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I know its maybe not the most realistic thing, but I would love to have a TAW that goes all the way from the beginnings of the Eastern front and right to the end of the war in 1945 on the western front. Might be too long of a campaign though.

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10 hours ago, SCG_Gustav_Hagel said:

Did a JaBo mission on a Fw 190 D-9, my single 500kg with 5sec delay didn't explode, I dropped too low, almost about 20 meters above the ground though, I don't know if that might be the explanation.

With a delay you can drop low 

I’ve been playing this game from beginning the Russian bombing you can not be to low because of fuse won’t arm. Early days. 
But axis you can go low and skip bombing on ships now that’s low. 
sounds like there is bug or maybe we have missed some thing in new patch. 
On other server same altitude roughly same angle my bombs 💣 hit and explode. 

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1 hour ago, RedKestrel said:

I know its maybe not the most realistic thing, but I would love to have a TAW that goes all the way from the beginnings of the Eastern front and right to the end of the war in 1945 on the western front. Might be too long of a campaign though.

Throw in 2 maps of Flying Circus first for good measure for the full Il2 content round-trip ;)

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Just wanted to spend a moment to thank the TAW team, this one has been personally the most fun i've had in a TAW edition despite the limited (game) planeset on the western front, and i'm pretty sure when i say the feeling is shared by my GEMINI teammates as well as many other players we've been sharing flights with.

 

I'm still of the idea that even with this small choice of planes (and maybe including something earlier such as Spit V and 109 early Gs) the western front TAW could be stretched to 4 maps reaching almost a full-lenght format, and as further preparation for the coming of BoN, but this is just my two cents.

 

Finally, i would be extremely happy if there's any way to get some information upfront about what's coming next, e.g. to know if you're planning to roll an estern front TAW right after this one or so, also to plan accordingly with my squadron. I don't think i need to mention that not only (anymore) just us Italians but more and more people from the other countries are currently stuck at home, and at least TAW provides a very immersive way out of this unpleasant reality.

 

Grazie Ragazzi! 

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4 hours ago, Riksen said:

 

Will he be allowed to keep his 10 AK streak after that one? Clearly the Wehraboo disco so he would not die with the control lock.


Yes, but that’s ok, we won’t see him for a while anyway: replacing that hastily cut internet cable when all the non-essential stores are closed won’t be easy for him.

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35 minutes ago, WokeUpDead said:


Yes, but that’s ok, we won’t see him for a while anyway: replacing that hastily cut internet cable when all the non-essential stores are closed won’t be easy for him.

I just imagine him with a 30cm knife under the desk hastily cutting everything.

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1 hour ago, DerSheriff said:

I just imagine him with a 30cm knife under the desk hastily cutting everything.

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I thought this would happen, but I didn't expect to find it quite so easily.

 

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In case anyone is interested, i think 262 availability should be made so, that you can fly one once every 3 maps.

 

Available 1 map, then 2 map of "maintenance". This way you don't need to limit the actual plane numbers on the back fields. 

 

I dont know if this is something TAW's current script support, but assuming you can exclude accounts with less than 10h flight time to discourage making new accounts, this could be more elegant solution than just limit the planes. 

 

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1 hour ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

In case anyone is interested, i think 262 availability should be made so, that you can fly one once every 3 maps.

 

Available 1 map, then 2 map of "maintenance". This way you don't need to limit the actual plane numbers on the back fields. 

 

I dont know if this is something TAW's current script support, but assuming you can exclude accounts with less than 10h flight time to discourage making new accounts, this could be more elegant solution than just limit the planes. 

 

I think it should just be excluded from TAW. Everyone with a common sense knows the Me 262 cannot be balanced with availability. No allied plane can destroy a Me 262 if the pilot knows that speed is life. The emergency speed of the Me 262 is the never exceed speed of the Tempest which has the highest never exceed speed on the allied side. How can someone think this can be balanced?

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4 minutes ago, JuliMonkey said:

I think it should just be excluded from TAW. Everyone with a common sense knows the Me 262 cannot be balanced with availability. No allied plane can destroy a Me 262 if the pilot knows that speed is life. The emergency speed of the Me 262 is the never exceed speed of the Tempest which has the highest never exceed speed on the allied side. How can someone think this can be balanced?

 

 

It does not need to be balanced. There is certain cadre of space-a-holes who like to fly it, and then there there is rest of people who fly pistons. Having 262 on cool down will limit the most prolific 262 jockeys while allowing odd player who wants to fly one every now a then a shot at flying one. 

TAW is not about balance, stop trying to use that argument as if it holds any value in here. 

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29 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

It does not need to be balanced. There is certain cadre of space-a-holes who like to fly it, and then there there is rest of people who fly pistons. Having 262 on cool down will limit the most prolific 262 jockeys while allowing odd player who wants to fly one every now a then a shot at flying one. 

TAW is not about balance, stop trying to use that argument as if it holds any value in here. 

My perception of TAW is about having a fair, hardcore and ongoing tactical campaign. Historical accuracy is great! I also love it when historical accuracy can be accomplished in a game, but historical accuracy dosn‘t mean balance. So we have to find a compromise between both. Thats why planes have modifications excluded on certain maps. However the Me 262 even with modifications excluded and in low numbers still has such a high combat power that in my opinion it should be excluded.

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3 hours ago, Alonzo said:

I thought this would happen, but I didn't expect to find it quite so easily.

 

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Now that’s playing the game.  Lol 

 

I wonder how many 262s are vulchering the AF.  Lol 😆 
 

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Have any of the allies already managed to shoot down Me262 on TAW?

Tell us about this experience

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18 hours ago, DerSheriff said:


Oh I think western front is fantastic, but TAW needs some planeset adjustment to make it more interesting for me. Personally speaking.

This^^^

I barely fly since there is no Spit!

 

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I noticed something in sortie results that I haven't noticed before, I hope someone can explain a couple of things to me. I screenshoted SCG_FeuerFliegen's sorties here (http://taw-server.de/pilot.php?name=SCG_FeuerFliegen), but I have seen this in other pilots' sortie summaries too:

 

In the second sortie from the top, why was a FW-190 A-8 Jabo awarded despite being killed in that sortie? At first I thought it's a plane recovered after a ditch, but I don't see a record of a ditch in previous sorties. It's not a +1 plane either. Similar question about the Dora awarded in the seventh sortie from the top.

 

Second question: what's the difference between a +1CM and a +1CM NA?

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If you already have all the machines in the hangar, you get CM NA instead of CM. It means as if you were storing your CM. If you lose the machine then you get it right away. Only one time. Later you must collect CM again. 

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23 hours ago, =L/R=todeskvlt said:

Rammjager what happend? 😄

 

 

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Siddy, i must disagree with u, practically all TAW is a constant balance evolution.

 

 And M262 must be out .... is too much advantage in our fictional scenario.

 

Extend to 4 maps on western is a good idea

 

Planetset need more love ... is a punishment for allied side.

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15 hours ago, Alonzo said:

I thought this would happen, but I didn't expect to find it quite so easily.

 

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Imagine farming Me-262s for hours, then flying one for an hour and a half and only getting two kills with it. D:

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At the very least you can't handle the 262 like any other aircraft. You want it in TAW then you must have a lot of special rules to it.

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Maybe create a system that is dependent on both pilot's rank and hangar availability so we can ensure access is somewhat restricted and, in addition, limit to only a few planes per mission?

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3 hours ago, =LG=Coldman said:

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Reporting first me262 kill :)

 

You deserve a medal.

 

54 minutes ago, Riksen said:

Maybe create a system that is dependent on both pilot's rank and hangar availability so we can ensure access is somewhat restricted and, in addition, limit to only a few planes per mission?

 

I don't understand why ensuring the limited 262s are only flown by cyborgs with years(decades?) of practice is supposed to be appealing to me or anyone else other than those same cyborgs.

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1 hour ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

 

You deserve a medal.

 

 

I don't understand why ensuring the limited 262s are only flown by cyborgs with years(decades?) of practice is supposed to be appealing to me or anyone else other than those same cyborgs.

 

I understand but IMHO we should not completely remove the plane from the plane set. Although balance is important, some degree of history should also be part of TAW. The 262 was very much in action during that time, although mainly as a bomber interceptor, and should be in the line up. However, the numbers should be very limited like 2-3 per mission and, if those are lost, they could only be replinished during the next mission or something. Either way, I dont envy the job of the TAW developers. You cannot really please everyone at all times ... The question right now is: is TAW about balance, history, or a mix of both? The answer to this question should, therefore, determine what happens to the 262.

 

Thank for the civil discussion @7.GShAP/Silas

 

Cheers

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All this 262 non-sense ,  its here , The Devs put it in game , so it should be flown .

To be honest the 262 isnt making much impact on the maps , i dont see any high scoring 262 Aces here or any mass impact on the game / server  .

I could say the the same with the P-51 with its g-suit and no energy lost , Or the invisible planes that appear and disappear in the blue sky . 

 Just go and enjoy the server if you can get on .  There are far more things that need fixing in the game its self ,  than a 262 on a map . 

The visibility just sucks in this game now . Like some one has said they screwed it up and its back to front . 🤭

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TANK movements

I flew towards the target close to Hengelo grid 0623 and found nothing , i noticed 2 huge craters in the target area .The target also has 2 arrows pointing towards Hengelo and Enschede as the tanks attack route . I circled the whole area but found nothing . I understood that the tanks on the map do not move  , they are static .

1) was there still tanks in the target area and therefore the icon was not removed ?

2) did any of the surviving tanks follow the route as indicated by the arrows and stop somewhere ?

    

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1 hour ago, KoN_ said:

All this 262 non-sense ,  its here , The Devs put it in game , so it should be flown .

To be honest the 262 isnt making much impact on the maps , i dont see any high scoring 262 Aces here or any mass impact on the game / server  .

I could say the the same with the P-51 with its g-suit and no energy lost , Or the invisible planes that appear and disappear in the blue sky . 

 Just go and enjoy the server if you can get on .  There are far more things that need fixing in the game its self ,  than a 262 on a map . 

The visibility just sucks in this game now . Like some one has said they screwed it up and its back to front . 🤭

Indeed I've noticed that. I flew myself in a 262 and the only time it does have an impact is when the red side is in low numbers or there are 2-3 262s coordinating in comms. For the rest you have only 262s entering in Mach Tuck and dogfighting other fighters (getting themselves killed). I don't agree though with 6 262s being available at once, or how easy it is to get one.

 

Btw, not only the Germans need balance as currently P-38s, although they apparently have low survivability, are dominating the bombing targets compared to germans, bombload is a huge limiting factor for the german push. I'm not an expert on Allies side, but was the P-38 extensively used for bombing missions in 1944/45? And for map #1, wouldn't it be more historically suitable to substitute P-38s by P-47s as a ground attack plane?

 

Am I the only one that noticed it or it seems that are little random AAA in the map compared to Stalingrad and Moscow? I was expecting much more Flak around the map, since Bodenplatte is a high populated area.

 

@=LG=Kathon I believe the fuel valve on 262 is not yet locked.

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1 hour ago, KoN_ said:

All this 262 non-sense ,  its here , The Devs put it in game , so it should be flown .

To be honest the 262 isnt making much impact on the maps , i dont see any high scoring 262 Aces here or any mass impact on the game / server  .

I could say the the same with the P-51 with its g-suit and no energy lost , Or the invisible planes that appear and disappear in the blue sky . 

 Just go and enjoy the server if you can get on .  There are far more things that need fixing in the game its self ,  than a 262 on a map . 

The visibility just sucks in this game now . Like some one has said they screwed it up and its back to front . 🤭

 

I agree. On the one hand, the only time I got shot down so far in this campaign, other than a ram, was by a 262. On the other hand, it was because I insisted on strafing the same target, alone, for several minutes; a 262 wouldn't have been needed to bounce me. And that's the only time I encountered a 262; their limited availability and distance to the front line seems to be working as intended.

 

I think the reds have a slightly better overall plane-set in a Bodenplatte campaign. In the Tempest, P-51, and P-38 they have three planes that can hit ground targets almost as hard as bombers, and once bombs are dropped they become fighters that can out-turn anything they can't out-run.

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1 hour ago, adler_68 said:

TANK movements

Tanks do not move during the mission (trains and ships if they do not also). They're exactly where the icon indicates. Two options. The first as a column on the road, when they are far from the city / airfield being attacked, or the second option, when they are in the so-called combat formation (dispersed) when they are in close proximity to their target. Then they are usually accompanied by artillery supporting them.

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1 hour ago, SCG_Gustav_Hagel said:

I'm not an expert on Allies side, but was the P-38 extensively used for bombing missions in 1944/45? And for map #1, wouldn't it be more historically suitable to substitute P-38s by P-47s as a ground attack plane?

 

In the ETO the P-38s were moved from the Eighth Air Force to the Ninth Air Force, for tactical low-altitude work.

 

"Equipped with P-38s, 367th pilots entered combat in May, 1944, flying fighter sweeps and bomber escort missions from England while warming up for their principal assignment, dive bombing and low level strafing attacks in support of Allied ground troops during the 1944-45 campaigns in Northwestern Europe."  The Dynamite Gang, The 367th Fighter Group in World War II, Richard Groh, page 9

 

Here is a photo of Major Robert Rogers, C.O. of the 392nd Fighter Squadron, 367th Fighter Group, with his P-38, at St. Quentin in October, 1944:

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Falkenstein said:

 

In the ETO the P-38s were moved from the Eighth Air Force to the Ninth Air Force, for tactical low-altitude work.

 

"Equipped with P-38s, 367th pilots entered combat in May, 1944, flying fighter sweeps and bomber escort missions from England while warming up for their principal assignment, dive bombing and low level strafing attacks in support of Allied ground troops during the 1944-45 campaigns in Northwestern Europe."  The Dynamite Gang, The 367th Fighter Group in World War II, Richard Groh, page 9

 

Here is a photo of Major Robert Rogers, C.O. of the 392nd Fighter Squadron, 367th Fighter Group, with his P-38, at St. Quentin in October, 1944:

 

 

 

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Is it just 367th? What about the P-47s squadrons doing low altitude ground attacks?

 

I'd love some sources since I'm completey ignorant about USAAF and RAF squads.

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26 minutes ago, SCG_Gustav_Hagel said:

Is it just 367th? What about the P-47s squadrons doing low altitude ground attacks?

 

It was not just the 367th, it was the Ninth Air Force, it was the Ninth Air Force's mission to support the ground forces.  The 367th is a Ninth's P-38 Fighter Group that I used their unit history, and nose art documentation, to show the role of the P-38s that you were asking about. 

 

I don't understand your question about the P-47 squadrons with the Ninth Air Force also doing ground attacks.  My understanding is the Ninth had two P-51 fighter groups, three P-38 groups (nine P-38 squadrons in the three groups), the rest of the fighter groups flew P-47s.  

 

3 hours ago, SCG_Gustav_Hagel said:

I'm not an expert on Allies side, but was the P-38 extensively used for bombing missions in 1944/45? And for map #1, wouldn't it be more historically suitable to substitute P-38s by P-47s as a ground attack plane?

 

Yes, the P-38 was extensively used for bombing missions in 1944/45, for TAW map #1 it is not more historically suitable to substitute P-38s by P-47s as a ground attack plane, based on the historical documentation that I've seen, as the 367th Fighter Group information shows.

 

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Edit to add that three groups of P-38s is nine squadrons

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1 hour ago, Falkenstein said:

 

It was not just the 367th, it was the Ninth Air Force, it was the Ninth Air Force's mission to support the ground forces.  The 367th is a Ninth's P-38 Fighter Group that I used their unit history, and nose art documentation, to show the role of the P-38s that you were asking about. 

 

I don't understand your question about the P-47 squadrons with the Ninth Air Force also doing ground attacks.  My understanding is the Ninth had two P-51 fighter groups, three P-38 groups (nine P-38 squadrons in the three groups), the rest of the fighter groups flew P-47s.  

 

 

Yes, the P-38 was extensively used for bombing missions in 1944/45, for TAW map #1 it is not more historically suitable to substitute P-38s by P-47s as a ground attack plane, based on the historical documentation that I've seen, as the 367th Fighter Group information shows.

 

I was just curious about how extensively P-38s were used compared to P-47s for ground attack, my small knowledge akes me believe the P-47s were assigned in greater numbers. Seems like the  367th Fighter Group converted to P-47s in 1945.

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4 hours ago, =L/R=Rafcio said:

Tanks do not move during the mission (trains and ships if they do not also). They're exactly where the icon indicates. Two options. The first as a column on the road, when they are far from the city / airfield being attacked, or the second option, when they are in the so-called combat formation (dispersed) when they are in close proximity to their target. Then they are usually accompanied by artillery supporting them.

I’m guessing that no moving targets is a server restitution. 

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Ran runs on our AF and then did a Disco once we got him.  Please address him. 

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3 hours ago, SCG_Gustav_Hagel said:

I was just curious about how extensively P-38s were used compared to P-47s for ground attack, my small knowledge akes me believe the P-47s were assigned in greater numbers. Seems like the  367th Fighter Group converted to P-47s in 1945.

 

In May of 1944 the 9th Air Force had 18 Fighter Groups (not including the P-61 night fighters), roughly equal in size to an RAF Wing or Luftwaffe Gruppe.  13 of these FG's flew the P-47 through the end of the war (36th, 48th, 50th, 358th, 362nd, 365th, 366th, 368th, 371st, 373rd, 404th, 405th, and 406th Fighter Groups).  The 354th and 363rd Fighter Group both flew P-51s, but in September, the 363rd was converted to a recon unit (which made for a total of 3 recon groups, roughly similar to a fighter group, and flying a mix of P-51s and P-38s in F-6 and F-5 trim).  The 354th was converted to the P-47 in November of 44 and then converted back to the P-51 in February of 1945.  One additional P-47 group was transferred from the 12th Air Force (based in Italy) in November of 1944, the 324th FG.  3 Fighter Groups operated the P-38, the 367th, 370th and 474th.  The 367th converted to P-47s in February of 1945.  The 370th converted to P-51s in March of 1945.  The 474th kept their Lightnings for the duration of the war.

 

All four of the 8th Air Force groups flying P-38s had converted to P-51s by the middle of September 1944.  The 8th AF was actually heavily involved over our Rheinland map, particularly during Market-Garden and the Ardennes battle, but wouldn't have flown any P-38s, and would have been focused on air to air and strafing.  I don't have an exact number of fighter bomber missions they flew during the time period, but it was extremely low.

 

So yes, P-47s were by far the majority of US fighter bombers in the ETO.  By comparison the RAF 2nd TAF had 5 squadrons of Tempests (3 squadrons being equal to a US group) and 7 of Spit XIVs, vs 22 Typhoon and 23 Spit IX/XVI on Dec 27th 1944.  So P-38s were roughly in the ball park of the Tempest and Spit XIV in terms of numbers.

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16 minutes ago, KW_1979 said:

So yes, P-47s were by far the majority of US fighter bombers in the ETO.

 

My take on the greater numbers of the P-47 in the Ninth Air Force is why the TAW plane set has the P-47 as +1 on the first map, and no restriction on ground attack ordnance.  Similarly, TAW has +1 on the A-20B for ground attack on both maps, but not the P-38.  (From what I've seen, the Ninth Air Force had eight B-26 medium bomber groups, and three A-20G light bombardment groups.  They didn't fly B-25s, which the British Second Tactical Air Force did.)

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