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Tactical Air War is a historical WWII simulator from the perspective of the participating air forces and pilots. It has a dynamic multiplayer server in IL-2: Great Battles that runs 24/7, as well as a dedicated website. It is operated and administered by the LuftGangsta team from Poland. All graphics or definitions used in the manual or website is only intended to maintain historical accuracy.

 

P / S Please do not drag politics here. This is a GAME ...

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2 hours ago, 72AGs_Battler63 said:

 

 

P / S Please do not drag politics here. This is a GAME ...

Agreed, politics is not allowed in this forum afaik. This is a game.

 

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[-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR

Assuming most people here are familiar with Sutton or possibly Irving, its all good!

Lets enjoy this beautiful game, however freedom of speech must prevail over any attempted censorship.

Otherwise we will be fighting with each other over politics.

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=LG=Blakhart

Beta open tests started

https://taw.stg2.de/index.php

 

Everyone who wants to participate needs to join TAW Discord

 

https://discord.gg/FeMjZ2MdZv

 

and contact with me via pm, to receive manual, instructions.

 

Registering is not working on the website ATM, I need to do it manualy.
What you will see in manual, is not the last word. Some features are still in development.

 

Bugs and problems plz report on this text channel

 

#bugs-and-technical-issues

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We slowly moving from forum to Discord to gather all TAW community in one place and keep closer contact and more friendly atmosphere than on forum.

 

Our Public Relation specialists on TAW DISCORD  is:
@=L/R=Maurox  , give him warm welcome!!!
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To clarify, I inititated this TAW painful but needed shift, and with help &  hard work of
@=LG=Kathon @=LG=todeskvlt @=LG/Dev=Skyman_ and others we were able to make this big step from arcade to historical version...

but...

,with the start of new TAW season, I will not respond on the forum.
what is more
 currently we don`t have ANYONE in the admin team who will take responsibilty of answering on forum, so after TAW start, don`t expect any feedback from LG side (except on Discord).

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Just informing you guys :) so You should not feel ignored.
We still wait for the feedback with the new CRP rule after end of the season but only on Discord.

 

Best regards

 

Blakhart & LuftGangsters

 

Your beloved

 

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=LG=Blakhart:
Tactical Air War is a project of a historical simulation of World War II from the perspectives of the airforces and pilots involved.
It features a dynamic multiplayer server in IL-2: Great Battles which remains online 24/7 along with a dedicated website.
It is operated and administered by the LuftGangsta-team from Poland. All of the graphic elements or definitions used in
the manual or on the website are to keep historical accuracy only - we do not promote communism, fascism
or any other extremist ideology or regime. All of these were
equally horrifying and devastating for humanity.
By re-enacting these events we want to let you honor all your veterans according to your nationality and beliefs and who
fought bravely on the sea, on land and in the air, for their own life, their family, and their land.
May we never forget that and there will be no more war between us.
Amen.

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We at 72AG greatly appreciate and value very high the work done by LuftGangsta team, we  believe that TAW server is the best project at the moment. Thanks to its existence great number of pilots still remain in the game.  We however strongly believe that any form of political propaganda as well as any provocations aimed towards inciting interethnic strife should not be allowed on the project.

We do remember the difficult history of our country and hold it in high esteem, we believe that it's totally unacceptable to compare the Nazi regime that started the most bloody war in the history of mankind and the country which made huge sacrifices to make the Victory over the Nazi regime possible. The results of the Second World War  have long been summed up and unambiguous judgement have been made by the Nuremberg Tribunal, and there should be no attempts to change it anyhow or to undermine the graveness of the deeds of the perpetrating regime. We are not at all ready to honor the memory of the Wermacht veterans and kindly ask not to try to force it upon the community. Nazi regime is altogether evil. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten.
We hope for understanding and ask to drop the following text out of the new manual.

 

 

Мы 72АГ очень ценим работу команды LuftGangsta и считаем TAW лучшим сервером на текущий момент, благодаря которому значительная часть пилотов все еще продолжает оставаться в игре, однако считаем недопустимой какую бы то ни было политическую пропаганду в рамках проекта и провокации призванные развязать межнациональную рознь.

Мы хорошо помним непростую историю нашей страны, очень дорожим ею, и считаем категорически неприемлемым сравнение нацистского режима, приведшего к развязыванию самой кровопролитной войны в истории человечества и страны, принесшей огромные жертвы, ради Победы над этим режимом.

Итоги Второй мировой войны давно подведены, однозначная оценка преступлениям нацистов дана Международным военным трибуналом и не подлежат ни пересмотру ни какому бы то ни было оправданию.

Мы не готовы чтить память ветеранов Вермахта и просим не навязывать это сообществу. Нацизм - зло. Никто не забыт и ничто не забыто.

Надеемся на понимание и просим исключить из текста новой редакции мануала текст, выделенный в приведенной выше цитате.

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We have everything right)

On 4/8/2021 at 2:45 AM, SCG_Wulfe said:

headrest removal [...] absolutely a unit by unit, pilot by pilot decision. 

No. T'was a commanders' decision my lad.

 

Why don't we play the campaign and only in hindsight with the experience on our back shall we debate whether it's a good or bad idea?

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WG_Muskat
On 4/7/2021 at 7:28 PM, =LG=Blakhart said:

Everything can be fixed, no worries just conatct with Your supervisors!!!

It only remained to tell the developers that the armor plate could withstand the hit of a 20 mm 🤣

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On 4/11/2021 at 2:09 PM, =LG=Blakhart said:

We slowly moving from forum to Discord to gather all TAW community in one place and keep closer contact and more friendly atmosphere than on forum.

Could you clarify a few things about this please?

 

1. Does that mean that if you don't use Discord, you can't access TAW?

2. What benefit does using Discord have?

3. How invasive is Discord?, ie., how much info does it want about the user and does it "phone home"?

4. How resource heavy is Discord? Will it impact frame rate etc.?

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11 minutes ago, Pict said:

Could you clarify a few things about this please?

 

1. Does that mean that if you don't use Discord, you can't access TAW?

2. What benefit does using Discord have?

3. How invasive is Discord?, ie., how much info does it want about the user and does it "phone home"?

4. How resource heavy is Discord? Will it impact frame rate etc.?

1. No clue

2. You can see my dank memes... and participate in TAW talk, bug reports and other such stuff that LG no longer want to do here. 

3. It is "free" software, meaning you are the product. Assume everything your type will go to NSA, CIA, FBI, Amazon, Facebook, China and President Biden.

4. Browser version is heavy. The actual client software is 200~megs +- depending how much stuff you have going on. If you are hurting on the memory then its heavier than team speak or srs. 

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9 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

You can see my dank memes

What's that?

 

9 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

It is "free" software, meaning you are the product. Assume everything your type will go to NSA, CIA, FBI, Amazon, Facebook, China and President Biden.

I figured so much. Not so worried about Geriatric Joe or even China as much as the other players you mentioned.

 

9 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Browser version is heavy. The actual client software is 200~megs +- depending how much stuff you have going on.

Geez that no good, I'll be sticking with TS.

 

Thanks for the info. Now to find out if it's the end of TAW for me or not.

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Cpt_Siddy
2 minutes ago, Pict said:

What's that?

 

I figured so much. Not so worried about Geriatric Joe or even China as much as the other players you mentioned.

 

Geez that no good, I'll be sticking with TS.

 

Thanks for the info. Now to find out if it's the end of TAW or not.

 

I don't think it is the end of TAW, it just reasonable to move all the drama to the space more controlled by LG so not to cause IL-2 devs gray hairs. 

I dont think you need to keep the discord client open during the game, it is there just for communication for important stuff, bug reports and other such things that used to be posted here... maybe awards and such. 

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2 hours ago, Pict said:

Could you clarify a few things about this please?

 

1. Does that mean that if you don't use Discord, you can't access TAW?

2. What benefit does using Discord have?

3. How invasive is Discord?, ie., how much info does it want about the user and does it "phone home"?

4. How resource heavy is Discord? Will it impact frame rate etc.?

 

It's a better alternative to TeamSpeak and maybe even to SRS radio as far as in-game communications go, since you can run it for free off your phone. You'll have a separate screen and no shared controls with your keyboard/joystick, no shared resources with your PC. Though as I'm typing this out, I guess these advantages don't apply to VR players.

 

I don't like it as an alternative to this forum though, it's another hurdle for new players. "TAW is great but you need to register to play, learn the complex rules, and now you also need to register on a completely different communication channel to keep up-to-date with the discussion." Are the occasional luke-warm off-topic discussions that occur here and are cleaned up quickly really such a pain in the butt that LG feels a move is necessary? Also, I like content moderation from a third party.

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10 minutes ago, WokeUpDead said:

 

It's a better alternative to TeamSpeak and maybe even to SRS radio as far as in-game communications go, since you can run it for free off your phone. You'll have a separate screen and no shared controls with your keyboard/joystick, no shared resources with your PC. Though as I'm typing this out, I guess these advantages don't apply to VR players.

 

I don't like it as an alternative to this forum though, it's another hurdle for new players. "TAW is great but you need to register to play, learn the complex rules, and now you also need to register on a completely different communication channel to keep up-to-date with the discussion." Are the occasional luke-warm off-topic discussions that occur here and are cleaned up quickly really such a pain in the butt that LG feels a move is necessary? Also, I like content moderation from a third party.

biggest drawbacks are lack of whispers

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Damn, this thread is a trainwreck.

It's a great advertisement for the TAW campaign. 🥴

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3 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

I don't think it is the end of TAW

 

No, neither do I, but I forgot to add "for me" in the original post, that I have since updated.

 

3 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

it just reasonable to move all the drama to the space

 

That's possibly open to some debate. It's been tried before though :)

 

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I did a search for "dank meme" and this came up ;)

 

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72AG_SerWolf
5 минут назад, Pict сказал:

No, neither do I, but I for got to add "for me" in the original post, that I have since updated.

That's possibly open to some debate. It's been tried before though :)

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I did a search for "dank meme" and this came up ;)

 

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Dont forget read about Munich Agreement, when Germany, Great Britain, Italy, France, Poland and Hungary tore apart Czechoslovakia in 1938

 

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2 hours ago, WokeUpDead said:

It's a better alternative to TeamSpeak and maybe even to SRS radio as far as in-game communications go, since you can run it for free off your phone. You'll have a separate screen and no shared controls with your keyboard/joystick, no shared resources with your PC.

 

This hadn't occurred to me and you're right in that it would be better than TS resource wise as it wouldn't run on the PC. That said I also have the option to run TS on another PC so that kind of cancels that bonus out.

 

However TS doesn't have access to my phone book or my sms's or my camera etc., nor would it even ask for permission to do so. Can that be said of this "app"?

 

 

1 hour ago, 72AG_SerWolf said:

Dont forget read about Munich Agreement, when Germany, Great Britain, Italy, France, Poland and Hungary tore apart Czechoslovakia in 1938

 

Good point and no I didn't, nor would I forget such a significant historical event. It's not mentioned in the video above though and it should be I think.

 

I'm more into stepping back and taking in the bigger historical picture than fixating on the set piece dates that are attributed to the start of WWII for example. I feel better equipped to understand WWII if I also take WWI and the events between the two world wars into account.

 

Then I feel the need to look at the events of 1870 to get a better grasp of WWI...and so on.

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WokeUpBlue
On 4/12/2021 at 11:47 AM, Pict said:

However TS doesn't have access to my phone book or my sms's or my camera etc., nor would it even ask for permission to do so. Can that be said of this "app"?

 

It's like any other similar communications app (Skype, Messenger, Twitter, etc). There are permission settings on your phone that control what the apps can and can't access. How trustworthy and robust those settings are depend more on your phone than on the app itself. I'd trust Apple more than Huawei for example, but I wouldn't trust either 100%.

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3 hours ago, WokeUpDead said:

Are the occasional luke-warm off-topic discussions that occur here and are cleaned up quickly really such a pain in the butt that LG feels a move is necessary? Also, I like content moderation from a third party.

 

Is that was the "move to space" is all about? Well, if it is, it's their ball and they can take it home as and when they want.

 

If it was my ball, I would just let people run with it and let others do the judging. After all you can and will be judged on what you say and do, won't you. If you're gagged, nobody will know what kind of clown you are or are not.

 

Additionally, if people are getting silly with each other, I would introduce the time honored duel. Choice of weapon and duke it out in the virtual sky before being allowed to make a clown of yourself on the forum again :) 

 

But it's not my ball, so it'll be what it'll be.

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Hi guys.
Is all this political garbage REALLY necessary to discuss about an online server?
Please "real life" if full [edited] enough every day. Too much.
Let's leave the simulation forums for simulation issues and TAW development. Nothing good for the simulator, for the TAW or for the community can come out of this.
Please. Thanks

 

DO NOT CHANGE FORUM ADMINISTRATION EDITING

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Exactly this!! All you armchair historians, please just go somewhere else to discuss your policital and historical problems!!

 

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Folks, déjà vu and I'm really tired of it: TAW in it's best form can be a demanding game, offering some limited insight in aspects of WW2-air-war, too. Like people's behaviour under stress, results of (missing) co-operation, burning ambition of individuals / groups versus an effective game-play. Especially those over-ambitious characters regularly transform this part of the IL2-GB-forum into a devil's workshop. Imho the most unpleasant sub-forum in IL2-GB, by far!

It still very much helps not to be confronted with further distasteful shortcomings like national pride, self-inflicted ignorance and the absence of (historical) education. That's too much to endure during my precious spare time. Sorry TAW - I'm out for this turn.

   
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I also thought that everyone would stay with their own ... But there [edited] and climb out of Katyn, insulting my country. Sorry for not holding back. This is not the place for such discussions.

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Everyone knows the history so we can move on. New Tactical Air War season is coming and it is most important thing here.

 

This will be announce many times but we have new domain tacticalairwar.com, please update your bookmarks. Old addresses taw-server.de and taw.stg2.de will be off in the future.

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3 hours ago, =LG=todeskvlt said:

New Tactical Air War season is coming

 

Cool...any info regarding the communication software mentioned above, to be specific, will it be a requirement to register and take part in the "New" TAW or will we be able to continue as before?

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4 minutes ago, Pict said:

 

Cool...any info regarding the communication software mentioned above, to be specific, will it be a requirement to register and take part in the "New" TAW or will we be able to continue as before?

What kind of communication ? 
You mean voice communication ? Like TS3 or Discord ?

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2 hours ago, =LG=Blakhart said:

What kind of communication ?

Discord.

 

The one you mentioned above. The one I already asked you about yesterday, above.

 

TS I use and have used in one version or another for well over 10 years, without a problem. Discord on the other hand I cannot envisage myself installing on either my PC or my phone.

 

Thanks.

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54 minutes ago, Pict said:

Discord.

 

The one you mentioned above. The one I already asked you about yesterday, above.

 

TS I use and have used in one version or another for well over 10 years, without a problem. Discord on the other hand I cannot envisage myself installing on either my PC or my phone.

 

Thanks.

 

We will keep TS3 as voice communicator, no worries.

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ACG_Medln
42 minutes ago, =LG=todeskvlt said:

 

We will keep TS3 as voice communicator, no worries.

 

1 hour ago, Pict said:

Discord.

 

The one you mentioned above. The one I already asked you about yesterday, above.

 

TS I use and have used in one version or another for well over 10 years, without a problem. Discord on the other hand I cannot envisage myself installing on either my PC or my phone.

 

Thanks.


Goddamn boomers with their conservative views, the future is now old man! 😄

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Discord for text messages and updates.

 

TS /SRS as primary voice messages.


From today I`m not available for a bit.
Please contact other LG members in regard of registartion, feedback and updates.
 

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36 minutes ago, ACG_Medln said:

Goddamn boomers with their conservative views, the future is now old man! 😄

 

I really must be getting old...used to be that the present is now and the future hasn't come yet, or was that past that hasn't happen yet???...whatever spins your dial kid 😵

 

1 hour ago, =LG=todeskvlt said:

We will keep TS3 as voice communicator, no worries.

 

Thanks, yes I kinda figured that, it's not like you can ditch it really is it? I was more talking about registration and being able to take part. Could be I just read it wrong, but I got the impression that stuff was now or in the future to be handled on this new dangled Disco thing :) 

 

10 minutes ago, =LG=Blakhart said:

Discord for text messages and updates.

 

TS /SRS as primary voice messages.


From today I`m not available for a bit.
Please contact other LG members in regard of registartion, feedback and updates.
 

 

I confess you lost me with that. I'm starting to feel like Joe Biden here ;) 

 

So, to re ask the basic question. Can we register on the website in the future as it was in the past not like it is for the current testing in the present?

 

Did I loose the kid with that or did he go to bed already? ;) 

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45 minutes ago, Pict said:

So, to re ask the basic question. Can we register on the website in the future as it was in the past not like it is for the current testing in the present?

 

Yes, you will register your account as always

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11 hours ago, =LG=todeskvlt said:

 

Yes, you will register your account as always

 

That's good to know, thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

I very much look forward to taking part in the next TAW as although I had registered for the last two as usual, life got in the way with some sad family news that then involved a couple of extended international trips in the middle of ever changing legislation and border closures. All up it meant that virtual flying went by the board for quite some time.

 

Hopefully I will get a chance to make up for lost time and get shot down more often than before :) 

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New TS3 and website addresses are up: tacticalairwar.com (without port). Please update your bookmarks. Old addresses will be off soon.

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19 hours ago, =LG=todeskvlt said:

New TS3 and website addresses are up: tacticalairwar.com (without port). Please update your bookmarks. Old addresses will be off soon.

Is SRS up? I tried to connect to the one from last season the other day and I had no luck.

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3 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Saker said:

Is SRS up? I tried to connect to the one from last season the other day and I had no luck.

 

As far as i know SRS is not working when campaign is offline.

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On 4/9/2021 at 7:47 AM, WokeUpDead said:


I don’t think you can turn your head back to the left far enough with both your shoulders held back by straps to have your right eye look around the headrest like this:

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Instead pilots looked back like this:

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I bet we actually get a better view of our six in game than real pilots could.

Try VR headset and see the difference .

We can argue all day .

I think an option on the pilot too take rear plate would be good  . Or fly with wingman while its in place . Six Covered . 

But I feel in game its not modeled and offers little protection . Maybe someone has better understanding then me . Tested .

On 4/13/2021 at 11:14 AM, JG77_Knipser said:

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Exactly this!! All you armchair historians, please just go somewhere else to discuss your policital and historical problems!!

 

Totally agree . Nothing is going to change . Nothing .. !!

In fact its even worst now than 1950 .

Just look at America . What a joke it is now . lol 

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