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The Junkers 52 is very special and very useful to fly in my opinion. This is the FIRST time we have a chance to fly a transport in this kind of sim  :dance:

 

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Flying Junkers 52 "Tante Ju"

 

Tutorial Video: Junkers 52/3m g4e Familiarisation by "The Air combat Tutorial Library" https://youtu.be/2Kkwxw1qFk8

 

Stall speed with full load:

Flaps 0%: 120km/h     

Flaps 60% (25°) 115km/h

Flaps 100% (40°) 100km/h

 

Start the engines! takes around 2:30 so plenty of time to work on the navigation

Taxing: go very slow, never let her gain speed. Use the  brakes : brake key with rudder input OR left Brake/ right brake and watch the Needle: keep it centered.

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Take Off

Open all radiators. Keep them both at 100% all the time

Horizontal Stabilizer: -70% (+2 on the indicator)

Flaps 60% (25°) 

Slowly increase power to the maximum

keep Tante Ju straight with Rudder and watch the Needle to help

Above 70 Km/h, raise the tail

Rotate at around 110 km/h

 

Cruise:

Power at 88-95%

Apply Left Rudder Trim.

 

Landing:

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Mixture Full rich

Left Rudder Trim Neutral (remember it or your plane might yaw to the left and crash)

Horizontal Stabilizer: -70% (+2 on the indicator)

Downwind:  Reduce speed below 170 km/h 

Set Flaps 60% (25°) @ 150km/h

Base to Final : Flaps Full 100% (40°) @ 130km/h

After touchdown, set power to 50% to help keeping her straight. Use the Needle.

 

Flaps Operation

Note: Flaps are only used to short take off and landing, so you do not have to use them actually since the runway are long enough.

 

Flaps 60% (25°)

Horizontal stabilizer at -70% ; "Flaps down" key ; Horizontal Stabilizer at 0% = Flaps 60% (25°)

Flaps 100% (40°)

Horizontal Stabilizer at -70% ; "Flaps down" key ; Horizontal Stabilizer at +70% = Flaps 100% (40°)

No Flaps:

Horizontal Stabilizer at -70% ; "Flaps Up" key = Flaps 0%

 

Note: The horizontal stabilizer has to be between -100% and 0% PRIOR to reach 100% flaps.

 

 

 

 

Reviews

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I tried Tante Ju, it is very fantastic, I never thought this level of realism would be possible in a simulation.

You really feel to fly a 1930' transport!

This is incredible.

 

But this Tante Ju has to be deserved. Flying it is so much different than the other airplane!

 

You feel that you are with another kind of airplane.

 

Taxing is a complete different tactic than other aircraft , even the demanding Ju88.

 

You think you know how to fly an airplane? try Tante Ju!

 

I have to  learn how to fly it properly. I am so glad of that although I flew pretty much all aircraft in this sim.

 

I was thinking "oh! this will be easy for me!" I am so wrong!

 

Tante Ju is sooo much special. Much better than I ever imagined during this long 4 month wait.

 

I love it! 

 

The wheel brake system handling with the wheel brake is an outstanding simplification made by the dev team since only few of us have a 3 throttle axes.

 

I am so glad to enjoy this work of art. Really. I flew Tante Ju in FSX, although well made, the handling has NOTHING in common with out Tante Ju.

 

Gosh, they took 4 month to make it... I understand why. This is an outstanding job. I really feel like flying the real one: the sound, the cockpit vibrations, the sound, the handling...

 

Brave pilot went to combat with this slow non combat aircraft... maybe they are one of the real war heroes?

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I've just finished my first Ju-52 mission: phew! Just a simple cargo supply run, or so it seemed... 

 

I'd taken the easy option, and run it in 'normal' settings, so I didn't have to navigate, which was just as well because at 500 m in twilight with ground-level mist it would have been easy to get lost. The trip out was simple enough until about half way, when it suddenly got busy - MiGs escorting Il-2s turned up, which gave my escort (2 Bf 109s) an excuse to run off looking for glory. Not helpful, as soon after I passed over the IL-2s (who clearly had other objectives than the easy meat I'd have been) a pair of LaGGs also appeared - just as I was trying to orientate myself for landing on the delivery runway. Fortunately there was flak defending the airfield, but I didn't have much choice other than to commence my landing run with a LaGG behind me, firing! Possibly being so slow actually helped me, or maybe the flak did its job, but either way I managed to land in one piece, though my number 2 engine took a hit, and died. :(

 

The LaGGs were gone by then, so I unloaded the cargo, and struggled back onto the runway (I'm not sure whether I'd actually landed on it, but by the end of my short landing run I wasn't). There seemed to be plenty of runway ahead, and my two remaining engines seemed to be working properly, so I wound the flaps back up half way, applied full power, and crossed my fingers. Somehow I managed to get airborne again, though I've no idea what speed I was doing when I left the ground: not a lot, anyway. 

 

With only two working engines and a fair bit of fuel the rate of climb was marginal, so having got up to about 200m I decided to just throttle back a tad (it didn't seem wise to use full power for an extended period if I could avoid it), and cruise home at 150 Km/h, which was all it would do. Even with full up trim I had to pull back on the stick to stay level, which was a little awkward, but I made it back to base, and landed with no further damage. Mission complete. 40 minutes. And proof, if any were needed, that flying the Ju-52 is anything but boring. Sure, there is little glory in delivering crates of button-polish and Stahlhelm requisition forms, but the job has to be done. My sincere thanks to the development team for presenting us with this masterpiece of Teutonic iron-mongery - a worthy addition to the roster. :good:

 

 

How to avoid being shot down?  :hunter: How to Setup and use the Gunner Turret?

 

 

From my hours and hours flying Tante Ju, use this rule:

Your Wheels MUST touch the trees. FLY LOW AND SLOW , Fly SMART, Ask to Fighters Pilots a Cover Over destination.

Being almost invisible is our best defense do not count on your Gunner, He always drink Schnaps, farts , burps and get drunk during flight .

Keep in mind that Tante Ju is highly vulnerable against Fighters and anti AA In clear: We have 95% chance of being shot down when a human fighters is chasing us. Thus we MUST fly stealthy 

However, with  IA fighters ,as their aim is not so accurate (Vodka?) when we are flying treetop level we have around 50% chance to survive, depending on their skill level.

Please for the love of Tante Ju, fly treetop. It is very very very effective, Prefer to fly above forest (except on winter) and avoir flying above landmarks like cities and river as the fighters look for them to navigate.

Moreover, as you do NOT have a ventral gunner, some pilot will enjoy shooting you down from below. Plus, you are very visible if you do not fly low:

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On supply delivery mission:

f you are landed you are very visible Any pilot will spot you. Solution: if you are attacked finish the mission immediately. Do NOT take off (no chances to survive)

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Can you spot the 2 Tante Ju on the picture below? The Yak pilot can!

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In case of damage:

If 1 engine is dead, increase power to 100% and watch for engine temperature. 

Thankfully Tante Ju can still fly with 2 engines , even at maximum load! 

Use Yaw trim as necessary. 

 

Turret Operation:

MG15 with 15 magazines in total

Use this configuration to make it MUCH more easy to operate it see the whole video!

Remember to fly on treetop level, even against AI. 

 

 

Still wants to know more? Excellent!

Here is a good defense video: 2 Ju52 in formation attacked by a LaGG-3 on Random Expert Server http://youtube.com/watch?v=tNpFpiGs1nM

An another nice defense with the use of turret vs 2 I16 on solo campaign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZyPOYWI9j8

Here is my video when I shot down a Human Yak1b on Friday Night Bomber Flight , to show show you yes! it is possible! Enjoy !

 

 

 

 

Missions and skins

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A Big Up to all makers! I love you guys!! ❤️

Junkers 52 Skins https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/17317-ju-52-skins/

Junkers 52 @szelljr  skins: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/g46sukggo3411/Ju523mg4e#myfiles

Junkers 52 Single player missions By @Gambit21 https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/28858-single-player-ju-52-missions-gambit-21/

Junkers 52 "Supply Runner" single mission by @[TWB]Sketch https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/37733-sketchs-missions/

Junkers 52 "HIMMELFAHRTSKOMMANDO JU 52" Scripted Campaign http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads4&file=details&id=72 (Put the folder into \data\Campaigns)

Pat Wilsons Campaign Generator Henree (PWCG) lets you play Junkers 52 campaign! download here https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/31229-get-pwcg-here/ , how to use it here: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/99-pwcg-for-bos/  

 

 

 

Community Topics

 

History in the Simulator

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2014 October 10

"here’s a possibility that Ju-52 may become available in the game as a non-flyable plane in transport escort/interception raids.",

 https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=176626

 

2014 November 28 (Screenshots)

" we are working on the unflyable Ju-52, so here're 3 screenshots with it for you below. Obviously, it's not complete yet. We'll keep you informed about the progress of its development during winter" https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=206660

 

2015 March 20

"Of course, the team is working real hard at the next update, version 1.011 which is going to feature the long-awaited Ju 52. Tante Ju will become the first AI-only aircraft in the project." https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=245074

 

2015 April 10

"And of course we’ve got news about our progress in improving BOS. Later this month we’re going to release a version update which, along with dozens of improvements and fixes, will feature the Ju 52 transport aircraft and the Velikie Luki playable map. These two are the key elements of version 1.011" 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=251912

 

2015 April 22 Update 1.011 released IA only Junkers 52

"1. Ju 52 aircraft added. It can be met in QM, Campaign, and also can be used in User missions" 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/?do=findComment&comment=254393

 

2016 July 28 First anoucement of the flyable Tante Ju with screens 😍😍 

"By the way, we're working on new aircraft and features we'll tell you about a bit later. Here are a few WIP screenshots for now"  

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=373223

 

2016 August 9 Version 2.003

"And as you know, we are also considering our future steps with the IL-2 Sturmovik franchise. Much discussion within the team is taking place this week, the result of which we think will be welcomed by all of you. More information will be released in the coming weeks along with the opening of pre-orders for the flyable Ju-52 and Yak-1b. Two very cool planes that will further expand our plane-set on the Eastern Front." 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/?do=findComment&comment=375962

 

2016 August 19 More screens 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=378896

 

2016 September 2

"At this moment the Battle of Moscow project is finished and the Yak-1b and Ju-52 are in the works. Thanks to our community we have plenty of skins to choose nine (9) official ones from." https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=383394

 

2016 September 29: Screens, informations about Tante Ju

"In parallel to Battle of Kuban development, we continue our work on new Collector Planes - Yak-1b (series 127) and Ju-52 3mg4e. Their 3D models will be finished in the next few weeks and work on their physics models is already underway.

The Ju-52 controls are somewhat unusual, for example, its wheel brakes are engaged by pulling back the engine control levers while the flaps are operated using the same handle as the adjustable stabilizer. However, it is possible to unlink these controls and adjust the stabilizer without touching the flaps. Other unique features are a tail wheel brake, corrugated fuselage and wing plating, hanging rudders and flaps, fixed-pitch propellers and non-parallel thrust vectors of the wing engines. Its design represents the transitional period between the wars (1920-1930’s) where new designs and increasing technology led to experimentation with some odd results. The Ju-52 was an iconic plane from this period in aviation history and its usefulness kept it flying all throughout WWII"

 https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=395127

 

2016 October 20

"In addition, work on the 3D models of the Yak-1b Series 127 and Ju-52 3mg4e is finished and we are working on their physics models and the new mission types for the Ju-52" https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=401715

 

2016 October 27 Fallschirmjäger early Screen!

 https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-403772

 

2016 November 3

"we are most actively working now on the Ju-52 physics model. This aircraft is scheduled to be released in December." 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=405724

 

 

2016 December 8 ❤️

"We're also finishing the Ju-52 3mg4e as well. The special technologies required for it are being finalized. The air-dropped supply containers are ready. We're creating three additional mission types for the current Campaign mode that will be available to Ju-52 owners - special squad parachute drop behind enemy lines, cargo container air-drop and cargo delivery to an airfield. There is a popular question in the community about whether it would be possible to remove the defense turret from the plane or not? The answer is yes, it is possible to get a civilian Ju-52 by removing the turret modification.

 
Developing Ju-52 required us to improve the special mission object Translator Complex Trigger. It is now fully functional and opens up new possibilities for mission designers. It can track new events like cargo unloading at an airfield and squad or cargo air-drops. This allows for more interesting multiplayer missions.  For example, capture of an airfield may be scripted when enough paratroopers are dropped near it. Or a mission designer can unlock new loadouts for aircraft at an airfield after successful cargo delivery by Ju-52’s or activate AAA batteries or mechanized columns after successful cargo drops in their areas (like vital supplies were delivered). Because of these additions, old track recordings will stop working and to load user made missions you need to delete their binary files (*.msnbin) and re-save them in the new Mission Editor. If you used the Complex Trigger in your missions, you'll also need to replace all CheckEntities entries with CheckPlanes in the .mission file.
 
The Ju-52 3mg4e turned out to be an interesting plane. Its design represents the transitional period between the wars (1920-1930’s) where new designs and increasing technology led to experimentation with some odd results. For instance, the main landing gear wheel brakes are engaged by moving left or right engine throttles back behind low throttle limiters. So, to brake the left wheel you'll need to move the left engine throttle all the way back. Moving the central engine throttle all the way back will engage brakes for both wheels. The plane is also equipped with a tail wheel parking brake.
 
The second interesting feature of this aircraft is that the flaps are operated using the same handle as the adjustable stabilizer. However, it is possible to unlink these controls and adjust the stabilizer without touching the flaps. There is a stabilizer control flywheel in the pilot’s cabin that is always linked mechanically to the stabilizer and the additional flaps link handle that connects the flaps to the same flywheel. Therefore, pilot can either use this flywheel to control only the stabilizer or the stabilizer and the flaps simultaneously.
 
Before taking off, the pilot sets the stabilizer to flight position, engages the link and then moves the flaps to take-off position, simultaneously setting the stabilizer to take-off position as well. When airborne, pilot retracts the flaps, unlinks these controls and adjusts the stabilizer only, finding a balanced position to minimize the control column force. Before landing, the pilot engages the link again and sets both the flaps and the stabilizer to the landing position. It is important to note that it is possible to render the system inoperable by deviating from this order so it won't be able to control either the stabilizer or the flaps. For example, if pilot the pitches the stabilizer all the way up with flaps retracted and then engages the link, the flywheel will be blocked because the fully turned down stabilizer and fully retracted flaps won't allow it to turn either way.
 
The third interesting feature is an unusual manual oil temperature control that works differently than in later aircraft, where the pilot controls the oil radiator shutters hence adjusting the cooling effect of the rushing air. On the Ju-52, the airflow in the oil radiator can't be controlled. The oil temperature is controlled by turning a valve that regulates the ratio between oil going through the radiator and oil that goes through a bypass pipe. This is somewhat similar to water heat regulation designs in modern car engines, but the ratio on the Ju-52 is controlled manually, not automatically.
 
The fourth interesting feature is the cute, but archaic looking design of some of its instruments and controls. Some examples being the engine cowl shutters and oil valves that look like handles for water faucets and the mechanical fuel and oil float level gauges that also look out of place in “high-tech” WWII. " 
 
2016 December 14: Our Famous "HOLY CRAP" by Jason!
Holy crap! Dropping en masse is a site to behold! Absolutely beautiful. This is just fooling around in QMB. Can't wait to see what mission designers make with this new feature. RUN! DON'T WALK TO BUY THE JU-52! This turned out to be cooler than I thought it would. In motion its awesome. I just don't have time to make a video tonight, but check out these pics.
 
2016 December 20 Update 2.006
"Ju-52/3m g4e is released. This aircraft brings many new gameplay features. Three new mission types for the current campaign - paradrop, cargo paradrop and cargo delivery. They can be used in complex multiplayer missions as well." 
3. Ju-52/3m g4e transport aircraft added 
24. Ju 52 can fly transport missions: cargo delivery to an airfield, cargo containers drop and special squad paradrop 
 
2017 January 31 Update 2.007 
17. Ju 52 pilot can't be damaged by fire in wing engines; 
20. Ju 52 middle engine nacelle corrected (shortened);
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2018 March 14 Update 3.001

57.  'Unbreakable' difficulty option now works correctly for Bf-110, He-111, Ju-88, Ju-52, IL-2 and Pe-2

72.  MG 15 reload handle position on Ju 52 has been corrected;

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/?do=findComment&comment=584986

 

2018 August 7: Q&A on Reddit 

"Now that 3rd parties like the Yugra media started to work on the Po2 is there plans to include planes to released expansions if things go well?

If I understand the question correctly you want to know if we'll make more Collector Planes that can be used in existing products? Basically yes, assuming the Po-2 is popular, Yugra is scheduled to make the Li-2 which can be used on the Eastern Front maps and maybe morphed into a C-47 for western theaters in the future. After that, who knows!?" https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uXBkq7U2MmcEwvNLkB2MkKNLkcAMl0em5Arq4Zn68bA/edit

 

2018 November 11: DD (Note: the only mission type on Career mode is cargo delivery)

Of course, we never forget about the singleplayer experience too - in the same update, we'll add 2-3 new mission types for Career mode, including Cargo airdrop and Free hunt.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=690091

 

2018 November 20 : Update 3.007

5. New mission type for Career mode: Cargo paradrop for Ju-52/3mg4e;
6. New mission type for Career mode: Special squad paradrop for Ju-52/3mg4e;

25. Right Ju-52 engine animation fixed

100. Ju 52/3mg4e gauge dials made clearer

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/?do=findComment&comment=694176

 

 

2018 December 19 : Update 3.009

18. Visual propeller damage corrected on Ju-52 (previously damaging the right propeller would visually damage the left one);

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/?do=findComment&comment=709965

 

2019 January 4 Lunar Sale

52% OFF Ju 52/3m Collector Plane Delivering packages has never been so affordable!  (Ju 52/3m on Steam, website)

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/42962-lunar-new-year-sale-launched-feb-4th-to-feb-11th-2019/

 

2019 January 6 : Jason & Interview in Stormbirds Blog

Question The U-2VS was the first aircraft developed by a third-party developer. Are there plans to continue with that model in the future? Related question: Is the Li-2 (or C-47/DC-3) still planned?

Answer: Jason: “Yes, that is correct. The U-2VS was built by our friends at Yugra Media. They have a contract to build the Li-2 and maybe a C-47 if that works out, but we’re a long way from that at the moment. The U-2 was a very intensive process that took more of our own time than we had hoped. I’m still hopeful the Li-2 will happen as planned, but until I know for sure I can’t say more. Yugra is also making our Flying Circus planes and they are still learning how to make them efficiently and with high quality. Making planes from scratch or revising older ones up to our standards is a challenge even for an experienced team like Yugra. But they are making real strides.

https://stormbirds.blog/2019/02/06/part-1-an-interview-with-jason-williams-and-daniel-tuseev-il-2-great-battles-series/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

Junkers 52 "Tante Ju" Loadout

 

 

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How to drop paratrooper?

Go airborne and hit the "Bomb" Key (above 120m height, preferably at 160 km/h to "tight" your landing point)

How to drop Containers?

On the ground OR airborne, hit the "Bomb" Key (above 120m height, preferably at 160 km/h to "tight" your landing point)

How to unload Cargo?

Must be FULL STOP on the ground then "open/close the canopy" (right Alt&C) then hit the "Bomb" (B) key.

Remember to close your door or it will break on take off! :wacko:

Remember: do not land if enemies around, better fly low and slow to be hidden , and when you are on the ground, do not stay : take off ASAP because you are very visible from far distance

 

 

Will we get more loadout and/or a new Transport in the future?

 

 

Answer by Han

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A Li2 is in preparation , if the making of the Po2 is successful.

 

 

I want to fly with other transport pilots ! 

 

Here is the first Transport Squadron 👩🏽‍✈️👨🏻‍✈️ (created by 1./TG1_Don_Quijote)

Feel free to join!

https://discord.gg/9yt6mT9

The FIRST virtual transport squadron!

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For being coordinated, we use Discord app.For those who do not know it,it is a very handy app that can be used for
chat messenges as well as voice communications.And it can be installed on your PC and on smartphones:
https://discordapp.com/
The 216th squadron uses it and in ZG1 we also made much use of it,because it is unbeatable handy for making appointments for flights,planning stuff,share information and links,stay in contact with your squadmates
and so on.So if you want to give it a try,create an account and then follow this invitation link that leads to our new Transporter channel:

https://discord.gg/mYtxxw8

 

 

In which Multiplayer Server Junkers 52 "Tante Ju" is used so far?

 

Nice Videos

 

IL-2 BoX 3.003 MASSIVE Ju-52 Paratrooper Raid (Wings of Liberty) with radio com! Thanks @=SqSq=switch201 https://youtu.be/kpQ1PdJGoOU?t=14m

A night Mission, lovely commented by MagZ TV https://youtu.be/yiKDiN4A8Ac : we learn a lot of neat informations about the Junkers 52 like the fact that it was very good for night operation because of its low speed, noise and stealth. Please watch it in full screen!

A simple flight with some low level flying in external view By Boomerang47 https://youtu.be/6QYOZQInSec

Paratrooper dropping by Boomerang 47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os1OzHeimug

Refueling the Ju-52  by MonoSpripeZebra http://youtube.com/watch?v=OOK1Ac5Wd7c

2nd Air Stalingrad Comercial  by MonoSpripeZebra http://youtube.com/watch?v=StBQa6r-Xag behind the scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxST9gILxk4

6 Junkers 52 dropping Paras in Random Expert https://youtu.be/izcD6BQ_awc

 

 

Epic flights

 

Nice Screenshots

 

 

Papaflo Beautiful Landing in a Beautiful Sunset http://fs5.directupload.net/images/161223/3vns7gmx.jpg

 

Gambit21 From the upcoming campaign... Pelican 4 (player) taxiing to join the rest of the flighthttps://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_12_2016/post-23599-0-52450800-1482523908.jpg

 

Gambit21 Pelican flight and an early morning supply drop near the lines https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_12_2016/post-23599-0-16583400-1483069797.jpg

Yoyo https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/26840-junkers-52-dc3-fan-club/?p=425150

 

Gambit21 A peek out the window while taxiing, watching the rest of the flight form up behind. Just a cargo drop this morning - milk run. Hopefully. https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_12_2016/post-23599-0-21365300-1483140482.jpg

Gambit21 A crewman peers out of the doorway on the way to a 300 meter cargo drop https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_12_2016/post-23599-0-53394200-1483176850.jpg  https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_12_2016/post-23599-0-94052200-1483176907.jpg

 

Also see pages of this topic

 

 

History/ Real Life Stories and testimonials

 

Li2 Camo Evolution http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/li-2/li-2camo/li2-camo.htm

Tons of different loadouts in picture, By 1./TG1_Don_Quijote https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/26840-junkers-52-dc3-fan-club/?p=446925

His Grandfather flew with Tante Ju , by Adorante https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/26840-junkers-52-dc3-fan-club/?p=424837

Here an interesting story of german build Ju-52's operated by an Australian aviation company after the war: http://www.goodall.c...unkersju52.html (thank you McKvack!)

 

The Junkers 52 is slower , noisier, less confortable than the DC3 but has a more robust undercarriage and can takeoff/land more shorter, that is why after the war it was still used and produced in Spain as the CASA 352 and in France as the AAC. 1 Toucan. Called "Julie" by French Air Force. Used by French util 60s, used by Swiss Air Force until 1980

Outdated , but still used... because of its great qualities. Nothing was more dependable than a Junkers 52 or a DC3 variant during the war!

In all cases, it was beloved by its crew for the outstanding reliability , resistance and simplicity.

Proof is some are still flying today. One even managed to cross the Atlantic (Europe-New York). Even used to drop Paras on Specials Events.

Same can apply for the DC3 of course, still used today.

 

Documentaries about Junkers 52 

WWII - Luftwaffe Support Planes JU-52 https://youtu.be/lQzX5_7XpSI

Transports of WWII German Junkers Ju 52 Documentary https://youtu.be/V_x19vGqEfs

 

Documentaries about Dc3:

The DC-3 The Plane That Changed The World  https://youtu.be/HIQDVLOVWu8

Douglas DC3 Dakota, 1985 BBC documentary https://youtu.be/CZug7xcSRLc

Discovery - Great Planes Douglas C-47 Dakota https://youtu.be/WJZ8oTdeqOw

 

 

 

DC3 Family: somes differences between the C47 (United States), Li2 (Russian), L2D (Japanese)

 

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Thank you McKvack! you made a great topic too!  I wanted a "more general" topic, and I really wanted to make the testimonials visibles.

I really want more loadouts (like VIPs or Medivac) better score integration , I am sure that if Tante Ju is more implemented on MP server (like WOL) it will make a good publicity and more people would buy it. We have several months until the dev team will decide yes or no for a C47/Li2.

So far, I love flying it. 

And it is so fun to dodge fighters!

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Cool idea Nil!

Good tips and advises.

 

Let me contribute this shot:

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Maybe you could add a section for missions and campaigns for the Ju-52 when they are done (or in progress like gambit's campaign).

 

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Thank you for your contribution, Nice Screenshot! I added it.

Of course there al section of missions and campaign!

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In my Experience -17% are the Perfect "do all" Setting. They allow for 0% to 100% Flaps at lowest Speed.

 

And taking the risk of repeating myself, as an Icon the Po-2 is way more important than the Li-2/C-47 family. 

It is the Multi Purpose Transport / Improvised Bomber of the russians. 

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From the upcoming campaign...

Pelican 4 (player) taxiing to join the rest of the flight.

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In my Experience -17% are the Perfect "do all" Setting. They allow for 0% to 100% Flaps at lowest Speed.

 

And taking the risk of repeating myself, as an Icon the Po-2 is way more important than the Li-2/C-47 family. 

It is the Multi Purpose Transport / Improvised Bomber of the russians. 

 

Thing about a C-47 is that it can be used in the eastern front and the pacific. Gameplay wise what happens now is that most servers have Ju-52 for both sides. It has to at least be taken into account.

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Thing about a C-47 is that it can be used in the eastern front and the pacific. Gameplay wise what happens now is that most servers have Ju-52 for both sides. It has to at least be taken into account.

AND there was the Japanese version of the DC-3 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showa/Nakajima_L2D) - ca. 500 build! The DC-3 is a MUST and the Ju-52 crowd will pay 25 $ with pleasure to get it!

 

PS: and don't forget that nice Action-Dogfight-and-Tanks-server - here the Ju-52 advanced to a main instrument of strategy - "3. Added possibility to capture village by paratroopers from J-52" :salute:  - nice place to have fun and experiment.

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In my Experience -17% are the Perfect "do all" Setting. 

Thank you Klaus Mann, I will try that and eventually update my tutorial

And taking the risk of repeating myself, as an Icon the Po-2 is way more important than the Li-2/C-47 family. 

It is the Multi Purpose Transport / Improvised Bomber of the russians. 

Sure a Po2 is important (I love it!), but in my opinion, a c47 has to be made first as it serves for 3 nations, It will serve even after WW2 . Russian can not continue to use Tante Ju for ever!

 

From the upcoming campaign...

Pelican 4 (player) taxiing to join the rest of the flight.

Very nice Screen, Added!

 

Thing about a C-47 is that it can be used in the eastern front and the pacific. Gameplay wise what happens now is that most servers have Ju-52 for both sides. It has to at least be taken into account.

Yes, A C47 is awaited, as the successful Junkers 52 is serving for Russians! (Russian had some Tante Ju but they did not used them during the war because of friendly fire)

 

AND there was the Japanese version of the DC-3 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showa/Nakajima_L2D) - ca. 500 build! The DC-3 is a MUST and the Ju-52 crowd will pay 25 $ with pleasure to get it!

I would buy at last 3 of them! count on me as I bought already 3 Tante Ju! 

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I could imagine the C47 comming after release of Battle of Midway, I don't see that before there wil be the time to do it, as you saw how long the Ju52 lasted until it was released and here we had already an AI aircraft.

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Yes, you have a point about there already being a AI version. I have noticed that most of the new flying planes have an AI first. Did the P40?

Anyway the Ju52 isn't a disappointment. I like the skins they have made. It is a pity they don't have a stretcher loadout for the Ambulance version.

They also should have a static one setup to look like it is unloading with boxes and a couple of guys.  I think the only small disappointment I have with the sim is the lack of groundcrew on the airbases. Is there anymore other then the one by the tower?

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And taking the risk of repeating myself, as an Icon the Po-2 is way more important than the Li-2/C-47 family. 

You're absolutly right with the iconic status of the Po-2, but that plane flies in another category than the Ju-52. The proper counterpart of the Ju-52 is the Li-2. Combine the Po-2 with the Fieseler-Storch, that's a dream-couple and another 50 € I'd gladly pay!

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You're absolutly right with the iconic status of the Po-2, but that plane flies in another category than the Ju-52. The proper counterpart of the Ju-52 is the Li-2. Combine the Po-2 with the Fieseler-Storch, that's a dream-couple and another 50 € I'd gladly pay!

Yeah, well if we are going to get some more Pacific Stuff as well, Ki-76 and Piper L-4 would also be cool then. 

 

The C-47 would be a Li-2 Mod once Midway comes, the Japs had a domestic Lockheed Electra (Ki-56) and Ju-52. 

 

That's 8 Aircraft in total. 

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Thanks for this post, Nil. I too am looking forward to some gameplay with the Ju-52 on the servers. Can't wait to have massive flights dropping cargo for the much needed supplies at the front.

 

C-47 makes a lot of sense to have too, since it was a major work horse throughout the war, and it gives something for the other side to use. I'm sure the developers are going to be very busy in the coming year, but hopefully the C-47 fits along the line somewhere.

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Thanks Nil for this thread,

 

I too want to contibute, so this is my family's history with the Ju-52 explaining maybe a little why I chose to buy and want to fly it. It's a little short on actual detail on "Tante Ju" itself, but gives you a background to the value some people attach to the aircraft itself.

 

In 2003 my parents and I were visiting my uncle's family for a birthday anniversary. My grandfather, who was born in 1914 was living in their vicinity since his wife had died and he was with us.

 

I had with me a monography from Motorbuch Verlag publishers about the Heinkel factory and all of its products while they existed. During a dull moment I sat on the couch and continued to read where I stopped at home. My grandfather joined me, took a peek into the book and asked:

 

"Is that a Ju-52?" - No, it wasn't, I said. It was a civilian version of the He-111 (without the glasshouse canopy) designed as a fast-travel passenger airplane. But now my grandfather was on fire. That image of a wartime aircraft had seemed to stir up many memories. And he began to recount what connected him to the Ju-52.

 

This personal story of his wartime memories have been told numerous times by him to relatives before when I was a child and I heard pieces by accident but I was too young to comprehend them. This time it was the first time he told me his story and I was able to value it.

 

He began his steps into adulthood as a clerk at a merchant apprenticeship. Finding no job afterwards he enlisted in the Wehrmacht (then still in peacetime, the coming storm was only a nightmare of the future). After his years in the armed forces he found work and support like many others at the time at the Reichsarbeitsdienst (RAD). (Wikipedia: The RAD "was a major organisation established by Nazi Germany as an agency to help mitigate the effects of unemployment on German economy, militarise the workforce and indoctrinate it with Nazi ideology. It was the official state labour service, divided into separate sections for men and women. ") There he worked as a clerk for the Westwall fortification project along the border to Belgium and Netherlands [picture attached]. I can still see remains of it when I drive to visit my uncle's family.

 

Early in to the war my grandmother received mail with drafting papers for my grandfather. Ruthless as she was she sent them back with a note that read they could reach him under his fieldpost number, since he got one while stationed with the RAD away from home. This led the bureaucrats to believe that he was already conscripted, so they didn't bother for a while. It happened another time and again my grandmother sent the drafting orders back with a link to the field post number. Finally in 1941 this tactic was no longer enough and he had to re-enlist, this time as a Feldwebel due to his past service. And off it went to Russia. His direction was towards Leningrad.

 

Now at that time in 2003 I was playing the Maddox line of Il-2 Sturmovik since the first demo came out and was very fascinated by those russian airframe designs. And who could say no to the sleek lines of a MiG-3? But before Il-2 Sturmovik marked its milestone in flightsim development I hadn't touched any WWII theme earlier and was somewhat ignorant to all things technical to that era. Therefore I wanted to know more. So I asked my grandfather if he had seen any russian planes. With a half-grin-half-smile he answered: "Flugzeuge waren nicht das Problem."

They transported my grandfather back home with a Ju-52, and this experience made a lasting impression on him.

 

Recovered from his injuries he came back to the Wehrmacht but was deemed unfit to hold a weapon with his wrecked nerve in his right thumb. He became once again a clerk and desk jockey in logistics. He was for example also responsible for compiling promotion lists until someone pointed out to him that now it was time he put himself onto the list. Finally they offered him a choice, become an instructor for new recruits or return to the RAD. He happily chose to get out of the Wehrmacht.

 

After the war he was employed at the Deutsche Bundesbahn (state railway), again as logistics expert. After retirement he still continued to work as a courier for the local Savings & Loans, which our family attributes to contributing to his fitness till in his high age.

 

He was married for over 50 years, active in the german catholic workers movement (KAB), and lead the church choir for a very long time. He was a talented hobby painter despite his colour blindness and enjoyed playing chess. As a craftsman he buildt toys and dollhouses for his grandchildren.

 

My grandfather was very lucky to escape the war the way he did, with only a narrowly close brush with death, living after this a life fulfilled.

 

He died in 2005 from a hard to diagnose leukaemia. Some years later my uncle told me about the time when he died. Sitting next to my grandfather's dying bed in the hospital, he saw him cowering in the corner of the same room.

 

Merry Christmas to all!

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For the German side: no large scale para-drops at the eastern front, never heard of small operations.

There were some small operations - not by Luftwaffe Fallschirmjäger but by the Abwehr's Brandenburger commandos. For example the capture of an important bridge on June 25, 1941 in Belarus. Another example is Operation Schamil in the Caucasus.

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I gladly join the fan club... So far I´, liking it a lot. It´s a plane not without it´s quirks and difficulties.. but it has a lot of really well made sides and I can nothing but recomend getting it, especially if you like landing somewhere remote. So far, I think, it has the best off-field landing characteristics in BoS and it hits a lot of the real Ju-52 chracteristics quite well

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Do remember that the Li2, C-47, and L2D have differences that would require three completely different models.

 

Flight decks are different, engines/props/cowlings are different, cockpit windshields are different, and I suspect that interior cargo bay differences are pretty pronounced as well.

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Do remember that the Li2, C-47, and L2D have differences that would require three completely different models.

3 versions, given the standards by 777-studios those are 3 different models, maybe a bit less than 3 completely new twins. The fuselage and wings had more or less the same dimensions. I won't complain about one model, the Li-2, for transport-missions in all of the theatres of war. It's better than using a red painted Ju-52. Somewhere I read the argument, the Germans had a transport plane already - the He-111. The Li-2 would have been the better choice to develop first (don't get my wrong, I'm GLAD to have the Ju-52!). Hopefully they add some transport-load-outs for the He-111, too. The more options, the better!

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To be honest, you should have called it the slow and useless club.

 

Before you shoot me down and bury me let me explain.

  • I like all planes most look at as I wrote: The  fairy swordfish, PO 2 , HS 123, 126 , 129, JU 52 , IL 2, P 10

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Is it slow and ugly I probably think it is beautiful


Oh and the Devastator, IF we do not get it in midway pack , I probably rage quit and bin this game

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When I first tried out the Ju-52, I exceeded the rotating speed and the aircraft violently turned to the right while still on the ground. Is this correct? (Can't check now because of holidays with the family.)

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Thank you for all your contributions and your Support Guys!

Really you made my Christmas day!! 

 

Please hit the "Follow this Topic" right up corner Button  for those who did not ! (It helps me a lot!)

 

I could imagine the C47 comming after release of Battle of Midway, I don't see that before there wil be the time to do it, as you saw how long the Ju52 lasted until it was released and here we had already an AI aircraft.

Hum, I hope it will come just after BOK. Seems the best spot. No gunner stations to do for the c47 so it should compensate for the lack of external model.

 

Anyway the Ju52 isn't a disappointment. I like the skins they have made. It is a pity they don't have a stretcher loadout for the Ambulance version.

They also should have a static one setup to look like it is unloading with boxes and a couple of guys.  I think the only small disappointment I have with the sim is the lack of groundcrew on the airbases. Is there anymore other then the one by the tower?

A lot can be made to improve the Ju52, like Wheelpants. Ambulance loadout might be made if they release an another transport. Basically they wish to make tons of additional features like additionnal ground crew , but time and money is missing for that.

 

You're absolutly right with the iconic status of the Po-2, but that plane flies in another category than the Ju-52. The proper counterpart of the Ju-52 is the Li-2. Combine the Po-2 with the Fieseler-Storch, that's a dream-couple and another 50 € I'd gladly pay!

I would pay too for both of them! 

 

Thanks for this post, Nil. I too am looking forward to some gameplay with the Ju-52 on the servers. Can't wait to have massive flights dropping cargo for the much needed supplies at the front.

 

C-47 makes a lot of sense to have too, since it was a major work horse throughout the war, and it gives something for the other side to use. I'm sure the developers are going to be very busy in the coming year, but hopefully the C-47 fits along the line somewhere.

Cross the finger! C47 was used in the Russian front and it is more easy to make than a Li2 as there are no turrets. 

 

Thanks Nil for this thread,

I too want to contibute, so this is my family's history with the Ju-52 explaining maybe a little why I chose to buy and want to fly it. It's a little short on actual detail on "Tante Ju" itself, but gives you a background to the value some people attach to the aircraft itself.
 
Merry Christmas to all!

 

Thank you very much for that, may your grandfather rest in peace. That is why soldiers loved transport: much faster to travel! I added it in my post under the section "real stories"

I gladly join the fan club... So far I´, liking it a lot. It´s a plane not without it´s quirks and difficulties.. but it has a lot of really well made sides and I can nothing but recomend getting it, especially if you like landing somewhere remote. So far, I think, it has the best off-field landing characteristics in BoS and it hits a lot of the real Ju-52 chracteristics quite well

Short take off capability, Excellent reliability, easy to maintain, easy to produce, take off/landing at unprepared airfields, flying in the very cold weather,  are one the reason why the army used this plane although it was slow. 

 

Do remember that the Li2, C-47, and L2D have differences that would require three completely different models.

 

Flight decks are different, engines/props/cowlings are different, cockpit windshields are different, and I suspect that interior cargo bay differences are pretty pronounced as well.

Yes there are some differences. A C47 should do the trick for all nations .

Here are the differences in the cockpit

 

 

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 The Li-2 would have been the better choice to develop first (don't get my wrong, I'm GLAD to have the Ju-52!). Hopefully they add some transport-load-outs for the He-111, too. The more options, the better!

 

The Li2 is not as iconic and special than Tante Ju. Look at the Li2 Pool VS the Tante Ju pool on the forum. They listen the community, that is why they choose a Tante Ju. Lets hope that the community will be even more motivated for a c47 or Li2

To be honest, you should have called it the slow and useless club.

Slow, maybe but a transport does not need to be fast as it is not a combat plane. Much more cheaper to produce than a fast plane.

"Useless"?? I guess it is Irony :lol: . If not , and for whose who think that: Are you kidding me? so you are saying that transport are useless? so why around 80000 transport plane are flying everyday? because they are useless? haha you are funny! Transport are the most used and the most useful types of planes ever created of course in peace or war time!

"Li-2 was quite active at Stalingrad, performing a number of (night) bombing raids and delivering 800 tons of supplies 1500 people and evacuating 5000 wounded, it was also used to supply fuel to the tanks during the counteroffensive advance " DakPilot https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/25668-nobody-likes-lisunov-li-2-transport/?p=419852

 

A Junkers takes you everywhere. Really. It does.

Thank you contribution added (as well as other of your videos!) ;)

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When I first tried out the Ju-52, I exceeded the rotating speed and the aircraft violently turned to the right while still on the ground. Is this correct? (Can't check now because of holidays with the family.)

Did quite a few take-off's with the Auntie Ju, haven't noticed such a remarkably strong effect. But compared to the later models like He-111 it's a fine example for the great progress plane design made in the 30s. With the Ju-52 you have to fiddle around with the trim constantly - add 2 % power: trim - change from 200 to 800 m height: trim - speed change from 220 to 240: trim. She's slow, but one constantly has to work with that plane.

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You are so right Retnek, I find the He111 and Ju88 easier to handle , even on the ground! 

with Tante Ju you have to trim , trim and trim. Need constant attention, however, later they added an automatic pilot.

That is also why I love to fly it: because she is not automatic. you have to handle her constantly.

 

I do not like to use the stabilisator when flying her... I like "manuel" handling. Makes me a better real life pilot I am sure.

EDIT: by stabilistor I meant not trim but "AI autopilot for level flight"

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Using trim has nothing to do with being a worse pilot. Trim exists to change the center position of the stick thus reducing the stick forces implied to the pilot to keep it at a certain position. On large aircraft like the Ju52 those would certainly be big enough to make you feel exhausted after well less than a hour of flight time.

 

Even in leight weight gliders trim is very important to improve flight stability and prevent exhaustion.

 

Back on topic, the Ju52 is certainly not a lamboghini in both it's looks nor it's performence (to me it's rought appearance is lovely) but it's a great aircraft and a fun to mess around with because you can get so much more out of it knowing it's quircks than just a flying tractor. It's handling is unique in a way it imposes new challenges to a pilot while it also has a lot of usefull feautures. Just practising short landings on fields, roads, in forests and on hillsides is great fun on its own.

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5tuka, I meant "AI autopilot for level flight" sorry for the confusion.

For me, the rough apparence is lovely too. Her cockpit is also kind of unique with her wheels covered with wood, her handles.

I love her new challenges and her useful features.

In multiplayer it is so nice to drop paratrooper!

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Guys this thread is literally killing me, being away from my sticks for the holidays... Merry Christmas all! Looking forward to flying Tante Ju again in a few long days...

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I will join the club

 

 

Sorry, you can´t, you have not shown appropriate enthusiastic appreciation for the JU 52. 

Kidding ( in this site everything is taken seriously so sorry I just had my bit of fun

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I always liked the DC-2 more than the DC-3. Cleaner Lines, faster while less powerful and less bloated. Also the best Prepar3D/FSX Payware Aircraft I ever owned. 

 

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Sorry, you can´t, you have not shown appropriate enthusiastic appreciation for the JU 52. Kidding ( in this site everything is taken seriously so sorry I just had my bit of fun

Cant you see my smile? LOL

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