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4 hours ago, xJammer said:

Lets look at the AAA Statistics now. This is over entire TAW campaign, considering player sorties that were only damaged by the specific AAA and did not take any other damage (besides damage that has no cause, such as engine out or self-damage):

 

TRUE == aircraft was shot down

 

Red AAA Blue AAA
52-K Flak 36
61-K Flak 37
72-K Flak 38
GAZ-AA M4 MG-34 AA
M4 Sd Kfz 10 Flak 38
ZiS-5 72-K  

 

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I'll slowly update this post with more relevant AAA stats, such as the most survivable aircraft / etc. (Depending on what is possible given the logs)

That info don´t tell us anything about the discussion about the AAA on AF and depots because this charts took all AAA not only on AF or depots.

By the way where you took this info? It is trust one or you take advantage like you do on AF and depots killing all AAA.

  

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@ITAF_LG965

 Thank you!!

I had lost this bookmark! I wish it would be possible to have the stats from all the major online wars!

 

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1 hour ago, ECV56_Necathor said:

That info don´t tell us anything about the discussion about the AAA on AF and depots because this charts took all AAA not only on AF or depots.

By the way where you took this info? It is trust one or you take advantage like you do on AF and depots killing all AAA.

  

Also, it doesn’t tell us under what conditions the attacking aircraft were in when they were being fired upon.  How high were the aircraft, how fast were the aircraft, were they diving, climbing or fairly level in flight, were they directly over the offending AAA or were they off to the side... too many variables to consider to know how effective AAA (of all kinds) were against enemy aircraft.

 

For example, if 10 aircraft all dive to the deck (over the target) before dropping bombs, vs 10 that released at 1500 meters  (over the target) and were on the deck a fair distance away, you will probably find that more were hit/lost from AAA in the former group than the latter.

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40 minutes ago, AKA_Relent said:

Also, it doesn’t tell us under what conditions the attacking aircraft were in when they were being fired upon.  How high were the aircraft, how fast were the aircraft, were they diving, climbing or fairly level in flight, were they directly over the offending AAA or were they off to the side... too many variables to consider to know how effective AAA (of all kinds) were against enemy aircraft.

 

For example, if 10 aircraft all dive to the deck (over the target) before dropping bombs, vs 10 that released at 1500 meters  (over the target) and were on the deck a fair distance away, you will probably find that more were hit/lost from AAA in the former group than the latter.

Eh, the conditions of the aircraft are not strictly necessary depending on what information you want out of the analysis. If you want data on effectiveness of AA against aircraft in certain flight regimes, yes, this is useless (e.g. how effective is AA against different types of aircraft when they are level bombing?).

But this data lets you know the average effectiveness of AA against aircraft in their average flight regime; It essentially says what aircraft are more vulnerable to AA in general given the way they are usually used. It's a combination Airframe + typical use evaluation.

It would allow you to compare aircraft of similar role to each other (i.e. 109s vs. Yaks, Pe-2s vs. Ju-88s) because they are used in similar flight regimes. If some planes show up as more vulnerable because they are typically flown in ways that risk more AA, that doesn't really refute the point, since aircraft role forces a certain amount of exposure to AA to an extent. An Il-2, for example, by necessity takes more risk from AA attacking defended targets than a Pe-2, which has more options in how to attack. So you can't compare the Il-2 to a He-111, but you can compare an Il-2 to an HS-129 since they fulfill a similar role (anti-tank capable attack aircraft, with multiple passes on target being a  typical flight/attack regime). 

I hope I'm making sense here.

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18 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Eh, the conditions of the aircraft are not strictly necessary depending on what information you want out of the analysis. If you want data on effectiveness of AA against aircraft in certain flight regimes, yes, this is useless (e.g. how effective is AA against different types of aircraft when they are level bombing?).

But this data lets you know the average effectiveness of AA against aircraft in their average flight regime; It essentially says what aircraft are more vulnerable to AA in general given the way they are usually used. It's a combination Airframe + typical use evaluation.

It would allow you to compare aircraft of similar role to each other (i.e. 109s vs. Yaks, Pe-2s vs. Ju-88s) because they are used in similar flight regimes. If some planes show up as more vulnerable because they are typically flown in ways that risk more AA, that doesn't really refute the point, since aircraft role forces a certain amount of exposure to AA to an extent. An Il-2, for example, by necessity takes more risk from AA attacking defended targets than a Pe-2, which has more options in how to attack. So you can't compare the Il-2 to a He-111, but you can compare an Il-2 to an HS-129 since they fulfill a similar role (anti-tank capable attack aircraft, with multiple passes on target being a  typical flight/attack regime). 

I hope I'm making sense here.

Sure, you make sense, but let’s agree to disagree then :).

 

The point you make about comparing the Il-2 vs the Hs129 against the aircraft defenses (due to similar attack tactics) is an example that you also can’t get from these stats as they are now - it shows sorties and not the type of aircraft flown.  Yet another variable that adds to the mix as to how these stats don’t tell you enough about the conditions/tactics of the aircraft flown to be of any real use (at least IMO).

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6 hours ago, ECV56_Necathor said:

That info don´t tell us anything about the discussion about the AAA on AF and depots because this charts took all AAA not only on AF or depots.

By the way where you took this info? It is trust one or you take advantage like you do on AF and depots killing all AAA.

  

 

I entirely welcome you to check my results as anyone could make a mistake, especially with initially inconsistent logs (where some sorties begin with player getting killed only to fly on to kill other players).

 

I am also not trying to tell anything about a particular specific topic. I was curious to see how likely of a "fatal shot" does the AAA deal via the best proxy I could think of at the time. I thought some here could find the results interesting. If you have specific statistics that you may want to look at - ask for it or go ahead and run the numbers yourself. 

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The one thing we can all agree on is that the 38mm shell, regardless of the platform - sucks!

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Hello. Have you ever thought about turning off technical messages and a compass? The flight atmosphere will increase significantly.
 In my opinion, this will improve the quality of pilots on the server and waging war will become more interesting.
Such actions will eliminate newcomers and inexperienced pilots, which in turn will relieve the load on the server at prime time, and the vacant places will allow squads to work in large groups.
 Are there pilots who share my interests?

 

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4 hours ago, II./JG51Grasser said:

Hello. Have you ever thought about turning off technical messages and a compass? The flight atmosphere will increase significantly.
 In my opinion, this will improve the quality of pilots on the server and waging war will become more interesting.
Such actions will eliminate newcomers and inexperienced pilots, which in turn will relieve the load on the server at prime time, and the vacant places will allow squads to work in large groups.
 Are there pilots who share my interests?

 

Not me. [edited]

 

EDIT - just to be clear - The Admin edited this for the Reason "Personal". It wasnt. I used a a fairly common word to describe what making a server less accessible to a newcomer or inexperienced pilot was and didnt attack or insult anyone personally. 

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3 hours ago, II./JG51Grasser said:

Hello. Have you ever thought about turning off technical messages and a compass? The flight atmosphere will increase significantly.
 In my opinion, this will improve the quality of pilots on the server and waging war will become more interesting.
Such actions will eliminate newcomers and inexperienced pilots, which in turn will relieve the load on the server at prime time, and the vacant places will allow squads to work in large groups.
 Are there pilots who share my interests?

 

How will inexperienced pilots be able to become experienced ones, when there is no place for them to gather meaningful experience in a TAW like environment? WoL is hardly the place to look at.

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2 hours ago, II./JG51Grasser said:

Hello. Have you ever thought about turning off technical messages and a compass? The flight atmosphere will increase significantly.
 In my opinion, this will improve the quality of pilots on the server and waging war will become more interesting.
Such actions will eliminate newcomers and inexperienced pilots, which in turn will relieve the load on the server at prime time, and the vacant places will allow squads to work in large groups.
 Are there pilots who share my interests?

 

 

This will not work out because not everything is animated especially for bombers and attackers.

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On 3/27/2019 at 3:40 PM, JG4_Kruger said:

Please check you Stats and think about the reason why you got killed or captured.

 

Until i had la5 . every time i was surprised by enemy  i cant run to safe zone for not be caputred. Thats my pricipal reasson for be captured.    when i fly la5 , i try keep some altitude and if i was  under suprise attack, i dive, run and still alive.... is clear like i read befor... aircraft limitations are a fact.

 

But i agree with you on your post. I no doubt more level of coordination  will help a lot  and aircraft limitations can be managed better

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Posted (edited)

Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye!
The awards for last campaign has arrived!
Congratulations for best pilots and best squadrons.
We are very grateful that you participate so much in our event and we encourage you, to participate in the next campaign, which will come for sure (but remember the unwritten +week rule;-).
I hope that despite many bugs (a big thanks for Kathon for mastering the situation) that appeared during this season, we will also meet, in such quantity, in the forthcoming 18th season.
See you in the skies!

 

CUPS and STATUES

 

 


55776343_2316260268685281_65713742786991

55557319_2316260228685285_23271534601154

55776395_2316260242018617_14195986783052

55910073_2316260332018608_51220811456970
 

 

BEST FIGHETRS

 

 


55861171_2316262282018413_17192601614548

55916193_2316262322018409_66559620103264

55644681_2316262302018411_56399138893080

55783777_2316262358685072_73893878400202

55944948_2316262382018403_20877326427986
 

 

BEST BOMBERS

 

 


56315653_2316262722018369_39977111405650

56171670_2316262738685034_46167421613024

55653402_2316262702018371_19034481374317

56398376_2316262765351698_64866712100200

56237506_2316262792018362_56531980900106
 

 

BEST TANK KILLERS

 

 


56344403_2316263112018330_59550585749409

55686706_2316263138684994_26963413369817

55807303_2316263152018326_27262245340163

55849238_2316263188684989_32021897388574

56232197_2316263258684982_27681776757794
 

 

BEST FIGHTER SQUADS

 

 


55853658_2316265425351432_77615803858126

56247756_2316265458684762_68593375078850

55947561_2316265468684761_17917805639887

56174928_2316265555351419_52901773867493

56208324_2316265605351414_35669144875732
 

 

BEST BOMBER SQUADS

 

 


56226021_2316266035351371_71242608488679

56157362_2316266068684701_28562756025733

56328648_2316266075351367_28308029847644

55845411_2316266105351364_54283409012041

56119773_2316266135351361_55173005058118
 

 

BEST TANK KILLER SQUADS

 

 


55840615_2316266582017983_12729742328961

55865080_2316266615351313_76409901767259

56184226_2316266595351315_47944041406314

56201123_2316266645351310_53374900378124

55698727_2316266668684641_31256017789559
 

 

 

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Can we get stats on our pilot that include specific Aircraft type kills? for example. "FW190 killed: 31"; That would be G sauce. 

                                                                                                                                                  "BF109 killed: 76". ect....

 

 

 

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On 3/30/2019 at 3:51 AM, JG7_X-Man said:

The one thing we can all agree on is that the 38mm shell, regardless of the platform - sucks!

38 mm shell? Are you confusing Flak 38, which has 20 mm shell, with Flak 36, which has 37 mm?

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On 27 March 2019 at 4:37 PM, E69_geramos109 said:

Yes this is the most realistic campaingn I ever flown. I really would like to see a lot of that campaign on this game. But I think to make this kind of campaign is just imposible becauase of the amount of object functions and mainly amount of players that the server can hold. Is just imposible to make a massive organiced  muti squad mission becuase the rest of the map would be just empty of defences.  I think for the momment the game has a lot of flaws and limitations itself. 

Just imagine 40 planes coordinated for a hight alt bomb run..   OOHH Wait. they just pass 10 km from you and you saw nothing becuase shit rendering distance.... 

Can this game Handel that type of campaign. .? 

My thoughts are if you want to fly TAW campaigns you register your squads and you get picked for what team To fly for By the server admins .

This is how it used tobe .

Just Can't have this 40 v 13 , it's embarrassing.

I stopped flying axis because I just could not get into this server . It ended up being a frustrating time trying to meet up with friends . 

So I went Red . At least I managed to get into server . 

I consider a flight sim to be for the adult community I'm sure most of us are man enough to expect the admins choice. 

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Do we have any web page with the total results for last campaigns?

 

Great to know the scores for the last 10 of them.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Norz said:

 

I know..but where is the score there ? 4/4, 5/3 or something like that?

Axis has won nearly all Campaigns . Squads with high members make a big difference to the out come .

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Posted (edited)

 

52 minutes ago, Norz said:

 

I know..but where is the score there ? 4/4, 5/3 or something like that?

 

I found out a way to check it!

 

4/4/2016 

 https://web.archive.org/web/20160404225729/http://taw.stg2.de/

25/4/2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160425012310/http://taw.stg2.de/

26/5/2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160526023421/http://taw.stg2.de/

26/6/2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160626072033/http://taw.stg2.de/

27/7/2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160727125312/http://taw.stg2.de/

27/8/2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160827063026/http://taw.stg2.de/

 

 etc

 

I don't know if it's accurate! I mean there are certain time snapshots of the site . Says only who won the last campaign.

Those days there were no detailed messages like : " Axis won 2 maps Allies won 4 maps Last map ended in a draw" we have now during the battles!

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

And what is the total bill for all the past 17 campaigns?
How many times did the blue win, how many red and how many were there?

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2 hours ago, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 said:

And what is the total bill for all the past 17 campaigns?
How many times did the blue win, how many red and how many were there?

 

I have just put some info from  archive.org

 

You can check the history here: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://taw.stg2.de/

 

It will be great if we have had the actual databases and have the whole history online , like ITAF have for the last 3!

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Just a between-campaign reminder to dissatisfied TAW customers - there are worse places to fly.

 

 

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2 hours ago, StG77_HvB said:

Just a between-campaign reminder to dissatisfied TAW customers - there are worse places to fly.

 

 

 

He just wanted to eat, was looking for your breast. Poor little plane...

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Yeah, TAW really set the bar for il2 mp for me at least, I feel little incentive to play at all between campaigns now. 

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On ‎4‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 3:44 PM, StG77_HvB said:

Just a between-campaign reminder to dissatisfied TAW customers - there are worse places to fly.

 

 

I gave up the forums a while ago but I have to reply to this. That behavior of the Il16 was what you get with some Morons that want to ruin others fun and enjoyment .(that's how they get off)...Sad Lives Really !...…..Hvb, do you have "pilots" landing in Enemy Territory and "shooting" the AA ? on TAW ? Is TAW immune from Morons ?  I have just got back Online because I don't want Morons in my Fun time Flying(and All that goes with Online ). Do you Feel WOL is Inferior to YOUR HIGH standards ?...Morons like that Guy and Responses from people who think they are Elite, "Hardcore" doesn't encourage any Single Player to try MP..... If all you MP want to Attack another Server, your cutting GBs Mp throat. Soon there will ne None !

 

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Alright, alright, alright already. Enough. The devs deleted this video off the video thread because of a tsunami of butthurt, so I'm taking it off youtube before said tsunami erupts over here and the TAW thread gets shut down as well. Apparently many people loves them some WoL. Great. I'm not one of them.

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On 4/1/2019 at 6:56 PM, 335th_GRSwaty said:

 

 

I found out a way to check it!

 

4/4/2016 

 https://web.archive.org/web/20160404225729/http://taw.stg2.de/

25/4/2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160425012310/http://taw.stg2.de/

26/5/2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160526023421/http://taw.stg2.de/

26/6/2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160626072033/http://taw.stg2.de/

27/7/2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160727125312/http://taw.stg2.de/

27/8/2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160827063026/http://taw.stg2.de/

 

 etc

 

I don't know if it's accurate! I mean there are certain time snapshots of the site . Says only who won the last campaign.

Those days there were no detailed messages like : " Axis won 2 maps Allies won 4 maps Last map ended in a draw" we have now during the battles!

 

 

 

Test 1 (02.22.16) - blue
1. (04/04/16) - blue
2. (06/26/16) - red
3. (08.28.16) - red
4. (09/20/16) - blue
5. (15.10.16) - red
6. (11/19/16) - red
7. (04/27/17) blue
8. (07.26.17) - red
9. (3.10.17) - red
10. (12/23/17) - red
11. (2.03.18) - draw
12. (19.05.18) - red
13. (07.26.18) - blue
14. (15.08.18) - blue
15. (10.22.18) - blue
16. (09/01/19) - draw
17. (03/26/19) - blue

Total: red - 8, blue - 7, draw - 2

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thanks for your regular donations. without your donations and our great Kathon, that would not be what he is today

 

 

 

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On 4/1/2019 at 4:44 AM, LLv34_Temuri said:

38 mm shell? Are you confusing Flak 38, which has 20 mm shell, with Flak 36, which has 37 mm?

 

Yes :)

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8 minutes ago, =RA13=DerFreizeitheld said:

Hey guys, I do not want to be annoying, but when will the next campaign start? Can not wait for it .😍 greetings

 

+1 week

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Salute All!

 

During previous online wars (IL-2 Forgotten Battles era) from time to time we had blue and red separate forums, so each side could coordinate missions etc.

We could give it a try during the next TAW round and if it would be useful!

 

I have set up this board:

 

http://www.e-335thgr.com/taw/

 

My thoughts are:

 

1. No open registration. Anyone who wishes to join must:

  • Register to the board http://www.e-335thgr.com/taw/
  • Send me a pm here, in the official forum with  the user name and the e-mail that he used to register
  • I will check it and give permissions to view and post

 

2. After each round we will delete everything (users and posts) and wait for the next round!

 

3. I think must be simple, only two topics.

 

 

We  can do the same for red site, but someone must administrate it. After I set it up, he must delete my account and administrate it.

 

I know that TAW runs too fast but we can give a try!

 

 

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On 4/11/2019 at 2:42 PM, 335th_GRSwaty said:

 

Salute All!

 

During previous online wars (IL-2 Forgotten Battles era) from time to time we had blue and red separate forums, so each side could coordinate missions etc.

We could give it a try during the next TAW round and if it would be useful!

 

I have set up this board:

 

http://www.e-335thgr.com/taw/

 

My thoughts are:

 

1. No open registration. Anyone who wishes to join must:

  • Register to the board http://www.e-335thgr.com/taw/
  • Send me a pm here, in the official forum with  the user name and the e-mail that he used to register
  • I will check it and give permissions to view and post

 

2. After each round we will delete everything (users and posts) and wait for the next round!

 

3. I think must be simple, only two topics.

 

 

We  can do the same for red site, but someone must administrate it. After I set it up, he must delete my account and administrate it.

 

I know that TAW runs too fast but we can give a try!

 

 

Wait, I can see it now, I am getting a vision from the future. Oh the pain.

 

 

I can already see xjammer and his cohorts making fake accounts to read the enemies planning. Stellar.

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4 hours ago, JonRedcorn said:

Wait, I can see it now, I am getting a vision from the future. Oh the pain.

 

 

I can already see xjammer and his cohorts making fake accounts to read the enemies planning. Stellar.

I will re-iterate, if the leaders in the community had backbone and banned him, forcing him to spend some more money to get alt accounts, one he'd either stop, or two, he'd go broke. He's ruined the taw experience for me, and its the best experience in IL-2.  BTW he was on my team last taw too.

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Please, 

If you think a board to coordinate our efforts will be useful,  you are welcome to join during next round. 

 

In my opinion TAW is the best highlight for IL-2 Great Wars and subsequently for the whole IL-2 community. 

A lot of great servers out there but TAW is unique! 

 

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18 hours ago, 335th_GRSwaty said:

Please, 

If you think a board to coordinate our efforts will be useful,  you are welcome to join during next round. 

 

In my opinion TAW is the best highlight for IL-2 Great Wars and subsequently for the whole IL-2 community. 

A lot of great servers out there but TAW is unique! 

 

 

Is there a possibility to link the TAW account to this forum account? So it would be impossible for a red to connect on the blue forum for example. 

Problem is, you can register on both sides (which is a good thing). So... 

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