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#121 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 11:53

Despite I would love to have them,  I find the Po2 VERY slow. Would be valid, solid gameplay for solo playing, but for multiplayer, more difficult.   The cruise speed of a po2 is 110 km/h   Try to fly that speed: take our beloved Tante Ju with full flaps, and manage to fly at 110km/h (almost stall speed) and fly with it... takes a LOT of time actually to even do a "tiny" 50 km. (typical low objective distance in MP)  

 

The Ju-52 is listed at 210kph,, yet ingame it is mostly flown around 230-240kph.

The Po-2 is listed at 110 Cruise and 155 Maximum, so my guess is that ingame it will be flown much faster than Civilians would have, so my guess realistically it's more like 130-140.

 

That's 50km in around 20 Minutes. Since you wouldn't cross the Front by much, you wouldn't have to fly far anyways. Most of the time it would be flown in your own territory, just like a 52.

 

The main challenges it would be used for is Bushcrafting, STOLing and all the fun connected to that. Maybe a bit of Front Line Low Level stuff as well.  


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#122 6./ZG26_5tuka

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 12:11

Whichever they decide one, both have advantages and disadvantages. Po-2 is likely much less work than a fully fleshed out Li-2 but also terribly slow and less effective marketing wise.

Furthermore the Po-2 could serve as an observation and reconissence aircraft but that would create a lack in the LW plane set much like the current transport aircraft situation.

The Li-2 on the other hand would give the VVS a long desired alternative level bomber although quite inferiour to the Pe-2 with bad performence, protection and low payload.
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#123 CuteKitten94

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 13:15

Whichever they decide one, both have advantages and disadvantages. Po-2 is likely much less work than a fully fleshed out Li-2 but also terribly slow and less effective marketing wise.

Furthermore the Po-2 could serve as an observation and reconissence aircraft but that would create a lack in the LW plane set much like the current transport aircraft situation.

The Li-2 on the other hand would give the VVS a long desired alternative level bomber although quite inferiour to the Pe-2 with bad performence, protection and low payload.

Well, all the players that think the Po-2 won't sell [Edited] They are just against women in Flight Simming. I am absolutely certain that it opens a completely New Market giving female players Heroes they can identify with, like the Night Witches to crush the Patriarchy of the 3rd Reich.

 

Why don't you want women in this game?


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#124 Caudron431Micha

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 14:36

Female Soviet pilot flew bombers (587th Bomber Regiment, Pe2), fighters (586th Fighter Regiment, Yak1), types that we already have in game...They were not  only flying po2 as some seem to suddenly believe... :huh: 

 

That said i'm all for the Po2 at some point when we will have something like a Bf108 Taifun, those are more liaison types than cargo.To me Soviet cargo/transport should be Li2, it will make a more interesting thing to fly for dedicated cargo pilots.


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#125 Gambit21

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 16:33

The Ju-52 is listed at 210kph,, yet ingame it is mostly flown around 230-240kph.


Documented @ 260-270kph, and happily does 260 in the sim.
When you say listed, where is that exactly? In the game itself? I haven't looked at it's page there yet.
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#126 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 17:05

Documented @ 260-270kph, and happily does 260 in the sim.
When you say listed, where is that exactly? In the game itself? I haven't looked at it's page there yet.

That's Top Speed, but Cruising Speed is normally between 180-210. 

 

Cruise on the Po-2 is a civilian 110, but Maximum is around 155. 

 

Ingame People cruise the 52 at 230-240, so my guess is that the Po-2 will also be cruised at much higher Speeds than the Civilians one would. 


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#127 Seacondor

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 00:09

I really don't see the sense to another Bf109 when there are far more interesting planes that can be used to make

truly diverse missions. Having had a lot of experience with planes like the Storch and Hs123 I can see their value

when good missions are written for them. They make a good break from those fighter missions and their slower

pace means you get to fly longer in these relatively small maps. The Po.2 is good for this as well. They also add

more of a strategy element to the missions when it comes to surviving those annoying fighter attacks...   


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#128 FFS_Cybermat47

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 05:50

Something else to note about the Po-2: one of the developers (I think it was Han) said that they would like to do Korea at some point.

 

Guess what?

 

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#129 I./ZG1_Martijnvdm

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:53

Wouldn't this be a better match with the Po-2?

 

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#130 Gambit21

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 15:28

no - but neat aircraft.


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#131 A-E-Hartmann

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Posted 15 January 2017 - 13:44

It would be very nice to see a Fieseler Storsch .

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#132 I./JG1_Pragr

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 07:38

Wouldn't this be a better match with the Po-2?

 

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Have no idea about the match with Po 2 but it would make more sense than Storch.

 

Storch is just a aero-taxi/liaison aircraft. There is absolutely no task it can fulfill in Il-2 game environment. Thus it's just a waste of limited resources. The Hs 126 is "better" plane since it was used for close tactical recon/artillery spotting missions. So it could be used to some extend.


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#133 Gambit21

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 18:20

Eh...no
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#134 InProgress

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 21:51

I will just put this up :P would be great to get them, who needs another bf109
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#135 BlitzPig_EL

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 16:29

I'd still rather see the IAR 80/81 and I-153 than the Po-2 and Storch matchup.


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#136 Gambit21

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 01:37

No right or wrong here, but they're just 2 more fighters...we're not hurting for more of those where the Eastern Front is concerned.

I think the most valuable thing would be adding additional gameplay dynamics, which the Po-2 and Storch both offer.


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#137 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 07:56

I'd still rather see the IAR 80/81 and I-153 than the Po-2 and Storch matchup.

I don't really see the Sorch having as much versatility as the Po-2, as much as I like it, I don't really see it having as much of a Place as a Fw189 which could also be used for harassment. 


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Posted 21 July 2017 - 11:07

For offline I can see the Storch kind of working, well except for the AI AAA gunners that will shred it at every turn.

 

In multiplayer it will be a slow, short ride to a smoking hole in the ground as it will be easy prey for even the most inexperienced pilots, and still have to deal with the AI AAA gunners.


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#139 Gambit21

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 20:49

I think the challenge of ingress/egress at tree top level, using terrain and clouds on the Kuban map would be too much fun. :)


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