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Cpt_Siddy

Then pick up a bomber line. You will still be able to fly basic fighter. 

 

This is not hard stuff, even ACGers should be able to figure this one out... 

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JG5_Schuck
3 minutes ago, ACG_Vietkong said:

No you don´t get the point. so lets say there are 15 of us in a squad. We want to have a sizeable raid at a given point to a depot or airfield.. whatever... we need 6 peshkas. so if all RL situation aligns, we need at least 6 ppl to get the bomber line and those 6 need to be there at a given time, which is higly unlikely. So to be able to field 6 pehskas, to be safe we would need 3/4 of the squad  in the bomber line...little options for other lines...

 

True...... all six of you would have to have earned the PE2's and have chosen a 'bomber' career.

If out of 15 10 were fighters, i can see this happening from time to time.

But ACG is a big squad, i can see this disadvantaging smaller squads, and by that i mean that may have to fly different planes.

But was that not how the last campaign was, only this time it will be more restrictive..

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ACG_Vietkong
2 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Then pick up a bomber line. You will still be able to fly basic fighter. 

 

This is not hard stuff, even ACGers should be able to figure this one out... 

no shit sherlock. I wanna see you in a bomber line.

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Cpt_Siddy
Just now, ACG_Vietkong said:

no shit sherlock. I wanna see you in a bomber line.

You wont see me in a bomber line, i dont know how you ACG boomers communicate your stuff, but we in the Sober Sky have already made our role divisions more or less clear based on who can do what. Hence you wont see us crying, but adapting. 

 

It is not like YOU, AND ONLY YOU are subjected to this rule. Everyone is. 

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I wanna say, at the moment from what I can see. I like the idea.  Looks cool af.

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ACG_Vietkong
5 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

You wont see me in a bomber line, i dont know how you ACG boomers communicate your stuff, but we in the Sober Sky have already made our role divisions more or less clear based on who can do what. Hence you wont see us crying, but adapting. 

 

It is not like YOU, AND ONLY YOU are subjected to this rule. Everyone is. 

Of course everyone is subject to it. I´m only suggesting how to make it better for everyone. Not just ACGers who are able to field 15 or so active pilots, per side. This would work if there were specialisations for squadrons and squadrons communicate between each other and fly with each other on a regular basis.

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SCG_Fenris_Wolf
16 minutes ago, Bird said:

I wanna say, at the moment from what I can see. I like the idea.  Looks cool af.

Really? After talking amongst us yesterday after this meeting...

 

We were hoping for innovation instead. More diversity in target design, like how trucks, bunkers, artillery and tanks are placed and labeled (e.g. look at Finnish). We hoped for innovations and new things in mission design like more recon, hunting supplies, moving trains, or bomber raids on the maps, ships included, etc., go wild. But I did not see any of this on the menu at all on TAW now. Instead we even got less diversity and more restrictions.

 

So... we are just as sceptical as the community. We'll give it a go at first, but if it's like last TAW of low active numbers even during European evenings... I'd rather take a pistol and PK Siddy on take-off :new_russian:;)

 

 

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=GEMINI=IngegnerTommy

I don’t understand how every discussion here have to rapidly turn into RED vs BLUE and/or personal attacks.. this was actually one of the issues raised by LG during the briefing, the toxicity is so high and people seems not able or not willing to read and understand someone’s post before jumping to reply with the own personal distorted perspective which typically hardly reflect (or answer to) the original point that was being made. 
 

A point here was being made (by me and others) about how to make sure we don’t lose the big bomber wing (hell, even for somebody who exclusively fly fighter must be fun to escort or intercept those!), no need to turn that into anything more than that..

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ACG_Vietkong
3 minutes ago, =GEMINI=IngegnerTommy said:

I don’t understand how every discussion here have to rapidly turn into RED vs BLUE and/or personal attacks.. this was actually one of the issues raised by LG during the briefing, the toxicity is so high and people seems not able or not willing to read and understand someone’s post before jumping to reply with the own personal distorted perspective which typically hardly reflect (or answer to) the original point that was being made. 
 

A point here was being made (by me and others) about how to make sure we don’t lose the big bomber wing (hell, even for somebody who exclusively fly fighter must be fun to escort or intercept those!), no need to turn that into anything more than that..

^^ . Also there is the issue that flying escort will not reward you at all, unless you get a kill. In the past you at least got a CM.. Now...nada.

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Cpt_Siddy
7 minutes ago, ACG_Vietkong said:

Of course everyone is subject to it. I´m only suggesting how to make it better for everyone. Not just ACGers who are able to field 15 or so active pilots, per side. This would work if there were specialisations for squadrons and squadrons communicate between each other and fly with each other on a regular basis.

Its not like we don't have means to communicate with each other. Its just you all chose to hide in your private tree houses with no girls allowed signs. 

 

We got TAW TS, TAW discord and forums. This is not 90's, where this excuse could actually fly. I have no problem finding a merry band of men in stockings to fly with, and i am generally considered the "rude, impolite and abrasive troll" in here. If i can get all this done, then wtf are you all about, Asperger's Flight clubs united?

Unstick some big poles from your behind, have some alcohol, climb down from your high horse and socialize with your fellow pilots. Because whenever your murrican ACG jocks fly on odd hours without company, i always welcome them to our merry band. It is you and yours who have problems getting co-ordinated group going in the prime time of server. I have manged to arrange strikes among Finns, Russians and Mongolian space khagnate no problem, and i am not even officially in any "real" squad (Sober sky is more of a band)

 

In that respect, you can keep your "think of the poor children and solo guys" rhetoric to yourself. Your squad have done jack or poop to remedy that situation. 

7 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Really? After talking amongst us yesterday after this meeting...

 

We were hoping for innovation instead. More diversity in target design, like how trucks, bunkers, artillery and tanks are placed and labeled (e.g. look at Finnish). We hoped for innovations and new things in mission design like more recon, hunting supplies, moving trains, or bomber raids on the maps, ships included, etc., go wild. But I did not see any of this on the menu at all on TAW now. Instead we even got less diversity and more restrictions.

 

So... we are just as sceptical as the community. We'll give it a go at first, but if it's like last TAW of low active numbers even during European evenings... I'd rather take a pistol and PK Siddy on take-off :new_russian:;)

 

 

 

Lets give it a go, Fen. I, too, have my doubts but without actual data to show for it, there is no point in belly aching. 

And West TAW's in general have lower numbers because map is HUUUUUGE and eastern front seems more intimate and fun. 

Also, people like you are the reason why i close canopy as soon as i spawn :dry:

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ACG_Vietkong
1 minute ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Its not like we don't have means to communicate with each other. Its just you all chose to hide in your private tree houses with no girls allowed signs. 

 

We got TAW TS, TAW discord and forums. This is not 90's, where this excuse could actually fly. I have no problem finding a merry band of men in stockings to fly with, and i am generally considered the "rude, impolite and abrasive troll" in here. If i can get all this done, then wtf are you all about, Asperger's Flight clubs united?

Unstick some big poles from your behind, have some alcohol, climb down from your high horse and socialize with your fellow pilots. Because whenever your murrican ACG jocks fly on odd hours without company, i always welcome them to our merry band. It is you and yours who have problems getting co-ordinated group going in the prime time of server. I have manged to arrange strikes among Finns, Russians and Mongolian space khagnate no problem, and i am not even officially in any "real" squad (Sober sky is more of a band)

 

In that respect, you can keep your "think of the poor children and solo guys" rhetoric to yourself. Your squad have done jack or poop to remedy that situation. 

Really siddy? I think you got to check your amnesia or tone down your alcohol consumption. You don´t even remember how many times we flew with sober sky last taw. I´ll be blunt though, i don´t like flying with you. I do enjoy flying with the rest of =TH=.

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Cpt_Siddy
Just now, ACG_Vietkong said:

Really siddy? I think you got to check your amnesia or tone down your alcohol consumption. You don´t even remember how many times we flew with sober sky last taw. I´ll be blunt though, i don´t like flying with you. I do enjoy flying with the rest of =TH=.

Last TAW was a Westerns so you did not fly with TH at all. 

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ACG_HardeKoning
12 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Last TAW was a Westerns so you did not fly with TH at all. 

The only TAW that matters is EF

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-DED-GreyGoose

TAW war isn’t started yet, instead of bullshiting already started.

 =LG= Please do not start the war without testing.

Or give us more explanations.

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Cpt_Siddy
6 minutes ago, ACG_HardeKoning said:

The only TAW that matters is EF

Yeah, last East TAW 90% of you flew on blue, and there was odd 3 ACG on red side tagging along (Last East TAW was where i shot down ACG 109-G4 in IL-2 from 6km, so i remember that TAW well).  Rest of the ACG did brave assaults on red AF's on mostly empty server at 4-6 AM GMT. I had target rich environment then. 

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5 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Yeah, last East TAW 90% of you flew on blue, and there was odd 3 ACG on red side tagging along (Last East TAW was where i shot down ACG 109-G4 in IL-2 from 6km, so i remember that TAW well).  Rest of the ACG did brave assaults on red AF's on mostly empty server at 4-6 AM GMT. I had target rich environment then. 

That's incredible! you killed a G4 with an il-2, you are like a super-pilot!

Can you DM each other thank you :)

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Cpt_Siddy
Just now, PhoenixLights97 said:

That's incredible! you killed a G4 with an il-2, you are like a super-pilot!

Can you DM each other thank you :)

at 6km, it was truly a feat worthy of lulz :rofl:

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JG4_Deciman

Ok, so right now...

 

I'ld be forced to fly planes with a given setup (armor, bomb)

I'ld be unable to remove armor/bomb of there planes

I'ld get additional planes for destroying targets (according to my chosen career)

Flying support missions (transport) will NOT generate any points

 

So

why should I fly a support plane (except supporting an airfield)?

why should I fly a fighter carrying a bomb when trying to defend own positions?

why should I carry a 250kg bomb and not 4x50kg depending on what I want to attack?

why should I be forced to fly planes that make no sense on the map (or at present weather conditions)

why should I not be able to gain other planes except destroying something?

why should I not be able to change my 'career' by switching from whatever to whatever...

 

And according to the last TAW:

Whenever I got 3 CM completed I received a new plane BY RANDOM SELECTION

and in most cases it was not the plane I wanted to get

and in many cases I got an additional plane I just landed (heavily damaged - so ditched - so replaced within the next 2 maps by repair)

 

So if you want the pilots to choose the carreer

you MUST give them the option to decide WHAT plane to get when points are high enough

and you MUST NOT give them a random plane according to their chosen career (like before).

 

And about the rest of limitations/restrictions...

Nobody forces me to join the next TAW.

Maybe I'll give it a try - maybe not

Maybe I can deal with it - maybe not

Maybe you get the results that what you wanted - maybe not

 

For me it's my interrest, not my business.

So I'm I'm posting a lot of 'why should I' and a lot of 'maybe', but I don't have the answer now.

But I'm sure I'll find my answer...

 

And finally:

My respect for TAW.

You did a great job.

But I'm not able to say if the possible changes will result in an upgrade or in a desaster...

But anyways.... It is YOUR server, YOUR campaign and YOUR rules. So I'll accept any decision you make.

 

And to make this clear:

This is what I think about it.

So I am NOT talking for my squadron!

 

Regards

 

Deciman

 

 

 

 

 

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=GEMINI=IngegnerTommy
52 minutes ago, ACG_Vietkong said:

^^ . Also there is the issue that flying escort will not reward you at all, unless you get a kill. In the past you at least got a CM.. Now...nada.

Wait.. what?

 

I must have missed this from the briefing.. one the things I like in TAW is that pilot play more carefully and don’t “over extend” to get a kill, so for example a plane smoking and in bad conditions but close to friendly lines has a chance to escape as it would be risky for enemy to chase him.. this very immersive and historically accurate, and marks a significant pro of TAW against “regular servers”.  But if scoring kills is the only way to get points that’s really bad news. I hope it’s a misunderstanding 🙄

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Cpt_Siddy
1 minute ago, =GEMINI=IngegnerTommy said:

Wait.. what?

 

I must have missed this from the briefing.. one the things I like in TAW is that pilot play more carefully and don’t “over extend” to get a kill, so for example a plane smoking and in bad conditions but close to friendly lines has a chance to escape as it would be risky for enemy to chase him.. this very immersive and historically accurate, and marks a significant pro of TAW against “regular servers”.  But if scoring kills is the only way to get points that’s really bad news. I hope it’s a misunderstanding 🙄

 

If you are escort, getting your bombers home is your reward. War is team effort, statpadding pilots who bolted at the first sign of "oh no muh streak" and left bombers to dry were shot without mercy behind local chicken shack. 

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ACG_Vietkong
2 minutes ago, =GEMINI=IngegnerTommy said:

Wait.. what?

 

I must have missed this from the briefing.. one the things I like in TAW is that pilot play more carefully and don’t “over extend” to get a kill, so for example a plane smoking and in bad conditions but close to friendly lines has a chance to escape as it would be risky for enemy to chase him.. this very immersive and historically accurate, and marks a significant pro of TAW against “regular servers”.  But if scoring kills is the only way to get points that’s really bad news. I hope it’s a misunderstanding 🙄

Maybe i´m mistaken as well. I think flying around for +25min will not give you CP. If LG can confirm this that would be great.

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=GEMINI=IngegnerTommy
2 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

If you are escort, getting your bombers home is your reward. War is team effort, statpadding pilots who bolted at the first sign of "oh no muh streak" and left bombers to dry were shot without mercy behind local chicken shack. 

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Ala13_Antiguo

Hello .
From what I've read so far, I deduce that it is the mechanics of the old 46 ADW.

My question or question is the following: the pilots who fly or will fly alone, will we be able to fly in this edition?

In my case, I always exclusively fly PE2 and A20 bombers when I fly red and 111, JU88 when I fly blue, since I specialized in level bombing .... do I have a place in this edition?
I rarely use attack planes (il2, 110 ....)in TAW, as you end up destroyed too many times and all 3 lives are lost in no time.

regards

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ACG_Prancing
40 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Yeah, last East TAW 90% of you flew on blue, and there was odd 3 ACG on red side tagging along (Last East TAW was where i shot down ACG 109-G4 in IL-2 from 6km, so i remember that TAW well).  Rest of the ACG did brave assaults on red AF's on mostly empty server at 4-6 AM GMT. I had target rich environment then. 

If i remember well those 3 ACG pilots on the red side have flown for more hours then the entire blue team combined lol

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Just now, ACG_Prancing said:

If i remember well those 3 ACG pilots on the red side have flown for more hours then the entire blue team combined lol

That may be, ive mainly saw heavy ACG presence on blue side at the wee bit hours on Euro Timezone when they farmed AF's almost unopposed. The few ACG that flew reds came on at the late part of main EU TZ and stayed on few maps. When they logged off, the blue AGC usually showed up, hour or so later. This is ofc unavoidable for US timezoners in mainly EU server so im not judging anyone here, just stating the facts. 

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1/SG2_Faint

How much “historical” current planeset is ? 90% or something ? (sry for my english)

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I see mentions of "Yak-1 early" "LaGG-3 early" and "Bf 109 F-4 1.3 ata", what do these mean for the actual game?

We don't have these early planes and there is not a way to modifiy them to have the lower engine output of these planes in game.

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Cpt_Siddy
32 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

I see mentions of "Yak-1 early" "LaGG-3 early" and "Bf 109 F-4 1.3 ata", what do these mean for the actual game?

We don't have these early planes and there is not a way to modifiy them to have the lower engine output of these planes in game.

bomb racks etc... 

 

They took a page from WoL play book and went with that way. Lets see how it goes. 

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JG4_Eisbaer

If I have to fly an airplane on TAW that I don't really want to fly and then can't even remove the back armor, then all good new ideas are pointless. I hope it will be reconsidered a lot, because I don't like flying with the specifications in the planeset as in the test phase. I wish the TAW team and participating pilots good luck and fun.

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ACG_Medln
5 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

True and true. Chute kills are an actual tactical tool now. Ad-hoc raids like this need to be done in IL-2/Stukas now. 

Damn, is there any way to dodge this? Like ending the mission right after you opend up your chute, does that work? 

Also I see a lot of guys just being extremly worried about what new will come out of TAW, just be patient and let the people in LG show what they've been working on god damn!

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JG5_Schuck

I cant seem to open the google doc with the plane set and map..

Can anyone share me a link to download/view it.

Thanks

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Gentelmans...

 

Dont fight on forum.
Just wait.
If you need to discuss it meet at DC/TS and talk :)
Yesterday we were on same TS, friends and foes and no one was shouting or making sarcastic comments.

If some things will not work (at all) in this season we will make polls like before find golden middle and change it definitely.
Now You try to put pressure without any experience and knowledge how it will work. 
Where is the logic in this ? ;)

Also I understand your fears and apreciate your care.
This is a good thing because it shows your engagement in the project.

Not all of you understand how this combat system point works.
Well its similar to ADW. 
Old vets are smiling confidently, because they know how excellent impact it had on gameplay in good old days.
I understand that those "youngbloods" which started their il2 adventure can be frustrated and feel dizzy.

You used to kidergarden served by other servers. 
I want - I have.
Minimum effort - maximum fun.

Its not working like that.
With moment when you register in TAW you become Luftwaffe or VVS military pilot.


We basically kicking you all out from comfort zone so you try to defeat.
Its normal reaction.
Do not defend.

Stay with the pain, enjoy the moment
 



p.s.
There is many more features coming to this TAW ;)
But its a secret until we will be 100% sure its working.

Understand that.
We are Poles.
Straight talkers, dont care about political correction, never consider being honest as something impolite.
Also we care about what we promise and say.


Over

 

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SCG_geronim0

Question: for lines like the 2 yak lines where the later yaks are collectors planes only will their be an option to fly the earlier non collector plane like the yak 7 or will one be forced to only fly the default fighter? Mainly looking at the sokol and yak yastreb lines here with the yak 1b and yak 9.

 

edit: nvm, I misread the spreadsheet and thought the yak 1 was the default throughout the campaign 

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Cpt_Siddy
2 hours ago, Cevert said:

So, when TAW will start?

 

 

Sometime this summer. 

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-=PHX=-SuperEtendard
6 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

bomb racks etc... 

 

They took a page from WoL play book and went with that way. Lets see how it goes. 


Looks like modifications can't be forced locked in anymore, you can click them off since a good while now. At least in WoL you can do it.

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13 часов назад, =LG=Blakhart сказал:

Gentelmans...

 

Dont fight on forum.
Just wait.
If you need to discuss it meet at DC/TS and talk :)
Yesterday we were on same TS, friends and foes and no one was shouting or making sarcastic comments.

If some things will not work (at all) in this season we will make polls like before find golden middle and change it definitely.
Now You try to put pressure without any experience and knowledge how it will work. 
Where is the logic in this ? ;)

Also I understand your fears and apreciate your care.
This is a good thing because it shows your engagement in the project.

Not all of you understand how this combat system point works.
Well its similar to ADW. 
Old vets are smiling confidently, because they know how excellent impact it had on gameplay in good old days.
I understand that those "youngbloods" which started their il2 adventure can be frustrated and feel dizzy.

You used to kidergarden served by other servers. 
I want - I have.
Minimum effort - maximum fun.

Its not working like that.
With moment when you register in TAW you become Luftwaffe or VVS military pilot.


We basically kicking you all out from comfort zone so you try to defeat.
Its normal reaction.
Do not defend.

Stay with the pain, enjoy the moment
 



p.s.
There is many more features coming to this TAW ;)
But its a secret until we will be 100% sure its working.

Understand that.
We are Poles.
Straight talkers, dont care about political correction, never consider being honest as something impolite.
Also we care about what we promise and say.


Over

 

Maybe your new rules and ideas will work. But the ban on changing the pilot's specialization will spoil everything. This will lead to an outflow of pilots from the server and as a result, the server will be for 1-2 squadrons that will fly at different times and not see each other. (game with artificial intelligence online). Try it and you may be able to save the server. I wish you good luck in your endeavors. But it will be a pity if it destroys the server. PS: in my opinion, the anti-aircraft artillery on the server is weak - that's why they do not raid bombers but fighters.

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2 hours ago, Bark said:

Maybe your new rules and ideas will work. But the ban on changing the pilot's specialization will spoil everything. This will lead to an outflow of pilots from the server and as a result, the server will be for 1-2 squadrons that will fly at different times and not see each other. (game with artificial intelligence online). Try it and you may be able to save the server. I wish you good luck in your endeavors. But it will be a pity if it destroys the server. PS: in my opinion, the anti-aircraft artillery on the server is weak - that's why they do not raid bombers but fighters.

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[110]xJammer
11 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:


Looks like modifications can't be forced locked in anymore, you can click them off since a good while now. At least in WoL you can do it.

 

You can't lock-in mods, but you can check which mod the AC is being taken off with (and respectively inform/kick the player)

 

I would argue for removal of low-yield bombs (50/100kg loadouts) due to the current way the game treats direct hits from bombs (any size bomb directly hitting majority of buildings = kill). This will also allow to reduce building durability to improve the AOE of the 250/500/1000kg bombs (which currently do basically nothing on depot raids).

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