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On 10/16/2020 at 5:52 PM, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:


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"Yesterday, my squad mate Super Etendard tried to get your attention about one event involving me and LG Airon, in which the latter was shot down and killed by friendly fire. As it has already been said, it was an accident and by no means was there any disposition to deliberately attack a friendly. I have bring up evidence of what happened, and I think any impartial viewer can conclude that it was just an accident. Of course I could have seen airon approach from my low 11, but I just didn’t. And of course Airon could have seen my tracers going over him, but I assume he did not. As you can see in the video, It all happened very fast, and in fact Airon just happened to cross my sight from below for half a second, when I had already opened fire. 4 out of 5 times that would result in 3 or 4 mg hits and almost no damage, but this time Airon took at least one 20 mm round and the damage was fatal (to his airplane, as he managed to bail out only to be killed by his squad mate). I could not help it, it all happened too fast, I was firing and in the blink of an eye another plane just crossed my sight. There was nothing I could do, and of course there was no intention at all.
 

My point is: Things like this happen at least a dozen times per hour. In the heat of the combat, there are mistakes and sometimes that results in someone being killed by his own side. But that is, in my opinion, not what the server rules define as friendly killing. If we read the rules, it says clearly: “Friendly fire is forbidden. You will be banned for deliberately shooting at the team mates or friendly ground units”. In the same page that Super Etendard made my claim, you can see how another case of friendly firing is reported, one squad mate from the agressor answers, says it was not on purpose, that it was not intentional, and the dispute is quickly solved as every one understands that “This things happen and don’t deserve a ban”. I too was bounced and killed last week by one 110 that took me for an enemy, it was not an accident, it was an identification mistake, and of course I never thought that pilot should be banned, It was talked over, and nothing happened.
 

So I think my ban and the reset of my statistics are disproportionate. I did not want to hit Airon, and of course I am sorry about it, but honestly I think I don’t deserve one punishment related to an intentional behavior, because that never happened.
 

Just to be honest, I don’t think “Get over it, you should have seen him coming, cheers” is an acceptable answer. I just tried to get into the game and found that I had been banned. I was not given the opportunity to make my point before the ban, to explain myself. Now I have done so, so I think it should be fair to give it 5 minutes of your time and solve this issue. That’s all I am asking for.

Thanks for your attention"

Waiting for @=LG=Kathon response

How long is your ban for .? 

Were you the guys shooting at players in parachutes .? But killed a team mate instead . 

 

 

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Salute all. Im not sure if it is good or bad to have common forum for both sides. But I will let u all know. I DONT SHOOT BAILED PILOT AT ANY SITUATION. ...been here since 2003...Lots of shit happens when the fight is on...but when its over those who can go home or crashland or bail...whatever....

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22 hours ago, III./ZG1_HeTzeR said:

Taw strives to be realistic

Hi @III./ZG1_HeTzeR, TAW strives to be realistic, but IMO is not successful.
Mostly I saw in the documentaries, that towns were a strategic targets (airfields too, but not so often).

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I think the most interesting addition would be the ability of the players to direct tank attacks somehow instead of spawning them randomly.

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18 minutes ago, mincer said:

I think the most interesting addition would be the ability of the players to direct tank attacks somehow instead of spawning them randomly.

 

The most interesting would be to make the ground as panzer generals playground.

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On 10/17/2020 at 9:56 AM, III./ZG1_HeTzeR said:

Hey Guys, 

 

 back in ye olde days, ADW was a thing and since TAW is pretty much its legacy, I was wondering, if its possible to implement Rearm and Refuel and also Squadron relocation.(like on ADW)

 

The latter is forcing Squads to think tactical so they can only takeoff and land from their homebase, and not just switch AF´s several times inside a mission.(red side is doing one hell of a job executing big operations in this manner) 

 

So you can choose an AF for the next round to be relocated to or maybe even fly your aircraft there inside the mission itself.

 

Rearm and refuel on the other hand, just makes you value your AC even more.

 

Let me know what you think

 

PS: Im having a blast, dont get me wrong, just wanted to get rid of my 2 cents

what if your damaged and need to find the nearest AF . How would that effect returning back to your start AF. 

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27 minutes ago, KoN_ said:

what if your damaged and need to find the nearest AF . How would that effect returning back to your start AF. 

 Same as it is now, you will get it back next round

I was thinking, maybe it would be better, if you can take off from everywhere, but need to take off from where you landed, or if you dont, get the same 9min penalty you get now if you bail out, crash etc.

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18 minutes ago, III./ZG1_HeTzeR said:

 Same as it is now, you will get it back next round

I was thinking, maybe it would be better, if you can take off from everywhere, but need to take off from where you landed, or if you dont, get the same 9min penalty you get now if you bail out, crash etc.

 

This sounds interesting. I think it would not be liked in general, however.

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12 hours ago, KoN_ said:

How long is your ban for .? 

Were you the guys shooting at players in parachutes .? But killed a team mate instead . 

 

 

 

I don't know how long this player is banned

I don't know why this player is banned

 

He opened fire on an enemy airplane

A friendly airplane crossed his line of fire

The friendly airplane lost a wing, pilot bailed out

 

Up to now I'ld really say 'shit happens'

The fact of shooting a friendly airplane is

50% to the pilot who shot (and didn't realize somebody crossing his line of fire even if he could have seen him)

50% to the pilot who crossed the line of fire (and didn't realize another plane was engaging it even if he could have seen him)

 

Afterwards the bailed pilot was chute killed.

And one again I'll have to say 'shit happens'

- chute killing is NOT forbidden

 

But the only shit that happened is in fact:

We are talking about a player that seems to have been banned

for shooting a friendly plane (by accident)

and the pilot shot down was killed on his chute by a different player from his own team

and even worse: from his own SQUAD

 

The facts I do know (posted here by a teammate from the insulted and punished player)

for me look like there is only 1 fair solution.

 

Either BOTH pilots are punished in the same way (banning and resetting stats) for friendly fire

or NONE of them (means reinstalling the stats for the only punished player, unbanning him AND posting it here)

 

Deci

 

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On 10/14/2020 at 11:35 PM, =19GvFAB=Vlad-Executor said:

Not only that, but also super-heavy titanium armor on emils (не только это облегчает жизнь синим, но и супер-тяжёлая титановая броня эмилей)

:)

 

 

I16 SHKAS vs Titanium Emil's Armor Set
 

p.s: The Adeptus Mechanic wants to get Standard Template Construct of this dreadnought ;)

 

 

That should not be happening ..!!! That is crazy .. Devs need too see this ... 😆

Just three hits from a 109 and your out of the game .  .. 🥵

But yes distance will have some thing to do with it . But watching this its endless hits . 

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5 minutes ago, Cathaoir said:

Are nav lights allowed on the U2 when doing supply runs?

Why do you want to have those even?

You can do what ever you want with the U2.

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I was asking just about supply runs not a normal combat run....it's a mod to the plane so I asked.  And I do know I do not need them....

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I have learned that to enjoy this server as it was intended, I really just need behave as I would in my profession: Fly safely from one friendly field to another and treat the front line is if it is radioactive.  I am ok with that.  I like going from one place to another in relative safety.  And the I-16 is a wonderful toy for fast travel and light aerobatics.  But it is not for tangling with coordinated 109s.  Nor is the MiG.  Not complaining.  I love the server now that I know how to exist within it. The key is not to risk one's hide and to enjoy the show from a distance.  Thanks for making it happen!

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Haha, that plane limit is a great thing, make you value your virtual life a bit more, especially if you want to get better aircraft after the first map. But yeah, team flight is of course the way to go against the enemy wings.

 

This server is my favorite past time and I watch TAW map every day several times how the war is going.

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2 hours ago, SmokinHole said:

I have learned that to enjoy this server as it was intended, I really just need behave as I would in my profession: Fly safely from one friendly field to another and treat the front line is if it is radioactive.  I am ok with that.  I like going from one place to another in relative safety.  And the I-16 is a wonderful toy for fast travel and light aerobatics.  But it is not for tangling with coordinated 109s.  Nor is the MiG.  Not complaining.  I love the server now that I know how to exist within it. The key is not to risk one's hide and to enjoy the show from a distance.  Thanks for making it happen!

Lol 

So true . 

 

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@Inkompetentposted it already on the  discord, but I just post it here for the record:

The Bf 109 F-2 cant equip the centerline 20mm MG 151.

This is either a bug on the server (mod wrongfully locked) or is not documented in the planeset, where the 20mm is not marked as excluded.
I would like to see this fixed either way. Preferably enabling the 20mm because the 15mm is only nice for tickling IL2s and Pe2. They laugh quite considerably when i attack them.

They laugh so hard that they sometimes hit trees in the egress. 

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10 minutes ago, DerSheriff said:

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@Inkompetentposted it already on the  discord, but I just post it here for the record:

The Bf 109 F-2 cant equip the centerline 20mm MG 151.

This is either a bug on the server (mod wrongfully locked) or is not documented in the planeset, where the 20mm is not marked as excluded.
I would like to see this fixed either way. Preferably enabling the 20mm because the 15mm is only nice for tickling IL2s and Pe2. They laugh quite considerably when i attack them.

They laugh so hard that they sometimes hit trees in the egress. 

 

20mm in F2 are disabled. Kathon will update planeset soon.

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6 minutes ago, =LG=todeskvlt said:

 

20mm in F2 are disabled. Kathon will update planeset soon.

 What about Sc1000 in Ju88? It only states SC1800 is forbidden

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15 minutes ago, =LG=todeskvlt said:

 

20mm in F2 are disabled. Kathon will update planeset soon.

 

 

Was it from the beginning of the map No2?

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1 hour ago, =LG=todeskvlt said:

 

20mm in F2 are disabled. Kathon will update planeset soon.

I really cant see any reason for this..

Emil has 2 x 20mm cannons,

the F2 is a killer with only one 20mm?

the Mig doesn't  have 2 x 20mm cannons?

With this point of view you had to remove FWs from future maps becuase they have much more fire power than yaks and migs..

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10 minutes ago, KG200_Achilleus said:

I really cant see any reason for this..

Emil has 2 x 20mm cannons,

the F2 is a killer with only one 20mm?

the Mig doesn't  have 2 x 20mm cannons?

With this point of view you had to remove FWs from future maps becuase they have much more fire power than yaks and migs..

 

Because blue side have to cry on forum too ;)

 

Is not up to me.

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58 minutes ago, =LG=todeskvlt said:

 

Because blue side have to cry on forum too ;)

46 minutes ago, =L/R=Rafcio said:

According to wikipedia, MG 151/15 was replaced by MG 151/20 at the end of 1941. So in the autumn, the Bf-109 F2 has 15mm. And that's all.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_151

So all other planeset is 100% historically accurate, and for 2 months F2s nose cannon is not?According to wikipedia also, migs,yaks,laggs,and la5s had only 650-680 klm dive speeds and not 750-780..

i guess this is made for “cry” reasons also isn't it?

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15mm F2 is sometimes a pain, but I'm all for it if it fits the historical/realism vision for the server. Tbh one thing i miss on the plane set is the Yak-9 and the Yak-9T

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1 minute ago, SCG_Faerber said:

it fits the historical/realism vision for the server

 

Historical/realism somehow cant always  fit 100% when leaderboards between players and teams are there, this is a game anyway.

Generally speaking, nothing to do with F2s nose cannon.

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7 minutes ago, KG200_Achilleus said:

 

Historical/realism somehow cant always  fit 100% when leaderboards between players and teams are there, this is a game anyway.

Generally speaking, nothing to do with F2s nose cannon.

True, but it fits the vision of the server right? Personally would be nice to have the leaderboards just show at the end of every campaign, players having to keep tally themselves if they want to know, but thats just me

 

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21 hours ago, KG200_Achilleus said:

 

Historical/realism somehow cant always  fit 100% when leaderboards between players and teams are there, this is a game anyway.

Generally speaking, nothing to do with F2s nose cannon.

I don't mind having all kinds of servers but I think we have more than enough "esport" servers. Please, leave pure simmers like me a single server which is somehow historically correct.)) It's still not what we need but the only such server we have.

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10 hours ago, SCG_Faerber said:

True, but it fits the vision of the server right? Personally would be nice to have the leaderboards just show at the end of every campaign, players having to keep tally themselves if they want to know, but thats just me

 

This might actually make some people engage targets in stead of doing circles . 

 

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You know that feeling, when you are flying after sunset in VR, escorting 8 Peshkas to clear out resupply depo at the end of the mission timer in double layer clouds?  

 

I do. 

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6 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

You know that feeling, when you are flying after sunset in VR, escorting 8 Peshkas to clear out resupply depo at the end of the mission timer in double layer clouds?  

 

I do. 

Yes its a great sight to see when it all works out right and you make it back home  . 

 

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