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Il-2 Sturmovik : Battle of Burma - an idea for a future expansion

  

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  1. 1. Do you find presented idea interesting and would you like it to be future expansion ?

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IL-2 when it was released in 2001 had some of the best graphics of its time.

Back in 2000 Tomb Raider also had life-like Graphics.

 

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Back in 2000 Tomb Raider also had life-like Graphics.

 

 

 

0/10 troll harder

 

Best looking game of 2001 was Halo: Combat Evolved

 

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IL-2 when it was released in 2001 had some of the best graphics of its time.

 

 

Oleg was declared a genius by me in 2001. No ones cheap shot can take that away from him. It is just too silly 

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So the topic starts with an image with balloons over Burma and next page I see an image showing the balloons of Lara Croft. :blink::huh:

 

Anyway, 'good ole'  IL2 does have a nicely modded Burma map.

And it does have elephants too. :P

 

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Oleg was declared a genius by me in 2001. No ones cheap shot can take that away from him. It is just too silly 

Ok, I won't any more, but doesn'T take away from the fact that the flight models were very simple back then, nothing compared to now. The Stalls were heavily scripted, everything was on rails, the damage models were simple, good but simple, no negative turn/yaw moment for aileron inputs, no prop stall, no ground physics etc. Everything basically went on rails over flat, single colour maps. 

 

The new Il-2 needs to base itself on existing stuff, because Flight, Visual and Damage Models are so much more complex now for everything.

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But think of the interface the possibilities old IL 2 had. Easy FMB and so much more. I agree BOS is superior in graphics and many other things. But old IL 2 still got the edge on maps and objects. Only thing it cannot be comparable is trees in that regard. Hitting a tree in BOS is a adventure by it self Once I bendt the tree and got a bit slingshot by it. Amazing. 

In 2001 what Oleg did was unheard of, he stepped up the CFS genre in such a degree that no one could follow him for about 8 years. 

If you could made a DX 11- 12 game engine on top of the old IL 2 you might see a CFS game costing over 1000 $ today

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But think of the interface the possibilities old IL 2 had. Easy FMB and so much more. I agree BOS is superior in graphics and many other things. But old IL 2 still got the edge on maps and objects. Only thing it cannot be comparable is trees in that regard. Hitting a tree in BOS is a adventure by it self Once I bendt the tree and got a bit slingshot by it. Amazing. 

In 2001 what Oleg did was unheard of, he stepped up the CFS genre in such a degree that no one could follow him for about 8 years. 

If you could made a DX 11- 12 game engine on top of the old IL 2 you might see a CFS game costing over 1000 $ today

 

Don't get me wrong. I love the old Il2, but it took a couple of years before it really matured. Only after the FB expansion the campaign mode got interesting and the engine modelling became more realistic. We have to wait and see what the next five year's of next gen Il2 are going to bring us. It will be less then before, but probably more detailed.

 

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Wow I haven't posted on here for yonks, since I received an unfair warning from some geezer, think it might have been Donald Trump or something? Anyway it was because I stood up rather (over) vehemently FOR il-2 BOS against some troll and ahem, got into a bit of a weeny dogfight... and I always thought hmmn I won't bother next time with that lot if that's the way they reward you for supporting them...

Anyway's I was surfing the tube when I came across this idea on Bismark's channel and I thought yes that's my area of expertise (I used to write regular articles for Air Enthusiast Magazine) and if I don't get involved the whole shebang will just get hijacked by the good old yanks and we'll end up with no proper RAF/SEAC input - so here I am! 

Yes I have got BOS and BOM by the way. 

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One thing I'd like to say straight off the bat is that A6M's (the famed type zero fighter) saw very little usage over Burma which was really the theatre for the IJAAF not the Navy; land mass campaigns during WWII usually involved the Army whilst island or heavy ocean populated areas usually came under the control of the Navy, however there were exceptions.

The only time that A6M's saw combat in this theatre was in a limited offensive against India, in which Naval units were specially flown in before flying a few missions escorting G4M "Betty" bombers before leaving soon after. Ironically I believe they were A6M3's not 2's or 5's !

Also although Ki-84 Hayate's (Franks) do occasionally get listed as spending short periods in Burma in publications, there is very little evidence of them being operational. More suitable would be the Ki-44 Shoki "Tojo" which did serve alongside the main Japanese fighter; the Ki-43 in all variants, including the Ki-43-III. The Ki-45 Toryu "Nick" was also fairly often encountered - it would be perfect to have the Beaufighter opposite this on the allied side.

The Vengeance and Ki-51 are perfect matches, as are the Hurricane IIb/c and of course the Spitfire VIII especially over the Imphal region in 1944 - the last Japanese offensive of WWII, that arguably saw the most intense air battles with the war against Japan.

The B-25/Mitchell, eikther the Ki-48-II or Ki-21-IIb would be a good choice and another would be the Ki-49. A perfect US fighter that was used by both the US and the RAF SEAC was the P-47/Thunderbolt, at the ground attack role it excelled. 

Just a few ideas about the "forgotten airforces" in Burma. Where Burma is really good is that it was the only place in the Japan war where combat continued unbroken (aside from monsoon season) for the entire war period, whereas in the Pacific many battles only lasted a day or two. Hence it would be worth the devs developing the scenery as many expansions could follow.

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Personally, I've been wanting to see the MTO as an IL-2 expansion for so long (15 years now?) that I can't really get enthused about this Burma idea unless it's done after the MTO (even though the Burma thing does sound like it would be interesting and the OP's write-up was pretty persuasive).

 

However, it would almost be worth it to me to have the devs go in this direction, if only there was some way for me to see the expressions on the faces of all the ETO fanatics, who I'm sure would buy into the pre-order frenzy, when they finally realized that IL2-BoB didn't feature the English Channel   :biggrin:

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But think of the interface the possibilities old IL 2 had. Easy FMB and so much more. I agree BOS is superior in graphics and many other things. But old IL 2 still got the edge on maps and objects. Only thing it cannot be comparable is trees in that regard. Hitting a tree in BOS is a adventure by it self Once I bendt the tree and got a bit slingshot by it. Amazing. 

In 2001 what Oleg did was unheard of, he stepped up the CFS genre in such a degree that no one could follow him for about 8 years. 

If you could made a DX 11- 12 game engine on top of the old IL 2 you might see a CFS game costing over 1000 $ today

 

I disagree with all of that aside from the FMB, but the FMB was designed to be simple, and therefore it could only do simple things. I know someone will say, but I could do this and this, but the features requested to do more were incorporated into more complex FMBs and then that resulted in "it's too complex!"

 

There were many, many, issues with the old Il-2. It wasn't until 4.0 that the FM was even decent, and it still had zero ground handling - and you could drop throttle on a P-38 in the vertical, wait till it dropped sub 100mph, slam throttle full and pull back at the same time on the stick and experience something very... odd. It also wasn't until that version that jets no longer had torque. All planes also had a single fuel tank that was modeled in that fashion, basically just extra weight to the plane. It wasn't split through various tanks, there were no individual tanks to drain so if the right wing tank was hit - it was just draining from an overall weight factor that was the center of the plane.

 

Sure, it was the best standalone WWII air combat game of that time and visually the damage model graphically was more advanced (but the damage model itself wasn't as advanced as other MMP WWII air combat games) - but it wasn't the best in terms of FM.

 

Just saying, it is held so high of a pedestal due to rose colored glasses.

 

As far as Burma, I'd like to see it at some point but not yet. I'd rather a Northern Africa/Italy/MTO set before that so I can't exactly vote with the current options as I'm against it right now but am open to it in the future.

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Hello PantsPilot, thank you for the input ! |It's very nice to see such response. 

 

One thing I'd like to say straight off the bat is that A6M's (the famed type zero fighter) saw very little usage over Burma which was really the theatre for the IJAAF not the Navy; land mass campaigns during WWII usually involved the Army whilst island or heavy ocean populated areas usually came under the control of the Navy, however there were exceptions. The only time that A6M's saw combat in this theatre was in a limited offensive against India, in which Naval units were specially flown in before flying a few missions escorting G4M "Betty" bombers before leaving soon after. Ironically I believe they were A6M3's not 2's or 5's !

To be honest A6Ms were constantly present in this theater of war. Just not in Burma per see. They hit India (Ceylon) in 1942 along with Kido Butai. Zero detachments were present in Car Nicobar in the Nicobar Islands and Port Blair on Andaman Islands for months, providing air defense against US and RAF Liberators. Other detachments were sent to Mergui in southern Burma. 

As mentioned on first page 331st Kokutai was moved to Magwe Airfield (Central Burma) in early December 1943 in preparations for Ryu Ichi Go Sakusen Operation against Calcutta. Unit was eventually withdrawn in March-April period I believe. 

 

And no, certainly they were not A6M3's. A6M3 model 32 was long out of production when 331st Kokutai was formed in July 1943 and A6M3 model 22 got priority for Solomon Islands campaign (units there required that additional range this model possessed), South West Pacific Area and for operations against Darwin. 331st was formed and supposed to protect Sabang, Sumatra and based on my research it was equipped initially with A6M2s. Since A6M5 went into production in August 1943 unit eventually received a newer model. This is confirmed by pictorial documentation, since for Ryu Ichi-go Operation Navy issued a Directive ordering Navy units to paint with the light gray-green paint the right upper wing top and the vertical stabilizer. Despite the directive, as Japanese author Keishiro Nagao noted, all known photos of Zeros participating in this Operation were painted with light gray-green paint on both wing tips and vertical stabilizer. 

Here is a Zero from 331st Kokutai caught on color picture :

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Also although Ki-84 Hayate's (Franks) do occasionally get listed as spending short periods in Burma in publications, there is very little evidence of them being operational.

There is a lot of evidence coming from Japanese sources, especially 50th Sentai which used them most extensively. 

They were often used as ground attackers while covered by Ki-43s from other units or straight as B&Z aircraft considering they could not maneuver (or not so easily maneuver) with Spitfires. They just never were present in great numbers due to the fact that most of them was thrown straight to Philippine Campaign and most never returned. Even by January 1945 Ki-84s were not identified in the area despite the continuous usage which may be part of the reason why there is little evidence, especially in Allied reports. On technical side, Ki-84 largely resembles the shape of Ki-43 (especially late ones with individual exhausts and as they use same airfoil) so this can explain all the problem.

 

More suitable would be the Ki-44 Shoki "Tojo" which did serve alongside the main Japanese fighter; the Ki-43 in all variants, including the Ki-43-III. The Ki-45 Toryu "Nick" was also fairly often encountered - it would be perfect to have the Beaufighter opposite this on the allied side.

To be honest if that would be 1943 than yes, absolutely. 

But not in 1944. 

Since in 1943 a major problem existed in B-24 raids on Rangoon and other objects in Burma/China Japanese provided some units like 64th Sentai and 50th Sentai with few Ki-44s and I believe those remained in service still in 1944 (prime example can be leading ace of 64th, Maj. Yasuhiko Kuroe who mastered Shoki fighter).

 

The only fully equipped in Ki-44s was 87th Sentai which normally was given a task to provide air cover for oil fields on Sumatra. Unit was indeed moved to Meiktila in Burma on 8th May 1944 with over 30 fighters, where it suffered massive losses (on 11th May lost 4 pilots shot down and killed, 1 more bailed out safely. On 12th further two, one on 14th, etc.) and was withdrawn to Sumatra in a matter of weeks. 

For mid to late 1944 operations in Burma definitely more suitable is Ki-84. Especially against those Spitfires and Mustangs.

 

Ki-45s were present as well. There was a 21st Sentai stationed until January 1944, but after that time there were only secondary units and small numbers left behind. 

 

 

A perfect US fighter that was used by both the US and the RAF SEAC was the P-47/Thunderbolt, at the ground attack role it excelled. 

Well, that might be arguable. And as a ground attacker it could be a reason why nobody would use Vengeance or Hurricane. We could end up with a similar issue that now exists on multi with Jabo 190s rushing targets before anyone can even try to intercept them. 

Besides, P-51As normally carried ordnance or could be equipped with under-wing rocket launchers. No big deal here.

 

Just a few ideas about the "forgotten airforces" in Burma. Where Burma is really good is that it was the only place in the Japan war where combat continued unbroken (aside from monsoon season) for the entire war period, whereas in the Pacific many battles only lasted a day or two. Hence it would be worth the devs developing the scenery as many expansions could follow.

Exactly, it can be used in many ways for long. 

 

As far as Burma, I'd like to see it at some point but not yet. I'd rather a Northern Africa/Italy/MTO set before that so I can't exactly vote with the current options as I'm against it right now but am open to it in the future.

"Do you find presented idea interesting and would you like it to be future expansion ?"

 

It doesn't say it has to be precisely next, though I'd be obviously appreciate it. But future is future  ;)

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Thanks Dak.

Maybe I should install old Il-2 ?   :)

There is also a completely re-textured Burma map so combined this could bring really pleasant experiences.

 

Just to bring something new to the topic.

Here is an interesting finding from j-aircraft.org forums. Shortly after the beginning of the monsoon season in May 1944 the 64th Sentai had been re-equipping and it was presented with additional Aikoku Hayabusa, Ki-43-II/late at Mingaladon Airfield outside of Rangoon. These three were assigned to the 1st Biurma Hiko Hentai of the 3rd Hiko Chutai of 64th Sentai. The Hentaicho aircraft is the one with the diagonal (white probably) stripe across the fuselage: 

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The peacock emblem was a Royal symbol of the Nation State of Burma dating back to the mid XIXth Century. The Oscars presented to 64th Sentai by Aikoku Biruma (Burma patriotism) were given such special marking.

 

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"Koa Biurma No.1" and "No.2"  presented by the "Biurma Japanese Association" at their  plane-naming ceremony.

 

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Ki-43-II/late (sometimes described as Otsu, nomenclature is still a bit confusing) was last major modification to Model II airframe, focusing on new type of exhaust system. The exhausts instead of collective system were now split in 1-3-2 combination, where 6 cylinders received individual exhausts and further 8 were double joined, which increased the thrust and improved the machine performance. Further modifications in those late Oscars included a new type of fuel tank protection, with not only external layers of rubber but also internal  (overall 12 mm thickness) greatly improving the protection against fuel leaks and fire. Pilots were also now protected by 3 armored plates, two small ones providing protection for the pilots head and legs and big one protecting pilots back. From the airframe No. 5866 manufactured by Nakajima and No. 15351 manufactured by Tachikawa there was provided additional plate behind the head, angled at 30 deg. 

Minor changes included addition of landing light in the middle of the wing leading edge, re-positioning of bomb racks outside of landing gear line now allowing to carry two 200 l fuel tanks or up to two 250 kg bombs. 

 

All of this modifications led to weight increase by roughly 100-180 kg, however additional thrust provided by new exhausts more than compensated for that, increasing the top speed to 536-540 km/h and improving climb rate. Aircraft now also could dive at greater speeds, thus allowing to follow Allied aircraft a little bit longer. 

 

 

Pictures credit: Richard Dunn, "Greater East Asia Pictorial News Magazine," October 1944, Summer-San, and LRA via Jim Lansdale (j-aircraft.org).

 

 

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Should be fun booming them with a P38!

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Adding Buffalo F2A would be awesome!

Hello Scharfi, it would be awesome indeed but not in 1944  :lol:

 

Buffalos were operated by RAF Squadrons over Malaya in 1941-1942 and by Dutch pilots over Dutch East Indies. They didnt receive best opinions though, British pilots continuously complained the lack of climb rate and bad all-around view. Dutch had somewhat better opinion, but thats partially because their machines were not as well protected thus saving some weight and leaving machine lighter. 

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This time a video from the other side. This is a short clip presenting RAF No. 136 Squadron known as "Woodpeckers" operating from Dum-Dum airfield in Calcutta. You can see in detail tropical Hurricane Mk IIs and couple of other warbirds. 

(Sidenote, according to youtube video is restricted in Germany because youtube ... I guess the Ride of the Valkyries has something to do with it.) 

 

No. 136 Squadron was the highest scoring unit in South East Asia Command during World War II. It became operational on March 31, 1942 around Alipore, flying in Hurricane MK IIs, the squadron initially provided convoy patrols and air defense of the Calcutta area, but in December it began operating detachments over the Burmese front and by the end of the month it moved to Chittagong to continue these operations from there. Eventually the Hurricanes were replaced with Spitfire Vs in October 1943, making the squadron one of three to receive that aircraft in the same month, bringing the air defenses of Burma up to a higher level.

 
The squadron began Spitfire operations on December 3, 1943, flying a mix of defensive fighter sorties and bomber escort missions over Burma. Its best day of the year came on December 31st when it claimed twelve Japanese bombers and fighters that were attacking shipping off the Arakan coast. In January 1944 the Spitfire Mk Vs went to another unit and were replaced with Spitfire Mk VIIIs and unit continued its operations until it was moved to Ceylon. Other interesting place it "visited" were famous Cocos Islands. 
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Yes, this is a very nice finding. Now I know where exactly that famous picture comes from. Thanks Dak.

 

I managed to find on Australian War Memorial this footage of Spitfire  in Arakan area (most likely). Has no sound, but still I think it is the best material with Spitfires in the area :

https://www.awm.gov.au/video/F02165.mp4

 

Just in case, it apparently takes a moment to load so be patient if it wont start immediately. 

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yes, i would love to see this as 2 of my favorite planes are the zero and the spitfire so this would be the best expansion for me. i think the hurricane could be fun, two of the mods could be replacing the MGs with 4 20mm and they could also do it with 2 40mm cannons, this would be cool as well as true to life as hurricane Cs used both those weapon variations. the ki-43 model 3 would be only one that could compete with the other planes but it's 20mm guns could be a mod like how i thing the hurricanes should be. i can really comment on the bombers but the choices look good. every thing seems to be great and i would love to play this so plz 1c do this. 

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the ki-43 model 3 would be only one that could compete with the other planes but it's 20mm guns could be a mod like how i thing the hurricanes should be. i can really comment on the bombers but the choices look good. every thing seems to be great and i would love to play this so plz 1c do this. 

Model 3 still had "only" two 12.7 mm machine guns.  

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If we go here I'll be reunited with my old friend from Il-2:FB, the Hurricane Mk. II. I used to have an unhealthy love for air combat in that thing. Today every time I try it I wonder how did I go up in that :biggrin:

 

Not to mention the C kit - highly destructive fire power, for about two trigger presses. If you missed, it was tough luck and enjoy the ride home.

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Oh yeah, that shouldnt really be a problem. For dogfights or even light bomber interceptions 12 x 0.303 should do it. The C modification while greatly improved firepower, caused also quite massive performance decrease. Interceptions became hard, especially those speedy Ki-46 were impossible to catch as Hurricane would have to climb to 8-9,000 meters and catch a twin engine machine that had higher top speed than it had.

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What about the De-Havilland Mosquito it was there it is a very iconic aeroplane from WW2 I think it would be an awesome addition. maxresdefault.jpg

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love the OP...that's a proper way for a proposal!

 

I voted no...not because I don't like the theatre (which I think is a forgotten one) but I would prefer the devs focus on more popular battles (eg. Malta, Italy, Normandy, Britain again, North Africa, PTO).

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Hi there, sorry for necro-threading but I just saw Bismark's vid and felt the urge to add my 2c worth :biggrin:

Firstly, I'd like to say that although I voted for the second option I nevertheless find the idea interesting and would like to see it come to fruition some day so "thank you" to the OP for their great write up.

 

I agree with most of what the OP has suggested except for some of the suggested aircraft... not that I think their suggestions are bad at all (far from it) so this isn't a criticism but rather some suggestions for your consideration which I feel would provide a good balance whether playing a campaign or online. As you'll see there's some bending (but not breaking!) of historical accuracy by using aircraft that, although they fought over Burma, may have not done so over the area specified by the OP or did so in only small numbers, but I feel this would be needed to provide a good plane set and it isn't so far beyond the (historical) pale.

Allied vs IJAAF: Standard

 

Hurricane IIc - Ki-43-II late*
Spitfire LF.VIII - Ki-84**
Vengeance - Ki-48***
B-25J - Ki-21

 

* I didn't bother to include the Hurri IIb as the RAF felt the additional firepower of the IIc made for the performance cost from the extra weight. IIRC the last IIb equipped squadron was removed from the front line in February or March '44.

** I'd have the Ki-84 in the standard list because it'd provide a performance match with the Spitfire (also cut down on gripping about being boom'n'zoomed and complaints about "pay to win").
*** I suggested the Ki-48 rather than the Ki-51 as it's a lot closer to the Vengeance in terms of its bomb load and can also dive-bomb. It's faster and more agile than the Vengeance but less robust.

 

Premium (options)

 

Beaufighter X - Ki-45*
P-51A - Ki-44**
P-40N - Ki-43-III***
Wellington X - Ki-67****

 

* Battle of the twin engined heavy fighters, it's all about the firepower :) Good for ground pounding.
** The speed demons. Close in terms of armament and wing loading.
*** A classic match up. And considering the theater it'll be the P-40s of the "Burma Banshees" with those cool skulls painted on the nose rather than the dime-a-dozen shark mouths ;)
**** At times the Whimpy outnumbered the B-25 so it'd be good to see in theater. Tough as old boots and carrying a slightly heavier bomb load than the Ki-67 but slower and with a less powerful defencive armament.

 

Also, I believe the strips carved out of the jungle for the Chindits would fall within the bounds set by the OP so it'd be fun to experience the dogfights at Broadway.

 

Cheers,

 

HB

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I'm so busy this days that I've missed that one Pencil. Sorry for the late answer. Also, its not necro-threading. Suggestions, especially for the next expansions, can be alive indefinitely. 

 

To address your advises, personally I really like the idea to swap Ki-51 with Ki-48. Considering there is a twin engine aircraft used as attacker, Bf 110, using Ki-48 for the same purpose shouldn't be an issue at all. What is more in terms of size and weight, Ki-48 is very comparable to Bf 110 (if not lighter in fact), also Ki-48 is actually capable of dive bombing due to fact that later models were equipped with airbrakes.

That is a change I'd certainly like to introduce. 

 

Change of the A6M5 to Ki-43-II is really not so much relevant in terms of performance. And Ki-84 still should be kept as a Premium, it was present in Burma but not in great numbers and it didn't achieve anything special (as it simply couldn't at give strategic situation), its also an interesting aircraft thus I found more reasons to keep it Premium than Standard.  Besides, its hardly going to be able to compete with Spitfire in terms of performance.

 

In regard to premiums, the Beaufighter and Ki-45 have few similarities and played different roles. Beaufighter was heavy strike aircraft with capability to drop torpedoes, and with its heavy armament it could greatly support troops in various actions. Ki-45 was designed as heavy escort fighter (in this case a lot closer to  Bf-110 it was) and later changes were made to improve its ability to strike the heavy bombers (thus 37 mm cannon). 

Ki-44-II at given time was not only barely present but also suffered major losses. I also kept it off the table due to very special reason, I simply have little data about it. For most of the other aircraft I have various manuals, handbooks and documents either in Japanese or English. For this one I got almost nothing so it was hard to judge what exactly this machine can do.

We already have P-40 and dont think selling it again (just different variant) as Premium would be attractive at all. Same for bombers, as much as we have fans of them, those are the least used aircraft in the game. Not that I dont like them, both are fantastic machines, but they wouldnt be as profitable as lets say, fighters. 

 

 

Yup, I was hoping to see that kind of missions with airfields deep into enemy territory myself. Support of Chindit operations would be something very unique in this flight sim.

 

Hiro 

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Ki-44-II at given time was not only barely present but also suffered major losses. I also kept it off the table due to very special reason, I simply have little data about it. For most of the other aircraft I have various manuals, handbooks and documents either in Japanese or English. For this one I got almost nothing so it was hard to judge what exactly this machine can do. 

I've sent you a little.

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Personally i'd love too see Naval Aircraft more so than land based, and less British and more American fighters. We already have the spitfire in Kuban and a bunch more in CLOD. But if you wanna go back to fly Naval you've gotta go to 1946. I'm a bigger fan of the F4U and F6F than more spitfires and hurricanes. I've played enough of them in CLOD to know I'm not a fan of them. I'll still buy it but I'd rather see Naval planes like the F4u and F6F.

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Personally i'd love too see Naval Aircraft more so than land based, and less British and more American fighters. We already have the spitfire in Kuban and a bunch more in CLOD. But if you wanna go back to fly Naval you've gotta go to 1946. I'm a bigger fan of the F4U and F6F than more spitfires and hurricanes. I've played enough of them in CLOD to know I'm not a fan of them. I'll still buy it but I'd rather see Naval planes like the F4u and F6F.

We are definetly going to get Midway, but after that Burma is a must have. Flying Tigers, RAF against 64th Sentai. 

And if you didn't like the Hurricane you wll absolutely hate the F4F we are  going to get. 

 

And fighting against Ki-43s with their almost Bi-Plane like agility you will gain a different appreciation for these old Birds. 

 

In this Movie they created astonishingly good Dogfighting Scenes in the Real Aircraft. 

 

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as an expert on sim racing i can say the best race sim ever its 98 grandprix legends

 

racing sims now are made in such a way to give any user the feeling he is an awesome pilot, even circuits are studied this way not having for example braking closing curves

 

if i race sim now ill pick any time gpl 

 

older is better and simpler

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And fighting against Ki-43s with their almost Bi-Plane like agility you will gain a different appreciation for these old Birds. 

 

 

Only WWII aircraft I know of to pull a double Immelman.

There's also an account of 2 P-38's taking turns making passes on a lone Ki-43 and they guy kept evading at the last second, pass after pass.

The P-38's eventually gave up and went home.

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Only WWII aircraft I know of to pull a double Immelman.

There's also an account of 2 P-38's taking turns making passes on a lone Ki-43 and they guy kept evading at the last second, pass after pass.

The P-38's eventually gave up and went home.

Yeah, I think the Japanese Campaigns in Burma could warrant three independent Games.

 

1. Around the 64th Sentai and Tateo Kato, Japanese Advance

  • Ki-43-I and Ki-27s as Fighters and Ki-21, Ki-30 and Ki-48 as Ground Attack
  • Hurricane, P-40E, Spit Mk.Va, F2A Buffalo as Fighters, Blenheim Bombers and whatever else was present in Burma

2. Start of the Burma Campaign late 43, early 44. 

  • Ki-61, Ki-44 as Light Fighters; Ki-45 or Ki-46 as heavy Fighters; Ki-49 Heavy Bomber; Ki-43-II optional
  • Spit Mk.IX; P-40L and N; P-51B, P-38, P-47 Razorback, as Fighters; Can't find reliable Info on Heavy Aircraft. 

3. American Advance early 45

  • Ki-84 and Ki-100; Ki-102 and late Variants of existing Aircraft
  • P-51D; P-47 Bubble; Spit LF Mk.IX; B-25 and Lighter. 

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You mix apples and oranges. No Ki-100, Spitfire IXs, F2A Buffaloes and Ki-102s were present. Ki-61 saw a very limited service in Burma, two or three aircraft were present there. Ki-43 and Ki-44 were bread and butter until Ki-84 arrived in 1944.

 

What I've posted in my suggestion pretty much deals with 1944 - 1945 period in a sufficient degree, focusing primarily on Arakan, Kohima and Imphal battles. Thing that is actually left, is 1942 period of Japanese offensives.

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