 13           169                        42                           4              13(=169/13)

B-20                     20x99R                 13           169                        25                           6.8

Hispano II           20x110                 10           200                        50                           4

Hispano V           20x110                 12           240                        42                           5.7

Vya                        23x152B               9             234                         68                           3.4

MK108                 30x90RB              10           580                        60                           9.7

NS-37                   37x195                 4             424                        170                        2.5

 

ROF= Rate of Fire for an unsynchronized gun

Gun Power= It’s a calculated and normalized number that takes into account the destructive force of different types of ammunition multiplied by the ROF of the weapon. These calculations were compared with empirical data from RAF experiments. The results were nearly equal.

Gun Efficiency= To judge the efficiency of a gun installation in a plane the Gun Power was divided by the weight of the gun (in kg). The outstanding performer here is clearly the MK108/30mm, which achieves ten times the destructiveness of the 0.50M2 for only twice the weight.

 

Interesting for us should be the damage per round

 

17/13=1,3 so the damage should be 30% more, according to people who did some research. In any case IMO not even the 20% more is achieved in the game. Please look at Asgar´s videos...

 

Judging by this maybe the devs even took this table from the book, but made the mistake of comapring "gun power´" which actually gives the damage over a period of shooting time 204/169~1,2

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Because Spitfires and Hurricanes Rifle Cal. were good enough to make the planes Radiator leak. They had to rtb at this point. Which was pretty much a crashlanding.

 

But losing a Tail after one bloody 23mm hit is everything but realistic?

 

 

Oh really? Post it!

and should i make a video Bf 109 making damage to another Bf 109 vs LaGG3 making damage on Bf 109?

You will find it on the russian forums ez.

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Because Spitfires and Hurricanes Rifle Cal. were good enough to make the planes Radiator leak. They had to rtb at this point. Which was pretty much a crashlanding.

 

But losing a Tail after one bloody 23mm hit is everything but realistic?

 

 

 

 

Well Spitfires were upgunned to canon... and I think the War continued beyond 1940....on many fronts other than BoB

 

Bf 109 tails used to fall off on their own accord without any help from 23mm,   ;)  (fixed with a small fillet) it was in fact a well known earlier Messerschmidt problem which led to the feud between Willi Messerschmitt and Erhard Milch and long reaching consequences

 

These issues even continued to a certain extent with Me-210 with many test pilots losing their lives, Messerschmitts being built lightweight and preferring speed and aerodynamics over strength is very well known in history and not some concocted fact

 

I am not saying that the DM on 109 is accurate, but some people just think Tiger Tank-FW190-Mercedes Benz engine-German engineering....therefore is very strong  :wacko:

 

Cheers Dakpilot

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One brust (german,in english boob) is not enough.Two are the right number :D

 

I don't want to come across as inflammatory, but sorry fella, all those videos prove is that you (or whoever recorded them) need to practice aiming, flying and tactics in general.

 

 

 

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/log/1577447/?tour=19

 

0,5..0,5..0,5.0,5.0,6.0,5.0,7.0,5.(except the MiG3, it was on fire)

 

and then few shots from Tailgunner.

1,2% and 0,9%

then 96,8%

And i can post far more damage reports like that. Way more than you got the other way.

 

I am really not sure if this is just a mistake in damage models [edited]

 

I mean i don't want to insult russians or some other eastern europe players. But i have really the feel that every round feels like berlin 1945.

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I see a lot smart and good german pilots that belong to the skilled part of community going to Boom and Zoom tactic to their enemies. 

Attacking them with high speed from above, give them hits and then go vertical. Many times i see it after 1200 hours in BoS/BoM the soviet fighters climb behind them after they took hits, then they press

F for Flaps and stay like helicopters and snip the 109 that climbs up from the sky. (ballastic is something i have to test too)

There are a lot of vidoes likes that i can post.

 

If you disagree what i just wrote then you didn't face good soviet pilots.

But if you want to try it by flying a 1on1 against me i will show you what i am talking about.

 

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Wait until you see modernized types of allied aircraft if you feel berlin 45 is what you get every round hehe.

I am excited to expierence how it really was back then when the germans get there asses kicked, when hordes of nazis where slaughtered in the air by superior allied designs.

 

I dont get why russian planes should be sturdier to cannonfire then german ones but i guess someone said so and not because of the possibilty that HE shells are to weak in general or that maybe...

No it cant be, it has to do with lots of noobs joining the german side because they are not skilled enough to fly other things then superior german planes, only noobs joining the germans right but wait, how will allied pilots be called when superior allied designs arrive.

 

Im glad that i am an offliner, in my realm no one calls me things like noob for the side i choose to fly for just for being an offliner but thats ok, you poor german pilots. :rolleyes:

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OK, let me weigh in on this topic....
 
I made the following video using a recorded sortie from last Friday night to demonstrate the use of a energy-fighting tactic. This said, it's perfect to illustrate the points discussed.  
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0eygBV_AnI

 

While you watch the video, keep in mind a few points:
 
1.)  I'm in a FW190 with the extra cannons load-out.  That's FOUR 20mm cannons and two 7.92mm machine guns.
 
2.)  I've just roped the opposing pilot's plane.  He's run out of energy and is only just starting to get his plane under control when I get into firing position.
 
3.)  I have a nearly perfect shot aspect i.e. His plane is presenting the largest target possible, including full exposure of his cockpit to my fire.
 
4.)  I squeeze the trigger early and let his plane ride into my stream of fire. 
  
So what did this very nice setup, hammerhead and nearly optimal aspect shot with four cannons and two machine-guns at optimal range result in, you ask?  
 
http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/log/1591660/?tour=19

 

The result was the opposing plane flew on without a care in the World!  

 

My hits caused a grand total of 1.7% damage to his plane and what looked like a minor leak.   :lol:

 

FYI - This isn't an isolated occurrence. It's not shown in this video, but I managed to pull this pilot's wingman up in a rope and hit him in similar fashion during the same sortie....with pretty much the same result i.e. Jack Squat.   He's the other chap listed in the sortie log...I'll leave it to you to figure out who is who.
 
 I might be able to buy into the network lag theory, because it seems to happen more often with Eastern European pilots (like the two listed in this sortie), but the cause is largely irrelevant.  It doesn't matter to me if the cause is net lag, inadequate weapon damage modeling, over-modeled plane durability or outright cheating...the end result is frustration.  For now it doesn't matter to me....I really love this game and will continue to fly it.  But in the long run the frustration will likely cause me to seek greener pastures to invest my time in.  Hopefully a solution can be found.  If the problem is lag-related, which I agree is a likely possibility for us North American players but also admit I find less plausible as the cause for the frustration of players located in Europe, then maybe the solution is for a viable, populated North American server.

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