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37 minutes ago, =/Hospiz/=MetalHead said:

And still you bothered to reply... as you do every time. You've even posted a "proof", it's a pity it is worth nothing - it's the end of a mission, players tend to quit sever if there's not much time to fly again. It's funny, you are very biased when interpreting facts, choosing only those that suit your point of view and completely ignoring and negating the rest. Whining on the forum became your specialty, you are really proficient in that activity.

Now look at your very own signature. Hypocrite - that is correct word for someone like you. Oh, I've recently heard from my squadmates, you disconnected when you were chased. So you are also a coward. Hypocrite and coward - you have lost any respect I had for you, as I have respect for other human beings, but you are no longer a human being for me, and I will not treat you as one, for you are a creature that insults human race by pretending to be called human  You are an abomination called Chimango.

 

Hahahahahaha thank you, i love you too weirdo; get well. And btw i never posted that pict, went there by mistake. Dunno where you got it from; check my message the one you quote.

 

The abomination called Chimango 😂😂😂

 

56 minutes ago, =LG=Coldman said:

and yet you comment :P


Language issues, your simplification seems so shallow it doesn't deserve further discussion other than just that line. 😉

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Nah, Chimi - we're all good. It's not perfect... And what would you have us do? It's a scheduled flight night? Sometimes we go to the "other" server if there isn't anything to do? The issue is that people are fickle, and want to win instead of just fly. It will be just the opposite when either the VVS get better planes, or the Bodenplatte campaign gets run. I personally suck at fighters, so that is why I got shot down, although I didn't see anything coming (my fault), but I guess it was that way in real life anyway. Germans were outnumbered in that one, as opposed to your latest statistic, so we flew fighters for a change. We as a squad had a directive to fly German this TAW - next one may be different. But why the people aren't showing to fly VVS on these early maps aren't really an issue of us, just the community. I personally would rather fly instead of NOT fly. Don't talk down to people who just want to fly. If no one is on, we either a). leave, or b). turn it into a training night. I don't really care what your motives are for flying, but don't lump everyone together if their views are different than your. Is 15:3 fun? Not really, unless you are a bomber who has a 50% chance of not making it back every mission. The fighter escort guys have got to be bored stiff, I know. But the one thing we CAN agree on is the pilot sniping. Seems like a lot of one bullet kills, which makes it not fun either.

 

Tell your VVS people to actually show up? It's a weird group where no one flies. I hope the novelty of the new aircraft wear off so they come back, but I'm not holding my breath.

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On 12/22/2019 at 5:47 PM, WokeUpDead said:

 

The sources for all those quotes are right the article's references.

 

You never use absolute terms? What is this: "Shooting down pilots was not part of the actual war." That seems absolute to me. 

 

You follow that by "among pilots there was a code," but it's clear that the code was ignored often and by all sides, and so if you want to "reenact WWII combat" then chute killing is part of it.

 

I'd like to stop calling you pompous, but that last sentence is almost a definition of it. Thank you for the "credit," sire.

 

Could you at least try to read through your own article. It support m position, not yours. It states isolated events while emphasize the behavior was considered dishonorable by both sides which is exactly what I had stated from the very beginning. 

 

 

On 12/22/2019 at 7:18 PM, Raven109 said:

 

You have a funny way of "recognizing" different kinds of players. In some parts of the world, this is called looking down upon people, and insulting them. So much for my "silly assumption"... I'm not gonna discuss the rest of your last post addressed to me. It's like you quoted me and then answered something else. Totally unrelated. I never said anything about 1 v 4 not being realistic, etc.... 

 

 

@IV./JG51-Anton_Hafner, do you see the irony of your statements? "Somewhere there is a photo"? Is that supposed to be proof?

 

You cherry pick a photo to base your belief that bad things didn't happen during Total War. Even if the photo exists (<<somewhere>>, as you scientifically put it), one occurrence does not a rule make.

 

Just for laughs, @IV./JG51-Anton_Hafner what's the difference between chute killing and strafing. Is it ok to do one, but not the other? You seem to differentiate between the two, is it just so you can "win" the debate?

 

When you answer, please try to address what I wrote, not something that you invented, like your last post to me.

 

I never used any absolute terms. I never said never happened only that the act itself was dishonorable by those that fought. I only differentiated between combatants parachuting being shot by ground troops from pilots targeting down pilots. 

 

As far as i am concern your comments were addressed. You want to be able to shoot down down pilots and you think it was "cool" to do so based on the fact it was done in isolated and contentious reports. If you want to reenact an immoral act under the idea that this is just a game, then you gong to have accept that people re going to think of you as an immoral person because that is exactly what the pilots and commander thought of those sorts of pilots. 

On 12/22/2019 at 6:49 AM, Raven109 said:

It's like driving, it exposes your personality, your way of looking at other people.
If you choose to play simulators you choose to have as close simulation of real life as possible, with everything that comes with it.
The guy decided to shoot an unarmed, defenceless guy sitting on the ground posing no threats at all to him. From my point of view, 
by shooting the man in my position it's like fulfilling his ego to humiliate a person who can't protect himself by using the advantage of this position.

The above statement says it all! 

 

On a side note, driving exposing your personality is a weird thing to say. LOL  

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22 minutes ago, 666GIAP_Chimango said:

 

Hahahahahaha thank you, i love you too weirdo; get well. And btw i never posted that pict, went there by mistake. Dunno where you got it from; check my message the one you quote.

 

The abomination called Chimango 😂😂😂

 


Language issues, your simplification seems so shallow it doesn't deserve further discussion other than just that line. 😉

You are just a little hungry troll who i'll not feed again. It seems that You get more satisfaction from trolling on forum or game chat when your side is loosing and you can't bare it so you channeling your anger to everyone that is saying anything here on forum...me for example or my not perfect english writing skills. i'm so sorry that my languageskills are  not worth your reply. See You in the sky. hope You will encourage your side to fly more than discourage enemy side to fly because they can and want to.😬

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50 minutes ago, SCG_Schneemann said:

Nah, Chimi - we're all good. It's not perfect... And what would you have us do? It's a scheduled flight night? Sometimes we go to the "other" server if there isn't anything to do? The issue is that people are fickle, and want to win instead of just fly. It will be just the opposite when either the VVS get better planes, or the Bodenplatte campaign gets run. I personally suck at fighters, so that is why I got shot down, although I didn't see anything coming (my fault), but I guess it was that way in real life anyway. Germans were outnumbered in that one, as opposed to your latest statistic, so we flew fighters for a change. We as a squad had a directive to fly German this TAW - next one may be different. But why the people aren't showing to fly VVS on these early maps aren't really an issue of us, just the community. I personally would rather fly instead of NOT fly. Don't talk down to people who just want to fly. If no one is on, we either a). leave, or b). turn it into a training night. I don't really care what your motives are for flying, but don't lump everyone together if their views are different than your. Is 15:3 fun? Not really, unless you are a bomber who has a 50% chance of not making it back every mission. The fighter escort guys have got to be bored stiff, I know. But the one thing we CAN agree on is the pilot sniping. Seems like a lot of one bullet kills, which makes it not fun either.

 

See, you here talk respectfully, then i reply the same way. All good man, i understand what you say. Maybe i'm a bit cranky lately after last patch , also the nerfing by TAW of VVS fighter planeset doesn't help too; and we were having a nice campaign but by map #5 probably some people got tired of those issues mentioned: degraded turn rate, uber effects of HE rounds, lower numbers, etc. 
 

42 minutes ago, =LG=Coldman said:

You are just a little hungry troll who i'll not feed again. It seems that You get more satisfaction from trolling on forum or game chat when your side is loosing and you can't bare it so you channeling your anger to everyone that is saying anything here on forum...me for example or my not perfect english writing skills. i'm so sorry that my languageskills are  not worth your reply. See You in the sky. hope You will encourage your side to fly more than discourage enemy side to fly because they can and want to.😬

 

Funny you call me a troll after you say "reds abandon TAW when they see they lose". Again, people interpreting with their feet instead of their brains, writing nonesense in an agressive way, and then expect to be treated respectfully. I never said anything about your language skills, but mine. Are you serious? I was talking that because of my bad use of the words i didn't explain myself in that line, you get it now? 

And yes, I can troll very well when provoked, and that made me gain a lot of "special friends". I can live with that very well!

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6 hours ago, 666GIAP_Chimango said:


Oh no, this time they won’t. 
 

Ps. Olbi, you “bright” thing, where did i ever mention to switch sides? Your text reading is even worse than your flying.

Haha...

You challenged blue team once for a duel in the server, when I agreed and were on my way to meet you, you cowardly left the server. Actually, you checked in my stat what plane I was flying and it seemed you felt loosing it. Nice try to talk about my skills.

I also recall you insulted another player who killed you while you flew Lagg saying he had no skills either. He asked you to go to Berloga and prove it in a combat but you never replied.

How about this... let's meet at Berloga and do some duels. Then you can talk about my skills in this forum; otherwise, you are just a silly liar and coward!

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Very nice fairy tale, nothing of this is true. Berloga? let me LMAO!

Yeah, you'll be very successfull in Berloga...not here=> https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=60274&name=Olbi_LW

Duels are to air combat, what masturbation is to sex.

I already know which one you prefer 😁

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20 minutes ago, 666GIAP_Chimango said:

Very nice nobel, nothing of this is true. Berloga? let me LMAO!

Duels are to air combat, what masturbation is to sex.

I already know which one you prefer 😁

Nice, that's what I thought.  In the server's chat you cried to have a chance to fight 1v1 which seemed from your point of view as a fair fight.

Now you call it masturbation)))

You prefer to hide behind your company and team mates, and insult people knowing you are safe.

Good job. At least now it's obvious who you are: coward and hypocrite! No more wasting time talking to you.

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1 hour ago, Olbi said:

You prefer to hide behind your company and team mates, and insult people knowing you are safe.


Yep, that's why i usually join missions when is 14-3 againsty us, on my own. You got it! Keep trying harder greenhorn, you will fail...just like you do in this server. 😂

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8 hours ago, WG_Magners said:

So what do you suggest? Not to fly when you see your team has numeric advantage?

I for example so and do. If I see that my team is winning and now in the majority, then I find myself another matter. Why waste time on it, we're already winning. But such situations are very rare recently. But of course this is a personal matter. In this campaign, the auto balance is much worse than the previous one. When the big squad comes, it is not limited by anything. All airfields are working, the enemy side is not overflowing

8 hours ago, 666GIAP_Chimango said:


Oh no, this time they won’t. 

Unfortunately they have already done so. And the map of Kuban is very difficult for the red side because of the location of airfields. The Reds need to try very hard not to lose it. As far as I can remember, the Reds have never won there

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1 hour ago, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 said:

As far as I can remember, the Reds have never won there

 

They did in Campaign 14, either Map 6 or 8, or maybe both, I can't remember. But the five campaigns I played Red I know we never won either map.

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7 hours ago, IV./JG51-Anton_Hafner said:

 

Could you at least try to read through your own article. It support m position, not yours. It states isolated events while emphasize the behavior was considered dishonorable by both sides which is exactly what I had stated from the very beginning. 

 

I’m almost done reading Don Quixote. It’s about a middle-aged fool who read too many fictionalized accounts of knights and chivalry, got it in his head that it was all real, and decided to go out into the world to find his own knightly adventures. That’s how he ended up fighting windmills, thinking they were giants; defending the honour of whores in seedy inns, thinking they were princesses in castles; and prattling on and on about honour and chivalry to Sancho Panza, a simpleton who believed and followed him.

 

Don Quixote was written in 1605, and almost immediately it was considered a great work of satire and social commentary. That’s right: people have been laughing at fools who can’t distinguish fictionalized stories of chivalry from reality for over 400 years already.

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8 hours ago, WokeUpDead said:

 

Yes, the quorum solution, I have seen it implemented in one or two of the old 1946 campaign servers. There's some questions about what to do when there's quorum at take-off but not once you're over the target: should kills still count? But those are minor issues and I liked it overall as a solution to unbalanced numbers.

Quorum was already applied on TAW many campaigns ago and the server was empty for this reason. The quorum turned out to be a bad idea because it encourages pilots not to fly. For example I see that have adversary majority, but there is no quorum, so he flies now futile. I will not specifically go to the server, not to create opponents need a quorum. And so did a lot of pilots on both sides. Need a system that would encourage those who fly in the minority, but not points (which I personally do not need), and the result on the map.

I think that for example the closure of airfields, which is now a very good idea, but that it began to work when on one side there are 4 or more pilots. It is also necessary to reduce the loss of life, at the death of the pilot, if he lost it in a large minority.

Also, in view of the fact that the Reds are suffering very heavy losses among the pilots due to the controversial implementation of the high-explosive effect of German weapons, it would be fair to return the previous indicators of the probability of capture by both sides. Now this probability for the blue side is less than it once was

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Deleted, forgot that I dont talk to trolls )))

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AF AAAs have still 0 effectiveness against the attack. Witnessed 8 planes, mostly Pe2s and1 or 2 fighters to dive to AF Anastasievskaya and flew around AF targets for 2-3mins wiping them out with 0 problems from AF AAAs. Seems AAA gunners got shocked and started firing everything but red planes )))

Only 1 Pe-2 was shot down and probably because pilot lost control and the damage was not significant. All others did what they wanted and left AF.

So the idea that only the level bombing should be not suicidal for AF bombing still doesn't work.

And I got PKed while trying to protect it by Pe-2 gunner so now asking myself why to even bother to defend AFs or other defs if AAAs don't help at all. Better be off saving 3 precious lives.

14 минут назад, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 сказал:

Quorum was already applied on TAW many campaigns ago and the server was empty for this reason. The quorum turned out to be a bad idea because it encourages pilots not to fly. For example I see that have adversary majority, but there is no quorum, so he flies now futile. I will not specifically go to the server, not to create opponents need a quorum. And so did a lot of pilots on both sides. Need a system that would encourage those who fly in the minority, but not points (which I personally do not need), and the result on the map.

Agree with that. With 3 lives and losing -300 points and a plane, what's the point to play suicidal missions in which you can't do much but definitely will get yourself killed?

During the time of great unbalance in team's numbers, the server suffers its competitiveness and become of a war of one team. To be honest, if one side has few strong squads and the other team has mostly single players, the outcome would be pretty much the same so it's really hard to sort this issue out. 

1 час назад, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 сказал:

Unfortunately they have already done so. And the map of Kuban is very difficult for the red side because of the location of airfields. The Reds need to try very hard not to lose it. As far as I can remember, the Reds have never won there

Actually, not difficult, the problem is the beginning of the map, when blues always attack Ahtyrskaya, and once reds lose it, their strategic situation becomes much worse, almost unrecoverable. Last campaign, Kuban map was rolled out during the time when there were very few reds who couldn't protect it. This time, reds had more players (12vs1(myself)), and wiped out 2 tank convoys within 1/2-1hour so Ahtyrskaya got saved. Blues have an advantage at the beginning of the map because even if they lose the beginning of the map, their situation doesn't get much worse so that they can keep going. 

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Regarding pilot balance, we have hard data on the statistics pages as to how many hours have been flown by each side.  This should give an very good indication of what the actual balance is.  I'm seeing a lot speculation and assumptions from previous posts as to what the actual numbers are.  Regardless, there are many variables that dictate balance at different times and many are completely out of the control of the TAW admins.  However, TAW has rules to at least try to help balance the sides like differing death penalties, limiting available airfields, etc.

 

Note that in the past several TAWS, SCG took a more active role in trying to keep the two sides balanced but we have been essentially been forbidden from switching sides this campaign.Several of our fighter pilots fly less TAW now because they don't have targets to shoot against at different times.

 

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Dear administration, I am very disappointed with Your decision to adjourn. Flying is a hobby, not a job. I was given a day off there, why did I need it on TAW. As a last resort, it was possible to vote

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1 hour ago, =LG=Kathon said:

Christmas break till 26.12

When Christmas is celebrated in Russia for some reason do not make a break. A very unfair decision

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3 minutes ago, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 said:

When Christmas is celebrated in Russia for some reason do not make a break. A very unfair decision

Yeah you mean we they are having a break for Christmas not because the Christmas Spirit, and Love, but to screw with russian people? 
Come on...
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12 minutes ago, -[HRAF]BubiHUN said:

Yeah you mean we they are having a break for Christmas not because the Christmas Spirit, and Love, but to screw with russian people? 
Come on...
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I want to say that everyone decides what to do and when. Turning off the server only on Catholic Christmas is rude to all other religions. Or fear of losing this map because of the holidays

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Is there anything in the world that people aren't complaining constantly these days?

 

If you look at this thread for example, positive posts are very rare. That's kind of sad

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4 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

Is there anything in the world that people aren't complaining constantly these days?

 

If you look at this thread for example, positive posts are very rare. That's kind of sad

Don't be sad. You must have a big holiday, so go and celebrate with pleasure. Don't worry, nothing will change on the map. All the others will wait until you remember about the good and love. But that's when the holiday comes from other religions, nobody is going to take a break. It's just not fair, on the part of the administration, to stop the server for a couple of days just because some of the pilots will not be able to play on it. It's not fair to the other pilots.

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1 minute ago, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 said:

Don't be sad. You must have a big holiday, so go and celebrate with pleasure. Don't worry, nothing will change on the map. All the others will wait until you remember about the good and love. But that's when the holiday comes from other religions, nobody is going to take a break. It's just not fair, on the part of the administration, to stop the server for a couple of days just because some of the pilots will not be able to play on it. It's not fair to the other pilots.

I couldn't care a less about the map.

 

I'll just quote myself again:

 

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10 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

I'll just quote myself again:

I will once again advise you not to be sad THESE DAYS and quietly enjoy life. We'll wait until you're well rested, even though you won't be waiting for us

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Суть в том, что зачем вообще на праздники отключать? Если у Вас праздник, то напишите, что мы празднуем, если сервак ляжет, то нас до 26 не дёргать. А если лезть в религию, то надо учитывать и Буддизм и Ислам и Иудаизм и всяких прочих свидетелей и зачем это надо. Можно не летать , а смотреть в календарь и думать, как бы кого не обидеть

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10 minutes ago, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 said:

I will once again advise you not to be sad THESE DAYS and quietly enjoy life. We'll wait until you're well rested, even though you won't be waiting for us

You don't still get it, do you? I was not talking only about the Christmas. 

 

This thread is like a kindergarten, these days

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20 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

You don't still get it, do you? I was not talking only about the Christmas. 

 

This thread is like a kindergarten, these days

Happy merry Christmas)

 

I respect all who celebrate their religious holidays. And this server belongs to an administration, which sets its own rules.

But I also express my personal opinion about the fact that we impose this christmas break. I am very disappointed in such a decision

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On 12/21/2019 at 5:53 PM, IV./JG51-Anton_Hafner said:

Shooting down pilots was not part of the actual war.

14 hours ago, IV./JG51-Anton_Hafner said:

I never used any absolute terms. I never said never happened only that the act itself was dishonorable by those that fought.

 

Well, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. "not part" is as absolute as they come. It cannot be "not part" and "part" at the same time.

 

The moral implications of strafing people in the real world has nothing to do with strafing pixels in game. One is a serious offense, which has serious consequences, the other is play-pretend, with no real world consequences (unless you don't make the distinction between reality and play-pretend). You strafe someone in real life and a lot of bad things happen both to the strafed person and the strafing person; you strafe someone in a game and society doesn't care -> this means that society accepts the behavior, because everybody knows that it's play-pretend. I can't believe I've reached a point where I have to actually explain this to someone. Here's a basic example: it's just like shooting someone in a movie. You don't go and accuse the ACTOR of being immoral, because he's just play-pretending - it's the CHARACTER that committed the crime, NOT the ACTOR. Do you understand the distinction?

 

Since the CHARACTER is the one who got strafed, and it's dead in the game world, the ACTOR who played the strafed CHARACTER cannot come here and complain about the other ACTOR who played the strafing CHARACTER. And it certainly cannot accuse the strafing ACTOR about being immoral, because it's actually the strafing CHARACTER who was immoral. Do you get it? Do you see the distinction? Strafed CHARACTERS cannot complain about the lack of morality of the strafing CHARACTERS, because they are dead in the game world.

 

If you want the server to be realistic, then you'll have to accept that since it did happen in reality it will also happen on the server.

 

This is getting borderline corny.

 

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26 minutes ago, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 said:

Happy merry Christmas)

 

I respect all who celebrate their religious holidays. And this server belongs to an administration, which sets its own rules.

But I also express my personal opinion about the fact that we impose this christmas break. I am very disappointed in such a decision

 

Perhaps it is fair for the admins of this server to have a break over their holidays  to enjoy with their families/friends and not have to worry how the server is running... 

 

After all even an unpaid job needs a day or two off

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

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55 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

 

Perhaps it is fair for the admins of this server to have a break over their holidays  to enjoy with their families/friends and not have to worry how the server is running... 

 

After all even an unpaid job needs a day or two off

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

yeah i dont get how people can not agree with that, very simple..

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Thanks for Christmas break ! Hope you all are able to be with friends and family over the holiday season ! 

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Argh...I was looking forward to playing TAW in the next couple days but its been shut down for Christmas.  Don't worry LG, I'll still spend time with the family but I don't do that all day long.  Of course, I always respect decisions by the admins but I'm still disappointed as most have extra time off from work to play.

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16 hours ago, 666GIAP_Tumu said:

Kuban maps need more bases 

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I would think that Agoy airfield near Tuapse would work, it has a road and railway that lead to it for convoys/trains.  But I suppose it must be unsatisfactory in some way.

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12 hours ago, Prancingkiller2 said:

yeah i dont get how people can not agree with that, very simple..

Because people are different. Some people have official free of work time and want to enjoy flying in TAW. And then all of a sudden server stops.

At least TAW admins might have posted a notice a bit ahead of time on which days the server would be shut down so people would have adjusted their plans accordingly.

It's simple, we all know that the server runs 24x7. If not, just let us know, seems logical to me.

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20 hours ago, WokeUpDead said:

 

I’m almost done reading Don Quixote. It’s about a middle-aged fool who read too many fictionalized accounts of knights and chivalry, got it in his head that it was all real, and decided to go out into the world to find his own knightly adventures. That’s how he ended up fighting windmills, thinking they were giants; defending the honour of whores in seedy inns, thinking they were princesses in castles; and prattling on and on about honour and chivalry to Sancho Panza, a simpleton who believed and followed him.

 

Don Quixote was written in 1605, and almost immediately it was considered a great work of satire and social commentary. That’s right: people have been laughing at fools who can’t distinguish fictionalized stories of chivalry from reality for over 400 years already.

 

So we are back to a childish ad hom again. Congratulations on analyzing novels, now can you learn to discuss with people without being condescending? 

15 hours ago, Raven109 said:

 

Well, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. "not part" is as absolute as they come. It cannot be "not part" and "part" at the same time.

 

The moral implications of strafing people in the real world has nothing to do with strafing pixels in game. One is a serious offense, which has serious consequences, the other is play-pretend, with no real world consequences (unless you don't make the distinction between reality and play-pretend). You strafe someone in real life and a lot of bad things happen both to the strafed person and the strafing person; you strafe someone in a game and society doesn't care -> this means that society accepts the behavior, because everybody knows that it's play-pretend. I can't believe I've reached a point where I have to actually explain this to someone. Here's a basic example: it's just like shooting someone in a movie. You don't go and accuse the ACTOR of being immoral, because he's just play-pretending - it's the CHARACTER that committed the crime, NOT the ACTOR. Do you understand the distinction?

 

Since the CHARACTER is the one who got strafed, and it's dead in the game world, the ACTOR who played the strafed CHARACTER cannot come here and complain about the other ACTOR who played the strafing CHARACTER. And it certainly cannot accuse the strafing ACTOR about being immoral, because it's actually the strafing CHARACTER who was immoral. Do you get it? Do you see the distinction? Strafed CHARACTERS cannot complain about the lack of morality of the strafing CHARACTERS, because they are dead in the game world.

 

If you want the server to be realistic, then you'll have to accept that since it did happen in reality it will also happen on the server.

 

This is getting borderline corny.

 

 

So an act that is considered to be morally reprehensible in real life is not in a fictionalize simulation? I supposed one could choose to be morally bad in a simulation. I supposed that s not different than choosing to be an SS unit in the game. So, if we accept that has a "reality" then we should accept as a reality anyone's rights t be morally wrong by such an act in a simulation. That being said, not everything in a simulation is about reenacting actual behavior. After all, shooting at grounded players or player taking off and landing is considered to be against "fair play" but this would not at all be the case in real life. Just how much realism should we allow? Personally the latter should be allowed. If killed, then that is just too bad, "Goodbye" streak. As far as shooting at pilots; I am fine with whatever the respective countries would have done to pilots who do that. 

 

Anyway, we have deviated from the initial point (at least the point I have made) that the practice was discouraged and considered to be morally wrong. Did pilots do it? Sure, that point has never been a point of contention. it was if it was considered part of war or morally wrong. The latter is true. 

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17 часов назад, Raven109 сказал:

If you want the server to be realistic, then you'll have to accept that since it did happen in reality it will also happen on the server.

This is getting borderline corny.

For what it's worse...

You completely missed the point, this is the server that manifests the realism and immersion. Once again people here talks about the moral aspect of chute killers... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists

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Attacking parachutists from aircraft in distress is a war crime under the Protocol I addition to the 1949 Geneva Conventions. Firing on airborne forces who are descending by parachute is not prohibited.[1]

and more... Still, both German and American pilots did shoot enemy airmen in their parachutes, albeit infrequently.

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So if you ask if it's allowed on the server, then the answer is yes. But proud pilots would never do this, that's the idea of this conversation.

And it's important to say pilots like Adolf Galland never respected chute killers nor followed this shit practice.

It's just the reality, rotten pilots were in all sides.

 

I guess we talk about it too much, you are right. But some people feel they need to name those who feel fun shooting other pilots while on chute or ditched, that's the main point. Personally I want to know them or need to know who is my team mate.

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