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Depends who is inside ;)

 

 

Sure, if you avoid combat with enemy single-seaters you should do fine.

 

As far as online goes, I suspect there'll be a surge in interest on release which will last about a week or maybe two.  Once the brave enthusiasts come to realize they can't overcome the physics, interest will fall away sharply.   Beautiful aircraft but obsolete. The Germans didn't develop the 210 (a total disaster) or the 410 (somewhat better but not great), without good reason. :unsure:

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The 110 is coming.

That made my day.

 

Thanks!!

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Sure, if you avoid combat with enemy single-seaters you should do fine.

 

As far as online goes, I suspect there'll be a surge in interest on release which will last about a week or maybe two.  Once the brave enthusiasts come to realize they can't overcome the physics, interest will fall away sharply.   Beautiful aircraft but obsolete. The Germans didn't develop the 210 (a total disaster) or the 410 (somewhat better but not great), without good reason. :unsure:

excuse me...the Me 410 not great?...the Spitfire Killer was very effective in a large number of rolls

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excuse me...the Me 410 not great?...the Spitfire Killer was very effective in a large number of rolls

 

 

Hahahahaha...."the Spitfire killer".  

 

 

Hahahahahaha...OMG....hahahahahahaha .... that's gold right there.  You should be on the stage m8.  "Spit killer"....hahahahahaha.

 

Hmmmm ...maybe tweek it just a bit to 'Mk XIV Spit killer' just to make it sound even more ridiculous.

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I've seen one or two pilot's in '46 who were great with the 410. It is/was decent as a BOMBER killer. Otherwise it is nothing more than fodder in a 1v1 engagement.

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Please, please, please, no more new a/c. As it is I get a headache now deciding what one to fly. And now soon we will have another pile of maps that we have to decide what one to fly on, far too many decisions to have to make.

 

Also you are releasing new versions of the gme far too quickly, how do you expect us to keep up?

 

I think we should all boycot the game and not fly for 3 months unless the devs promise to slow down the rate of development.

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Hahahahaha...."the Spitfire killer".  

 

 

Hahahahahaha...OMG....hahahahahahaha .... that's gold right there.  You should be on the stage m8.  "Spit killer"....hahahahahaha.

 

Hmmmm ...maybe tweek it just a bit to 'Mk XIV Spit killer' just to make it sound even more ridiculous.

mate you really need to learn the meaning of irony...but in all honesty. the Me 410 was very effective in the roles it was supposed to fulfill 

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mate you really need to learn the meaning of irony...

Hmmm. Misuse of the word irony is a pet peeve of mine. There was no irony in your statement - just sayin'.

As far as online goes, I suspect there'll be a surge in interest on release which will last about a week or maybe two.  Once the brave enthusiasts come to realize they can't overcome the physics, interest will fall away sharply.

I was just thinking this myself. Like inclusion of the FW190 initially - I really hope the honeymoon doesn't end in bitter divorce after they see her naked, sans makeup and wonder-bra.

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Sure, if you avoid combat with enemy single-seaters you should do fine.

 

As far as online goes, I suspect there'll be a surge in interest on release which will last about a week or maybe two.  Once the brave enthusiasts come to realize they can't overcome the physics, interest will fall away sharply.   Beautiful aircraft but obsolete.

I don't think so. Of course, very few pilots will be able to handle it in combat but the 110E is mean to be a ground attack plane and it gives you much better chances to survive than in the Stuka in this task

If you meet Il2 or Pe-2 you can attack them. If you are in the Stuka, they will attack you ;)

 

This plane is long time awaited among ground attacker on blue side

IRL, it was the Stuka but not in online games

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Hmmm. Misuse of the word irony is a pet peeve of mine.

I'm looking at YOU Alanis Morissette.  :angry:

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nope I get this tomorrow  :salute:  :P

Something I hadn't really thought about until I read Mastiff's comment was how much tighter the testing process must be with this IL-2. I'm sure most everyone remembers how easy it was to find the original Il-2's betas and test patches online.

 

I really wish it were possible to fly BoS from its first few months again just to get a better feel for all the improvements. I think most of us forget quickly where we were and how far we've come. Honestly, I can't really imagine what will be a year from now. The money I spent on both pre-orders has been money well spent, IMO. Bring on the next theater, I'm ready to throw money at it.

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I GET MY DESTROYER TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Do I get the skin template too PLEASE!!!!!!  please!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!     :biggrin:;):salute::cool:

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I don't think so. Of course, very few pilots will be able to handle it in combat but the 110E is mean to be a ground attack plane and it gives you much better chances to survive than in the Stuka in this task

If you meet Il2 or Pe-2 you can attack them. If you are in the Stuka, they will attack you ;)

 

This plane is long time awaited among ground attacker on blue side

IRL, it was the Stuka but not in online games

 

This.

 

I think interest might plummet in the -110 was a fighter-fighter but that's expected. From what I see the great majority is begging for it not for XVIII century gun duels with MiG-3 pilots but to go and break stuff on the ground while being much more survivable than the Stuka (kind of like the Peshka), and wrecking tough nuts like the Il-2s attacking their ground units.

 

For that it will be a blast to fly. I personally hate flying heavy fighters (no, not like the Lavochkin, that's my kind of heavy fighter :biggrin:), but I commend those who do it properly.

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I GET MY DESTROYER TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Do I get the skin template too PLEASE!!!!!!  please!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!     :biggrin:;):salute::cool:

 

No, mate... It goes to beta testing (still internal) tomorrow.

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I don't think so. Of course, very few pilots will be able to handle it in combat but the 110E is mean to be a ground attack plane and it gives you much better chances to survive than in the Stuka in this task

If you meet Il2 or Pe-2 you can attack them. If you are in the Stuka, they will attack you ;)

 

This plane is long time awaited among ground attacker on blue side

IRL, it was the Stuka but not in online games

 

 

I wish you well. 

 

And hey, who really knows, right. If you can jack-up enough fighter cover you may be okay - particularly if you can also get enough people in 110s together to saturate the target area and provide some measure of mutual support.  However, if that turns out not to be the case, I suspect the Yaks are going to eat you alive.  

 

Anyway, best of luck chap.............. :unsure:

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As they said in one of the FAQ's, if all goes well for BOM, we will definitely will be seeing another Theatre, just don't know which. :)

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the Me 410 was very effective in the roles it was supposed to fulfill 

 

Being shot down by Allied fighters? 

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[Remembering the good old times]

 

Way way back, around 2000, I was still playing the old Warbirds 2.01 on the long-gone german server. I vidily remember an evening where six of us in Fw 190s were flying above a gaggle of Spits trying to shoot down a lonely Bf 110 G-2. Imagine our surprise and disbelief when the 110 started to dispatch one Spit after the other, in the end he got six of them, three others were picked off his tail by one of us. Went back to base without a kill in that sortie but had to pick up my jaw from the cockpit floor. :o:

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Very nice video, the cockpit looks really wll made (like in Cliffs). Really can't wait till ed of November to see how it's like ingame :)

 

First thing I'd probably do is making a quick mission against a bunch of Ishaks wearing a JG.5 "Dackelgeschwader" skin with their awesome emblem:

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mate you really need to learn the meaning of irony...but in all honesty. the Me 410 was very effective in the roles it was supposed to fulfill 

Slight offtopic, the 410 had a bad start (worse if you count the failure of Me 210 and 310) because of overengineering. It had bad aerodynamics and a very low power to weight ratio in it's inital development stages making it a dangerous aircraft to fly. When those thing were sorted out in late 1942/1943 the need for a replacement of the "Zerstörer" was no more (the availabel Bf110 have been upgraded to match the requirements quite well). In the end you can say that as a project the 410 indeed failed. As an aircraft it had about the same qualities as the Bf110G overshadowed by it's overengineering.

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As they said in one of the FAQ's, if all goes well for BOM, we will definitely will be seeing another Theatre, just don't know which. :)

 

They already choose the next Theatre or what comes next is already known. :biggrin:  Your Question is already answered if all goes well for BoS, we will definitely seeing another Theatre, will be BoM. It goes well for BoS thats why we see BoM. And this mean that the next theatre will come. BoM is already funded same like BoS was. The next theatre will be,too

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1941 on Eastern front was fought by many "obsolete" designs.They served their purpose.Because at the and it is that "last regiment" you throw into battle to win the fight.Both sides of conflict threw everything available into combat.From recent designs to prewar biplanes.Each machine that could take off and take some explosives to the enemy was good enough to take part.

 Bf-110 did good job as ground attack plane alongside with stukas.Deeds of SKG 210 are well known and lots of panzer commanders can thank them to save their arses out of trouble.Same as ishak did its honour duty to stand and fight untill more advanced designs could be pushed thru ever increasing production of evacuated aviation industry plants of Soviet Union.

Personally,I would rather be in 110 then stuka,as my chances for survival are higher and the plane is much more versatile.I think LW groundpounders will be pleased with this edition and online dogfight furballs could change at least a bit towards more historical reenactments.

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It doesn't matter what you are flying... if you are stooging about on your own without mutual protection, without sound team tactics that have been practiced over and over, you are just asking to be 'bounced' and killed...

 

As someone has stated. If you are with a flight of 110's giving each other mutual cover (visual as well as weapon cover) you may get away with it if you meet a fighter.

 

When flying a 110 in other sims, I have never attacked a fighter unless I have a good height advantage, plus he is not aware of my presence. 

Other than that I vacate the immediate area at once.

 

Am I looking forward to flying the 110 in this game?... you bet.

It's for the same reason I enjoy flying the IL2... it's for the ground attack capability, plus the added danger of avoiding/encountering enemy fighters, completing my objectives and returning to my home airfield alive.

 

Carrying out interception tasks against enemy bombers/ground attack aircraft would be very rewarding I suspect as well... but just as important is that fighter cover to watch over 'you' , as the days of the twin engined 'heavy fighter' in a pure fighter role were pretty much gone by this stage of the war.

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Very nice video, the cockpit looks really wll made (like in Cliffs). Really can't wait till ed of November to see how it's like ingame :)

 

First thing I'd probably do is making a quick mission against a bunch of Ishaks wearing a JG.5 "Dackelgeschwader" skin with their awesome emblem:

k649kpk4.png

 

 

Slight offtopic, the 410 had a bad start (worse if you count the failure of Me 210 and 310) because of overengineering. It had bad aerodynamics and a very low power to weight ratio in it's inital development stages making it a dangerous aircraft to fly. When those thing were sorted out in late 1942/1943 the need for a replacement of the "Zerstörer" was no more (the availabel Bf110 have been upgraded to match the requirements quite well). In the end you can say that as a project the 410 indeed failed. As an aircraft it had about the same qualities as the Bf110G overshadowed by it's overengineering.

 

 

I had a little Dachshund once.  Fantastic little dog. And yes, I accept that referencing that fact is just a little OT.

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I think LW groundpounders will be pleased with this edition and online dogfight furballs could change at least a bit towards more historical reenactments.

 

Not gonna happen. The Stuka was the predominant ground-pounder in the earlier years of the war, not some fighter-bombers. But given the overinfestation of online with fighters there's absolutely no way of more "historical reenactment", anyway. You shouldn't be looking for that outside of tightly controlled events or scenarios.

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Not gonna happen. The Stuka was the predominant ground-pounder in the earlier years of the war, not some fighter-bombers. But given the overinfestation of online with fighters there's absolutely no way of more "historical reenactment", anyway. You shouldn't be looking for that outside of tightly controlled events or scenarios.

Thats why I wrote "at least a bit" . Ofcourse it will not be that "giant leap for mankind Neil Armstrong thing"  ;)

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About at the end of the Battle of Britan the Luftwaffe reviewed the 110s casualties as an escort fighter and seeked for giving the different tasks. It was incapeable of dive bombing but showed good results as a night fighter and assault plane ("Schlachtflugzeug"). While not replacing the Stukas on the eastern front it was a good (and nessecary) addition to the Luftwaffe's fleet. Unlike divebombers Schlachtflugzeuge are more versatile and can chose to attack different targets at once instead of one target pinpoint accurately.

 

They even served alongside the later introduced Hs-129, which slowly took over as the primary assault plane.

 

Depending on what kind of unlocks it will be given it will be a very versatile and fairly quick assault aircraft. Potentially those could include sd-2 bomb racks, gun pods (Mk.101. MG151, MG17) and the long range fuel container "Dackelbauch".

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I'm reading Rudel's book right now and just don't get how he could have survived the war in a Stuka. He mentions having to force land something like 30 times, but I think he said only once was he shot down by fighters. He describes sometimes going out with fellow Stukas as escorts, in fact my impression is that they were frequently left to fend for themselves, and,in post-Stalingrad Eastern Front action, that sounds decidedly hairy.

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As they said in one of the FAQ's, if all goes well for BOM, we will definitely will be seeing another Theatre, just don't know which. :)

 

I do....

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What would be considered the better aircraft, this or the PE2? I suspect the 110, but I have no idea.

 

Mick. :)

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I do....

 

 

Ok... I'll bite, seeing as you have now told everyone and his dog that you know... so give  :megaphone:

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What would be considered the better aircraft, this or the PE2? I suspect the 110, but I have no idea.

 

Mick. :)

 

I think the differences between them make them incomparable, even if they can share the attack task. The Bf-110 is a slow fighter that can do attack, while the Pe-2 is a fast bomber that can do attack too.

 

In terms of 'shturmovik' attack, if to call it that, the Bf-110 has a good advantage due to its frontal armament. That means it can strafe soft targets efficiently. Their total bomb load is similar (1,400kg for the Bf-110, 1,600kg for the Pe-2 approximately) so not much of an advantage to anyone here

 

However, the Pe-2 was an excellent level and dive bomber, tasks the Bf-110 cannot perform by itself (it is possible to, say, get a Heinkel or Ju-88 to lead a big group of Bf-110s and coordinate the bomb release through the bombsight, turning the Bf-110s into escorts once the bombs are gone, but that is another story).

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I'm reading Rudel's book right now and just don't get how he could have survived the war in a Stuka. He mentions having to force land something like 30 times, but I think he said only once was he shot down by fighters. He describes sometimes going out with fellow Stukas as escorts, in fact my impression is that they were frequently left to fend for themselves, and,in post-Stalingrad Eastern Front action, that sounds decidedly hairy.

 

 

It would be interesting to see the stats for Stuka crews in heavily contested sectors on the Eastern Front.  I suspect casualty rates would have be up around 80-90%.  Guys like Rudel are only really interesting because they are so exceptional.  For most it wouldn't have been a case of if you were going to be killed but when.  All the propaganda and wishful thinking aside; unescorted Stukas would have no chance at all against competently flown enemy single seaters.  Being posted to a Stuka squadron would be as good as a death sentence.    People who fail to grasp this (and there are lots of them) have at best, a tentative grip on reality.    

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I think the differences between them make them incomparable, even if they can share the attack task. The Bf-110 is a slow fighter that can do attack, while the Pe-2 is a fast bomber that can do attack too.

 

In terms of 'shturmovik' attack, if to call it that, the Bf-110 has a good advantage due to its frontal armament. That means it can strafe soft targets efficiently. Their total bomb load is similar (1,400kg for the Bf-110, 1,600kg for the Pe-2 approximately) so not much of an advantage to anyone here

 

However, the Pe-2 was an excellent level and dive bomber, tasks the Bf-110 cannot perform by itself (it is possible to, say, get a Heinkel or Ju-88 to lead a big group of Bf-110s and coordinate the bomb release through the bombsight, turning the Bf-110s into escorts once the bombs are gone, but that is another story).

Appreciate the info M8.

 

Mick :)

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They already choose the next Theatre or what comes next is already known. :biggrin:  

 

No, they have not, so quit spreading false information. 

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