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Judging by the squadron codes on the Hurricane, it’s another Battle of Britain. Maybe Wings over the UK would have been a more appropriate title?

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I wish OBD all the best with their new endeavor. They created an insanely good WWI product.

Only the FMs kept me off from enjoying it, since they are not competitive against those modern FMs, we are used to from BoX/RoF/DCS.

In an perfect world, OBD would be hired by 1C/777 to create RoF2/FC1 with the given modern technology. For what they have achieved and created with the ancient MSCFS engine is simply amazing. Really!

I will keep an eye on WotR, but I won't buy it blind, as I did with WoFF and all its expansions, to support WWI siming.

 

The competition is incredible strong in WWII siming these days, that I fear for the success of WotR. Those guys are so talented, I wish they could produce flightsims with a modern engine. Because the actual feeling of being part of the Great War and all the efforts put into the singleplayer experience is simply second to none!

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The main reason I quit WoFF wasn't even the FMs. In the end, I could live with them. The atmosphere is so incredible dense, that it could easy compensate the technical insufficient.

But as I went on for a triple Monitor set up 2 years ago, I wasn't able to run WoFF on 3 Monitors. That killed it for me.

 

I wonder if WotR will support VR. Albeit I don't have a VR setup, it's the way to go and only a matter of time for me to jump on the train.

Thus predicting, a flightsim without VR support will have an incredible hard stand on the market these days.

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The screens look nice, but I’m a bit surprised to see the Hurricane. I thought they were going for 1943-44 Western Europe?

 

Also: They have taken nearly a year to get this far? Yeah... I just don’t see it happening.

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Yeah... I just don’t see it happening.

Dear friend, point taken, how many times do you wish to reiterate it?

 

I think OBD has managed to build something with an identity that more modern "historically based" simulations are still only dreaming of, and I'm eager to see what it can do in representing the scenario they've chosen.

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I think OBD has managed to build something with an identity that more modern "historically based" simulations are still only dreaming of, and I'm eager to see what it can do in representing the scenario they've chosen.

 

Ouch, that's certainly true of our developers here.  As much as I admire them, I cant say they think that deeply about gameplay.

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I'm eager to see what it can do in representing the scenario they've chosen.

As am I, if it ever gets released, but I’m now a bit confused as to exactly what scenario that is. As I said, I thought we were looking at Western Europe 43-44, yet here we have screens of an early war Hurricane?

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I understand that it's a team of two and I'm still looking forward to the end product; but the radio silence from the team in terms of development is a bit off-putting. 

 

Perhaps I've been spoiled by the IL-2 devs, but even a short message with the goal of the month would be nice to see. 

 

France 1940 as the first instalment?

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Ouch, that's certainly true of our developers here. As much as I admire them, I cant say they think that deeply about gameplay.

I still see Bo? as incomplete, whereas WoFF fulfills a lot more of my expectations from an historical combat flight game. Bo? does other things better, but without reaching a result that seems coherent to me. Yet. I'm looking forward to the maturation of both.

But I'm curious, how come you get that impression, regarding gameplay?

 

As for the timeframe, this has been stated but it might be outdated:

The intention is that it will eventually encompass the whole of WW2 and will be centered in Europe. From the Battle of France, Battle of Britain to the massive day and night raids over Germany and German held territories.

 

Regarding communication, I suggest you head over their forums at SimHQ.

Yes, we are definitely spoiled... :)

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I really enjoyed WOFF for a while back in 2014, but then discovered what a hack job they did with the terrain and was turned off (the original CFS3 terrain was way better IMHO).

The developers are really talented and knowledgeable, but there's a limit on what you can do by essentially modding the venerable CFS3... I would also guess that VR support for Wings Over the Reich is out of the question, so for me it's not an interesting product.

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I really enjoyed WOFF for a while back in 2014, but then discovered what a hack job they did with the terrain and was turned off (the original CFS3 terrain was way better IMHO).

The developers are really talented and knowledgeable, but there's a limit on what you can do by essentially modding the venerable CFS3... I would also guess that VR support for Wings Over the Reich is out of the question, so for me it's not an interesting product.

 

The CFS3 terrain was crap! It was f***ing ugly. Details were not only poor, but also bad engineered - I'll never forget the rail track width being as double as a wagon.

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The CFS3 terrain was crap! It was f***ing ugly. Details were not only poor, but also bad engineered - I'll never forget the rail track width being as double as a wagon.

 

I was referring to the topography, not the width of the RR tracks :biggrin:

Cities and towns, as well as the "moving frontlines", have been placed in incorrect locations in Woff terrain, while most of the roads are those of CFS3 and are not consistent with the placement of the towns. That's why the inflight map is just an "artistic rendering" and bears only a passing resemblance to what you find on the ground.

 

If the developers of BOX did something like this with one of their maps people would scream bloody murder :rolleyes:

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As am I, if it ever gets released, but I’m now a bit confused as to exactly what scenario that is. As I said, I thought we were looking at Western Europe 43-44, yet here we have screens of an early war Hurricane?

 

If you have been following the development of this game it was stated right from the start it would begin from an early period (Battle of France) right through to the air fighting over the Reich...

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It'll be interesting when the new campaign is out for BoX, this will demonstrate to me what the devs wish to give SP people. I've been waiting 3 years for it!

Will it be lacking, or will it be on target? Who knows. But it will finally be a SP 'marker in the sand' against which any others can be compared, and I'll be keen to see what happens if this 'Wings over' gets released.

I've reluctantly started to think that BoX is not going to meet my SP expectations through them lacking the relevant programmers (too few people, not limited skill) and limits of the game engine, it also seems the focus is on MP for new features.

Is there enough competition in WWII Sims? I don't think so, certainly not for SP, so if this 'Wings over' can compete, or provide something different, it will be good.

I'm a bit worried about the upcoming career system too. It's design and features are being done by a staff member who's background is in MP and competitions. I'm not sure he will be able to put himself into a singleplayer's shoes to work out what sort of gameplay is needed. I noticed one of the first features he revealed was a set of Leaderboards for SP players. Of all the things you could build for offliners, I cannot imagine what could be less useful.

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I'm a bit worried about the upcoming career system too. It's design and features are being done by a staff member who's background is in MP and competitions. I'm not sure he will be able to put himself into a singleplayer's shoes to work out what sort of gameplay is needed. I noticed one of the first features he revealed was a set of Leaderboards for SP players. Of all the things you could build for offliners, I cannot imagine what could be less useful.

 

Nothing to worry about. It's going to be an improved ROF style career.

Not very exciting, but certainly much better than that cold fish mission generator we have now. Let's keep our expectations in check, it's not going to be the second coming of the holy almighty dynamic single player campaign :biggrin:

 

And in case it turns out it's another lemon, there's always PWCG....

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No lemons, please... (PWCG works, yes, but I still think the game's own generated missions are better in certain aspects, content-wise... )

Anyway!

We're optimistic! Even with silly leaderboards! We're hopeful! :)

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I'm a bit worried about the upcoming career system too. It's design and features are being done by a staff member who's background is in MP and competitions. I'm not sure he will be able to put himself into a singleplayer's shoes to work out what sort of gameplay is needed. I noticed one of the first features he revealed was a set of Leaderboards for SP players. Of all the things you could build for offliners, I cannot imagine what could be less useful.

 

I can't find any mention's of leaderboards in the DD's for the upcoming Careermode. I know ROF has one, but that's not a guarantee that this will be ported over to BOX. I agree that the current campaign is lackluster at best and just an afterthought as most SP content in modern MP games. But they clearly have the intention to support both SP and MP content in the future. Apart from some smaller AI issues the current ROF Career is pretty good and entertaining. I still feel that a lot of older simmers are looking at the older SP sims with rose colored glasses. Yes the EAW and Falcon 4.0 campaign's where pretty good, but i can name at least 10 older flightsims with very basic or even dreadful SP content. Including the first Il-2 (2001). 

 

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If by Leaderboards it is ment the one in newspaper/squad level,that was here allready with Red Baron series . I always loved to see my name far ahead of von Richthofen or Fonck....and list continuously reduced by aces I sent down in flames :D

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Looks... WOFF. :)

 

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WINGS OVER THE REICH - May 2018 DEVELOPMENT UPDATE
Our new WW2 combat flight simulator in development is progressing well and getting closer to completion. Here are a few taster screen-shots.

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Please note that all items are subject to change. 'WOTR' features a newly written dynamic campaign system, redesigned by OBD for WW2, together with OBD's living world environment, as well as revised and uprated AI systems, to really bring WW2 air battles to life!

 

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Yeah, but like others I got excited when I heard of the title. It sounds like P-47's and P-51's escorting B-17's over Germany. Lancasters on night missions over Berlin. Mossie intruder flights deep into occupied Europe. Then I hear that it starts with France, 1940. They're going to do the entire war, so it's gonna be a while 'til your wings will be over the Riech. 

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There are a few areas where the BoX series & CloD singleplayer fall flat on their faces, such as AI radio calls and commands.  If this title can do better I'll be interested in purchasing.

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On 5/20/2018 at 3:22 AM, Poochnboo said:

it's gonna be a while 'til your wings will be over the Riech

I guess, that as a Luftwaffe pilot, player will get his training in Germany, so it's over the Reich all right:biggrin:

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Not to change the subject but is WOFF worth getting? I've been interested in it for a while but wasn't sure if it's worth it since I already have RoF.

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26 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

Not to change the subject but is WOFF worth getting? I've been interested in it for a while but wasn't sure if it's worth it since I already have RoF.

 

It depends. The UI and menu set-up, graphics options etc. are absolutely awful. Genuinely, setting the game up and going through all the menus feels archaic and clunky. 

The missions themselves are great, the campaign is second-to-none in my opinion. The graphics are dated, but acceptable.

It really depends on what you value. If you like immersion over all else, and can put up with dated graphics, FM's and menus, then I'd say go for it. 
Personally, the campaign is the only thing that it does better than Rise of Flight. Given the price of the game.. I'm not sure it's worth the investment.

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I bought WoFF at Christmas, but it didn’t really gel for me.   For all it’s assertions about being a new engine, the feeling of flight was very much still like CFS3.  I certainly respect the amount of work that went into it.  There’s a lot to explore and I hoped it would scratch the itch while waiting for 777 to get their career mode released.  The campaign missions that I flew however had long waypoints with no activity and a token enemy reliably placed at the very last one.  The AI did not seem effected by wind conditions either, and I’d find myself flying in an almost vertical bank and stomping on the rudder just to maintain position in my serenely flying formation.  The effect of wind and AI immunity to it in a battle makes things feel very strange indeed.  

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My 2p worth..it's up there for me personally as 1 of my favourite sims of all time. The community is also really good over there a great bunch of lads.

 

The "feeling" of flight is better in ROF but as a overall ww1 campaign sim I think WOFF is way better. The A.i is incredible,some of the best dogfights I've ever had in any sim as come in WOFF. (Only recently purchased BOX series) so I can't realistically comment on BOX dogfights yet guys.

 

Mods..There are some essential mods. JJJ,S mission editor lets you move waypoints,change time of takeoff..in fact there's not much you can't do with it. There's airfield mods,roll mods ground textures,Sky textures and BuckeyeBobs excellent weather mod. And most of them are JSGME compatible..so very easy to setup. I agree sometimes you'll do a mission and not see any enemy AC at all,sometimes you'll get bounced halfway thru your mission..realistically this is supposedly how things happened at times in WW1.

 

My personal WW1 sim of choice is WOFF,don't get me wrong guys I love flying in ROF at least once a week il take a flight up and truly enjoy it but the SP campaign,Ai,random failures and amount of flyable kites ,claims system and much more takes me back to WOFF time and time again. I believe it's on sale at the moment aswell.

 

Im loving the BOX series and just recently purchased the Ju52 and the Mc 202. The new campaign system for me is a godsend as I really only fly SP (il be getting into MP has soon as I'm proficient in SP).

 

Good WW1 and even WW2 sims are in such short supply. I truly hope the 2 man team at OBD have great success in WOTR,I feel exactly the same with this team of 1c and 777 studios. And il continue to support them both.

 

Edit: WOFF is on sale at $35.99 an absolute steal IMO..that's less than 50c per flyable craft :o:for me at that price it'd be a no brainer

Like I said guys just my 2p worth..fly safe and best regards to everyone 

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On 22.5.2018 at 5:36 AM, Feathered_IV said:

There are a few areas where the BoX series & CloD singleplayer fall flat on their faces, such as AI radio calls and commands.  If this title can do better I'll be interested in purchasing.

The word Dynamic campaign is the one getting my attention. This is for sure something I buy

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1 hour ago, LuseKofte said:

The word Dynamic campaign is the one getting my attention. This is for sure something I buy

 

It isn't a truly dynamic campaign... Just a lot more immersive of a format.

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crap. :( If I was more into jets I would have flown BMS they say it is good

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Looks kind of dated, the SP only thing is a weird choice, it's like we're in a time warp and another CFS is about to be released.

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28 minutes ago, kestrel79 said:

What engine is this using? Or is it new?

 

Incredibly,  it uses the Micosoft Combat Flight Simulator 3 engine.:o:

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I for one am looking forward to what the guys at OBD deliver. Surely another WW2 sim is good for everyone?

If its got WOFF,S A.i and historical detail then im in..Also the singleplayer and campaign should deliver.

 

More WW1 and WW2 sims are what we need,il continue supporting Both 1C\777 and OBD everyones a winner

A few pictures in the spoiler

 

Spoiler

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Before we going to move over to an salty WoTR DirectX9 discussion, Ankor is very  busy to get DirectX11 shaders into the game engine,( do not know why he is not going for DirectX12). About VR he was not clear on this, he does have a Vive, so I’m very sure he will fix that. 

Answer from Ankor: , yes. I haven't tried it yet, but the possibility is there and I have HTC Vive to experiment with.

 

Edit: copy/paste from the develpers: In this Phase, yes Battle of Britain. If it does well there will be more phases for the war, if not probably not

 

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I'm pretty confident that anyone with a decent knowledge about what WoFF's nature is won't come in and bitch about graphics technology anyway.

At any rate, I always found its landscapes so much more appealing and fascinating than those generated by any other recent simulation...

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WoTR will undoubtedly do very well at what it sets out to do even if elements (or most of...) the game engine is considerably out of date.

 

WoFF is great and pretty unique - it'll be wonderful to try out a WWII sim cut from its cloth.

 

11 hours ago, LukeFF said:

meh

 

If you haven't tried WoFF and are interested in giving it a test drive, at least to see what it offers as a campaign generator/RP career if not a high-fidelity sim, PM me and we can possibly make arrangements.

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I'm interested in a good old SP experience, count me in with this new sim. 😃

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