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1 hour ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

 

94% of sorties flown by the Axis side are in fighters.  You're blinded by your own biases here.

 

I am not sure where your stats are coming from - however, I would like to see them.

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Change your tactics to the prevailing numbers. If you are outnumbered play defense or team up to create local superiority. Take chances when the payoff is big, enjoy the challenge. It’s much more satisfying getting a good strike against the odds than when your side is dominant. My two cents....

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3 hours ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

 

94% of sorties flown by the Axis side are in fighters.  (snip)

Yet Axis bomber pilots FIRMLY dominate the TOP 5 list....   Hooray 2 ton bombs. I guess? :huh:

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4 minutes ago, =AVG77=Mobile_BBQ said:

Yet Axis bomber pilots FIRMLY dominate the TOP 5 list....   Hooray 2 ton bombs. I guess? :huh:

 

 

Hooray pilot-killing pe2 pilots whenever possible :) top #5 only considers live players. Look at top 5 bombing squads and you get a different picture. 

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3 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 

I am not sure where your stats are coming from - however, I would like to see them.

 

 

The stats were posted here a few campaigns ago by the server administration.  It is no exaggeration.

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5 hours ago, Kniiw said:

Hello, on this glorious day, 5 brave JU52, and 2 Bf109 pilots took off to drop paratroopers near an ennemy Airfield.
Here's some pictures taken during the flight, from 109 POV.
Thanks to eveybody implied in this, fun sortie and great experience :)
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Yes was fun...and we got the airfield👍🏻

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Seem no else gives a F^&* so, neither do I any more 😘

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Nice Ju52 formation! That's one of the things that makes TAW different, those big bomber or transport formations you see every now and then. I'm always thankful to the people who puts them up in the air, being LW or VVS, it's a great sight. 

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12 minutes ago, 666GIAP_Chimango said:

Nice Ju52 formation! That's one of the things that makes TAW different, those big bomber or transport formations you see every now and then. I'm always thankful to the people who puts them up in the air, being LW or VVS, it's a great sight. 

Agreed! 👍

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Amazing formation and nice drops. Also big thumbs up for the massive Peshka formations attacking Gromoslavka/nearby tanks yesterday late evening (EU time). It was a sight to behold!

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13 hours ago, =AVG77=Mobile_BBQ said:

Yet Axis bomber pilots FIRMLY dominate the TOP 5 list....   Hooray 2 ton bombs. I guess? :huh:

 

2 ton bombs?
Taken from TAW manual :

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So yes a German bomber have more bombs in total compared to a Pe-2, but since almost every bombers are taking Ju88 (for the speed), we only have 500kgs bombs if we want big calibers, no big fat ton bombs.

 

And the top 5 you're quoting is the top 5 of ALIVE bomber pilots. 
Look the top 5 bombers squads => 4 VSS squads, 1 German

Top 5 tank killers squads => 4 VSS squads, 1 German

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Very tough this round on soviet side without the depots (is it intended for them to be destroyed from the mission start?). With some valiant effort we are holding the new damage model is helpful to take a few AAA hits on the IL2.

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16 minutes ago, JaffaCake said:

(is it intended for them to be destroyed from the mission start?).

 

VVS did almost the same on map #3, the first German depot was 100% destroyed only few hours after the map start :happy: (and the second one was heavily damaged)

We took revenge on map #4 by striking hard :salute:

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49 minutes ago, JaffaCake said:

Very tough this round on soviet side without the depots (is it intended for them to be destroyed from the mission start?). With some valiant effort we are holding the new damage model is helpful to take a few AAA hits on the IL2.

it wasn't destroyed from the start of map. We destroyed it in the very beggining of the map.

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1 hour ago, =LG=Coldman said:

it wasn't destroyed from the start of map. We destroyed it in the very beggining of the map.

 

There were quite alive on Suturday. We made some raids on 109, 110 and one ju88 with 50 kg only (mission 166)

 

16 hours ago, =AVG77=Mobile_BBQ said:

Yet Axis bomber pilots FIRMLY dominate the TOP 5 list....   Hooray 2 ton bombs. I guess? :huh:

 

Same goes for the airfield of Erzovka. It was closed yesterday and the jobb was done by 3x109s and 2x110 with only 50kg bombs (2 sorties), so it can be done even with fighters, no need havy bombers. Requires coordination and a lot of luck of course (mission 175). I Think KOHAH and Reshetnikov can confirm this.

 

Nothing could be done if it was not for @xJammer who coordinated us. Great Respect to him. He understants a lot about the game the strategy and the TAW itself. We learned a lot because of him.  It is really fun to fly like this. 

 

Also many thanks to Serenity17 and Flash for the raid on the depots. Great, marvelous job.

 

Tnx

@Daedalos

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5 hours ago, -IRRE-Centx said:

 

2 ton bombs?
Taken from TAW manual :

2ton.png.54c7e7244dc1c69ba8ccb18c4939b534.png

 

So yes a German bomber have more bombs in total compared to a Pe-2, but since almost every bombers are taking Ju88 (for the speed), we only have 500kgs bombs if we want big calibers, no big fat ton bombs.

 

And the top 5 you're quoting is the top 5 of ALIVE bomber pilots. 
Look the top 5 bombers squads => 4 VSS squads, 1 German

Top 5 tank killers squads => 4 VSS squads, 1 German

 

2 hours ago, 335th_GRDaedalos said:

 

 

There were quite alive on Suturday. We made some raids on 109, 110 and one ju88 with 50 kg only (mission 166)

 

 

Same goes for the airfield of Erzovka. It was closed yesterday and the jobb was done by 3x109s and 2x110 with only 50kg bombs (2 sorties), so it can be done even with fighters, no need havy bombers. Requires coordination and a lot of luck of course (mission 175). I Think KOHAH and Reshetnikov can confirm this.

 

Nothing could be done if it was not for @xJammer who coordinated us. Great Respect to him. He understants a lot about the game the strategy and the TAW itself. We learned a lot because of him.  It is really fun to fly like this. 

 

Also many thanks to Serenity17 and Flash for the raid on the depots. Great, marvelous job.

 

Tnx

@Daedalos

 

O.k. Point taken on the LIVE pilots.  I applaud the stealth tactics of the pilots who have been able to hit VVS depots undetected with (sorry my original conversion math from metric to imperial units was off...) 4 ton bombs.  EDIT:  Sorry, I did misread the plane list for TAW.  Sc1000s are still in play though.  I'm not well-versed in He-111s and Ju88s but, how many can they carry?

 

Also, congratulations on your attack of the airfield. I agree for that you picked the right tools for the job. 

Also, congratulations to xJammer for having the wear-with-all to coordinate Axis on the raid. 

Speaking of xJammer though:

                                                          http://taw-server.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=37656&name=xJammer

How exactly does one go about destroying the single blister turret on a single Pe-2.87 twenty-seven times? Man, he really must hate those things.

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26 minutes ago, =AVG77=Mobile_BBQ said:

EDIT:  Sorry, I did misread the plane list for TAW.  Sc1000s are still in play though.  I'm not well-versed in He-111s and Ju88s but, how many can they carry?

 

He-111 can carry 2x1 ton bombs, but not from every airfields.
And He-111 is so slow compared to Ju88 that almost nobody uses it. It was mainly used during map #1 when we had no Ju88s.
Ju88 can't carry 1 ton bombs, only 500kgs (4x500kgs, so 2000kgs = 2 tons in total, but with a way smaller blast radius)

But Ju88 can also carry 4x250kgs, and multiple 50kgs bombs.

 

So basically 1 ton bombs are almost never used by the German side, except by Stukas (which can carry only one, and are basically flying targets too...)
 

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1 minute ago, -IRRE-Centx said:

 

He-111 can carry 2x1 ton bombs, but not from every airfields.
And He-111 is so slow compared to Ju88 that almost nobody uses it. It was mainly used during maps #1 when we had no Ju88s.
Ju88 can't carry 1 ton bombs, only 500kgs (4x500kgs, so 2000kgs = 2 tons in total, but with a way smaller blast radius)

 

So basically 1 ton bombs are almost never used by the German side, except by Stukas (which can carry only one, and are basically flying targets too...)
 

 Well your top five live pilots disagree about the 111.  Ju-88 still carries 2x as much as max load Pe-2. 

But.... upon looking at a certain pilot's anti-depot raids....  I'm seeing ground kill numbers against facilities totaling 3x what the actual sortie log reports. This is on multiple sorties. Every single anti-depot sortie on this player's list reflects this.  There's even one reporting 72 ground kills with the sortie list showing around 23.  That's even 3x better than the average high-success runs of your best He-111 pilots who top out at 30+ on a good sortie.

  

Maybe you're right.  Maybe bomb loads are balanced.  Maybe VVS lost depots so fast because the server is over-reporting player's damage output.  

 

Maybe someday we can get balanced teams over all time zones too so there's enough to actually defend against Axis and VVS raids going to the depots instead of BOTH sides scrambling to put out the dumpster fires that were started during the respective time zones they were under-manned.

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19 minutes ago, =AVG77=Mobile_BBQ said:

 Well your top five live pilots disagree about the 111.  Ju-88 still carries 2x as much as max load Pe-2. 

But.... upon looking at a certain pilot's anti-depot raids....  I'm seeing ground kill numbers against facilities totaling 3x what the actual sortie log reports. This is on multiple sorties. Every single anti-depot sortie on this player's list reflects this.  There's even one reporting 72 ground kills with the sortie list showing around 23.  That's even 3x better than the average high-success runs of your best He-111 pilots who top out at 30+ on a good sortie.

  

Maybe you're right.  Maybe bomb loads are balanced.  Maybe VVS lost depots so fast because the server is over-reporting player's damage output.  

 

Maybe someday we can get balanced teams over all time zones too so there's enough to actually defend against Axis and VVS raids going to the depots instead of BOTH sides scrambling to put out the dumpster fires that were started during the respective time zones they were under-manned.

 

 

1-ton bombs are pretty incredible all things considered. TAW reports building damage at 3x the actual buildings destroyed. Why? I have no idea. In any case, pe2 right now is the hands down best bomber in the game with the amount of damage it can tank. As you well are aware my last 110 sortie against you resulted in likely 30-40 20mm hits against both of the pe2s and last one had to be taken down with a ram anyway.

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31 minutes ago, =AVG77=Mobile_BBQ said:

Maybe VVS lost depots so fast because the server is over-reporting player's damage output. 

 

Completely wrong.

 

Just for your knowledge:

Yes a hangar or an industrial building is counted as 3 ground kills, that's how TAW rewards bombers (it works on airfield buildings too by the way, and it counts x3 for VVS too if you ask)

But in order to destroy a depot, you have to destroy EVERY building on it.

So 3x kills reward or not, it doesn't matter at all, since you have to completely delete the depot from the map anyway.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, -IRRE-Centx said:

 

Completely wrong.

 

Just for your knowledge:

Yes a hangar or an industrial building is counted as 3 ground kills, that's how TAW rewards bombers (it works on airfield buildings too by the way, and it counts x3 for VVS too if you ask)

But in order to destroy a depot, you have to destroy EVERY building on it.

So 3x kills reward or not, it doesn't matter at all, since you have to completely delete the depot from the map anyway.

 

 

OK. I did look at my own sorties and see you are right.  Apologies. 

 

However, I've seen depots left with buildings standing that went down when the mission rolled, so there is a number calculation involved.  You certainly do not have to 100% a facility on the in-game map.  You only need to get it past the post-mission calculation threshold. 

 

Anyway, 72 ground kills in one sortie and other missions that are 3x higher in GKs than any other top ground killer is impressive.  @xJammer enjoy the #1 ground kill slot you'll apparently be reaching soon.  I guess the Bf-110 isn't as weak or useless as some others seem to think.  Sorry, I lost my cool, too.  I still think on-purpose ramming is dirty pool and a bit douche-y, but there's no rules or un-realism about it so... golf clap for you!  :good:

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1 hour ago, =AVG77=Mobile_BBQ said:

how many can they carry?

 

Ju 88 can carry 2 x 1000 Kg although that loadout is blocked in TAW, it can carry 4 x 500 Kg + 2 x 250 Kg which is very good, 2500 Kg of bombs and you can disperse the damage.

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55 minutes ago, =AVG77=Mobile_BBQ said:

I guess the Bf-110 isn't as weak or useless as some others seem to think.


Whoever says this, it's because he is not good at all with it. The Bf110 when in good hands is the most capable aircraft i have fought against in TAW;  it can do everything, a great attack plane (great speed, great load, very resistant); also best il2+Pe2 killer so a formidable fighter -a bit too much IMO under il2 great battles- which also can fight 1v1 any VVS fighter in TAW, it can follow it during a couple of turns, climb with it, everything, and once you finally got his 6, your shots are not so effective from there so you need tons of ammo to shoot it down, or huge ammount of time to put yourself in a good attacking position  while you have to worry about it's gunner. It's also fast and can reach it's airfield on one engine like nothing, not an issue. 

The Bf110 it's a beast.

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18 minutes ago, 666GIAP_Chimango said:

which also can fight 1v1 any VVS fighter in TAW

 

Until the VVS pilots learn to use their roll rate. 

 

The 110s FM seems to be quite wonky though. You can pull the stick as much as you want and you won't be able to stall it.

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54 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

 

Until the VVS pilots learn to use their roll rate. 

 

The 110s FM seems to be quite wonky though. You can pull the stick as much as you want and you won't be able to stall it.

 

 

Nah   you stall it alright, just takes a lot of effort. 

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7 hours ago, 666GIAP_Chimango said:


Whoever says this, it's because he is not good at all with it. The Bf110 when in good hands is the most capable aircraft i have fought against in TAW;  it can do everything, a great attack plane (great speed, great load, very resistant); also best il2+Pe2 killer so a formidable fighter -a bit too much IMO under il2 great battles- which also can fight 1v1 any VVS fighter in TAW, it can follow it during a couple of turns, climb with it, everything, and once you finally got his 6, your shots are not so effective from there so you need tons of ammo to shoot it down, or huge ammount of time to put yourself in a good attacking position  while you have to worry about it's gunner. It's also fast and can reach it's airfield on one engine like nothing, not an issue. 

The Bf110 it's a beast.


The Bf 110G-2 Yes.
The Bf 110E...No. 

Both are very good ground attack planes. Even the E is a very good bomber killer. But any VVS pilot that honestly has trouble vs a 110E, shouldn't be flying fighters. The engines and pilot are very vulnerable, and because of it's profile, very easy to disable at least one engine with mediocre accuracy. Let's not get carried away. It is a good plane used to it's strengths. But she's not a 'beast' ;)

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1 hour ago, StG77_Kondor said:


The Bf 110G-2 Yes.
The Bf 110E...No. 

Both are very good ground attack planes. Even the E is a very good bomber killer. But any VVS pilot that honestly has trouble vs a 110E, shouldn't be flying fighters. The engines and pilot are very vulnerable, and because of it's profile, very easy to disable at least one engine with mediocre accuracy. Let's not get carried away. It is a good plane used to it's strengths. But she's not a 'beast' ;)

 

I do agree the "E" is no "beast" (especially in warmer weather) but, it is VERY capable even as a fighter when flown well. I've put a few "well known" names into the ground "one on one", and even had a couple others disengage and flee. It also helps to have at least 1 escort. I usually have at least one guy with me. I'm no "ace in a flight" guy, but I can hold my own in the 110.

 

8 hours ago, Operation_Ivy said:

 

not in horizontal turns i think

 

False. You have to be SLOW, but any 110 pilot worth his/her mettle will not get that slow in the first place. As speed decreases, so do your options, and quite rapidly in the 110.

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6 hours ago, =AWACS=CG_Justin said:

False. You have to be SLOW, but any 110 pilot worth his/her mettle will not get that slow in the first place. As speed decreases, so do your options, and quite rapidly in the 110.

 

Can you get that slow when you keep flying on combat power?

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27 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

 

Can you get that slow when you keep flying on combat power?

yes. the E bleeds speed like mad in tight turns

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36 minutes ago, DerSheriff said:

yes. the E bleeds speed like mad in tight turns

 

Well this goes without saying but you can go as slow as ~160 kph without stalling the 110 in tight turns. This however meets the specifications as far as i know.

 

I am surprised that people suddenly notice the good turning abilities of the 110 though. Anyway, start using your roll and the 110 won't even be nearly as big of a threat anymore. 

 

In the end i like that the 110 gets more popular. It leads to a more diverse plane setting.

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5 hours ago, Operation_Ivy said:

 

Well this goes without saying but you can go as slow as ~160 kph without stalling the 110 in tight turns. This however meets the specifications as far as i know.

 

I am surprised that people suddenly notice the good turning abilities of the 110 though. Anyway, start using your roll and the 110 won't even be nearly as big of a threat anymore. 

 

In the end i like that the 110 gets more popular. It leads to a more diverse plane setting.

 

Suddenly? I've been handing it to the enemy for quite a while now. Like I said, I'm no ace pilot, but any 110 pilot that expects to live long enough to go home should have these skills. The 110 is not about simply dropping bombs. It's an attack aircraft, and it attacks the ground very well, but it can also attack fighters. I feel that many people refuse to think outside the box and actually use the 110 within it's performance envelope. It has a HUGE wing loading so it turns very well. Don't be mad when your Yak has slightly less energy and loses the fight. The 110 loses energy quickly, but maintains well under combat power at low speeds. The Yak struggles to accelerate the same way as the 110, but the Yak only has one engine. The biggest mistake I see pilot's make is thinking "easy kill", my response? "Slow down a bit and I'll show yo how easy this kill is". I'll engage anyone here, one on one, with equal E...you will probably kill me.....but an easy kill it will not be.

 

p.s. The 110 has handy rudders placed right in the prop wash of the engines.....you ALWAYS have rudder authority unless you have an engine out, or one rudder shot away. Gee.....how can I use this to maneuver? 🤔

Also, to add to my a fore mentioned comments, have AT LEAST one (very good) fighter with you...it's hard to lose. Your partner may always get the air kill....but in the 110, bombs on target are what racks the points up....food for thought.

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I deeply appologize for next text. But I'm in rage:

 

https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=41477&name=I./JG1_Pragr

 

I killed two tanks in fact during that sortie. I even was able to shot down Lagg-3 which overshoot my Hs129! :) Then come three fancy 109 jockies which were not even aware there is another enemy fighter over enemy tanks I was attacking. No, beacuse they're focusing on their most important job: shotting down friendly plane. Please guys go to the hell and learn the aircraft recognition first! It's impossible to win campaign with such ... "ersatz" material.

 

For rest of community: Once again I'm sorry for exhausting my rage publicly. 

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On 12/10/2018 at 7:08 PM, 666GIAP_Chimango said:


Whoever says this, it's because he is not good at all with it. The Bf110 when in good hands is the most capable aircraft i have fought against in TAW;  it can do everything, a great attack plane (great speed, great load, very resistant); also best il2+Pe2 killer so a formidable fighter -a bit too much IMO under il2 great battles- which also can fight 1v1 any VVS fighter in TAW, it can follow it during a couple of turns, climb with it, everything, and once you finally got his 6, your shots are not so effective from there so you need tons of ammo to shoot it down, or huge ammount of time to put yourself in a good attacking position  while you have to worry about it's gunner. It's also fast and can reach it's airfield on one engine like nothing, not an issue. 

The Bf110 it's a beast.

 

 

Fighting you a few times was very fun! :) 

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1 hour ago, I./JG1_Pragr said:

I deeply appologize for next text. But I'm in rage:

 

https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=41477&name=I./JG1_Pragr

 

I killed two tanks in fact during that sortie. I even was able to shot down Lagg-3 which overshoot my Hs129! :) Then come three fancy 109 jockies which were not even aware there is another enemy fighter over enemy tanks I was attacking. No, beacuse they're focusing on their most important job: shotting down friendly plane. Please guys go to the hell and learn the aircraft recognition first! It's impossible to win campaign with such ... "ersatz" material.

 

For rest of community: Once again I'm sorry for exhausting my rage publicly. 

 

Damn man, Im sorry. Not only 1 but actually 4 dumbasses shot you lol. Woth fighters like that who needs the VVS?

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3 hours ago, I./JG1_Pragr said:

I deeply appologize for next text. But I'm in rage:

 

https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=41477&name=I./JG1_Pragr

 

I killed two tanks in fact during that sortie. I even was able to shot down Lagg-3 which overshoot my Hs129! :) Then come three fancy 109 jockies which were not even aware there is another enemy fighter over enemy tanks I was attacking. No, beacuse they're focusing on their most important job: shotting down friendly plane. Please guys go to the hell and learn the aircraft recognition first! It's impossible to win campaign with such ... "ersatz" material.

 

For rest of community: Once again I'm sorry for exhausting my rage publicly. 

I vote for 3 days ban for those 3 guys... really?! 3 guys shooting that plane with Lagg wing to wing... all in vr or something? I know that hs is rare in the field but please...that's so miserable and shameful...

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5 hours ago, I./JG1_Pragr said:

I deeply appologize for next text. But I'm in rage:

 

https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=41477&name=I./JG1_Pragr

 

I killed two tanks in fact during that sortie. I even was able to shot down Lagg-3 which overshoot my Hs129! :) Then come three fancy 109 jockies which were not even aware there is another enemy fighter over enemy tanks I was attacking. No, beacuse they're focusing on their most important job: shotting down friendly plane. Please guys go to the hell and learn the aircraft recognition first! It's impossible to win campaign with such ... "ersatz" material.

 

For rest of community: Once again I'm sorry for exhausting my rage publicly. 

How does anyone confuse a Duck for VVS?! I can see mistaking a Bf110 for a Pe-2, or maybe even a Fw190 for a La5, but what does a Duck possibly look like...other than a Duck?

 

Surviving in that bird is hard enough already without your own side going after you!

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