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Based on STEAM DLC list:

 

 

 

Aircraft and Helos:
-DCS: F/A-18C Hornet
-DCS: F4U-1 Corsair
-DCS: AJS-37 Viggen
-DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt
-DCS: Spitfire Mk IX
-DCS: SA342M Gazelle
-DCS: F-5E Tiger II
-DCS: F-14 Tomcat
-DCS: M-2000C

Theaters:
-DCS: NEVADA Test and Training Range Map
-DCS: Strait of Hormuz Map
-DCS: Iwo Jima Map

Campaings
-A-10C: Enemy Within Campaign
-A-10C: Red Flag Campaign
-F-15C: Red Flag Campaign

F/A-18C, P-47D and Spitfire Mk IX , Nevada and Hormuz, and the A-10C and F-15C has produced by Eagle Dynamics.                                                                                                 F-5E has maked by Belsimtek, M-2000C by RAZBAM, SA342 by Polychop, A-10C: Enemy within campaing by Baltic Dragon and F-14,                                                                       F4U-1, AJS-37 y Iwo Jima Map by Leatherneck.
 

 

 

With F4U-1, Iwo Jima map and some Zero AI can be "simulated":

 

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/811HDP4jb6L._SL1500_.jpg

 

OK that VMF-214 fly on Salomons and the F4U "over Ivo Jima" was he F4U-1D, but the TV series, like DCWS, is mere "what if"...  :lol:

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I knew it was the Viggen! Yay for SAAB aircraft coming onboard. There is still one theatre to be announced though, I'm curious about what will it be.

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An F4U-1 and what else for Iwo Jima? Aircraft carrier? AI opposition (air and ground)? Not going to be much good on its own...

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Zero wont be Ai, I'm more than certain of it. It's more a matter of question which Zeke and which model of F4U-1 we end up with, early one with birdcage or late one with Water injection and multiple changes ... 

 

Also, on the forums someone brought a comments from Cobra and it seems that Iwo-Jima is a first step, next will be much bigger Okinawa. They also work on Ai targets and here I'd place my bets on stuff like Ki-43, Ki-84, J2M, N1K and some bombers like G4M/Ki-67 maybe. 

 

And top of the things is that you dont have to pay for the map, if I understood revelations correctly if a person buy a module LS made, the map will be given for free as a part of a pack. That is so much better than paying 50 $ for training map like Nevada.

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A Corsair and a pacific scenario in DCS 2.0? Now that's awesome. Hopefully they don't hesitate too long befor adding some Japanese aircraft to it.

 

Carrier ops in DCS will be fun for sure :)

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No, this is being done by LNS, they are a third party developer. LNS has stated they will be including a map and AI units with their upcoming modules, so the F4U-1 vs Su-33 (as a stand in for an A6M) scenario shouldn't be an issue. Still have no interest in it though. DCS is an absolutely awful WW2 sim due to the damage modeling and AI FM's. And those are things only ED itself can fix, third parties like LNS simply have no control over it. Regardless, I find the Viggen marginally interesting. The plane is a footnote in military aviation, but it does offer supersonic precision strike ability. So that will be something new for DCS.

 

Edit: BTW, both these modules are planned to be released by the end of the month, though that seems unlikely to me.

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Iwo Jima will be great, but I was personally hoping for Korea or Vietnam, so I'd have a reason to buy the MiG-15, P-51 D, MiG-21, F-86, and UH-1 H. A mission where you drop supplies to 6 RAR during the Battle of Long Tan would be pretty damn good.

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No, this is being done by LNS, they are a third party developer. LNS has stated they will be including a map and AI units with their upcoming modules, so the F4U-1 vs Su-33 (as a stand in for an A6M) scenario shouldn't be an issue. Still have no interest in it though. DCS is an absolutely awful WW2 sim due to the damage modeling and AI FM's. And those are things only ED itself can fix, third parties like LNS simply have no control over it. Regardless, I find the Viggen marginally interesting. The plane is a footnote in military aviation, but it does offer supersonic precision strike ability. So that will be something new for DCS.

 

Edit: BTW, both these modules are planned to be released by the end of the month, though that seems unlikely to me.

That is true, DM and in particular Ai FMs and DMs are terrible. Fighting any Ai is so unpleasant when you see it eating half of the ammo load and still not going down. 

 

 

Iwo Jima will be great, but I was personally hoping for Korea or Vietnam, so I'd have a reason to buy the MiG-15, P-51 D, MiG-21, F-86, and UH-1 H. A mission where you drop supplies to 6 RAR during the Battle of Long Tan would be pretty damn good.

Yeah, well, there are barely any people flying those. I havent seen a single server focused around Korean conflict, and except for initial excitement after release of MiG 15 ... all just went quiet. 

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I don't get the motivation for recreating Iwo Jima for a flight sim, especially if it's the only part of the War in the Pacific you're doing. 

 

I mean, sure there'll be around a months worth of ground pounding to do for the F4Us (mainly against dug-in troops with no heavy equipment. This will really need modelled infantry to work), but as an air battle, wasn't it more or less over after the first couple of days? IIRC about half the Zekes present were massacred on the first defensive mission they flew and the rest didn't last much longer. Then a few days of Kamikaze attacks, and then what?

 

Compared to a map of the Solomon Islands, Rabaul or New Guinea itself, or maybe a Leyte Gulf map, Iwo Jima just seems to offer very few opportunities for historical air battles.

 

Maybe I'm oblivious to the real reason behind their priorities, but some of the choices made by different developers for DCS modules just seem odd.

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I don't get the motivation for recreating Iwo Jima for a flight sim, especially if it's the only part of the War in the Pacific you're doing. 

It's a small map to try new things, its first project of that type fir them. I guess they are just using as a step to Okinawa.

 

 

 

I mean, sure there'll be around a months worth of ground pounding to do for the F4Us (mainly against dug-in troops with no heavy equipment. This will really need modelled infantry to work), but as an air battle, wasn't it more or less over after the first couple of days? IIRC about half the Zekes present were massacred on the first defensive mission they flew and the rest didn't last much longer. Then a few days of Kamikaze attacks, and then what?

Thats more or less what happened, in late June 1944 and first days of July.  

 

 

 

Compared to a map of the Solomon Islands, Rabaul or New Guinea itself, or maybe a Leyte Gulf map, Iwo Jima just seems to offer very few opportunities for historical air battles.

But its supposed to go for free if you buy one of their modules. 

 

 

 

Maybe I'm oblivious to the real reason behind their priorities, but some of the choices made by different developers for DCS modules just seem odd.

That one actually looks logical, only if proper aircraft will be built for it. That would call for A6M5b and Ki-43-II.

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I wish them all the best as a fan of flight sims, but  Ido really struggle to understand the logic of their releases. I guess it'S just people doing what they want to do, but a little coordination or forward planning could reap so many benefits.

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God knows what the motivation is, but it's nothing coordinated that's for sure...

DCS World is not like IL-2 or LOMAC which aimed to deliver a set scenario.

 

DCSW obviously aims to be more like a combat flight sim version of FSX/P3D and XPlane

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Iwo makes sense. It's world famous, small enough for a first map and it's included with the Corsair, not separate. That said personally I don't look forward much to either considering the mentioned pathetic DM in DCS that extends even to player planes. I've taken multiple direct 23mm hits in everyone of the WW2 planes without taking any damage at all, that's just something they should be ashamed of.

 

The Viggen on the other hand, gimme those roadside bases!

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Should be the most anticipated addon of 2019. Has Normandy been officially dropped then?

 

Where did it say 2019? Anyway, November 27, newsletter: In addition to the Spitfire, we also realize that a World War II combat theatre is more than just the planes, it is also the combat theatre. In parallel with the aircraft, we are also hard at work on the Normandy map as well as many period ground units like tanks and other vehicles. We are committed to creating the most authentic recreation of World War II air combat ever done.

 

Considering ED's approach to simulation, I can personally say that I'm very eagerly waiting for this...

But, VEAO's Typhoon... :blush:

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Count on VEAO, yeah ... good luck with that. They cant even finish the stuff with P40F since months.

 

Yeah, good luck on finding the perfect developer, then. Meanwhile, enjoy! :blush:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT7qrYi8R_M

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I would go for Mirage III instead of 2000.As a counterpart for Arab migs in Six day and Yom Kipur Wars.Well,with map of course.So,no deal for me here.Even Iwo Jima sounds like waste of resources to me.But you could at least take off from Admiral Kuznecov with Corsair :)

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No developer is perfect, but there are at least those who deliver the things and there are those who say that they deliver the things. VEAO didnt manage to finish the P-40, Hawk still has simplified FM if I'm not mistaken (though advanced/external fm is on its way finally). For me as a customer that is not a good signal. 

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No developer is perfect, but there are at least those who deliver the things and there are those who say that they deliver the things. VEAO didnt manage to finish the P-40, Hawk still has simplified FM if I'm not mistaken (though advanced/external fm is on its way finally). For me as a customer that is not a good signal.

Seems that in light of those problems i hesitate to guess how their long list of aircraft are going to be finished. Was looking forward to them all, but do not understand why getting landing gear to work is such a tough item to get under control, too many variations of code from ED?

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I look at the DCS the same way as I did to this game in the start, it is always good news when they still working on it. But this is in another league. They give you the planes and no playground or toys to blow up. And it still far away from being complete.

But the complexity and learning courve is so long that it can keep you occupied for a year without really getting bored

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I look at the DCS the same way as I did to this game in the start, it is always good news when they still working on it. But this is in another league. They give you the planes and no playground or toys to blow up. And it still far away from being complete.

But the complexity and learning courve is so long that it can keep you occupied for a year without really getting bored

True. Its great how they have ramped up production over the years. Good things to come. I just hope that having multiple versions doesnt drive the 3rd party guys bonkers and cause them to give up.

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True. Its great how they have ramped up production over the years. Good things to come. I just hope that having multiple versions doesnt drive the 3rd party guys bonkers and cause them to give up.

The multiple versions we have now are not here to last. When the Nevada map is complete, it will be merged again with the old black sea terrain, and we will only have one DCS version left. (And maybe one open beta version, like the last few years) 

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wow a lot of undesirable dlcs. aside some the tomcat, i see nothing that piques my interest. how about some whisky cobra action. stop with the nonsense from the vietnam war. the game is set in south ossetia

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I don't get the motivation for recreating Iwo Jima for a flight sim, especially if it's the only part of the War in the Pacific you're doing. 

 

I mean, sure there'll be around a months worth of ground pounding to do for the F4Us (mainly against dug-in troops with no heavy equipment. This will really need modelled infantry to work), but as an air battle, wasn't it more or less over after the first couple of days? IIRC about half the Zekes present were massacred on the first defensive mission they flew and the rest didn't last much longer. Then a few days of Kamikaze attacks, and then what?

 

Compared to a map of the Solomon Islands, Rabaul or New Guinea itself, or maybe a Leyte Gulf map, Iwo Jima just seems to offer very few opportunities for historical air battles.

 

Maybe I'm oblivious to the real reason behind their priorities, but some of the choices made by different developers for DCS modules just seem odd.

 

Yes you are "oblivious"

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Yes you are "oblivious"

Care to enlighten me then? Why is Iwo Jima a good choice for the first Pacific map in DCS?

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Care to enlighten me then? Why is Iwo Jima a good choice for the first Pacific map in DCS?

 

Probably because its a good map for LNS to sink their teeth in and learn the brand new map engine and push it out relatively quickly together with the Corsair and not take a few years modelling Okinawa or the Solomons or half the Philippine archipelago.

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There's a Ju-87D-5 and G-2 coming by the way :) It was announced on the 24th (here)

 

Mirage 2000 is out:

 

mir6lkziy.jpg

 

Harrier GR.7 and GR.9 coming next for RAZBAM (here)

 

I'm looking forward the most to the F-5E and Viggen.

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the fact that they feel comfortable leaving black sea map in that state and move unto things like iwo jima and nevada says everything i need to know. the edges of that terrain look so straight and sharp i could cut a steak with it.

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Damn, I thought you meant a 109G2! The Kurfurst has always seemed too "uber" and not really representative of the 109 family in WWII, and I wish we got a more iconic variant of it in DCS (G6, G14, etc).

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the fact that they feel comfortable leaving black sea map in that state and move unto things like iwo jima and nevada says everything i need to know. the edges of that terrain look so straight and sharp i could cut a steak with it.

Iwo Jima is made by 3rd Party so that point is mute.

 

I'm guessing you can't really upgrade the Black Sea map, it was made in a different engine and is just being ported over. You would have to do the whole thing from scratch. Nevada has also been promised since 2011 A-10C pre-purchase, its not exactly out of the blue.

 

And of course there are other maps in the pipeline which are more "appropiate" for (potential) conflict like Straight of Hormuz.

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Care to enlighten me then? Why is Iwo Jima a good choice for the first Pacific map in DCS?

Your probably right F it shouldnt be the first pacific map but for a lot of people................ call it what you want but its iconic whether thats right or wrong I dont know.

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Your probably right F it shouldnt be the first pacific map but for a lot of people................ call it what you want but its iconic whether thats right or wrong I dont know.

Iconic, sure. But in terms of actual air combat there's just far too little going on, if you want a historic scenario. A Guadalcanal or Rabaul map would give far more opportunities.

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The problem with Iwo Jima is that it is too iconic, any other small Pacific island would have been better, Iwo cannot 'double' or be generally representative, due to its very unique geography

 

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Iconic, sure. But in terms of actual air combat there's just far too little going on, if you want a historic scenario. A Guadalcanal or Rabaul map would give far more opportunities.

Well, there are enough targets for Americans to bomb. Bomb strikes call for fighter escort. Bombers also require some reconnaissance hence a room for seaplanes ...

Than Iwo-Jima had 3 airfields, two fully finished and one under construction. There was enough room for over a hundred Zeros, D3As, B5N, B7N ... whole collection of Navy warbirds and occasionally also Army ones. 

Biggest issue I'd really find would be F4U which was not present there, and besides, it was just a hard machine to fly from carrier. Take-off and landing in 109 K-4 on airfield can be tricky, now F4U on a short deck ... people will have to practice it alot. 

 

Map is small and limited, for sure, but its a first step, sort of demo. Right behind it is Okinawa which is much larger, especially if they would include Kyushu. And Iwo-Jima supposedly is for free, if you buy the F4U. Cant see why anyone would be complaining on that.

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They are, but not the WiP Corsair version, but like the BF 109 K-4 and Fw 190 D-9 "over Normandy", who cares?  :)

 

Anyway, even Bf 109, Fw 190, I-16... "over Iwo Jima" will be common, after all this is " DCSWhatIfWorld";)

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