Friday Night Bomber Flight Topic

[[DBS]Tx_Tip 763]

Friday Night Bomber Flights September 14th @ 19:00 UTC: Pounder!"

Mission Time: 09:48-12:30
Conditions: 21*c... Cloudy. Winds from the SE.
Situation:
17th Army attempts to consolidate lines as 5th Guards applies pressure along the front.
 
***Please note Time Change to 19:00 UTC. 

**Patrol areas will be shown on Map. Additional targeting if needed to be sent via PM following Player Recon. Full FNBF ROE will apply.
*UK_1 Server Settings for Friday Night Bomber Flights will be Full CEM, No Icon, No Navigational aides.

*TS will be the Official BoS server (108.61.114.3:9407) password bos2014; in one of the MP Channels.
*Note IP Change to BoS TS.
=Backup TS Address will be: ts3.riseofflight.net:7777 - Password: 1917

 

Planeset:
Axis
 He-111H-16 (3)

 1) Netscape
 2) WWGriphos
 3)

 

 Bf110G-2 (3)

 1) 6./ZG26_Asgar
 2) 6./ZG26_Memphis
 3) 6./ZG26_Kuppis

 

 Fw190A-8 (4)

 1) SCG_Fenris_Wolf

 1) SCG_Vonalba

 1) SCG_CorZero

 1) SCG_Drifter

 

 BF-109G-14 (6)

 1) SGC_Riksen
 2) SGC_Von Jarno
 3) SGC_Marine
 4) SGC_Sinerox
 5) SGC_Miller
 6) SGC_ZKXChris

 

 BF-109G-6 (4)

 1) II/JG11ATLAN
 2) II/JG11PUMA
 3) II/JG11Terzerole
 4)

 

 Ju-52 (2)

 1) Nil
 2) Lusekofte

*Reserve

 

VVS

 IL2-42/43 (5)

 1) 216th_Silent Eskimo
 2) 216th_Cat
 3) 216th_Cathaoir 
 4) 216th_Nocke
 5) 216th_Retnek

 

 Pe-2 s.87/A-20B (7)

 1) [DBS]
 2) [DBS]
 3) [DBS]
 4) [DBS]
 5) [DBS]
 6) Bladebender
 7) 13Nrv

*Reserve

 

 Spitfire MkIXe/MkVb (4)

 1) 216th_Lucas
 2) 1.JaVA_KEBEN
 3) 1.JaVA_Jumper
 4) Jizzo

*Reserve

 

 Yak1-B (6)

 1) NN_Razor
 2) NN_Lambert
 3) 
 4)

 5) 307_Tomcat

 6) 307_Banzai

 

*Planeset may be subject to slight revision as I create the mission. Kv-1 and Tiger I sorties dependent upon mission flow will be included.
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Tip

Edited September 14, 2018 by [DBS]Tx_Tip

[NN_Razor 102]

I'm very confuse but for differents reasons, there're will be just NN_Lambert and NN_Razor who will be able to defend our colors next friday. So two yak are free. 

[[DBS]Tx_Tip 763]

1 hour ago, NETSCAPE said:

Put me down for a He 111.

In with a Heinkel and welcome to FNBF Netscape.

Briefing Packs to go out tomorrow. RoE included.

Look forward to flying with you,

Tip

 

35 minutes ago, NN_Razor said:

I'm very confuse but for differents reasons, there're will be just NN_Lambert and NN_Razor who will be able to defend our colors next friday. So two yak are free. 

Thanks for the heads up...

Okay that'll leave a Yak1-B open.

Leon I've penciled you in to a Yak. You can transition over to Spit if you'd like as noted within the RoE.

 

===================================

 

2 He-111s, one 109G-6 and a Yak1-B remain.

See ya's,

Tip

[[DBS]Tx_Tip 763]

Mission "Pounder!" targeting sent out via PM to those who have signed up on this Forum.
Forward to those you have signed up.

 

If you signed up and didn't get Give a Holl'er.  Nil your Brief is over at BF Forum.
See ya's,
Tip

[SilentMisfit 273]

Hi Tip,there is some confusuion about the meaning of the new rule:

"14) Captured. New*** A 4 strikes and your either delegated to the Tank Corps if applicable or a Gunners Position is now in effect.
   Players who are shot down, bailout, crash etc. and are captured including within the mulligan period will have 1 strike applied."

Does that mean after being captured 3 times,including the mulligan,you are not allowed to take off again?

Edited September 13, 2018 by 216th_SilentEskimo

[[N.O.G.F]Leon_Portier 171]

Just got notice, that I have to free the Yak1-b. See you next time!

[[DBS]Tx_Tip 763]

3 hours ago, 216th_SilentEskimo said:

Hi Tip,there is some confusuion about the meaning of the new rule:

"14) Captured. New*** A 4 strikes and your either delegated to the Tank Corps if applicable or a Gunners Position is now in effect.
   Players who are shot down, bailout, crash etc. and are captured including within the mulligan period will have 1 strike applied."

Does that mean after being captured 3 times,including the mulligan,you are not allowed to take off again?

The captured strikes accrue from the beginning of the mission. After you are captured for the 4th time you have an option of spawning in as a T-34/Kv-1 if available or becoming a gunner. Basically the same as if you'd died after the mulligan had expired.

 

1 hour ago, Leon_Portier said:

Just got notice, that I have to free the Yak1-b. See you next time!

Copy that Leon. Thanks for the heads up.

=====================================

 

Okay Yak drivers 2 slots open.

[SilentMisfit 273]

@[DBS]Tx_Tip Thanks,now it is clear!

[kestrel79 138]

How long will this mission take? I'm off of work tomorrow and might be able to swing it before my band plays. Haven't flown online in ages might be fun to take up a bomber.

[[DBS]Tx_Tip 763]

2 hours ago, kestrel79 said:

How long will this mission take? I'm off of work tomorrow and might be able to swing it before my band plays. Haven't flown online in ages might be fun to take up a bomber.

It is fun Kestrel.

 

Missions run for 2 hours and 42 minutes and we generally get started as advertised at or shortly after 19:00 UTC.

Heinkel drivers are needed. I can send you an Axis Briefing Pack if your interested.

Tip

[kestrel79 138]

Thanks for the info! It will have to be another time gotta be on the road by then sorry!

[WWGriphos 43]

I’m going to be able to make it. Stick me in a Heineken with Netscape. But don’t expect us not to perhaps get lost!  And it’s been a while since I’ve flown the beast. 

[NN_Razor 102]

Griphos,

tell me from where u'll take off, and where u want to go, 'ill try to help u. 😃

[WWGriphos 43]

Thanks, Razor.  The other Heinkel pilot didn't show, so I wound up flying the Junkers (and getting killed while loading wounded soldiers....is there no respect for the red cross anymore?!?! 🙂).

 

Great fun!  Thanks again Tip for these wonderful missions.  

[NN_Razor 102]

That's will be for next time. I've been shot down by 5 hungry G14...Nothing to do..

 

[JG4_Retnek 289]

SOOO nice! Thx!

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell 1735]

Jizzo and I were about to do our best Maverick and Goose impression with a show-off fly-by in Indian territory but five spoilsports decided to interrupt our art so we had to shoot three of them down. 

[Riksen 1012]

You guys definately caught us off guard ... we were still taking off and forming up. Not a nice surprise lol

 

[Asgar 1241]

We had a great night with some mixed results during our sorties, but this was definitely the most exciting one. Thanks for the great evenin lads o7
 

Spoiler

 

bonus tank clip
 

 

Edited September 15, 2018 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

[Jizzo 137]

8 hours ago, 216th_Lucas_From_Hell said:

Jizzo and I were about to do our best Maverick and Goose impression with a show-off fly-by in Indian territory but five spoilsports decided to interrupt our art so we had to shoot three of them down. 

I really should have flown inverted right above your cockpit showing the thumbs up, after we decided to do that stuff, to get the immersionfactor up to perfectionist levels! 

Edited September 15, 2018 by Jizzo

[II/JG11ATLAN 311]

nice Event as usual, shot down some IL-2´s 🤩,see some pics from our perpective yesterday

II/JG11 says Thank you to all, especially Tip😀

 

Edited September 15, 2018 by II/JG11ATLAN

[Red_Cat 563]

Just our luck - flying unescorted beneath 4x bomb-carrying 190s and their 5x 109 escorts! There was a mix-up with our escort assignments, apparently .

Atlan, you don't appear to have our skins - I noticed it in last mission's pics as well.

Cheers.

 

Edit: the dropbox link is dead. I'll see what I can do.

Edited September 15, 2018 by 216th_Cat

[II/JG11ATLAN 311]

2 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

Just our luck - flying unescorted beneath 4x bomb-carrying 190s and their 5x 109 escorts! There was a mix-up with our escort assignments, apparently .

Atlan, you don't appear to have our skins - I noticed it in last mission's pics as well.

Cheers.

IN DEED !

ok will download your Skins now!

[Riksen 1012]

Yes, thay was us and then we saw yoi guys jumping in the middle when we engaged the il2s but from what I remember the il2s shot u down and not the other way around ... Am I crazy? Did you get all of them?

[II/JG11ATLAN 311]

7 minutes ago, SCG_Riksen said:

Yes, thay was us and then we saw yoi guys jumping in the middle when we engaged the il2s but from what I remember the il2s shot u down and not the other way around ... Am I crazy? Did you get all of them?

Terzerole shot down 2x il2s and was also hit and bailed out

me shot down 1x il2 and landed safely

Edited September 15, 2018 by II/JG11ATLAN

[Riksen 1012]

Nice. Good ... when we saw you guys in there we aborted the attack and maintained escort for the 190s.

[II/JG11ATLAN 311]

thx

 

[SCG_vonJarno 10]

It was a blast to fly in eastern front after few months break. Big hand to Tip for arranging these events!

Btw, where I can find a link to download 216th and II/JG11 skins? ..and of course rest of the squads also.

[II/JG11ATLAN 311]

skins

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/19154-fnbfs-vvs-paint-shopincludes-some-luftwaffe-skins/

[JG4_Retnek 289]

1 hour ago, II/JG11ATLAN said:

Terzerole shot down 2x il2s and was also hit and bailed out

me shot down 1x il2 and landed safely

Nasty surprise for us IL-2, this mix-up with blue fighter-bombers ruined the first flight. Poor motherland needs more fighters! Those 109s were surprisingly effective, impressive shooting or some 30 mm boosters?

[II/JG11ATLAN 311]

24 minutes ago, 216th_Retnek said:

Nasty surprise for us IL-2, this mix-up with blue fighter-bombers ruined the first flight. Poor motherland needs more fighters! Those 109s were surprisingly effective, impressive shooting or some 30 mm boosters?

we both have MK108 30MM

Edited September 15, 2018 by II/JG11ATLAN

[JG4_Retnek 289]

4 minutes ago, II/JG11ATLAN said:

we both have MK108 30MM

I see, thx. This is a relief somewhat, that's why our sturdy IL-2 gave up that soon.

[ACG_ItsDrifter 414]

I was wondering who was escorting my flight of 190s other than the other 109s from SCG, good kills there!

[LuseKofte 1731]

The 109, 110 and 190 got considerable fighter capabilities also and make the balance tricky . just the way it is, I gave my JU 52 to griphos so i did not fly myself

Edited September 15, 2018 by LuseKofte

[Red_Cat 563]

The poor old Il-2s don't stand a chance against the 30mm. Whereas we used to be able take masses of damage and keep going now one or two hits take the wings or tail straight off. A very effective weapon indeed. How did the VVS fight against it? Or do we create an artificial situation in BoX in that too many fighters are down low, having no high altitude targets to go for? I realise that combat on the Eastern front was primarily at lower altitudes than in the West and we have combats that don't really reflect reality because of the game's limitations, but I wonder.

 

Edit: just came across this - interesting. https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/11/06/il-2-combat-operations-during-1943-1944/

 

However, the successes of attack aircraft combat operations were accomplished with great losses. The Luftwaffe Command claimed that the Russians lost 6,900 Il-2s in 1943 and 7,300 in the following year. Although these figures exaggerated the losses by a factor of 2 to 2.2, they were substantial nonetheless. In 1943 one loss corresponded to 26 Il-2 sorties, and to even fewer in certain operations. Approximately half of those lost were shot down by enemy fighters, the other half falling to anti-aircraft fire of ground-based guns. Assessing the main reasons for such great losses, the Air Force Commander, A Novikov, considered that poor training of the crews and units was not to blame, but attributed them to flawed tactical procedures in attack aircraft operation. On almost all fronts the pilots adopted a peculiar scheme of approaching the target at 3,300 to 4,900ft (1,000 to 1,500m) altitude without considering its nature, then gliding down and recovering after the attack with a turn, to port. The enemy therefore knew the ‘attackers’ manoeuvres beforehand, and prepared all of his anti-aircraft defences, taking full advantage of relief features, forest, bushes etc, before their appearance over the battlefield.

The German Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf Fw 190 attacked successfully when the Il-2 gunners were inattentive and the formations were broken up. A damaged and lagging Il-2 often became the victim of fighters. However, attack aircraft pilots could sometimes use skilful defensive tactics, and gunners mastered aggressive fire techniques.

 

A loss rate of 1 in 26 sorties would do me! At a rate of 3 to 4 sorties per FNBF then you Luftwaffe fighter guys would need to leave us alone for at least two months!

Edited September 15, 2018 by 216th_Cat

[LuseKofte 1731]

To be historical in Kuban, resources got to be simulated

[[DBS]Tx_Tip 763]

1 hour ago, 216th_Cat said:

The poor old Il-2s don't stand a chance against the 30mm. Whereas we used to be able take masses of damage and keep going now one or two hits take the wings or tail straight off. A very effective weapon indeed. How did the VVS fight against it? Or do we create an artificial situation in BoX in that too many fighters are down low, having no high altitude targets to go for? I realise that combat on the Eastern front was primarily at lower altitudes than in the West and we have combats that don't really reflect reality because of the game's limitations, but I wonder.

 

Edit: just came across this - interesting. https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/11/06/il-2-combat-operations-during-1943-1944/

 

However, the successes of attack aircraft combat operations were accomplished with great losses. The Luftwaffe Command claimed that the Russians lost 6,900 Il-2s in 1943 and 7,300 in the following year. Although these figures exaggerated the losses by a factor of 2 to 2.2, they were substantial nonetheless. In 1943 one loss corresponded to 26 Il-2 sorties, and to even fewer in certain operations. Approximately half of those lost were shot down by enemy fighters, the other half falling to anti-aircraft fire of ground-based guns. Assessing the main reasons for such great losses, the Air Force Commander, A Novikov, considered that poor training of the crews and units was not to blame, but attributed them to flawed tactical procedures in attack aircraft operation. On almost all fronts the pilots adopted a peculiar scheme of approaching the target at 3,300 to 4,900ft (1,000 to 1,500m) altitude without considering its nature, then gliding down and recovering after the attack with a turn, to port. The enemy therefore knew the ‘attackers’ manoeuvres beforehand, and prepared all of his anti-aircraft defences, taking full advantage of relief features, forest, bushes etc, before their appearance over the battlefield.

The German Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf Fw 190 attacked successfully when the Il-2 gunners were inattentive and the formations were broken up. A damaged and lagging Il-2 often became the victim of fighters. However, attack aircraft pilots could sometimes use skilful defensive tactics, and gunners mastered aggressive fire techniques.

 

A loss rate of 1 in 26 sorties would do me! At a rate of 3 to 4 sorties per FNBF then you Luftwaffe fighter guys would need to leave us alone for at least two months!

 

22 of those were vodka runs though...

[SilentMisfit 273]

"POUNDER" through the eyes of the Sturmoviks:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgKS5moe9C8

Edited September 15, 2018 by 216th_SilentEskimo

[[DBS]Tx_Tip 763]

Friday Night Bomber Flights Mission September 14th: "Pounder!" AAR

 

 

Axis:

 

Destroyed 2 Factory Sections. 6 Factory Warehouses. 1 Fuel Bunker. 2 Ammo Bunkers. Ust' Labinskaya.
Destroyed 4 Warehouses. 1 Fuel Bunker. 2 Ammo Bunkers. 2 Barracks. 3 Control Towers. Guriyskaya.
Destroyed 1 Kv_1 Armored Column. Saratovskaya.
Destroyed 6 T-34/76. 6 Air/Action.
Engaged and Destroyed 3 T-34/76. 3 Tank/Action.
Destroyed 4 Kv_1-42 Anti-Tank/Action.
Engaged and Destroyed 5 Kv-1. 5 Tank/Action.
Destroyed 2 T-70. 2 Air/Action.
Shot Down 6 IL2-43. 4 Air/Action. 2 Flak.
Shot Down 6 Yak1-B. 6 Air/Action.
Shot Down 6 A-20B. 6 Air/Action.
Shot Down 3 Spitfire MkIXe. 3 Air/Action.
Shot Down 2 Pe-2 s.87. 1 Air/Action. 1 Flak.
12 Flak/Vehicles. Guriyskaya. Ust' Labinskaya.

 

Ju-52 Operations:
17th Army Lines Ryazanskaya Supplied via Field Cargo Deliveries.
Wounded Transferred Korenovskaya Field Hospital to 17th Army Hospital Krasnodar

 

Losses:

Dinkskaya Fuel and Ammo Depot Destroyed.
Ryazanskaya 17th Army Lines Falling back with Heavy Losses.
Saratovskaya Anti-Tank Line Destroyed.
9 Fuel Bunkers. 4 Ammo Bunkers. 2 vl_Factories. 1 Supply Hanger. 2 Dugout Complexes. Dinkskaya.
4 Dugout Complexes. 4 Ammo Bunkers. 2 Fuel Bunkers. 1 Control Tower. Ryazanskaya.
1 Bridge. 2 Ammo Bunkers. 2 Barracks. 2 Control Towers. 1 Supply Hanger. Saratovskaya.
4 PzMkIV-G Destroyed. 1 Air/Action. 3 Anti-Tank/Action.
3 Pak-40 Destroyed. 2 Air/Action. 1 Anti-Tank/Action.
2 88mm Anti-Tank Guns Destroyed. 2 Anti-Tank/Action.
1 Tiger MkVI Engaged and Destroyed. 1 Tank/Action.
5 Bf109G-14 lost. 5 Air/Action.
1 Fw190A-8 lost. 1 Flak.
5 Bf110G-2 lost. 5 Air/Action.
5 Bf109G-6 lost. 1 Air/Action.
3 Ju-52 lost. 3 Air/Action.
25 Flak/Vehicles. Dinskaya. Saratovskaya. Ryazanskaya. Vasurinskaya.
5 Pilots/Gunners.
1 MIA/Captured
 
VVS:

 

Destroyed Dinkskaya Fuel and Ammo Depot.
Ryazanskaya 17th Army Lines Falling back with Heavy Losses.
Destroyed Saratovskaya Anti-Tank Line.
Destroyed 9 Fuel Bunkers. 4 Ammo Bunkers. 2 vl_Factories. 1 Supply Hanger. 2 Dugout Complexes. Dinkskaya.
Destroyed 4 Dugout Complexes. 4 Ammo Bunkers. 2 Fuel Bunkers. 1 Control Tower. Ryazanskaya.
Destroyed 1 Bridge. 2 Ammo Bunkers. 2 Barracks. 2 Control Towers. 1 Supply Hanger. Saratovskaya.
Destroyed 4 PzMkIV-G. 1 Air/Action. 3 Anti-Tank/Action.
Destroyed 3 Pak-40. 2 Air/Action. 1 Anti-Tank/Action.
Destroyed 2 88mm Anti-Tank Guns. 2 Anti-Tank/Action.
Engaged and Destroyed 1 Tiger MkVI. 1 Tank/Action.
Shot Down 5 Bf109G-14. 5 Air/Action.
Shot Down 1 Fw190A-8. 1 Flak.
Shot Down 5 Bf110G-2. 5 Air/Action.
Shot Down 5 Bf109G-6. 1 Air/Action.
Shot Down 3 Ju-52. 3 Air/Action.
25 Flak/Vehicles. Dinskaya. Saratovskaya. Ryazanskaya. Vasurinskaya.

 

Losses:
2 Factory Sections. 6 Factory Warehouses. 1 Fuel Bunker. 2 Ammo Bunkers. Ust' Labinskaya.
4 Warehouses. 1 Fuel Bunker. 2 Ammo Bunkers. 2 Barracks. 3 Control Towers. Guriyskaya.
1 Kv_1 Armored Column. Saratovskaya.
6 T-34/76 Destroyed. 6 Air/Action.
3 T-34/76 Engaged and Destroyed. 3 Tank/Action.
4 Kv_1-42 Destroyed Anti-Tank/Action.
5 Kv-1 Engaged and Destroyed. 5 Tank/Action.
2 T-70 Destroyed. 2 Air/Action.
6 IL2-43 lost. 4 Air/Action. 2 Flak.
6 Yak1-B lost. 6 Air/Action.
6 A-20B lost. 6 Air/Action.
3 Spitfire MkIXe lost. 3 Air/Action.
2 Pe-2 s.87 lost. 1 Air/Action. 1 Flak.
12 Flak/Vehicles. Guriyskaya. Ust' Labinskaya.
13 Pilots/Gunners.
8 MIA/Captured

 

Pilot Stats*
Thanks Marta!

 

Great Time and Well Flown All.
Participation makes it Happen.

We'll look into a new mission after the next update.
Tip

Edited September 16, 2018 by [DBS]Tx_Tip

[Asgar 1241]

so many Russian tanks lost in ground action... i wonder what happened there 😄