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We are adding those planes on a last map also when p51 will appear we will add K4. These planes are temporary and they will be moved away to BoB map only when its released.

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Artur I take that. We are thinking of joining TAW from day one this time and just wondering how you gonna cope with new planes. Thats all

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Unbelievable, LW has a great advantage in planes performance specially after last two patches and they are still whining complaining about the 23mm on the Lagg-3?

 

What a bunch of spoiled kids this community has. And it's probably the same people asking for the K4 in TAW right now; amazing.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, ECV56_Chimango said:

Unbelievable, LW has a great advantage in planes performance specially after last two patches and they are still whining complaining about the 23mm on the Lagg-3?

 

 

Who's complaining against 23mm? 

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1 hour ago, =LG=Leutnant_Artur said:

We are adding those planes on a last map also when p51 will appear we will add K4. These planes are temporary and they will be moved away to BoB map only when its released.

 

Can you add more maps to map rotation? I doubt anyone ever complained that TAW was too long :biggrin:

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At this stage it is difficult to make new maps. It is possible that we will make a new map of Kuban with the Kerch Peninsula. But not in the upcoming campaign.

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About add a new map.... maybe is posible repeat last 8 map, and simply change planetset avaliable?

 

Any change planned on  TAWmechanics for next edition? 

 

thx

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, 2/JG26_BadUncleSam said:

For the first time, the K4 Germans are much more effective than the Allies, so we will not let them. And P-47 is not a UFO?  😄 😄 😄

 

First time?

 

Axis enjoy uninterrupted superiority from first map all the way map 7, where allies get La-5FN and can at least somewhat compete in sub 3000m range. 

 

The A-8 is just more heavily armed A-5, but G-14 is more than match for Spit 9 and P-47.  Adding K4 without Typhoon or P-51 is just asking for no one to fly allied during that time. 

 

Remember, everyone, how fun map 2 was when F4's were seal clubbing I-16? 

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2 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

First time?

 

Axis enjoy uninterrupted superiority from first map all the way map 7, where allies get La-5FN and can at least somewhat compete in sub 3000m range. 

 

The A-8 is just more heavily armed A-5, but G-14 is more than match for Spit 9 and P-47.  Adding K4 without Typhoon or P-51 is just asking for no one to fly allied during that time. 

 

Please do not assume! Define the superiority not in fancy papers and of course not how it should be in real life, but in game. I have said many times planes are flown by pilots, so there is no uninterrupted superiority only behaviour of flying. IT IS A GAME! It has nothing to do with reality. It simulates up to a point the possibility that it could have been like that. 

 

Probably it is my fault that the old things came again forward. My point with the K4 was to see all the planes in the map.

 

We all read and we all have our points of view. You can find thousand videos on you tube, books to read but nothing that explains the situation as it was. You don't know the condition that there were filmed or for what purpose they were published. You can assume or even accept without questioning the motives. Do not forget, history always will be written by the winners and the more far away you stand from the actual event, the more small changes the will be added.  

  

Now how easy for some of us to lead the conversation to personal believes is unbelievable and it is surprises me a lot. 

 

I think that there is no place in this section to discuss about superiority of planes when we all know the flaws of the game.

 

I am really waiting for the next TAW as I'm enjoying a lot to fly and I like much more to meet in air with this very big and wonderful community independently of the outcome of a dogfight or the TAW itself. 

 

tnx @Daedalos

 

PS.  I remember back in the early days of BoS when then DEVS where advertising about that superiority that many of you like to describe and that everybody has to accepted as it is. I am flying simulators, starting back from AMIGA and I only have to say the effort to redefine the word superiority that has been done to this simulator is not to be found elsewhere in the world of flying simulators. It is a pity from a point of view, but at the moment it is the only simulator with enough multiplayer game to enjoy, hopefully not for far long.      

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1 hour ago, 335th_GRDaedalos said:

 

Please do not assume! Define the superiority not in fancy papers and of course not how it should be in real life, but in game.

 

 

Axis got bigger bombers, bigger bombs, more ground attacker choices, faster ground attackers, faster low and high altitude machines...

 

Axis got more players on nearly any given timezone, and they enjoy larger proportional disparity in numbers on low pop timezones when reds have 1-5 pilots and blues have 10-20.

  

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26 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

Axis got bigger bombers, bigger bombs, more ground attacker choices, faster ground attackers, faster low and high altitude machines...

 

Axis got more players on nearly any given timezone, and they enjoy larger proportional disparity in numbers on low pop timezones when reds have 1-5 pilots and blues have 10-20.

  

 

I can say only that you are a big proof to what I've noticed before. If you were a little bit more careful you could have notice that the Hosts have made a great effort to balance the bombers. Fly once at blue side and you will see. They are BIG restrictions. 

 

As for the second point. Many reds lost their interest on flying after map five, when it was understood that they cannot win the war. Until then it was quite balance and actually I must say it kept that way almost till the end. That balance that you are referring to, it may proved otherwise. And I ensure you, there were many times that it was quite unbalanced the other way.

 

For me it is a very unfortune fact to choose not to warm participate to a campaign till the end because you don't like the outcome. It only shows immaturity. Fight till the end. It's a game and we are trying to have fun.

 

It really a pity @Siddy to read something like that from you, because you are a great pilot, well informed and in many other posts, you were more adequate expressed. 

 

Please let us leave it behind. I admit it I was wrong asking something that probably disturbs a lot. Lets try to have fun.

 

tnx 

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3 hours ago, 2/JG26_BadUncleSam said:

For the first time, the K4 Germans are much more effective than the Allies, so we will not let them. And P-47 is not a UFO?  😄 😄 😄

 

"For the first time" lolololololololololol ... man you crack me up! lolololololol

 

Also, hoping to see some LW stackers switching around this time ... There are people/squadrons that have never ... ever switched sides or care about balance. Maybe, just maybe, consider it this time around?

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TAW should have a "best out of 9" series.  Win 5 and it's TAW over. The remaining maps are halted.

 

If it's needed to go to MAP #9 to break the 4-4 tie and determine the winner, the MAP #9 should be the LARGEST map available to the BOS series, and the plane/weapon set should be EVERYTHING currently available to each team respectively.  Attrition limits should be increased by 2x and everybody gets +1 of their team's weakest/most obsolete fighter, attacker and bomber, plus +2 of a transport type. All other planes would need to be earned through combat/transport missions. 

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10 minutes ago, SCG_Riksen said:

Also, hoping to see some LW stackers switching around this time ... There are people/squadrons that have never ... ever switched sides or care about balance. Maybe, just maybe, consider it this time around?

 

You cannot force people to flip side by saying things like that.

 

Probably you are a natural and comfortable with flying for both sides as you are well performing with both types of planes. And this is probably how it should be. Me, unfortunately not. 

 

In the old il2 and ADW our squadron use to fly mostly blue but many times we flew also Red, usually under other call sign. 

 

By having now difficulty to find enough time to fly, I found it very difficult for most of us to change sides. It is impossible to assimilate all the variations of LW planes, imagine what will happen if we jump to VVS. It is getting harder with the age 😉.

 

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1 hour ago, SCG_Riksen said:

 

"For the first time" lolololololololololol ... man you crack me up! lolololololol

 

 

 

Man, why are you so mean?  

 

Axis finally got to be competitive with K4 and no one wants to add it to TAW :( 

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32 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

Man, why are you so mean?  

 

Axis finally got to be competitive with K4 and no one wants to add it to TAW :( 

 

Can't wait that this singular statement becomes another trope for you to bring up every time someone comes up with a reasonable statement...

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3 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

 

Can't wait that this singular statement becomes another trope for you to bring up every time someone comes up with a reasonable statement...

 

I cant tell if you are being ironic or serious here.... 

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Some blue-only guys who are very active at the forums can be defined with one simple example:  Lagg-3 in TAW.

 

The 109F4 is faster, climbs like an F-15, accelerates like a rocket, out dives the Lagg and also turns better, it's better in every single aspect performance-wise, also being able to carry 2x20mm gunpods, yes, 3x20mm total on a prime (best) fighter during 41'...but ohhh,  the Lagg-3 can have 23mm...so "ban that OP gun!" (unfortunately TAW admins bent to that demand as well)

 

Same people who loves easy kills, same people who loves stacking sides and fighting 50-8, same people who calls the P-47 an UFO while asking for the 109K4, etc.

 

Generally it's funny, sometimes it becomes really annoying.

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27 minutes ago, ECV56_Chimango said:

Some blue-only guys who are very active at the forums can be defined with one simple example:  Lagg-3 in TAW.

 

The 109F4 is faster, climbs like an F-15, accelerates like a rocket, out dives the Lagg and also turns better, it's better in every single aspect performance-wise, also being able to carry 2x20mm gunpods, yes, 3x20mm total on a prime (best) fighter during 41'...but ohhh,  the Lagg-3 can have 23mm...so "ban that OP gun!" (unfortunately TAW admins bent to that demand as well)

 

Same people who loves easy kills, same people who loves stacking sides and fighting 50-8, same people who calls the P-47 an UFO while asking for the 109K4, etc.

 

Generally it's funny, sometimes it becomes really annoying.

 

@Chimago the famous troll....

 

Please if you are playing another game do not bother to write in this section. Please keep your personal problem to yourself. if you want to downgrade the discussion to your level not everybody can tolerate that. 

 

You are not ironic or smart. You are just being sarcastic. Bad quality to a man.

 

Sorry for my language.

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I know it hurts that why I will recommend to you some painkillers.

 

You can try Panadol Extra preferable, nurogesic 500, lonarid N, or oxynorm and even oxycotin, although I am not really sure that they can help with your problem.

 

More suitable could be stesolid, Xanax or Efexor 

😂😂😉

 

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To try to at least add to the topic: At the end of the day this is a game, and it's not intended to recreate actual war conditions. If it were, things like Russian numbers superiority would be somehow modeled, or Axis running out of fuel in '45 or whatever. At the end of the day for the game to be fun then server admins need to create a more-or-less balanced set of maps and attract a more-or-less balanced player population on both sides. This is more important than historical 'accuracy' since without these elements no-one will play or it will be much less fun.

 

I'm excited to hear about the plans for a BoBP map. That will eventually provide a very natural place for the higher powered late-war aircraft to have some fun. I realized last night while flying an advanced P-47 superfighter UFO (LOL!) that one thing I really like about TAW is it forces you to play a bit slower. You have to work through each map's plane set, to slowly upgrade your capabilities over several maps. I am looking forward to flying the I-16 because it's such a *fun* aircraft. I also look forward to 'earning' a P-47 or Spitfire and having some fun in those planes too.

 

My thanks to the TAW organizers for doing a difficult job and putting in a lot of work to create a fun, balanced, meaningful server for us to play on.

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14 minutes ago, Alonzo said:

To try to at least add to the topic: At the end of the day this is a game, and it's not intended to recreate actual war conditions. If it were, things like Russian numbers superiority would be somehow modeled, or Axis running out of fuel in '45 or whatever. At the end of the day for the game to be fun then server admins need to create a more-or-less balanced set of maps and attract a more-or-less balanced player population on both sides. This is more important than historical 'accuracy' since without these elements no-one will play or it will be much less fun.

 

I'm excited to hear about the plans for a BoBP map. That will eventually provide a very natural place for the higher powered late-war aircraft to have some fun. I realized last night while flying an advanced P-47 superfighter UFO (LOL!) that one thing I really like about TAW is it forces you to play a bit slower. You have to work through each map's plane set, to slowly upgrade your capabilities over several maps. I am looking forward to flying the I-16 because it's such a *fun* aircraft. I also look forward to 'earning' a P-47 or Spitfire and having some fun in those planes too.

 

My thanks to the TAW organizers for doing a difficult job and putting in a lot of work to create a fun, balanced, meaningful server for us to play on.

 

This is exactly what I was saying @Alonzo and this approach is the correct one. I like the German planes more than the allied, that is why I said K4. I am not complain for the guns, FM, DM although I may found some moments strange. I do not characterise nobody. I just asked a simply question and I was attacked like I have insulted the intelligence of some people, or their divine.

 

For me it is a game and I have nothing to prove. I do not invest on that because I do believe that it is not worth to invest to something that keeps away from reality. That is why I play only when my friends are in the lobby. (well to say the truth sometimes I try multiplayer servers as by myself 😉 sssshhh!)

 

It is not a sport it is not a hobby. It a way to spent some time with my friends. So I am trying to have us much fun as I can have. That's why I am very grateful to the Hosts that they gave us the opportunity to have fun.

 

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@Daedalos

   

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1 hour ago, ECV56_Chimango said:

Some blue-only guys who are very active at the forums can be defined with one simple example:  Lagg-3 in TAW.

 

The 109F4 is faster, climbs like an F-15, accelerates like a rocket, out dives the Lagg and also turns better, it's better in every single aspect performance-wise, also being able to carry 2x20mm gunpods, yes, 3x20mm total on a prime (best) fighter during 41'...but ohhh,  the Lagg-3 can have 23mm...so "ban that OP gun!" (unfortunately TAW admins bent to that demand as well)

 

Same people who loves easy kills, same people who loves stacking sides and fighting 50-8, same people who calls the P-47 an UFO while asking for the 109K4, etc.

 

Generally it's funny, sometimes it becomes really annoying.

 

You know what helps? 

 

ignoring stupid comments and focus on arguments that actually are sound and valid. I know some people really enjoy to jump at the smallest chance to stir up some unnecessary discussion but still. 

 

You are confusing two different lines of argumentation, which frankly really bothers me. Mainly because it makes things even worse especially because i think someone like you, who frequents the forum quite regularly, should know better.

You are building up a balance discussion when most people are against the 23mm because it is simply unhistorical (unrealistic or whatever you want to call it). Not because it is too strong. Same goes for multiple other examples.

 

General rule: Don't feed the trolls.

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27 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

 

You are building up a balance discussion when most people are against the 23mm because it is simply unhistorical (unrealistic or whatever you want to call it). Not because it is too strong. 

 

 

I believe the arguments were "there were only handful of them in the wild", while happily having Stukas with 37mms in first map. 

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1 hour ago, 335th_GRDaedalos said:

 

@Chimago the famous troll....

 

Just put him on your ignore list like most of us do. All of his posts are complaining about "blue whining" and that reds dont get enough "goodies"

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Exactly Siddy. And please, Ivy don't, not again this never ending "historical" arguement, if you wanna go historical, then on first maps give LW 25 slots and 55 to VVS, just to show an example.

 

I'm not confusing anything, the truth is every time VVS has a little advantage, it is followed by tons of forum crying most of the time unjustified. Pe2 gunners this, Vya23mm that, red AAA this and that. They fully forget all those advantages they have, and pick on the very few the other side has. It makes me remember old il2 1946, LW would be happy having massive advantage during most maps, seal clubbing VVS planes in their F4s, G2s and A4s...till La5FN showed up and then it was all about the "uber plane paranoia".

 

I love TAW and it is the best server...but lately has become a "campaign on demand" and i don´t like that.

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8 hours ago, 335th_GRDaedalos said:

 

You cannot force people to flip side by saying things like that.

 

😉

 

 

 

You sure can, sign up sheets. When one side is getting stacked on a side in a time zone that side halts recruiting.

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1 hour ago, 7./JG26_Smokejumper said:

 

 

You sure can, sign up sheets. When one side is getting stacked on a side in a time zone that side halts recruiting.

honestly last TAW was fairly balanced till the later maps and a lot of people seem to be going red now so it should be better. 

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2 hours ago, Banzaii said:

Can we expect BoBo aircraft in this TAW?

Yes, A-8, G-14, Spit IX and P-47.

 

Probably on the last two maps. 

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New TAW campaign starts on Sunday 25.11.2018 at about 11:00 UTC

 

 

Change log:

  • Kuban map: roads and bridges have been fixed. New front line at the beginning of the map.
  • Pilot gets the Combat Mission also by air assist or damaging ground unit.
  • If server is full and pilot ends his sortie as Killed or Captured then he is removed from the server. This will increase rotation of the players and it will be easier to join the server during busy hours.
  • Enemy airfield is able to self-repair using its supplies after two consecutive mission without being attacked. The rate of airfield self-repairing has been reduced a little bit.
  • Tank convoy, which is close to the enemy city (about 15km)  will not attack this city (it will not move forward for one mission) if defense position is in “Good” status after that mission. The defense position status is “Good” if it has more than 70% of its total strength.
  • Limiter: when there is a big difference in numbers of players between sides then front line airfields are not available (closed) for bigger side. Players are forced to takeoff from the further airfields. The limiter also takes into account number of pilots that took off from the front line airfields. When they ends their sorties and number of “front line pilots” is lower than calculated limit then airfields are opened again. The limiter is inactive for the first 15 minutes when everyone is joining the server and when bigger side has less then 10 pilots. Border airfields are not closed by the limiter. It’s allowed to land on the airfield closed by the limiter. To distinguish between airfields temporarily closed by the limiter and airfields closed from the beginning of the map (not allowed to land)  please check the mission briefing or TAW website map.
  • The Ju-52 is no longer CM+1 plane. The pilot will get a new Ju-52 with other aircraft every time he collects 3 CM.
  • Different experience points for destroying different type of: tanks, vehicles, AA and aircraft (manual will be updated later)

 

  • Number of tank convoys depend on the time. Less convoys when low number of players and possible more convoys when high number of players on the server.
  • Number of GAZ-AA M4 has been reduced in tank convoys.
  • No email required during registration 
  • Plane set: table is not ready yet but in general: limited I-16 with 20mm on map#1, no F-4 on map #2,  some BoBP planes on map #8

 

 

Registration is open.

 

 

Good luck!

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first

 

Yay, now lets see if axis get less people this time so i can join it with clean conscious. 

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1 hour ago, =LG=Kathon said:
  • Limiter: when there is a big difference in numbers of players between sides then front line airfields are not available (closed) for bigger side. Players are forced to takeoff from the further airfields. The limiter also takes into account number of pilots that took off from the front line airfields. When they ends their sorties and number of “front line pilots” is lower than calculated limit then airfields are opened again. The limiter is inactive for the first 15 minutes when everyone is joining the server and when bigger side has less then 10 pilots. Border airfields are not closed by the limiter. It’s allowed to land on the airfield closed by the limiter. To distinguish between airfields temporarily closed by the limiter and airfields closed from the beginning of the map (not allowed to land)  please check the mission briefing or TAW website map.

 

This here is specially nice. Can't wait to test it :)

 

Thank you Kathon!

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