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You finished the war before I came back from holidays...

 

You bastards... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 

 

Hey Black - welcome back - its simple. Just start a new one. We all cant wait:)

 

 

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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I'm back.

 

Here is the plan:

 - fix unknown status bug,

 - fix bug when enemy city with depot is captured,

 - change winning condition to 5 missions. It should extend campaign duration to about 3-4 weeks.

 - add ability to supply friendly airfields.

 - start new campaign in next week (if no unexpected problems)

 

There is also mysterious player how would like to offer valuable awards for the best fighter and bomber pilots in the next campaign. More info in next week :)

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I'm so excited for the new campaign!!!

 

Is the best best fighter / bomber pilot classified as the pilot with the "highest streak" ?

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I'm back.

 

Here is the plan:

 - fix unknown status bug,

 - fix bug when enemy city with depot is captured,

 - change winning condition to 5 missions. It should extend campaign duration to about 3-4 weeks.

 - add ability to supply friendly airfields.

 - start new campaign in next week (if no unexpected problems)

 

There is also mysterious player how would like to offer valuable awards for the best fighter and bomber pilots in the next campaign. More info in next week :)

Great news, thanks Kathon and TAW team!!

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Please Kathon change the plane set.

Here is my suggestion:

Allies Main Fighter Plane - LAGG without modifications
Allies Main Bomber Plane - IL-2 without modifications

Axis Main Fighter Plane - BF109 F4 without modifications
Axis Main Bomber Plane - Ju87 without modifications

To unlock the modifications or other planes the player have to make score or combat missions.

Another thing is the possibility to change you preferred aircraft. For example i hate LA-5 and will be good replace then for Yak or Lagg

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Please Kathon change the plane set.

 

Here is my suggestion:

 

Allies Main Fighter Plane - LAGG without modifications

Allies Main Bomber Plane - IL-2 without modifications

 

Axis Main Fighter Plane - BF109 F4 without modifications

Axis Main Bomber Plane - Ju87 without modifications

 

To unlock the modifications or other planes the player have to make score or combat missions.

 

Another thing is the possibility to change you preferred aircraft. For example i hate LA-5 and will be good replace then for Yak or Lagg

109 F4 against LaGG3... let me guess, you fly german?!

 

There are 50% more german players most of the time and you want to face the less good russian fighter against the very best german's one...

 

I hope they won't listen to your suggestion!

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No,

i fly VVS

Is just a idea. Put wherever plane you want.

We need a basic unlimited fighter plane. In the last days of TAW i have 0 fighters and need to fly a PE to recover. But this is not easy with 30 germans over field and 9 allies trying to takeoff

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No,

i fly VVS

Is just a idea. Put wherever plane you want.

 

We need a basic unlimited fighter plane. In the last days of TAW i have 0 fighters and need to fly a PE to recover. But this is not easy with 30 germans over field and 9 allies trying to takeoff

 

well, that would be better handled if, lets say, Axis needs 4 combat missions for a new plane while VVS needs 3. That would also make sense as Axis had less resources.

Additionally a re-add of the Vya-23 for Il-2 42 version would be a good idea. It was purpose built for that plane, to lock it does not fit. If someone decides to fly a CAP sortie in that thing, well you can also do that with 20mm but against ground targets Shvak is rather poor and 37mm is way too heavy (also only used testwise on il-2s).

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No,

i fly VVS

Is just a idea. Put wherever plane you want.

 

We need a basic unlimited fighter plane. In the last days of TAW i have 0 fighters and need to fly a PE to recover. But this is not easy with 30 germans over field and 9 allies trying to takeoff

So you never tried the F4 or battle with one?

Those things are a nightmare for VVS pilots!

 

The actual plane set is good enough, we just need to see something like avoiding the map to change when there was too much pilots on one side. So when we have 18 germans early in the morning against 0 VVS they won't be able to capture our airfields... Then you will have room to fly an Il2 during 15 minutes and regain your fighters (and next time take care of your planes!)

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In all older IL-2 i fly for the Axis. Now i changed to another Squadron, they fly Allies.
I'm doing well with the new planes but i still like more the german ones.

My idea is to bring to TAW individual progress. Make some points, unlock modifications to planes, simple.
With this we can have unlimited planes with less capacity to combat.

And about G2? Is much better than Lagg?

Germans complain about LAGG cannon. VVS Complain about F4 velocity and maneuverability. Whe have to become 50% 50%. How we can do that?

Bf with the head rest is a piece of shit to fly. I cant fly with this thing blocking my view. This is not a sufficient issue to then?

I just want to be fair enough to everyone.

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In all older IL-2 i fly for the Axis. Now i changed to another Squadron, they fly Allies.

I'm doing good with the new planes but i still like more the german ones.

 

My idea is to bring to TAW individual progress. Make some points, unlock modifications to planes, simple.

With this we can have unlimited planes with less capacity to combat.

 

And about G2? Is much better than Lagg?

 

Germans complain about LAGG cannon. VVS Complain about F4 velocity and maneuverability. Whe have to become 50% 50%. How we can do that?

 

Bf with the head rest is a piece of shit to fly. I cant fly with this thing blocking my view. This is not a sufficient issue to then?

 

I just want to be fair enough to everyone.

I don't understand your point.

 

LaGG is inferior to ANY german fighter in view and speed and maneuvrability. Its only strength is its armament. The only way to be succesfull with it is to fly with friends and be in numerical advantage, or to take a german by surprise and don't miss the first shoot. 

 

If you miss your first shoot, then you can't turn and can't run and without friends, you are dead meat.

 

We have the planes that the admins decide we have. So we have to learn how to fly with them. I can't see anything behind me neither in the LaGG nor theYak, so I rely on my friends to check my six or I fly doing big "S".

I don't think that this head rest is degrading dramatically the fly characteristics of the Bf so how come you find it a piece of shit to fly?! (Last time I flew the F4 was on berloga, had 3 kills in 10 minutes despite I NEVER fly germans and had 0 kills in my Yak for more than 30 minutes...)

 

So I'll stick to my point. Current planeset is the most balanced we can have and still is historically accurate. What unbalances the war is the number of germans players and the fact that they can turn all the map blue when they are playing and reds are working (I wonder if on blue side they have lots of retirees or unemployed... How do they manage to have 18 people at 9 o'clock AM?!).

 

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My suggestion is not to balance the war. Is just to have a plane to fly in every mission and give reward for better pilots.

Change Lagg to Yak for default VVS plane to help.

For example:
TAW fresh start. Nobody have kills or combat missions

Give to fighters of any side a basic plane without modifications. The most balanced plane to each side.
After 5 kill or 10 combat missions unlock modifications or new plane like La-5. (Not unlimited plane. The only unlimited is the basic plane)

Same for bombers. No modifications until the pilot do your blood to win a fight.

My english is not so good. I don't know if i make the better choice on words to you understand.

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Unlocking upgrades must be correct with historically date. And the mission must start in the historic case and each other to continue. For example,Battle of Stalingrad start 21.08.1942 and ends 2.2.1943. So In may 1941, therefore the year after the number of drawings, was cannon TKB-201 (vja 23mm) received into the arms of the soviet air forces. That means The 23mm cannons are allowed on il2 and others Planes from this date

This is my sugestion

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Kathon didnt had time to implement planeset prepared for the TAW - Stalingrad 1943.

 

But LaGG-3 vs 109F4 is just unacceptable. No discussion about it.

 

Stuka vs Sturmovik is a boost for red side campaign wining factor.

 

If we will try to balance Bf110 vs Il2 then other people will complain they dont have BoM :D

 

Its just impossible to please everyone.

 

Sunday LG will have a brainstorm on TD about the future steps in TAW.

 

Thanks for your donations for the TAW.

This is a very nice gesture from some of you guys!!!

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The 109 F4 and the Yak-1 are op in some aspects, so it was a good consideration from the LG Squad, don't take this planes as basic fighters. I'm sure that the TAW team could find suitable adjustment screws, to avoid a walkover across the maps meanwhile the other side is absent.

 

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lets say, Axis needs 4 combat missions for a new plane while VVS needs 3. That would also make sense as Axis had less resources.

I dont get you. Less resources need more transport flights and therefore more resources need less flights ? :unsure:

If you compare ONLY the availible transport plane capacity, i would say the opposite.

 

If they add the Vya-23 for Il-2 42, i wish there are more JaBo`s loadout availible because a lot of german fighters can carry them and they used it in the war.

 

 

 

109 F4 against LaGG3... let me guess, you fly german?!

You ever meet in any 109 and energy a i-16 with no energy ? let me guess ... ;)

 

BUT, the Admins must balance in some ways - and they have detailes stats/logs about the wars which we didnt have. Hopefully they dont react and balanced just subjective.

 

If i like the next War Planesets, i donate to honor them for the work and time they spend on it.

Please donate them, every bit counts and help them!

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I dont get you. Less resources need more transport flights and therefore more resources need less flights ? :unsure:

 

Simple, Axis has less resources to supply lost planes (as to why 4 combat missions instead of 3), an Axis plane has more value, so to speak.

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In my point of view, to limit airplanes types has not to do with the difficulties that Axis or Allies had during the real war.

 

All sides had a great number of airplanes. Why shoud we have dificulty to fly the type of arplane we want?

 

TAW should try another kind of penalization.

 

(Sorry any mistake in writting. English is not my native language)

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How about, instead of having large sets of rules about planes per person, each campaign will start with Soviets getting 2000 Laggs, 1000 Yaks, 1000 PE-2s, 2000 Il-2s and 600 P-40s for the entire campaign, and the number of planes for your side can be increased by flying transport in a Junkers 52, He111 or a PE-2. The PE-2 carries less but is fast. If this is used, one side can gain air superiority by wiping out the other side. Then, they can concentrate on attacking things like moving columns of tanks, AT positions and Trains.

Then, the Germans could get 700 109 F4s and 1000 109 G2s, 1000 Stukas, 500 He111, 500 Junkers 88 and 600 Me110. Also, this would allow for the Germans to have more Strategic targets like factories, warehouses and Railway Stations. While the Russians concentrate on ground targets.

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Also, then you could have many more ground targets to hit and the focus of the campaign could become entirely based on the attack and defense of ground units.

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Also, I am not sure if this is possible, but you might want to try using the Ground Support Missions in the single player campaign whenever there is a ground battle, since in those missions the tank AI moves automatically and engages the defense.

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How about, instead of having large sets of rules about planes per person, each campaign will start with Soviets getting 2000 Laggs, 1000 Yaks, 1000 PE-2s, 2000 Il-2s and 600 P-40s for the entire campaign, and the number of planes for your side can be increased by flying transport in a Junkers 52, He111 or a PE-2. The PE-2 carries less but is fast. If this is used, one side can gain air superiority by wiping out the other side. Then, they can concentrate on attacking things like moving columns of tanks, AT positions and Trains.

Then, the Germans could get 700 109 F4s and 1000 109 G2s, 1000 Stukas, 500 He111, 500 Junkers 88 and 600 Me110. Also, this would allow for the Germans to have more Strategic targets like factories, warehouses and Railway Stations. While the Russians concentrate on ground targets.

 

I personally dislike this idea, and I think the personal aircraft is a good unique touch for the TAW server and forces smart(er) decision making.  

 

I don't want some yayhoo crashing planes over and over again, exhausting the supply and preventing me from flying competent and efficient aircraft.  Just because he doesn't know how to takeoff/taxi/or doesn't value his aircraft and never brings one home, I shouldn't be penalized.   

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How about, instead of having large sets of rules about planes per person, each campaign will start with Soviets getting 2000 Laggs, 1000 Yaks, 1000 PE-2s, 2000 Il-2s and 600 P-40s for the entire campaign, and the number of planes for your side can be increased by flying transport in a Junkers 52, He111 or a PE-2. The PE-2 carries less but is fast. If this is used, one side can gain air superiority by wiping out the other side. Then, they can concentrate on attacking things like moving columns of tanks, AT positions and Trains.

Then, the Germans could get 700 109 F4s and 1000 109 G2s, 1000 Stukas, 500 He111, 500 Junkers 88 and 600 Me110. Also, this would allow for the Germans to have more Strategic targets like factories, warehouses and Railway Stations. While the Russians concentrate on ground targets.

 

I like that.

I was flying with this solution on one wirtual war based on Bellum system with old il-2 Sturmovik. (some spanish virtual squad were admins - CAD maybe ? (....  aero dynamico ??))

Only difference was that basic planes were unlimited.

Bad side is that what Pand said - some "rookies" will take a good fighter and quickly loose them. But ... good pilot is dangerous even on LaGG, when "rookie" on that type is only sitting duck :-)

Good side is that I (as a fighter pilot) do not touch bomber planes which are useless on my acount in planeset we have now.

 

Ramm.

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I personally dislike this idea, and I think the personal aircraft is a good unique touch for the TAW server and forces smart(er) decision making.  

 

I don't want some yayhoo crashing planes over and over again, exhausting the supply and preventing me from flying competent and efficient aircraft.  Just because he doesn't know how to takeoff/taxi/or doesn't value his aircraft and never brings one home, I shouldn't be penalized.   

 +1 

 

 I ain't gonna fly a replenishment sortie just to encourage suicide pilots to go even more reckless, and waste 5 times as much of what I've resupplied for the team.

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I personally dislike this idea, and I think the personal aircraft is a good unique touch for the TAW server and forces smart(er) decision making.  

 

I don't want some yayhoo crashing planes over and over again, exhausting the supply and preventing me from flying competent and efficient aircraft.  Just because he doesn't know how to takeoff/taxi/or doesn't value his aircraft and never brings one home, I shouldn't be penalized.   

 

This, x1000

 

When you know your OWN plane is on the line, rather than a bushel of community planes not only are you going to be more careful since you have only yourself to blame, but you're not going to see every Yak-1 and F-4 get cratered day 1.

 

(Edit: Bear in mind that I say this with the knowledge that I am one of those people who will crash planes, not as some hater that wants to force nublets to fly lesser planes)

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I like it the way it is, it seems to have the right balance of encouraging wish to survive but not so draconian it drives too many people away.  I wish I had more control over how my planes are resupplied. I lost my 110, had the "prefer bombers" selected, but it added another 109 to my stable...Don't know where the 110 fits in since it is an "attacker".

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About brainstorm. Cant tell you details now but there will be some changes. War will be longer, some changes with planeset, registration fixes and some more. Probably we will start new war at at sunday. Firsth post will be updated, same as manual. Stay tuned with topic and FB page for more news.

 

Cheers !

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When you know your OWN plane is on the line, rather than a bushel of community planes not only are you going to be more careful since you have only yourself to blame, but you're not going to see every Yak-1 and F-4 get cratered day 1.

 

I agree. It's a good idea, but wouldn't work in practice. 

 

Your comment made me think of an interesting idea tho... We can do a bit of an economics experiment and pit capitalism against communism by letting the Germans use the individual plane system, and the Russians the team-wide plane reserve system! It will be historical, and we can watch as socialism fails once again XD

 

(Obviously kidding haha but it would be funny! Not to mention that the economy under the Nazi regime was anything but capitalism...)

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 Probably we will start new war at at sunday

Good news, cause the TAW is attarctive for me only! The other servers are boring yet. I dont mind with previous planeset, map or targets. Only do with balance blue/red pilots (and immovable convoys just a bit)

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I have only one request guys. Try to keep balance between sites (blue/red) when youll be registrating accounts. We dont have solutions to soleve this out exept blocking slots and we dont want to do it. Thik about it nex time before registratin your accounts.

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